If I threw a piece of garbage out of my car and somebody got into a wreck because of that I would be held liable so why should it be different for NASA?
"Dead Like Me"... I loved that show. I know there was a full length first season and a second season (maybe slightly shorter ?) and then a one off film length episode later, I think. I think it could have gone on longer. Dead-Like-Me was a nicer version of, an earlier series "Good-vs-Evil". (That also had just 2 seasons, season 2 being re-named as "GvsE").
"NASA has since confirmed the debris came from a 2.9-ton pallet of used batteries jettisoned from the International Space Station in March of 2021; the structure was expected to burn up completely in Earth's atmosphere. "
@@davidh9638 Orbital trajectories are complicated, but very predictable. There is no reason whatsoever that you couldn't aim Space Garbage at the middle of the ocean.
@@Matt-yg8ub "the ocean" is roughly 70% of the Earth's surface, so I'm not buying that. Statistically, you should hit it most of the time even if you aren't aiming.
How is NASA planning to cover such damages for other nations. Could have followed the same instrument for incidents within the country. Is absolute shameful there thought of applying different standards.
LOL, you mentioned SkyLab. Remember Taco Bell did a promotion where they put a "target" in the ocean and if it got hit by debris everyone in the USA could get a free taco.
Actually Skylab wasn't abandoned as much as we destroyed or museumed all the remaining Apollo units that could have saved Skylab, and the Space Shuttle (that was supposed to lift it to a higher orbit, update it, and start supplying crews again) was delayed so many times that the Shuttle was still 2-3 years from first launch when Skylab had fallen past the point being salvageable. The last time NASA met a deadline was in 1969, and that after they killed 3 astronauts on the ground half-assing Apollo 1. (and may have been caught assassinating a whistleblower using a NASA train to cover up the event, by pretending he drove in front of it)
It is no longer about doing the right thing. I grew up near Langley Air Force Base. When I was young supersonic flight over land was still allowed. Every now and then one of the Sonic booms would knock out a window or two. Langley would send somebody out, look at the window and make sure it wasn't a baseball or something. Then they would send a crew out and they would fix the window. No money changed hands but it was taken care of. For a while in the late '70s I worked at dahlgren naval surface weapons center. The guys there talked about when they were testing their land-based 16-in guns, every now and then they would get one that would fall short in Colonial Beach. Virginia. As soon as they got a report that it had landed there, they did not fire explosive shells, they would send somebody out. Look it over then they would send a crew and fix it. Money didn't change hands but it was taken care of. Now the attitude is watch your budget, screw the civilians. Now I would not be surprised if this started with an incident where somebody did the right thing and his boss said you didn't have the authority to spend that money. Word spread, nobody would stick their neck out to do the right thing. And I am sure that the only reason that the victims of the toxic water at camp Lejeune was given any compensation was because of tremendous pressure on Congress. If I remember right, the move to compensate people who suffered from that was not initiated by the Navy or the Marines but rather by Congress. But I'm not 100% sure of that. I seem to recall that when I was in North Carolina in the '80s they were still denying any liability.
How many environmental laws did NASA violate by just dumping batteries almost certainly containing toxic materials into the environment rather than disposing of them properly?
I didn't get any compensation for $40,000 fbi damages to my family home then driving off! US gov needs to be responsible for their damages to citizens property!
Governments should indeed be required to pay the damages when they damage or destroy civilian property... that just seems like a basic concept that should be enshrined in law. Perhaps if they knew the government would have to pay for damaged property they'd be less reckless with our things.
Insurance can subrogate after making the insure whole. The obstacle is that "not covering Acts of God or Government" clause. Insurance companies run away because they know the evil tricks governments are wont to use in order to avoid responsibility (i.e. Qualified Immunity, prosecuting witnesses, Sovereign Immunity, etc.).
We have a constitutional right to get made whole. The 9th Amendment is supposed to prevent the government from taking our rights even if not directly enumerated by the constitution, but the courts refuse to apply anything to our 9th Amendment right.
@@patrickday4206Yeah unless someone dies I don’t think they get pain and suffering. They should get recouped the cost of repairs and cost of living while house is uninhabitable.
you know what I like about you? you are simply a rational guy that enjoys helping people rational law. a normal American. It's a pleasure listening to you
But it would be NASA that pays the bill, but the Justice Department that fights it in count. The thing with government (local, state, federal) lawyers is, they will fight and fight in court, even if it costs WAY more to fight it then to settle the claim. That is what the lawyers are paid to do.
