DELTA 767 TEXTBOOK Engine Failure on Takeoff - Prague/JFK
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I liked the Czech ATC not bothering the pilots with "say intentions when possible" and "do you want to turn now or later" and other pointless chatter while the pilots were dealing with the engine failure checklist. They just answered "okay" when Delta announced they'll keep flying direction and will contact ATC later. ATC needs to clear the airspace and runways anyway, regardless of what Delta says or doesn't say. And ATC needs to keep the pilots clear of constantly being interrupted by ATC. "Air France vacate runway at Charlie" was also minimal, not jamming the frequency with "Air France do you want to return to the gate", which will always be replied by "need to call company first". Everyone knows that the airport is essentially closed for some time. Unimportant crap must be dealt with later, not in the first minutes.
Well put. Is there a difference between countries on how ATC communicate with pilots?
Roger dodger !
@@KeithStewart-zn8mg sometimes I get the impression that some ATC in the US just go through a script and ask questions which the pilots already answered in advance or which don't make sense at that point in time, just causing distraction to anyone who has to listen on tower frequency.
Indeed, it was a very good job by the ATC, too!👍
It's because they told them they'll call them back.
There were actually three first officers up front on this one along with the Captain, of course. All three FO's are instructors. Awesome people and pilots. I've flown with several of them. So glad this worked out.
The folks in the training department should be happy!
Do you know Cody?
Sounds like a lot of cooks in the kitchen!
@@jimmyoverly3512 long haul augmented crew.
@@jimmyoverly3512standard procedure for long haul flights. All crew in the cockpit for TO and landing. I can guarantee you that those in the jumpseat didn't want to mess things up for the folks at the controls. All aircraft procedures are designed for standard crew, and any pilot in the jumpseat knows they will only intervene (and concisely) if somehow the ones up front missed something. Kudos to the crew for getting this one back down in an apparently safe and correct manner!!
This Delta crew was well prepared for this B767 emergency. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Excellent work Delta pilots. Congrats.
Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.
They aren't called Delta Professional Pilots for 'nuthin.
I love it when Juan is able to cover an aircraft incident handled properly with no loss of life.
Delta has always been one of favorite airlines 👍👩🏻✈️🇺🇸
Bingo! Came for the cliché, not disappointed.
My grandfather was wounded in Italy in WWII by a German grenade with shrapnel to his back and was shot through his wrist. The scariest thing he said about the whole experience was his first and only plane ride back on a C-47 transport to the rear to be operaated on.He was hearing the engine on one side of the plane backfire before take off,no sooner than the wheels left the runway it statred to spit and sputter causing the plane to yaw back and forth as the engine was catching then the engine quit! He said that the plane yawed so severly that when it quit that he was praying and scared for his life! He was in the 91st infantry Divison. Miss you Grandpa!
Those old WWll stories are amazing. Luckily he lived to tell about it. 🙏
"No messin around with holding patterns, dumping fuel or getting all wrapped around the axle with the checklist" Right awn Juan! 😅
Another example of training training, training. Then more training. 😊
God bless ALL the pilots out there. Keep the blue side up and THANK YOU!
Thanks for the video and explanation of what occurred Juan. My wife and I were inbound on a Lufthansa flight from Munich when this happened. Our quick thinking LH Captain made the decision to divert immediately to Dresden where we were first on the fuel truck and first out when Prague reopened. Great work by the Delta crew and full credit to the LH skipper for his great decision.
Jaun your special. Due to medical costs you’re my only Patreon. Your channel is one I would never cancel. An old Luscombe pilot. A 65 hp and an 85 hp. The Luscombe will keep your stick and rudder skills proficient.
Thanks for your support drenk!
I've said it before, I'll say it again... THANK YOUR PILOTS! There was no WTF?!?, There was no panic, there was just pure professionalism.
I’m a mechanic for a major airline. 33 years. Love your videos. Always aim for safety.
Incidents where there is loss of life or equipment are the ones that make the news, but as an aspiring private pilot, I find the emergencies where the crew manages the emergency successfully so much more enlightening. "In an emergency you will not rise the the occasion, you will fall back on your training."
