Does Kostas Sloukas Make PAO A Final Four Team?
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- Kostas Sloukas to Panathinaikos is the Euroleague market move of a decade. Ergin Ataman continues to shake things in Athens as PAO’s rebuild process goes on.
In this video, BasketNews Augustas Suliauskas analyzes why pairing Kostas Sloukas and Matthias Lessort is ideal, what problems his backcourt with Luca Vildoza might have and looks at how the Greens should finish out the roster puzzle.
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Green brothers, as a Žalgiris fan I wish your team good luck in the next season! Go green power to the Final 4 Glory! 💚💚💚☘️☘️☘️
Thank you my friend ☘️👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks brothers forever💚🤍
Best stadium in Europe and thanks for providing us with Saras!
Greens forever! 💚☘️
@@GoatJames7K Žalgirio arena?
Happy for PAO and PAO fans! good luck !
We need clubs with actual fan bases and tradition to succeed
For EuroLeague and European market in general, that's a great thing
Not only final four team but a championship team 😏
Coach Ataman is a winner, Sloukas is a winner too. Pao needs a winner mentality which didn't have the last years.
As a Greek basketball lover, I wish both our teams strenghten up.
ataman, with the best roster, didnt even finish 10th and lost to many weak teams like alba. He won it twice, what makes u think he is gonna do it again ?
Panathinaikow mentality is a winning team....he has 6 wins in 7 final-4 FINALS.....UNBREAKABLE STILL....WE ARE BACK💚☘☘☘☘☘☘
@@panosg.9689 HAHAHAHAHHAHAH Same story every year for 12 years now
@@DeletedMemoriezomg nice mindset man. So with ur mindset ataman won 2 out of 3 and the 4th was cancelled due to covid. Why do u think he isnt gonna do it. The odds show that he will. Hahahha .
@@DeletedMemoriezthink if we were good how much more champs we could have. Like 3-4 in those 12 years. U must feel lucky.
As a Panathinaikos fan I think that we definitely overpaid but pao at the start of the transfer window were forced essentially to overpay players because of their terrible last 3 seasons. But in general I am very happy with the transfers we have made so far
it was a neccesery "evil"....with a good season you dont need to ovrprise players again...we are going for the final-4 cup in 2 years tops...remember the day i told u💚☘6⭐PANATHINAIKOS B.C.-GATE 13
Great point. I'm glad you people understand this and hopefully it doesn't get forgotten if things go the wrong way in the future. It was basically a must-thing to do in my eyes
@@panosg.9689 Well, I remember the day you wrote this dont worry. I will be back for tease.
Terrible last 11 seasons
@@georgestamatakis697 YES....BUT AN EMPIRE IN EUROPE THE PREVIOUS 10 YEARS...NOW THE KING IS BACK!!!💚☘⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐☘
"Sloukas - Lessort" reminds me a bit of "Diamantidis - Batiste" pick and roll. 😳😳😳
Good ol' days
only if lessort use his ass to make screen
Even Calathes-Gist was unstoppable tbh
That is almost offensive. Sloukas and Diamantidis should not even be in the same sentence. I just did it and I hate myself for it.
@@MegasSalavatis I agree that Diamantidis was the best all around guard and Sloukas will never reach his legacy but that's why I said "it reminds me a bit". Sloukas-Lessort will never be on the same level with Diamantidis-Batise, but I see some potential in the new PAO roster and especially for the pick and roll plays.
There are many basketball fans in Turkey like me who will watch Greek basketball league and Panathinaikos matches this year. Good luck!
Itoudis-Papaggianis-Fenerbahce story just made it even more appealing haha
@@AugustasSuliauskasthere will be Itoudis-Ataman heat in Euroleague for sure.
Green giant has awaken 😎😎☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
fast forward 11 months, pao both euroleague and greek league champions! what a run!
As an Olympiakos fan, I am pessimistic about next year. We lost irreplaceable units and there are hardly any players with euroleague exp. The nba market can prove to be a huge risk.