@@KISSMYACE3203 Yes and there's the chance that it could be some big damage they end up liable for in the future. On the other hand, it would have to be pretty severe to be more than a drop in the bucket for government budgets.
@@KISSMYACE3203yea I think precedence is a key factor in this decision. But I think they are setting a bad precedence by involving lawyers . It should have been; debree orgins confirmed. Repair costs calculated. Repair costs paid. And only going the lawyer route if there is a discrepancy in the repair cost or some sort of pain and suffering reimbursement needed.
There shouldn't need to be a law that makes NASA responsible for their equipment falling from orbit and smashing any property. That should just be automatic.
Yeah. Any government entity, anywhere, should automatically repair any damage they have caused. Forget whether you are allowed to sue them... It should just be automatic that they pay for repairs that occur both through their negligence or their standard operations. You break it, you bought it, in other words.
This is especially egregious because when de-orbiting, there is usually great care taken to ensure that stuff burns up over the oceans. You know, it's Earth, so that's actually pretty hard to miss that bad.
Once an unpowered piece of debris is ejected from an object in orbit not even the great Cray supercomputer can predict where it will come down more precisely than a 500 x 15000 mile box. Spacecraft are not unpowered. This is why Starliner is stuck up there now. They can't control it.
Even if the law exists(and it does) what's to stop the government from deciding it's in their best interest to not do the right thing.... Plenty of evidence in history of the government deciding ehh... No I won't do that thing I promised
@@janerockstar they never did.... I'm not sure where you got the delusion that the government was ever good, they are simply better than the alternative
unfortunately, not how that works. Oversaturated market, plus it is basically indistinguishable from crap you can go pull from your local junkyard. The Beanie Baby problem.
Question from an old retired litigation paralegal: If an airline crashes and debris hits a house, who is responsible? Is there an altitude limit that applies to aircraft but not space junk? Really enjoy your channel Steve.
And if I threw a concrete block into my neighbors house, I'd be responsible for the cost to fix things. Why should it matter if I threw it into low orbit and it went around the earth a few times before hitting their house?
@@heroslippy6666 Yes, absolutely. I'm older than Steve Lehto and remember when the whole thing started and was put into orbit then basically abandoned. Now with the multitude of lower altitude satellites Musk/SpaceX has launched, I have no doubt they will be falling out of orbit sooner. But none of answers the question of who is liable if an aircraft crashes and debris hits a home. Is it an altitude limit? Peace out.
@@justliberty4072 I'm not sure it's a what does it matter issue. Legally is it an altitude difference? Why are airlines liable but not the Space Station or other satellites in lower altitudes like the multitude Musk has put up. They will come down. Does Musk/SpaceX have the same immunity as NASA is getting with the Space Station debris because he has government contracts? If you research how darn much is orbiting the earth the sheer number is mind boggling. Peace out.
Specifically, ask a nation America isn't friendly with. During the Cold War, a small town had their rickety footbridge, the only path out of town that wasn't private property, fall apart. The town was so small and rural, there was no tax money to pay for a new public bridge. (They literally appointed a mayor for the first time in order to get this dealt with, his term ended after a bridge was paid for and under construction.) The state refused to pay and called it a federal matter. The feds refused to pay and said it was a state matter. So, out of options, the town wrote to the Soviet Union to request foreign aid to pay for the bridge. They didn't actually want the Soviets to pay for the bridge. They wanted exactly what happened. The USSR decided to respond by sending a journalist. By the end of that same day, state and feds had settled who was responsible for the bridge and some US department paid for a new road bridge. So, in this case... if you want to pull a Cold War thing, write to China about it. Or, because it's aerospace, write to Russia about it. They probably won't fix anything, but it might get America to throw money at the problem for the same reason they paid for that bridge so quickly once the USSR was in the loop.
I think there may be a precedent here. There have been several cases where the military has unintentionally dropped bombs on citizen's property, resulting in damage. In most, if not all of those cases, the government paid for the damages.
I would love to hear Steve's take on the Constitution protecting our right to sue the government as a "redress of grievances". In other words, we don't need their individual "permission" for each and every kind of instance because the Constitution already specifically states we have that right.
At the time of its release this was the single largest amount of mass ever jettisoned from the station.. And it wasn't the original plan either.. The pallet of batteries was supposed to be put on board a transport vessel for a controlled and safe re-entry but some issues with the schedule caused by a Russian spacecraft failure forced them to do it this way. Interestingly per the space treaty you reference, if a SpaceX craft causes damage in another country it's the US government that's responsible for damages. So the FAA does have some regulatory authority for US spacecraft (like Starship) that re-enter the atmosphere outside of US territory.