Blanco should populate more of his content with emergencies-well-handled.
That quote is absolutely true. Another good quote is “Average people train until they get it right. Champions train until they can’t get it wrong”.
You've made a very insightful observation. Indeed, emergencies that are handled successfully by flight crews often don't make headline news, but they are valuable learning experiences for both aspiring and experienced pilots.
In tactical training we were taught that when put in a stressful situation (not even life threatening) you will default to your lowest level of training. It's just how our monkey brains work when faced with danger.
@PRC533 People with Alzheimers will remember "overlearned" things. It explains how Glen Campbell, when barely able to form a sentence and not recognizing the people around him, played and sang "Wichita Lineman" perfectly.
The complex series of actions required to do that were embedded deeper in memory than his family members' names.
A performance that brought tears to my eyes.
Good to know that the second engine on an airliner is just there for aesthetic symmetry, LOL.
Great video as usual, very informative.
As always thank you for taking us through this event offering descriptions that are understandable for those of us that are not pilots. As I watched this questions kept coming to mind and you answered them all. I always leave your videos knowing a little more about the world of aviation. Thank you.
I’m in aircraft qualification at Delta right now and all I can say is: LIKE WHAT! They do it Very Well here I love it.
Nice work. I especially like the part where ATC stood by when the pilot declared an emergency. Didn’t ask ten thousand questions immediately while the crew is trying to clean it up.
The professionalism these flight crews demonstrate is impeccable. Great job in landing this aircraft safely.
Thanks for addressing the “turning into the dead engine” aspect, great video and great analysis! This is a great camera angle, nice that it tells who’s up next, where they’re going, etc.
This was indeed the positive example how to handle an Engine Failure. We probably all still know the negative example from Transair Flight 810, about which Juan made a teaching video series.
Also very thankfully that Prague Airport offers such good video footage!
And not to forget: A very Beautiful Blue Moon!💙💙💙🌚
My good friend Cody D. is a Delta 767 f/o international training pilot and he knows these guys...he said there were two (or 3) instructor pilots on the flight deck and acknowledged this to be a test book engine failure to a safe return!
THE page to come to for aircraft incidents. Juan always explains with empathy
Juan, it's good to see and hear you're still making great videos! Perfect analysis.
Excellent commentary JB. This seems very routine despite its rarity in ones career....Good use of CRM and emergency management to make it all seemless.
Thanks
That was an awesome display of procedures CRM and coolness under pressure. That’s what I was taught early and used in a recent type rating course. My partner and I would do the same thing pretty much and then communicate
THIS is why I love this channel! You explain it so clearly. A good teaching moment.
Well done Delta crew!
As always, stellar coverage and information.
I'm not a pilot,, just always been fascinated with such a robust Heavy piece of equipment gliding through the air. absolutely fascinating to me... and commentator
Definitely explains with utmost professionalism
Never realized how much smoke a compressor stall puts out. Incredible video.
Jet fuel is very similar to diesel. During the compressor stall the air stops and is no longer pushed back inside of the engine. The fuel flow is still the same, so in the buring chamber the amount of air is greatly reduced while the fuel is still the same resulting in incomplete combustion and black smoke. Note this is only valid for the very first moment as I'm pretty sure that the Fadec will reduce the fuel flow as soon as it detects the compressor stall.
@@guntherberger596it’s the crew pulling the thrust lever to idle on the dead engine, not fadec.
As well, there is usually a belch of flame out of the tailpipe, and sometimes out of the nose cowl if it is stator vanes that have caused to airflo stall.@@guntherberger596
Fascinating textbook demo of engine failure on takeoff and perfect handling with good outcome. Great video Juan.
Wow the smoke provides a pretty great example of those vortexes that follow the jets as you have mentioned in other videos
Splendid walk-through. Added "wrapped around the axle" to my lexicon.
We had a CF-6 on a 767 come apart on the high power run right after an engine change. The engine was fresh out of overhaul and it just blew caught fire and the aircraft was a total loss. FLY NAVY!!!