On the other hand I am looking forward to seeing how PAO will be put together and having them as strong opponents again at last.
you might make a couple of american, greeks .again and u ll find solution...what can i say...pity for the nice basketball u played last year
It's really hard to replace Vezenkov and Sloukas. And with Olympiakos building their chemistry for the last 3 seasons, keeping more or less the same main players, just adding new rotation piece, that thing is also gone. So now 2-3 best players are going to be new and my concern is that those role players might not fit that well with the main guys. But that's only hypothetical, let's see who they get
@@AugustasSuliauskasi agree. Larentzakis lountzis and all the players tha are seen as b units must make the next step. If they play like this year oly must find near 40 points that he gonna miss this year with the departures
@@panosg.9689τιιτ σοκκ
@@panosg.9689ou said that?In 2016 your junkie owner ordered the change of the regulation for 4 foreign players in every Greek team in 6 so he can buy more players because at the time the best Greek players were in Olympiakos
You're a joke!
We don't need the trophy for this year, but the championship in Greece and just beating the reds...
That would be a great start. Rarely do newly assembled teams win Euroleague in the first year together. Some continuity and maybe in 2-3 years PAO really are back to being main contenders for the title
He made us a Euroleague winning team! ☘️🌟7️⃣
Kostas Sloukas is at least one half of a F4 ticket. This is the most promising Panathinaikos since Mr. Obradovic.
10 F4 appearances in 12 seasons is crazy
@@TheZG85 No doubt.
There was not much competition to say thus since after competition they were crap
Guess whos back?
The EMPEROR of European basketball ☘️☘️
u been saying that for 12 years😭
Calm down..
ανύπαρκτοι θα είστε πάλι
Αυτα πες τα μόλις πραγματικά κάνεις κάτι σε παιχνίδια μην ζεις στην παράνοια χαλάρωσε
@@johnnyxo98 Με τετοιον προεδρο, πως να μην εχουν γινει παρανοϊκοί
European Basketball needs its legendary team's...so its a great move no matter the cost
You mean CSKA?
Pao needs Mario hejonia for the 3/4 position..he would fit like a glove and papapetrou and matzoukas would come perfectcly from the bench to support ! Then a powerful 5 and I d also like for Matt Thomas to stay but I don't think it will happen ... everybody in Greece is saying he is out . Soo probably Napier would be a good addition because he has that good 3 point percentage or to take a little risk ..bitim the young Turk of Turk telecom
do you think that we r not going to buy a 2-3combo killer from the 3 points?4 transfers to close the roster...the 2 will be BIG!!!!if real leave Mario we ll take him in 5 minutes...or else a better one from NBA....DPG gone crazzy...love it...💚☘💥💥💥☘⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐☘
we have a lot combo players and 4 players to come....in 10 games we r going to be ready and see some great basketball from PAO FC i think....
G league is full of 6'6-6'8 players that can shoot, run and get rebounds, Real does not sell players.
PAO is back thats for sure.
7th star.. Loading ☘️
u been saying that since 2012
@@DeletedMemoriezso what? Is it against the law or what?
@@kostasdounias6418 Means that u cant win the euroleague after 12 years of having a horrible team in just one season that hasnt even started yet
And how are you so sure about that? Do you have a mage crystal ball? You can't back up your sayings as I can't back up mine, I'm just expressing my optimism and you are expressing your hate
@@kostasdounias6418 not expressing my hate. Ur comment legit makes no sense
What is important is not whether Kostas is overpaid. I do not care if PAO has offered him a big contract which he might have not deserved. Probably that was due to local politics between Oly and PAO. PAO physiologically got over Oly and probably the PAO supporters are walking in the air now. What is more important here is if Ataman, with the help of Kostas, could setup a team like Anadolu Efes and become an F4 contender. With two more sright bricks placed in the right holes, why not!
You will care that kostas is overpaid, when you realise that they will cut funds from other possible signings.
@@emmanouilgoulidakis7712 we dont have financial problems.
Important is to get the fan base excited and to slowly build up the team again from the ground. A lot of teams will be contending for the PO next season but I definitely see Panathinaikos in it
@@karasxaker3671 I don't buy the news about crazy offers to players, because even with 10 million they wouldn't sign for PAO. 4 million for Mirotic, 4 for Campazzo etc.
I see only the real moves and signings. You bought 2 guards without any euroleague experience and you struggle to find a 3, a 4 and a center. Because the market is dead and because you only look for big names. That's the think. Players from the nba rarely make it in eurolegaue from season 1. Expecially in teams who are completely new.
