I believe Judith is S tier with that color combo and being able to “Plaque Wind” often for as little as 1 mana. Especially when you can easily exile creatures that would die with other card abilities.
Building voja (built it already with cards on hand) aka the best budget deck! Free!!! And it’s powerful already and all I really have are cheap stock I got for practically nothing lol… I’m also building Judith!
You're definitely overhyping Anzrag. I mean it only has 4 toughness, no trample, no haste, and a seven mana ability. It's powerful for sure, but a one sided boardwhipe for 1 mana is more powerful and Judith has access to more than 4 of those and more of the same effect at 2 mana. A 4/4 will kill Anzrag, so you either give it indestructible or first strike/double strike, not impossible in Gruul, but it doesn't stop exile effects. And unless you give it trample, which isn't hard but is a step, then it whipes the board and hits but not much else. The "true combo" requires multiple indestructible creatures/fog effect, trample, haste or not summoning sick, and a lure effect all at the same time. Where as Judith produces creatures that burn the opponents so even if the remove her they still have to deal with that. And Aetherflux or Bolas's Citidel with Blasphemous Act are easy wins. So anzrag is powerful, I don't fault it as an S tier, but it doesn't stand alone. Meanwhile, Vannifar will get Blightsteel Colossus, Ulamog, or other huge game winning creatures with ease I mean you cast her on turn 4 or 5 and hold up a counter and blink spell then before your turn flip your cloaked card and game over for one person. And that is without a high end mana base. And in colors known for hexproof and counterspell effects. My point being that all these commanders actually need several components to go right without being interrupted.
Judith is good, I would say probably S tier, but Anzhag is certainly up their too. Judith makes like 4-5 cheap cards into board wipes, which is cool, but she costs more than anzhag and is a worse type combo for ramping. Plus, generally my experience is that burn is a bit underwhelming. Other things besides the infinites that Anzhag has. Cheap access to an enabler for your "power matters" cards. Access to colors that give him all the combat keywords he needs. Also has ways to make him have to be blocked that are cheaper than his ability, beyond the obvious, such as grafted exoskeleton and jeska thrice born making him deal lethal in one hit.
Yeah I agree bro. Absolute mayhem. I played Starblast or whatever the card is that dealt 20 damage to each other creature and gained 440 life. Then I rise to the darkrealms in the same turn. Absolutely broken commander went with just her first ability Moreso then second but it also can work well
While massacre girl is good I think you’re overhyping a bit considering Scorpion god & Hapatra exist already but don’t see a lot of play. She will def make those 2 decks a lot better while being decent in her own right still!
Yeah, I came here to say that. Niv Mizzet is B tier at best, probably C. I built a Voja deck and it wrecks. You play all the 1 mana elves, a few 1 and 2 mana wolves, some haste enablers, and you're swinging for 20+ on turn 3 or 4.
I don't understand why you think Voja and Duskana are even remotely on the same level. With Duskana you get a static pump effect, have to attack with a lot of creatures to have that pump work and it only lasts that turn, and can only draw cards on etb, meaning you have to waste mana on blinking Duskana while maintaing a board full of some of the easiest creatures to kill. With Voja, you get the effect as long as he attacks (whether alone or with other creatures), you draw nearly the same amount of cards but every attack, and the pump is counters so it doesn't go away at end of turn, and helps make your board resistant the plentiful amount of deal 3 damage to all creature effects that'll destroy a Duskana board. Not only that but mana dork elves now can be used early game for ramp while still being useful late game. and to put the cherry on top it has ward 3, vigilance, and trample. like I'll still play both but to say their on the same power level is baffling
Duskana is a lot stronger. Doesn’t need a haste enabler for immediate value, and it draws from insane cards like Collector Ouphe instead of a very mid archetype like Wolves (not to mention needing a completely different type to pump cards). The ETB trigger is also much easier to abuse via cards like Ephemerate, while even the cheapest extra combat spells are ~3 mana. TL:DR - Voja is generally a lot slower, less focused with its synergies, and draws via a significantly weaker archetype.