I love your commentary on Airline problems in flight. Your first hand knowledge makes me feel a little safer when I fly. I used to take Hawaiian Airlines from Sac to Honolulu and they flew the 767's! I always wondered what would happen if one of the engines went out! Now I know!
It's amazing how pilots can sound like they are talking on the phone during an emergency. I remember the calm, matter-of-fact tone with Sully, and these pilots acted like this was just another day at the office. As passengers we thank the pilots for getting us safely from point A to point B. I guess pilots thank the inventors of the Flight Simulator.
Was going to ask about the direction of the turn, but you explained well the difference between jet and propeller planes. Thanks
Nice work Delta! Great vid Juan. As always great analysis. Tower should also be commended for not bugging the crap outta these guys. Looks like it wasn’t too busy. 22 minutes in the air. Those pilots were busy!
As always, very nice presentation Blancolirio.
I found it very interesting to see the wing tip vertex from the engine smoke just prior to engine shutdown.
Such events put tears in my eyes. Thank you.
@blancolirio--- I just get very emotional when professionalism of pilots, 1000s hours of training, efforts engineered into aircraft redundancy, tower work and a tiny bit of luck work out at the same time. As well as many other contributions I am not aware of.
All in the age when we take so many things for granted when in reality it is a result of dedication and often under appreciated sacrifices of many.
@blancolirio--- and thank you again for showing behind the scenes of such events.
There is a missing info that 767s had an optional fuel dumper factory option - that is not installed, as it is able to land with full take-off weight, which is an important feature to make such simple 20-minute landing in single circle.
Once again excellent analysis on pilotage, that crew did everything right. Thanks Juan.
Ahhhh.... What a joy to see priority management in action! As an checker, I *[We!] pushed A-N-C hard for decades. Great to see a demonstration of How-its-Done!
Kudos as well to ATC for their discipline and professionalism.
*Disclaimer: my Air Force [USAF exchange] Instructor - and Vietnam F4 hand - first enlightened a bumbling me to the concept of just flying the aircraft first, figuring trajectory and then talking to ATC. He had some other gems, like "When something goes BANG[!]: Wind the clock. You're still alive; winding will stop you doing something really silly, and give you the GMT time for the incident report.
My favourite is still Speed/Altitude/Ideas : pick two! --- the Delta Crew seem to have done all 3 out of Three.
Awesome work by the crew and ground control. This is the the best kind of video to see!
Juan, great video and you do an awesome job covering the latest incidents, nice use of available media. The Delta procedure was to hand fly to level off then engage the auto pilot. Also allowed to red line the operating engine if necessary. In he simulator training never were allowed to fly a single engine approach using auto pilot but told it was capable. I bet after years of training you could fly his in your sleep.
I saw a video of this from a plane spotter. He had the tower frequency on as well. Was cool.
That seals it. Next trip to Europe it'll be into and out of Prague.
Really impressed by how ATC dealt with this abnormality.
Thanks for what you do, Juan. I appreciate your concise explanations and great attitude.
You got a starbucks gift card for an event that probably woke you up more than any coffee ever could.
Thanks for the @agentjayz (or zed 😂) shoutout @blancolirio. Jay and I developed a friendship over our love for turbine engines (I’m at PW). He is a great resource and I only put of few of you in that category 😂. Fly safe JB
Hello aviators from New Zealand 🇳🇿
Doing this on Piper Seminole for my multi. The physics is the same, but so much more impressive when it's a airliner
I like the smoky style. Reminds me on the old days with Starfighters and Phantoms in the german skies... 😬
I had an engine failure on a turbo prop, didn’t even get a “well done”… would’ve loved a gift card!!! 😂
A great outcome for all concerned,true professionalism mate,safe flying,👋👋👏👏👍🇦🇺
Makes me even happier when flying remembering the proud professionals making this magic possible
When you said unlike helicopters the recent helicopter engine fire upsets me that it wasn't immediately landed at the cost of human life.
Great job Juan. Thanks for explaining the situation so well!