@@AugustasSuliauskas There are 10-11 conteders for the PO each year. All teams have luck. Who qualifies is decided by small details
Giannakopoulos said that Panathinaikos will buy 4 new players
losing streak of PAO against OLY is 14 games not 13 and 16-1 in the last 3 or so years
False. The streak was been going on for 1,5 years not 3. Pana won in the end of 2021 at sef with an incredible game of nemanja nedovic.
Did you manage to level Alvertis for Greek Championship or net yet? Final Four loosers
Only time will tell!! Hope for the best!!
I'm olympiacos but I must admit panathinaikos is definitely building an impressive team. On the other hand the CFO must be having nightmares (if there is one)
Very impressive so far. Eurocup level team for sure.
@@RedDefender77 Eurocup? You mean Final Four you St@pid?
@@Mike-jo4cc bro said f4 😭
Those Greek derbies will be different than the last couple of years. Full of great battles
@@AugustasSuliauskas They are a brand new team though
*Ataman’s fists in the air*
Our president said today that we will have 4 more transfers
Panathinaikos was always the legendary club with csska macabi real of course its the final four of all times these teams
PANATHINAIKOS FC my friend was the biggest empire since 1988...final-4 times....6 trophies and WE RE BACK...greetings from Gate 13...lol
When Pao gives 1.3 mil more than Olympiakos per year it's right to give kudos to his president not Ataman convincing methods.
Olympiakos lost a great player but a liability for his defence. Next year he's only getting better.
It's none of my concern how much Giannakopoulos payed for Sloukas or anyone in particular, I'm happy though he payed enough to sign Kostas and the rest of the guys, along with coach Ataman of course
it's not only Sloukas who give on Panathinaikos the power to reach on F4. Panathinaikos is building a strong team with all around players, players like Vildoza, Grant are players who can either start as a starter, or come off the bench and provide offensive solutions. Furthermore, Papapetrou and Mitoglou, are tall and good defenders, they can cover some defensive gaps that might be created by Slouka and Vildoza on the perimeter, as they can drop down and play playmaker defense. Finally, Panathinaikos will hit with another good regional player in the 2-3 position and with a Hezonia-type player in the 4-3. We are waiting to see who these players will be although for the 4-3 position the name of Hejonia is being heard a lot who is an excellent player for this particular team as it is currently built. They are waiting to see what will happen with Papagiannis, who will probably stay.
uff Hezonja now would be a great addition for that main SF spot. I think he's happy in Madrid, but who knows
@@AugustasSuliauskas he has a contract with Madrid, indeed, but, the talk is that he is not happy there and Real may let him go. We'll see how it unfolds...
how was sloukas not the main guy in OLY if he played exclusively in the 4th (and most important) quarter?
Not sure if this buy could be considering wakening the oponent (oly can find better player for the amount they wanted to pay to sloukas)
in theory everything sounds valid but there is much more in Basketball.
of course. only the court can tell us if it's gonna work out
2:08 14* games
Sloukas is a very overrated player. He doesn't deserve 2.7m per year. Last year at Olympiakos he was my black sheep. I'm Olympiakos-Fan and I'm happy that he left the club after a bad season. As i said a very overrated player.
You're an Olympiakos fan, so that means that your opinion is not objective and thus it cannot be taken seriously.
ahahahahahahahahahah 😂
Of course not ... sloukas playing 30 minutes will be injuries disaster
why you telling the world about colson? HE IS NOT FOR SALE!!!
its an overpaid for sloukas but you did not mention one think, dimitris giannakopoulos does all this to destroy olumpiakos and dimitris does not care about how much money he will pay. he wants also to win euroleague in max 3 years(this is why all players have 3 year contract). NICE VIDEO!!!
GOT SCARED?WE ARE BACK....💚☘6⭐🔥🔥🔥
@@panosg.9689 ετσιιιι💪💪
Thanks. I mentioned that maybe one of the things why he signed Sloukas is to make Olympiakos weaker at the same time
@@AugustasSuliauskas he was already left. if dimitris will sign dorsey olympiacos will be weaker or calathes
The wannabe Spanoulis who will never become anything of such magnitude.
Bartzokas didn't want him and set him free.
Also Sloukas has a complex and he couldn't stand being present at the upcoming ceremony of Vasilis Spanoulis in September.
Very dishonest player, had agreed with pao before the end of the greek finals and pretended to be sick during the 2nd game, to give a chance to pao to break the streak (14-0 at the time)
The streak was stopped because the refs as you remembered sent Walkup out with 2 technical faouls out of their ass. Later Vezenkov got injured and didn't finish that game. With all that, Mckissic lost the last shot and lost the game too. Could have won without them, but it was a night from the good old days when pao had the refs in their pocket.