I call BS. (Not on you.) Anyone familiar with the Apollo 13 mission knows that great care was taken to jettison the lunar module (which would not have returned to earth if the mission went as planned) so that it would end up in the deepest part of the Pacific Ocean. If the NASA folks could manage that degree of precision clear back in 1970, when computers filled entire rooms and could just about add 2 + 2 and come up with 4, and the average modern car has more computer capacity than the spacecrafts that went to the moon and back, surely someone with at least half a brain could have plotted a safe return trajectory for that piece of junk. But no... apparently they just threw it out the hatch and crossed their fingers that it would burn up in the atmosphere.
@@CrankyBeachthe lunar module was jettisoned at a much lower altitude in a more or less controlled way. The pallet was jettisoned much higher and would have done a couple of orbits before reentry and that’s way harder to calculate. Obviously not the best way but a few thousand pounds of spent batteries is a pretty dangerous thing to keep on the space station.
I remember when the shuttle went down over East Texas. I was home with a bad case of flu and heard the huge Boom and felt it shake the house. There were pieces of debris everywhere and the press, lookie loos and federal authorities descended on the region looking for stuff leaving gates open letting cattle out, and generally being a menace to civilization but I don’t recall anything hitting anyone’s house.
Nasa also refused to admit they damaged shuttle Columbia. I remember spotting the damage during ascent on the live cam they had mounted to one of SRBs.
Pay these people. They probably pay at least that much for a toilet seat. You jettison something from a space station, you should pay if it lands on something.
Well, see that's what happens when you don't get all of a Quote. Jack Horkheimer always said "Keep Looking Up". But because of times constraints of his segments. They never got the "AND, Always Wear A Helmet" part in his show 😂 ... rest in peace my friend 😇✨😇 Was Skylab technically just a Mobile Home 🤔 Ahh, questions of universe we may never know 😏
If it can be proven that the item has flown in space, yes, there might be a market for it. I’d be in contact with The Space Store, an online merchant of space related stuff. Tiny fragments of heat shielding - and I mean TINY - from Apollo, the shuttles, etc. are available for sale.
@@obsidianjane4413 ITAR. Lel. Remember the botched retreat from Afghanistan? What about ITAR for all of those vehicles and weapons abandoned to the Taliban. The federal government's say as to its disposition ended the nanosecond they abandoned it in space. Same as the M4 carbines, Bradley fighting vehicles, M1 Abrams tanks, HMMWVs, M2A1 .50 caliber machine guns, thermal sights, night vision goggles, sets of body armor, and aircraft the Taliban picked up in thewillful and intentional *rout* of this administration's making.
You are correct. It seems even the lawyers have forgotten. Recently, a woman whose home was destroyed by law enforcement sued the city under 5th amendment takings clause and won. It is the one thing that can pierce the sovereign immunity doctrine without any laws being passed.
@@Matt-yg8ub It is when they made it. Force majeure is an insurance term, not a civil term. If a tree from my property falls on my neighbors house, I have to pay for it. Force majeure isn't going to get me off the hook.
This is one of the few irrational fears I have Steve; aircraft flying above me and space junk. This is not putting my mind at ease, and if anything, it also reminded me of my rational fear of the justice system.
If it makes you feel any better none of what you fear has to be man-made.... There's records of at least one person being killed by a direct meteorite, and if an asteroid hits us you'll have plenty of friends to go with you
It's not completely irrational. Earth has been hit by meteors in the past & we pass thru large meteor streams twice a year. Next one is in October or November I believe.
Also scared of meteorites, but i feel as though since theyve been up there for god knows how long, and we have only left terra firma for the past 120 years, that I would have that much less of an influence on that type of stuff zipping around in the depths of space. Humans didn't put that stuff up there, its always and will always be up there. Humans or not.
We're going to see a lot of this over the next 30ish years and beyond. The trouble is identifying which country or agency is responsible. If a 100 pound piece of burned up metal detritus goes through my windshield in Nevada and injures/kills my passenger, who do I sue? There's so much in orbit, it could belong to any country.
You could set up a dart board on one end of a football field and throw darts at it from the other end and be more likely to get a bullseye than a piece of space debris hitting a structure. This is the most man bites dog story possible.