Great job on reporting when the system works wish it happened more often.
Incredible how much power a single engine must have to carry on hauling a fully loaded 767 into the air. Impressive stuff!
Yes, these high output turbines are the reason we are seeing the dominance of the twin jet.
Nice video and commentary Juan! Great job Gentleman;to the flight crew!👍🏽🇺🇸
Fly the plane. Never forget this. Great job of doing just that.
My favourite aviation safety channel !
As always a great informed presentation Juan Browne! Sydney Australia
Nice job air crew!👍🏻
You haven't watched it yet?
It really is amazing the plane can climb out fully loaded on one. The crosswind adds some fun too! Would the number 1 out make it more difficult?
Great job guy’s!
The $20 gift card was funny 😄
No. Unlike a propeller plane, there is no “critical engine” on a jet.
Great reporting, glad it was a safe outcome.
Thanks for your valuable debriefs.
An engine failure early during an RNP departure of runway 05 in Queenstown, New Zealand gets a little busy. Anyone with access to the charts for Queenstown can see that it is what’s termed a “ terrain rich environment”.
Juan - DEC 1978 over Marietta GA, flyin' along towards ATL in TriStar, w/ah...well 3 engines. #1 outta gas so had 2 left, #3 out of gas leaving middle motor...which ran out giving us...middle, well you know...so ID'd ourselves as Delta Glider Flight powered by RAT. Controller said #1 on any runway except one under re-construction! Capt set her down on foote, full brakes, kidde-cornered RT on 1st cutoff towards terminal, full brakes, LT on Taxiway, full brakes all the way even across AMR Apron, button-hook to RT, pulled into vacant Gate, known as "Our Gate"! It was night, so no wind, no RAT, Bat Trees flat, no lights, so Fire-Rescue having been scatted off Taxiway when found out we'd be usin' it, then paced back & forth on Taxiway not finding crashed TriStar, a big item to lose. Tower finally advised we were guests of AMR who had put out the tire fires, so Fire/Rescue & Medical to return to Ready Stations. These Delta & ATL folks really know what they're do'in, so fly on Delta liners, hope they put more than 10 bucks in 'er, and relax...
I live in Prague, and that night I met a friend that was on that plane. She needed a drink to relax after the incident! 😀
. . . and so did the crew!
ty, jb...great to watch this one
So you answered my question Juan , you can turn towards the dead engine IF you know what you are doing. Is'nt it good to see crew & ATC just get it back on the ground without any hysterics and I bet half the passengers did'nt even know why they were back in Prague.
Your content is always compelling Juan - and much appreciated
Thanks 432!
Going over the pond, would this flight have a relief crew in the cockpit during Take Off?
Great job! Shout out to the Flight Crew ❤
DELTA stands for Doesnt Ever Leave Terminal Area.
I swear I could smell burned jet fuel on the takeoff roll 😂 Great report Juan!
Juan , you are the university lecturer I never had!!
Excellent, Juan! Thank you. I'm curious, why did they have Air France vacate the runway? Why not just let them take off? It was 20 minutes. Do they automatically assume the problem might have been due to FOD, or bird strike?
I think the concern is that they may have experienced FOD, but also, if they sprayed parts on the runway, you sure don't want to run thru them.
I mean, NO ONE knew, at the point, what REALLY happened.
To inspect the runway, in case metal fell off from failing engine.
Or you could be like the Concorde that crashed due to FOD.
is the answer to this not obvious.......? I guess you clearly aren't a pilot.
@@KuostA Oh, my bad. Is this channel only to be watched by pilots? Pardon my sarcasm here, man. My mommy always told me there are no stupid questions. Thanks for being understanding.
Thanks for sharing, when was this video captured?
The motto in my company was “Enjoy your failure”. The reason was that engine failures are so rare you are most unlikely to have two in a career.
Thanks for showing us that, that was a good job of controlling the aircraft.