The 27-2, 3rd quarter against Monaco, a thing of beauty, happened with him on the bench.
I only wish he hadn't taken the last shot in the final.
another flag for olympiakos team at their stadium:"we made 27-2 run against monaco".why not
Another flag?
Apart from being basketball idiots, you don't know English too.
Sloucash go take their money, yo!!!
@@RedDefender77 "you dont know english too" Yeah, take some grammar lessons please
@@giorgosglou86 Another flag for poa team in okana : We destroyed our stadium to avoid getting humiliated by a 50 point loss from our eternal nightmare
It's over Anakin. I have the high ground
The king of Europe,is back!!! Panathinaikos!!;
And so 2 weeks later Panathinaikos sings Hernagomez! What about this?
I never trully liked Sloukas in Olympiakos. I consider him overrated. Olympiakos was hungry for a new greek superstar and wished that Sloukas could finally evolve into that at some point. Olympiakos and the greek national team is still waiting for him (and sadly Pappas, which was the biggest talent of that team) to reach their full potential as envisioned in their U20 gold medal team in 2009. However, he never did evolve. Average and unreliable shooter, too much dribbling when holding the ball, too stagnant without the ball, and a huge liability on defence. I felt that he played more minutes than he deserved this year and it seemes he thinks he should play longer. The true star of Olympiakos was Coach Bartzokas and as long as they have him, they will be fine. No one thought Olympiakos would play so well the past 2 years or that Vezenkov would be MVP material when he left Barcelona.
Do you think hezonnja would be a great addition to the team?
Yes I do. Star'caliber player in the Euroleague, great size for SF position, can shoot, can post-up smaller guys, can play multiple positions. I'm hearing about Shengelia at the PF, wouldn't understand his fit in PAO
Panathinaikos, Real Madrid biggest clubs in Europe.
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Put Efes and CSKA there also.
Love y'all videos subd can i have the jokić jersey
No single player makes a team a contender
Remember my words….. Family>money
They will be at final 4 places of 18
Certainly overpaid,but was obliged to do something like this, as he wants to attract a serious number of season-tickets after 2-3 bad seasons.Dont forget that he is rulling now the OAKA and he needed an impresive and at the same time lucrative move.
I think the salary is more connected to the fact that Sloukas had to really consider the amount of hate he is going to receive, thus a bigger financial incentive might have made the decision easier to move to PAO. Also, the belief from PAO fans is back and it's great thing financially for the club as well
Rokas Giedraitis would be a very good option for Panathinaikos.
(I know he already signed with Zvezda, but) I like his shooting but would love more physicality and defense at the starting SF spot. With Sloukas and Vildoza you need someone who could cover holes in defense and be physical.
No.
Kostas Sloukas does not make PAO a Final 4 team.
The man who makes PAO a Final 4 team again is Željko Obradović.
It's that simple.
hahahaha
SLOUCASH
Where is the D though
PAO overpaid fpr Sloukas! If they do not make the playoffs they will be financially finished!
Panathinaikos is the king of european basketball and will domain again his throne!
They give like 0 money if you get to the play offs. You think our financial status depends on that?
@@jmatoo98 12 years without a f4
@@DeletedMemoriez Real madrid the team with the most Euroleague trophies waited 19 years to regain the throne!
PAO BC THE KING AND REAL MADRID THE QUEEN OF EU BASKETBALL.....
@@jmatoo98 No king with 16-1 loss streak, and 28 at 28' and broken official desks to avoid the ultimate humiliation. PAO is at best the clown of Euroleague.
EUR 2.7m net per year for 3-years for one of the top2 players of arguably the best performing team of last year (together contributed 58% of total points scored) can not be considered overpayment, especially when compared with the 3m that Thompson got from Efes (single high-performing EL season) and Exum was asking before going to the NBA (single high-performing EL season). Kostas will be 36 when the contract ends (not 37), and as you mentioned there are multiple benefits for PAO in this transfer, such as player's motivation to prove himself against his old coach (who's the main reason why he didn't renew with Olympiakos), leveraging Kostas ability on pick-n-roll (especially as he gets old and scoring will not be the main strength) with Lessort (new sign) and Papagiannis (potentially renewing), and making clear to agents that PAO project is serious. Among others, the transfer also solves issues with the number of local players in the domestic league, and lastly he would be the ideal mentor for the young generation of Greek players in the squad (Mantzoukas, Kostas Antetokounbo, Hugaz, Avdalas, Samodurov).