The US gov't has used the person's house as a depository of its unwanted material. That is a taking of the property. The gov't must pay for such a taking. US Const 5th Amd..."nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." See also Arkansas Game & Fish Commission v. United States, 568 U.S. 23 (2012).
@@baronvonslambert I really don't think it's a stretch. The government, through their own actions, deprived those people of a portion of their property's value by damaging it. Is that not a taking? If the takings clause doesn't provide relief for those who've had their property confiscated or destroyed by their government, what is its purpose?
@@oktayyildirim2911 Nope, not a taking. To be a taking, it would have to be deliberate, and if this were deliberate, it would _also_ be attempted murder. This would fall under negligence.
@@HiddenWindshield Didn't the SCOTUS rule in the 19th century that inadvertent damage constitutes a taking? IIRC, the government did something that ended up flooding a farmer's land, and the court ruled that the farmer was due compensation under the takings clause.
@@oktayyildirim2911 I believe the case you're talking about is Bothwell v. United States, 254 U.S. 231 (1920). The government _did_ pay for the land that was lost, as that was a deliberately intended outcome; they wanted a big lake. However, the plaintiff was _not_ compensated for either the hay that was stored on the land and destroyed by the floodwaters, or the fact that he had to sell his cattle at below market price because he didn't have anywhere to keep them.
Two sets of rules ! Two different punishments depending on who you are . If your not stupid how much more proof will it take to make you .000001% smarter than a rock .?
@jimdavis1566 they are like relay sensors to open m shut electric avenues. Utah cops asked if I was an expert in rocks in 2019. That's the year ford canyon mountain scape changed, in centerville utah. Rocks carry energy. Lava rocks get smarter with age. A quarter size quarts rock will hold data. I'm not expert but been on to it since 2018 spring. Utahs subterranean is 7 years old in November. The less one knows about mountain engineering the better off one is...
@@kellybrandon1179 how did you interpret this intelligence ? How long was the interview ? Now was this first hand conversation or hear say ? And at what point in your life did you start talking to rocks and they start answering you back ? What was there IQ score ?
@@georgedeedsnotwords2162 George, a I has not I q. It's simply hear say. Communication with rocks come from watch command, radio frequency identification, RFID and wifi. Other items that coincide with RFID and wifi are glass and aluminum.
NASA does have authority to compensate - up to around $40,000 or so. The problem is the damage is closer to $85,000 or so, and NASA needs to go to Congress to approve such a thing. Thus the problem - NASA wants to compensate but they're hamstrung in that they can't pay all of it without going up the chain. Likely they tried to do that but the family obviously doesn't want to be partially compensated for their loss. And its likely its stuck in Congress waiting for approval which will take decades to come.
If there was an earthquake in a city that's never had earthquakes before, and it caused the piano to slide through a large window, I imagine that could create a falling piano without negligence.
well, you should still prevent people from walking under lifted loads (or whatever the term in english is), for example by barricading off the ground below.
When Skylab de-orbited, a radio station in California offered $10K to the first person to bring in a piece of it. A kid in Australia got ahold of a piece, got on a plane with his parents, and collected the $10K. True story.
This sounds just like that comedy "Dead Like Me" where a girl was killed by a toilet seat from SkyLab and she became a reaper taking people's souls just before they die. 😁
This recently happened in rural Saskatchewan. Bits of a SpaceX rocket landed in the fields. SpaceX personnel showed up to collect their debris. A sum of money was offered as compensation, otherwise SpaceX was very tight lipped. No lasting damage and we had an interesting local story on the news.
They were trying to save Skylab. But the delays in the shuttle program didn't allow any way to save or direct the orbit. All anybody could do was stand and watch. Then hope it fell someplace vacant.
Yeah, they should probably settle. However - Have *you* ever tried making a toilet that works WITHOUT GRAVITY?!?!? I mean... yuck! Talk about floaters..... 🤢
The US goverment needs to nust come out, tell these people, "I am so sorry, we fucked up.". Then hand those people a check for the cost of repairs, a place to stay during repairs, and a little extra money. It shouldnt need a court or a law suit for them to do that. It just needs to happen, and the govwrnment weaseling their way out, or trying to, just shows how terrible they are, and how they should t be in charge or given power. They are failures.
Kind of the same situation as children having trouble making their parents do things, when someone has absolute power they also have the absolute power to ignore any promises
@@MonkeyJedi99 I thought that was knowing the law and not caring, And if you wear a fancy robe it's instead being able to reinterpret laws at will to f over as many people as possible
Doesn't the FAA regulate the airspace including stuff on the way to and from space? Why don't the laws and regs that address stuff flung or flown thru the air regardless of departure or intended destination apply? How is this different from a government owned plane crashing on your house?