I live in Prague and not far from the airport, so I'm glad to see the happy ending of this. One question: Our airport is in the need of the second runway and there's a plan to build one, but there's also a pussback from all sorts of activists and environmentalists. I'm just wondering, in these cases when the aeroplane needs to return immediately, wouldn't it be better and safer if the airport indeed had two parallel runways? I'm not a pilot, but I can imagine what a complication it could be if the Air France plane behind the Delta plane also had some sort of trouble. And an additional question for active pilots: How is Prague airport in general?
Thank you and greetings from Europe!
As a retired AA B777 Captain, my only critic of this crew is they didn't say "mayday, mayday, mayday!" on their initial call back to the tower. Doing that one simple call was really drilled into us my last 5 years or so, especially when operating in an environment where the controllers primary language is probably not English.
I shared this with a close friend, who is an AA retired B787 Captain and now an instructor pilot at DL. He said they don't emphasize the mayday like we did at AA.
OK....
I agree. A job well done, without a doubt. But it dumbfounds me as a foreign observer to think that a highly capable and well-trained crew like these guys would not use “Mayday Mayday Mayday” in a part of the world where English is not the first language. Furthermore, this airspace is full of English-as-second-language pilots who may not understand the significance of an emergency call like “Houston, we have a problem” but their ears perk up and the adrenalin starts flowing when they hear Mayday or Pan-Pan. But it’s not their fault, it’s how they are trained.
maybe EMERGENCY ENGINE FAILURE Aircraft's easily understood. Mayday Mayday Mayday is a lot of useless verbiage left over from a bygone era.@@neilthompson6713
@-blancolirio_- mayday, mayday, mayday. 'Nuf said.
I will ask my cousin who is a Captain for Delta if he's ever had an engine failure. Considering that he flew C-141s, I bet he has some stories.
Will have to start calling you an Aussie, your always welcome 🇦🇺
Thanks Juan!
Juan, the consummate professional
I am puzzled. Prag to JFK they must have had full tanks. How could they turn around and land without fuel dump? Is that aircraft specific? Can some landing gears take the full take off weight and others have to dump to reach the max landing weight?
Yes, 767 can land even with maximum weight.
Training is the Key.
As usual, excellent explanation.
I remember watching a birdstrike at Manchester resulting in engine failure where the aircraft called MAYDAY. You've described this as textbook, is 'Emergency aircraft engine fail' sufficient to be understood globally?
Our Chief Pilot met me right outside of clearing customs after bringing back a sick airplane, shook my hand (passing me a $100 bill during the handshake) and said: "Good job. Go home. Now." at 0300 one morning...
I wish Juan was at delta. Thats the only airline I will fly.
Thank you Juan.
Once again, great video😊
Did you watch all of it?
They must have returned and performed an overweight landing. No mention of them dumping fuel and I’m sure they must’ve been heavy. I don’t think the 767 has the ability to dump fuel. Or is that safety feature something that was added to the 300 series? I am referencing the Air Canada 767 out of Madrid, which spent hours burning off fuel before they could land.
Should they follow EOSID procedure?
I shouldn’t be watch these while I’m in Italy. Gotta get home yet.😮
recommend some kind of real time cam system be created for aircraft safety that the pilot in command in cockpit be able to view immediately the entire aircraft bar none both outside inside and all via a simple video screen in cockpit so they can assess whatever is happening to aircraft during emergency aside of and with current aircraft performance sensors as of now. maybe something just a suggestion.
Nice analysis by Juan (as usual). Only question I have is why was there no fuel dumping before the aircraft could land again. How was the aircraft able to land with just 20 mins of fuel exhausted?
Just because a plane takes off doesnt mean its tanks are full. They only load the fuel needed for the trip plus some for safety.
This was a flight from Prague to JFK. The Flying distance between Prague and JFK is 4090 miles and flight duration is approx 8.5 hours
On a 767, would this not require a fuel loading above the landing weight limit?
@-blancolirio_- is this a spam account? I see hypen and underscore which looks like a copy or a spam.
Thank you
does the "deal with the engine after 4000ft" apply in the jets which have tail mounted engines? say an Embraer, or even the occasional still operational MD80
also, does the modern autopilot have a single engine mode?