3.3 not 2.7 , there is a 600k gap
@@tsoyrekis5546 Check your numbers on gross vs net basis
@@ironmm most of the sources mention it exactly as i told you, the total transfer will cost 9,9m-10m and with the taxes and fees will get to 11-12m
@@tsoyrekis5546 interesting why my comments are deleted. anyway the most trusted paobc source (you know which) has reported 8m net.
If we take age out of this equation (and it could be that Sloukas at 36 is the same as right now at 33), then this money thing wouldn't even be discussed. Obviously, it's a possibility and people judge it based on that. However, 1 EL title in these 3 years and all of this money is forgotten in my eyes. Great points made by you - PAO are back and big names are starting to consider the team again
Pao fans will finally see some pick’n rolls after calathes left😅😅.Go green family☘️☘️
Ataman Sloukas 3 years ☘️.... Coming soon 👉7️⃣🌟
They wont make f4 this season probably and they definetly wont win el . Maybe next season but probably not
Lessort is more than good, but like in those clips he has tunnel vision.
people don’t get that you have to overpay if you want to rebuild
I like it its good for basketball greece that once was one of the best leagues of europe... panathinaikos need a stronger bench and a extra spot up shooter(one shot one kill). Extra defensieve (rebounding) player.
That fee is ridiculous.
Sloukas will be the last nail in the coffin of panathinaikos,unfortunately this player will destroy the team.
such an accurate foresight 😂
@@ersindemir6240 is it over?
@@_DNA. I mean they won the Euroleague with Kostas being the MVP, then they also became the champions of Greece with an amazing comeback, Kostas playing excellent again😁
@@ersindemir6240 He has a 3 year contract,nobody denies Sloukas is a great player but in the first inconvenience he will destroy PAO.
@@_DNA. from 17th place to euroleague and greek champions with mpv performances. How will he destroy PAO specifically?
Final Four maybe. Final eight for sure.
Thomas has already been released from PAO
See you in a week making a new video about Partizan. Core of the team will be Punter, Leday, Mirotic. PG position will detonate huge bomb, probably Dragic, but don't sleep on Dante returning to Partizan as he didn't sign with Mavs yet and he is free player from 6th july. Also, Partizan will sign starting C until the end of july, with Smailagic beeing backup (or even starter). Smailagic is the ONLY stretch 5 in the Euroleague so it gives team a lot of versatility. With Zeljko on the bench, I wouldn't be surprised if Partizan makes it to F4
Waiting for Mirotic to Partizan to become official!
Great review. Panathinaikos is getting also 4 players more. So we ll waiting patiently..
Thank you! Kyle Guy is a great addition, surprised that Papaggianis left. Will be interesting to see which shooting big Ataman can find
@basketnews if PAO signs a SF and a PF, with Papapetrou and Mitoglou also on the roster, there will be no room for growth for the young talent Mantzoukas. How would you manage this problem?
Euroleague teams rarely finds space for young talents to grow. Mantzoukas is promising, but I doubt PAO finds him considerable minutes with the only goal of winning now
Only Obra can make PAO a final four team
Get over that Obra hype. He could not even get Partizan to F4 from 2-0. His team lost 3 games in succession.
@@codingstyle9480without two best players and shorter roster. If they didn't get suspended we would win Euroleauge
@@codingstyle9480 are u serious!? What are u talking about!? He brought the so far in the first Year, with so many youbg Talents, and they played the best Basketball with Oly last Year !!!? Dafuck was u watching!? PingPong!? Dont you know why and how theyve lost it!?!?!? 🙆🤦
@@djakela4124 i dont know if u would win the euroleague but u would definitely be in the final
@@DeletedMemoriez they already demolished oly
Panathinaikos fan here! Yes we overpaid Sloukas but 1st is the best Greek PG right now and 2nd we gonna overpaid almost for all the players we gonna get this year. And if we can reach at least on Play offs we will be ok because the recent year of the team were hard! I dont think we can go to F4 this year but the next one.