Why does it have to be a different law just because where the item came from? If it came from the road (car) the owner would be liable right? Just because nasa first put it in space changes everything?
pretty sure its on pretty much every insurance policy, because its a basically free item for the company to add to the coverage list.. (its extremely unlikely to happen, and in lots of cases you can recover the money from the country of origin.
They HOPED it would burn up upon re-entry. Well, hope doesn't cut it. You're NASA for Christ's sake! You are supposed to KNOW!!! Hoping is completely and unequivocally irresponsible!!!
You forget your anniversary? You accidentally slept with her sister? You launched a tray of batteries off the international space station? When opps doesn't cover it there's BastardCard.
Ok. Who made the battery? Who did they make it for? What rocket lifted it to orbit? What system did it power? Which country’s astronauts used that system? What module of the ISS was that system in? Who made that module? Which country’s astronauts used that module? Who decided to let toxic batteries fall to earth? What agency does that person work for? Which astronaut bundled those batteries together? What country was that astronaut from? Which astronaut pushed the eject button? Where is that astronaut from? How much blame is there to go around? Who should be made to pay?
He doesn't think like a normal person. He thinks like someone who's always gotten everything he wanted so he's gotten used to wanting crazier and crazier stuff, and here we are.
X Corp was created to develop an app that would rival and encompass Twitter, Facebook, TH-cam, Yelp, Zoom, VOIP, MMS, and other social media apps and internet communication.
When psychologically unstable individuals develop high volume and frequency relationships with psychedelic drugs, the ego often 'ascends' to infinity and the resulting megalomania leads to absurd choices; like reinventing All the wheels, because everyone did it wrong prior to Them.
space trash hits a house and they space project caused it and are you saying they are refuse compensation to the home owner. That is so unfair of Americans.
@@falxonPSN NASA hasn't paid yet. The family had to hire an attorney. That wouldn't have been necessary if NASA did the right thing to begin with. The space junk problem is getting worse so these incidents will become more common. Imagine an airliner getting hit. Seems improbable, but could see it happening. Reality is often stranger than fiction. They need to reduce the amount of junk they allow to fall randomly versus controlled entry to a distant, uninhabited area.
It boggles my mind that I can't burn a brush pile of yard waste, yet we're not worried about all the space debris we create burning up in our upper atmosphere.
Can't expect NASA to pay for damage it causes. They never do and it's the classic American government agency not taking account for their actions is a classic.
There is a bit of a wrinkle to this story… NASA didn’t launch the pallet. Japan did. People outside the space community know about NASA and the Russians flying to the station… but they forget there are other partners with launch capabilities and one of the is JAXA, the Japanese space agency, and that pallet flew to space on one of their “H-II Transfer Vehicles” (aka “HTV”), in theory, possibly making JAXA ether partly or wholly the responsible party as the “Launching State”.
There is a bit of a wrinkle to this story… NASA didn’t launch the pallet. Japan did. People outside the space community know about NASA and the Russians flying to the station… but they forget there are other partners with launch capabilities and one of the is JAXA, the Japanese space agency, and that pallet flew to space on one of their “H-II Transfer Vehicles” (aka “HTV”), in theory, possibly making JAXA ether partly or wholly the responsible party as the “Launching State”.
Government, "Yeah we did that. It cost you a lot of money. But even though we waste trillions we are not even going to allow you to bring your grienvence to court despite what the first and forth ammendment says."
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If I threw a piece of garbage out of my car and somebody got into a wreck because of that I would be held liable so why should it be different for NASA?
If it was an anvil and not a piano, you sue ACME.
Considering that lawyers "shotgun" lawsuits, and sue, whoever may be involved, a certain coyote, that ordered that anvil, will probably also be sued.
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I thought ACME only made things that exploded
@@barnabusdoyle4930 anvil are also big seller😂😂
@@LAIRD.59 As I recall, their anvils are packed with C-4, but it’s been a while since I’ve seen them in action
In the old TV show, "Dead Like Me", the star gets killed when she is hit by the SkyLab toilet. LOL.
"Dead Like Me"... I loved that show. I know there was a full length first season and a second season (maybe slightly shorter ?) and then a one off film length episode later, I think. I think it could have gone on longer. Dead-Like-Me was a nicer version of, an earlier series "Good-vs-Evil". (That also had just 2 seasons, season 2 being re-named as "GvsE").