@@Nr4747 It’s completely fair as an elfball commander. Being a non-elf in your elf deck is annoying, needing to untap (or have a haste enabler) to do anything is not great, and trying to cram together elves and wolves despite them sharing no synergy will be clunky at best. Meanwhile Duskana’s draw and pump effects are immediate, offering the opponent no means to stop the former save countering it. That combined with bears (the stat line) being a much better archetype than wolves and you have an overall much better commander imo.
Just played my marvo deck for the first time tonight. Shit is BUSTED. There are very few clash cards but that doesn’t matter. Spark double and auton soldier get the job done IMMEDIATELY. And hoarder’s greed gives you an instant board most of the time. I went from just marvo to having a board full of massive leviathans and eldrazi in ONE TURN. Incredibly powerful commander.
Kellan has too much potential to be put into the C tier. Liquimetal Torque and Coating to pop permanents other than just artifacts is just chaotically fun.
The following opinion is from a mostly casual player keep in mind: As the resident Gruul player in my play group, I feel like you are over hyping Anzrag; He is good but not super... Only 4 toughness, no haste, is easy to deal with. 7 mana to use his ability (even in green) is still a lot. Judith should definitely be S tier. I mean constant board wipes? Really? And the crocodile elk should be A or S tier in my opinion, you said it yourself Mitch; draw 15 cards in one turn, recast a 15 toughness creature for potentially 1 mana. Really? There are some gnarly combos you can do with that croc-elk. The pride of the Hull Clade almost seems like the hard counter to Anzrag with the right setup.
The fact that Judith isn't S is kinda funny. She takes far less to make her work than the Mole God. You're talking about all fogs and indestructible effects to make the Mole work. You don't need anything but some damage spells to make Judith busted. The aristocrats potential is just icing. I think you're just more hyped on making some silly Fog strat work.
I might try making Vannifar CEDH. Get her out turn one, turn two and put down an omniscience you flicker next turn for three mana, that would be absurd!
Sadly turning a sorcery or instant face up doesn't work that way. If it were to turn face up, you would reveal what it is, then put it face down again. No specific rule, but by extension and combination of rules 303.4, 307.4, 701.34f, and 725.2g make it clear. Especially 701.34f, it's regarding manifested instance/sorcery turning face up. I'm sure there's new rules as well, but those are the ones ik regarding the subject
@@KeepTheKitLow Omniscience is an enchantment though... Edit: Also, by flicker I mean exile and then return to battlefield. The card will come back face up, activating it's effects if it's a permanent.
After the first GOTCHA, Trostani becomes hilarious. I've gotten multiple people killed off double strike on an opponent's creature, no politics involved. After a deathtouch or two, people just start doing no blocks all over and the table just plummets. I enjoyed Judith, but Trostani is my favorite from this entire set.
Its wierd how they seem to just willy nilly put the ''once each turn'' limit on some cards but then other cards with perhaps even better effects dont have the limitation..
Feather is a probably A tier, any deck with this cards "do something and buy a card" with enough mana you never will be without cards in hand and a lots of cantrips
Krenko is way stronger than C tier. The bare minimum is treasures = 2/2 haste goblins, with a LOT of potential for shenanigans. Only real point against him is being mono color.
I would even put kaust in A tier. My 4th game of magic ever, with only $10 worth of upgrades to the deck i beat a table of 5 of ppl that have been playing for 10+ years and they all had mid power decks with some high end proxies. Once you get the hang of it and add something like pyrotechnic performer and a little land ramp, its unstoppable
So I don't mean any hate or disrespect, but I do struggle a bit with this video. When you're reading the card text, you're saying all the words super fast and it can be a bit hard to understand what you're saying and it all gets a bit muddled. I would recommend slowing down your speech when reading the card text so we can actually hear what the card says before you jump into your analysis. I found that with every card, I would need to pause the video and read it myself to even know what it says and then resume the video, which can be difficult as I usually watch your vids while I'm multitasking with something else.