It's definitely hard reaching playoffs the 1st year but let's see the remaining 3 additions. I wanted Matt Thomas to be back but Kyle Guy is an even greater signing in my eyes. Has more upside to grow as a player
the most expensive 2nd unit player in euroleague...
we all know he was the one closing games for Olympiakos, it was only a choice of Bartzokas to play him that way (which wasn't a bad choice in itself). only maybe the flexibility to mix it up a bit was missing, but that's only my opinion
As a pao fan I don't like sloukas. He. Is not a leader like diamantidis or sarunas.
Tell me if any player like them exists in Europe anywhere. You should be content with what you have currently who could mimic the best of the past.
Απιστευτη λογικη.Μαλλον προτιμας Μποχωριδη εσυ
Panathinaikos as it is now, will be a contestand for the play-offs.
how do you mean as it is now? You mean if the did not complete the roster? Why even talk about that if we know that they will add more players?
A traitor .
No
Not so easy...
Hell nahhh😂
alwways great content bravo guys
thanks a lot!
The Greek backbone that all the PAO fans are praising is not something new or impressive. Essentially, if Papagiannis stays its gonna be the exact same greek backbone PAO had in 2018 which has never reached F4 or even the playoffs lately. The addition of Sloukas and Vildoza is certainly an upgrade but they come nowhere near the Micic-Larkin duo. I think we won't be seeing such a duo anytime soon in Europe anyway. Even Monaco's James, Lloyd, Okobo experiment failed in the end.
Monaco had one big issue - shooting in the PF position. It's not like that guard trio wasn't dominant. Maybe not at the levels of Micic-Larkin but close. But those two always had 2 more shooters on the court with them.
@@AugustasSuliauskas my point is that pao fans have to calm down a little bit because pride and arrogance is the worst perk when you haven't proved a single thing. Their newly assemblied team isn't even completed yet and you see them all over social already lifting the 2024 euroleague trophy in the air 😅😂🙃
@@1on1z3d Haha. Of course, all could go very wrong as only the court can tell. The chemistry, the fit together, and obviously, the last pieces will be as important as the main ones
Just Nemesis to the anti basketball club
Which is exactly the anti basketball?
@@trpap2685 olympiakos fans watch basketball because of the rivalry It is only the last three years that they started to create a basketball fan base. They have always been football fans who watched or attended because we were there and we were successful PAO and Aris fans love basketball in Greece only.
Good video, great analysis, u got an eye bro:)
Sloukas defo overpaid but HAD to, for all the various reasons u mention, not strictly pitch related.
So Pao is defo going for spot 3p shooters now on. SG and PF to be acquired must have that, and they will (according to sources).
Mantzoukas is the best spot up shooter in the team atm, so for me SF is covered with him and Papapetrou. U cant make a team roll without hustling role players, so i wouldnt go for Hezonja, he needs the ball and is another star player.
Papagiannis probably signing as well so u can also play pick n pop.
I d add Danny Green and some stretch-4 (just read about Samanic) and u re a final-4 team, man:)
@AugustasSuliauskas what do you think?
Surprisingly, Papaggianis is out and there is an empty spot for a center. Preferrably, someone who could stretch the floor. Mantzoukas has a lot of talent and I agree with you, but it's hard to imagine a youngster and Papapetrou covering that position if PAO owner really thinks about contending for the title immediately. I think starting SF is needed but Mantzoukas should definitely get some minutes during the season to grow. Love the Kyle Guy addition, even better than Matt Thomas in my eyes, since he can play with the ball and has more upside to grow as a player in short term
if they coud just add. Mr. Obradović again...
slou's vanity is time ... on court ... being 33 and playing 30+ min ... has its toll on the foot ... Fener almost stopped him , if it was not for walkup and lari ...
shinny transfer ... but it is not putting the team in F4 ...
as said in report both slou and vildo lack a bit in defense , which is true ...
Pap will be used a buffer coming from bench with Grant ...
Li should not have left ... also Matt Thomas ....
and if Papagiannis leave ... u need another greek native ... tall on 5 position coming from bench ... and there are not a lot of Greek position 5 tall guys anymore left in the market ...
We don't need a greek native in 5 position if papagiannis leaves we already are antetokounmpo as 3rd center. If he leaves we ll sign a foreigner. Also sloukas is not going to play 30+ minutes for sure. Probably like 25 minutes
We already have 6 with papapetrou,if kalaitzakis stays thats 7.
Only person we should have definitely kept is ponitka,we need a sf and a tall foreign center and we're probably fine with the roster
Thing is Ante junior is a ... what they call in NBA strech 4 not actual 3 ... he would play in 3 if Pontika had stayed (which he did not ) in that case ... what might happen
if Mito ... after ofc 2y of staying outside regains like in best scenario ... 3-4 months his form at an avg rate of 6.7 -7.2 , that translates in 17-22 PIR based in time he plays ... then u might see what u claim .
in 3 Ante Junior with Mito in 4
currently ... Pap in 3 ... 4 transfer .... as is
but even Pap will not be a starter ... he could not follow up in Partizan ... and Nunaly called him out ... and lost his place ... and plus in Partizan that role was partially covered by Danilo Andjusic ... also ... as a strech 4 although ... 3 combo ..
so yeah pretty much ...
Bankruptcy
You wish
@@TheAnswer_13 we'll see
It depends on which players they will sign next, cause so far the only players with actual F4 experience are Sloukas and Papapetrou from back in his days in Olympiacos bench. Thus it is a bit of overstretch to raise them from second to last to first four with just those players and Ataman. Sloukas was a huge negative in both of the last two F4s for Olympiacos , with the team being + 25 with Monaco in the semi and +14 with Real in the final when he was on the bench. Obviously the market dictates a player"s value and he had other big offers but I personally thought that given this fact, his age, his defense and his size that even Olympiacos offer was overpaying.
and ATAMAN with 2(3) final 4 WINS IN A ROW...💚☘6⭐☘
Answer me this simple question. Walkup has 2 years of final 4 experience. Do u remember his stats for those 2 years? Hope u not cause he was terrible. So the actual f4 experience is something very good but not something u could grab from it and feel relaxed if u know what I mean
@@stefkoutsoukos8039 @stefkoutsoukos8039 If you are talking about his shooting stats he was terrible ( Sloukas btw was terrible too), however his overall stats and especially the team stats while he was playing were more than excellent ( which is not the case for Sloukas). Other than Jordan there is no other constant in basketball that you can grab on to guarantee success. You settle for a sum of good things and hope. When you want to get better it is good to get better players, when you want to make the playoffs it is good to get players that made it, same with F4 same with the title. Pao is very far away from F4 conversations the realistic questions are they playoff candidates or rather are they actually better than last year? If you put down last year"s roster and this year"s so far you see that there could be a debate even for that..
@@vasilisantonopoulos9326In this years final walkup had 3 pir and +4 when he was on the floor. Sloukas in the same game had 6 pir and (-10) when he was on the floor and he was not good. In the semifinal walkup had 8 pir and (+19) while sloukas 11 pir and (-5). Last years semifinal walkup had 8 pir and (-12) while sloukas had 14 pir and (+6). My point? Experience plays a big role for final 4 and sloukas has it (im not gonna search he previous 7 apperances i think sloukas has in final 4s) While pir shows the performance of a player +/- shows the points his team is in front or behind. Sloukas as u say plays for ur b unit. He comes in as a substitute so his +/- is affected by his teammates like laretzakis that play with him at the same time or perhaps bolomboi. But experience is not the only ingredient for success. Walkup before oly had never played in final four and he turns 31 in december. As for panathinaikos. Nobody says we gonna play in next years final four. We should aim for at least 10position and above for the play in tournament (or 6 and above for playoffs) and when we are in we gonna see what we are capable of or what do we need extra for the next step.
@@stefkoutsoukos8039 My friend this is exactly what I am saying. The question was about Pao"s F4 chances after Sloukas transfer and my point was that it is too far fetched with the current roster and the realistic expectations is to be better than last year. Cause if you see the moves one by one you can"t say that with certainty. They got a much better but at the same time very special coach who is not famous for his hard work, while Radonic came as defense specialist and we all saw how that worked out. Sloukas replaces Lee and even though it is a massive upgrade, Lee"s defense is going to be massively missed. Vildoza came possibly for Grigonis so you need to remember that the Lithuanian came with almost the same hype. Mitoglou has two years out and I don"t think that even in his hey days he will reach the quality of Derrick. The same and more can be said about Papapetrou for Bacon or Ponitka take your pick, especially considering that it is two of them. Kostas is excellent but I don"t think he comes close to Gudaitis. Lessort is definitely an upgrade if Papagianis stays cause compared to him, I am not so sure as they both have one good year with one second team selection. If Moraitis is better than either Kalaitzakis, remains to be seen cause I like all of them, but none of them is actually a real factor in a Euroleague team. I am not trying to ditch Pao"s moves on the contrary they are great especially for the Greek league, where Olympiacos is weakened and depleted of Greek players, however I think that for Euroleague the expectations should be more grounded, given the past, and also the fact that having an expensive roster good on paper guarantees you very little and the current one in paper is not that much better than what last year"s one looked like. And as shown by Efes this year no matter how much you pay guarantees you anything, and possibly the only team that can start the year with F4 expectations is Real Madrid and even they were one Yabusele punch away from the F4.