Judith not S tier? Krenko not A tier?! And you threw Delney into C tier?!?! But Niv makes the A tier being mid at most. This has become “Which commanders do i like the mechanic of most”
Exactly. Getting draws from cards like Collector Ouphe, Grand Abolisher, Knight of the White Orchid, Gaddock Teeg, Scooze, Leonin Arbiter, etc on ETB is pretty nutty. Not to mention making them 5/5s
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I believe Judith is S tier with that color combo and being able to “Plaque Wind” often for as little as 1 mana. Especially when you can easily exile creatures that would die with other card abilities.
Yeah it's a tier, this guy really has no idea, the combos and ease with this guy is crazy. But hey it's his opinion.
Voja is easily the strongest commander in this set imo, given how many elves you can get out by the time you swing your commander on turn 4 or 5
Building voja (built it already with cards on hand) aka the best budget deck! Free!!! And it’s powerful already and all I really have are cheap stock I got for practically nothing lol… I’m also building Judith!
It’s a good high power commander
Very strong in casual pods, but not cEDH.
Putting krenko in C is absolutely criminal. Probably A or S tier.
Yeah man I don’t wanna be too critical but the new Krenko is at least A with how many shenanigans he gets into with treasures alone
Wtf does that have to do with this list? This isn’t a budget list
Thanks for givin Kaust some love here! A lot of people dont get the flavour of that card! : )
As someone who started putting a decklist together for Delney the moment he saw her. I’m offended you put her in C lol.
Yeah, I completely ignored the first line of text, mitch seemed to ignore the second line of text, though. I mean, just look at esper sentinel.
Its mono White…. The worst colour by far
No reason to be offended. Just don't make it to overpowered
@@nicokapischke1293 white has been getting tons of support, especially for aggro, which delney defitnitely is meant to be built for
You're definitely overhyping Anzrag. I mean it only has 4 toughness, no trample, no haste, and a seven mana ability. It's powerful for sure, but a one sided boardwhipe for 1 mana is more powerful and Judith has access to more than 4 of those and more of the same effect at 2 mana. A 4/4 will kill Anzrag, so you either give it indestructible or first strike/double strike, not impossible in Gruul, but it doesn't stop exile effects. And unless you give it trample, which isn't hard but is a step, then it whipes the board and hits but not much else. The "true combo" requires multiple indestructible creatures/fog effect, trample, haste or not summoning sick, and a lure effect all at the same time.
Where as Judith produces creatures that burn the opponents so even if the remove her they still have to deal with that. And Aetherflux or Bolas's Citidel with Blasphemous Act are easy wins. So anzrag is powerful, I don't fault it as an S tier, but it doesn't stand alone.
Meanwhile, Vannifar will get Blightsteel Colossus, Ulamog, or other huge game winning creatures with ease I mean you cast her on turn 4 or 5 and hold up a counter and blink spell then before your turn flip your cloaked card and game over for one person. And that is without a high end mana base. And in colors known for hexproof and counterspell effects.
My point being that all these commanders actually need several components to go right without being interrupted.
There are multiple cards that make a creature indestructible and force it to be blocked; it's a 2 card combo with one piece in the command zone.
Judith is amazing, but I think you're hating Anzarag a bit much
Judith is good, I would say probably S tier, but Anzhag is certainly up their too. Judith makes like 4-5 cheap cards into board wipes, which is cool, but she costs more than anzhag and is a worse type combo for ramping. Plus, generally my experience is that burn is a bit underwhelming.
Other things besides the infinites that Anzhag has. Cheap access to an enabler for your "power matters" cards. Access to colors that give him all the combat keywords he needs. Also has ways to make him have to be blocked that are cheaper than his ability, beyond the obvious, such as grafted exoskeleton and jeska thrice born making him deal lethal in one hit.
Judith is so S tier. Played with her as a proxy and I wrecked all night.
Yeah I agree bro. Absolute mayhem. I played Starblast or whatever the card is that dealt 20 damage to each other creature and gained 440 life. Then I rise to the darkrealms in the same turn. Absolutely broken commander went with just her first ability Moreso then second but it also can work well
While massacre girl is good I think you’re overhyping a bit considering Scorpion god & Hapatra exist already but don’t see a lot of play. She will def make those 2 decks a lot better while being decent in her own right still!