Ofc not. You may hate me PAO fans now but lets be realistic. They gor vildoza who played insane for 2 months for red star and then was rly bad rest of season not just in eurolwague but also aba league.
Lessort is insane and i wont argue with that
Papapetrou is solid but nothing special, played 5 to 7 mins for partizan per game
Sloukas is good but overhyped and overpayed. We will see. Imo of they reach playoffs its good , wouldnr be surprised if they ended up 9 to 13 place
We haven't finished our signings yet. We ll be for sure in playoffs no doubt
@@AntonisPapadopoulos-sp7bxμε παπαπετρου και μητογλου;; Αχαχαχαχαχα
@@AntonisPapadopoulos-sp7bx Why no doubt? You can't "buy" your entrance in the F4 or playoffs no matter how many millions you spend and the examples of clubs with scary budgets that failed to produce a cohesive team in the end are numerous. Olimpia Milano last year had a budget of 30millions and until now that we speak they haven't managed to make a TEAM. It's not even August and you PAO fans already speaking of finals and trophies 😅🤣🙃
@@1on1z3d There is not a chance of not attending play offs you ll see...20000 fans in every home game will push it, Panathinaikos is not Milano or Monaco or Efes.
@@diamadid1s Thats not how it works . 3 loses and most of yall will not support the team for the rest of the year hahaha
Οf course not
GOT player of panathinaikos in history was definitely one. Vasilakopoulos. He manipulate his way all Greek referees... to support 100% panathinaikos even in friendly games.
Last time POA went to the F4, 60% of their fans weren't even born
VERY FUNNY NOW GO TO GULAG
If we're 10 years old.
I have six euroleague titles.. you?😉
Turk will not stay 4 long…
PAO wants Hezonja for SF-PF and two more guards. Napier/Dorsey and one that can play at SG-SF
The last player that they will sign will be a Center. They wait for Papagiannis response or someone else
Hezonja would be great. And if they get Napier on top of that, sheeeeeesh
@@AugustasSuliauskas
Unfortunately it’s extremely difficult for Mario because he has one more year with Real. He wants to come to Pana for sure, this week is critical. However if not this year he will come 1000% next year.
Clearly overpayed!
Υes but pao needs two good scorers
Paparia mentoles. Do you know?
kostaki bine
No he doesn't
Νot in the slightest.
10th place maybe. 33y, can't play defense and extremely overrated and overpaid (nice score on that).
Sloukas is not the only signing...
@@TheAnswer_13
You can't buy so many players and expect to become a F4 right away. Building a team takes time. But media propaganda makes you dream.
As an Olympiacos supporter I think it's difficult to reach F4 again, even though the team is already in place.
Putting a new team together and expecting to be in the F4 so soon is a fantasy.
@@RedDefender77 Did I say anything about final4?? I was just responding to your comment saying "10th place maybe".
@@TheAnswer_13
Είπες δεν είναι η μόνη προσθήκη σε βίντεο που ρωτάει αν ο σλούκας θα κάνει τον παο ομάδα Φ4. Εγώ είπα όχι και εσύ υπονόησες ότι θα γίνουν κι άλλες κινήσεις και επομένως ο παο θα γίνει ομάδα Φ4.
Άσε το αγγλικό, μας κούρασες.
Of course .....NO THEY CAN'T.
Ataman is rubish coach, hope they will not qualify even for top 8
Cry 😂
cry ahahahahahahaha😂
😂😂
Nice additions on Pao, finally there is actually someone to play against. Its weird to me thought that there are so many fans of my team that think that Olynpiacos is not going to be good anymore. I think, even with the two guys leaving, we will still be the best team and we will win at the final this time. -