She's really good in the 99 of toxril and yawgmoth too!
WHAAAT ! Niv mizzet guildpact A-tier !?!?!? isnt it at most a C-tier !? super clonky only + it's 5 colors ... you put voja at the same level :S
Some obvious bias, but whatever, this is a subjective list.
The list feels more whats strong/fun to build 😅
That new niv is hot garbage
Yeah, I came here to say that. Niv Mizzet is B tier at best, probably C.
I built a Voja deck and it wrecks. You play all the 1 mana elves, a few 1 and 2 mana wolves, some haste enablers, and you're swinging for 20+ on turn 3 or 4.
I don't understand why you think Voja and Duskana are even remotely on the same level. With Duskana you get a static pump effect, have to attack with a lot of creatures to have that pump work and it only lasts that turn, and can only draw cards on etb, meaning you have to waste mana on blinking Duskana while maintaing a board full of some of the easiest creatures to kill.
With Voja, you get the effect as long as he attacks (whether alone or with other creatures), you draw nearly the same amount of cards but every attack, and the pump is counters so it doesn't go away at end of turn, and helps make your board resistant the plentiful amount of deal 3 damage to all creature effects that'll destroy a Duskana board. Not only that but mana dork elves now can be used early game for ramp while still being useful late game. and to put the cherry on top it has ward 3, vigilance, and trample.
like I'll still play both but to say their on the same power level is baffling
Voja definitely should have been an S tier commander, that’s so many counters!!!
I would say they're at opposite ends of the same tier
Duskana is a lot stronger. Doesn’t need a haste enabler for immediate value, and it draws from insane cards like Collector Ouphe instead of a very mid archetype like Wolves (not to mention needing a completely different type to pump cards). The ETB trigger is also much easier to abuse via cards like Ephemerate, while even the cheapest extra combat spells are ~3 mana.
TL:DR - Voja is generally a lot slower, less focused with its synergies, and draws via a significantly weaker archetype.
@@baconsir1159 You forgot to mention, though, that Voja is completely busted in an Elfball deck while Duskana isn't.
@@Nr4747 It’s completely fair as an elfball commander. Being a non-elf in your elf deck is annoying, needing to untap (or have a haste enabler) to do anything is not great, and trying to cram together elves and wolves despite them sharing no synergy will be clunky at best. Meanwhile Duskana’s draw and pump effects are immediate, offering the opponent no means to stop the former save countering it. That combined with bears (the stat line) being a much better archetype than wolves and you have an overall much better commander imo.
Just played my marvo deck for the first time tonight. Shit is BUSTED. There are very few clash cards but that doesn’t matter. Spark double and auton soldier get the job done IMMEDIATELY. And hoarder’s greed gives you an instant board most of the time.
I went from just marvo to having a board full of massive leviathans and eldrazi in ONE TURN. Incredibly powerful commander.
Just built
Marvo, he’s stronger in cedh than casual. Imperial seal or vamp throw into peer, win and cast peer for free and win.
Mirko seems a little underestimated. It's reminiscent of Meren without being broken in an almost boring way.
Kellan has too much potential to be put into the C tier. Liquimetal Torque and Coating to pop permanents other than just artifacts is just chaotically fun.
The following opinion is from a mostly casual player keep in mind: As the resident Gruul player in my play group, I feel like you are over hyping Anzrag; He is good but not super... Only 4 toughness, no haste, is easy to deal with. 7 mana to use his ability (even in green) is still a lot.
Judith should definitely be S tier. I mean constant board wipes? Really?
And the crocodile elk should be A or S tier in my opinion, you said it yourself Mitch; draw 15 cards in one turn, recast a 15 toughness creature for potentially 1 mana. Really? There are some gnarly combos you can do with that croc-elk.
The pride of the Hull Clade almost seems like the hard counter to Anzrag with the right setup.
The fact that Judith isn't S is kinda funny. She takes far less to make her work than the Mole God. You're talking about all fogs and indestructible effects to make the Mole work. You don't need anything but some damage spells to make Judith busted. The aristocrats potential is just icing. I think you're just more hyped on making some silly Fog strat work.
I might try making Vannifar CEDH. Get her out turn one, turn two and put down an omniscience you flicker next turn for three mana, that would be absurd!
Sadly turning a sorcery or instant face up doesn't work that way.
If it were to turn face up, you would reveal what it is, then put it face down again.
No specific rule, but by extension and combination of rules 303.4, 307.4, 701.34f, and 725.2g make it clear. Especially 701.34f, it's regarding manifested instance/sorcery turning face up.
I'm sure there's new rules as well, but those are the ones ik regarding the subject
@@KeepTheKitLow Omniscience is an enchantment though...
Edit: Also, by flicker I mean exile and then return to battlefield. The card will come back face up, activating it's effects if it's a permanent.
yeah thats pretty dirty
Krenko at C is crazy
After the first GOTCHA, Trostani becomes hilarious. I've gotten multiple people killed off double strike on an opponent's creature, no politics involved. After a deathtouch or two, people just start doing no blocks all over and the table just plummets. I enjoyed Judith, but Trostani is my favorite from this entire set.
Its wierd how they seem to just willy nilly put the ''once each turn'' limit on some cards but then other cards with perhaps even better effects dont have the limitation..
Feather is a probably A tier, any deck with this cards "do something and buy a card" with enough mana you never will be without cards in hand and a lots of cantrips
Trostani is definitely a 99 card definitely going into my Tolsimer and Obuun decks
There’s a deck that I would like Lazav in the 99 for😊
If you cast chain of smog in Judith with a sac outlet, you can go infinite.
Nah, Judith is only cast. You’d need an effect like Magecraft that says cast or copy
Krenko is way stronger than C tier. The bare minimum is treasures = 2/2 haste goblins, with a LOT of potential for shenanigans. Only real point against him is being mono color.
Krenko and delney at c??? They're definitely A if not higher
Combo for the mole God with heroic intervention for indestructible for your entire board
Fog effects
Or Maze of Ith
They really missed out by not having Sophia have power 2 instead of power 3. Delaney synergy would’ve been incredibly fitting
Teysa in a shadowborne deck is nuts
I would even put kaust in A tier. My 4th game of magic ever, with only $10 worth of upgrades to the deck i beat a table of 5 of ppl that have been playing for 10+ years and they all had mid power decks with some high end proxies. Once you get the hang of it and add something like pyrotechnic performer and a little land ramp, its unstoppable
I'm curious how this would change in about 3 months
Am i the only one seeing the fun that can be had with Kylox? Lol
I'm with you there
So I don't mean any hate or disrespect, but I do struggle a bit with this video. When you're reading the card text, you're saying all the words super fast and it can be a bit hard to understand what you're saying and it all gets a bit muddled. I would recommend slowing down your speech when reading the card text so we can actually hear what the card says before you jump into your analysis. I found that with every card, I would need to pause the video and read it myself to even know what it says and then resume the video, which can be difficult as I usually watch your vids while I'm multitasking with something else.
I've mentioned having to slow his videos down to make them understandable before.
Im confused by this list
Me: is it Krenko? S-Tier
Duskana, the Rage Mother, a.k.a. Cocaine Bear.
Judith not S tier? Krenko not A tier?! And you threw Delney into C tier?!?! But Niv makes the A tier being mid at most. This has become “Which commanders do i like the mechanic of most”
Why not in the studio?
Duskana = hatebear tribal
Exactly. Getting draws from cards like Collector Ouphe, Grand Abolisher, Knight of the White Orchid, Gaddock Teeg, Scooze, Leonin Arbiter, etc on ETB is pretty nutty. Not to mention making them 5/5s
Voja is numero uno
Think you missed the mark on a lot of these and viewing them too narrowly.
Voja is def S.
No way bro put Marvo in b tier 💀 Marvo is ten times better than anzrag
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No patrick, that doesn't make you special
I really like your videos but you so need to slow down when you talk. Very difficult to understand you. Especially when you are reading card text.
Agreed. You can always go to the settings to put the playback speed at 0.75 :)