It was a toilet seat from Mir, not that the difference is particularly relevant, but the show is only a couple of decades old.
@@GeorgeVCohea-dw7ou I stand corrected. Thanks.
Depending on what countrys space junk... You put it up there, you allowed it to come down... Wherever it hit and damaged, you owe reparation...
"NASA has since confirmed the debris came from a 2.9-ton pallet of used batteries jettisoned from the International Space Station in March of 2021; the structure was expected to burn up completely in Earth's atmosphere. "
@@davidh9638 Orbital trajectories are complicated, but very predictable.
There is no reason whatsoever that you couldn't aim Space Garbage at the middle of the ocean.
So we’re blaming the government because gravity?
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor sure is, it’s called Cost and feasibility.
@@Matt-yg8ub "the ocean" is roughly 70% of the Earth's surface, so I'm not buying that. Statistically, you should hit it most of the time even if you aren't aiming.
How is NASA planning to cover such damages for other nations. Could have followed the same instrument for incidents within the country. Is absolute shameful there thought of applying different standards.
Do you remember people putting "Sky Lab Targets" on top of their houses?. As I recall somebody in Australia did get a piece.
The saddest part is that the government would rather spend money on lawyers than to spend the same money making the family whole.
I would be glad to pony up the 0.2 cents the country is being asked to pay
If you squint you can see the Allstate Mayhem Guy.
LOL, you mentioned SkyLab. Remember Taco Bell did a promotion where they put a "target" in the ocean and if it got hit by debris everyone in the USA could get a free taco.
You need to buy space junk insurance for your house or not covered.
Seems that their airspace was violated.
Actually Skylab wasn't abandoned as much as we destroyed or museumed all the remaining Apollo units that could have saved Skylab, and the Space Shuttle (that was supposed to lift it to a higher orbit, update it, and start supplying crews again) was delayed so many times that the Shuttle was still 2-3 years from first launch when Skylab had fallen past the point being salvageable. The last time NASA met a deadline was in 1969, and that after they killed 3 astronauts on the ground half-assing Apollo 1. (and may have been caught assassinating a whistleblower using a NASA train to cover up the event, by pretending he drove in front of it)
It is no longer about doing the right thing. I grew up near Langley Air Force Base. When I was young supersonic flight over land was still allowed. Every now and then one of the Sonic booms would knock out a window or two. Langley would send somebody out, look at the window and make sure it wasn't a baseball or something. Then they would send a crew out and they would fix the window. No money changed hands but it was taken care of.
For a while in the late '70s I worked at dahlgren naval surface weapons center. The guys there talked about when they were testing their land-based 16-in guns, every now and then they would get one that would fall short in Colonial Beach. Virginia. As soon as they got a report that it had landed there, they did not fire explosive shells, they would send somebody out. Look it over then they would send a crew and fix it. Money didn't change hands but it was taken care of.
Now the attitude is watch your budget, screw the civilians.
Now I would not be surprised if this started with an incident where somebody did the right thing and his boss said you didn't have the authority to spend that money. Word spread, nobody would stick their neck out to do the right thing.
And I am sure that the only reason that the victims of the toxic water at camp Lejeune was given any compensation was because of tremendous pressure on Congress. If I remember right, the move to compensate people who suffered from that was not initiated by the Navy or the Marines but rather by Congress. But I'm not 100% sure of that. I seem to recall that when I was in North Carolina in the '80s they were still denying any liability.
Gravity caused it. Sue Isaac Newton.
How many environmental laws did NASA violate by just dumping batteries almost certainly containing toxic materials into the environment rather than disposing of them properly?
we still call it twitter ;)
I could really see a takings argument here.
I’m sure Elon Musk is responsible somehow.
Good luck getting one penny from china
I didn't get any compensation for $40,000 fbi damages to my family home then driving off! US gov needs to be responsible for their damages to citizens property!
In my personal opinion, that is a 5th amendment violation.
I have copy right here to study! Thanks
If they get to waste unlimited citizen tax money to fight citizens in court they should be liable.
No individual should be held responsible for the misdeeds of the govt actors.
Governments should indeed be required to pay the damages when they damage or destroy civilian property... that just seems like a basic concept that should be enshrined in law. Perhaps if they knew the government would have to pay for damaged property they'd be less reckless with our things.
It's government....they'll spend 20x more than the settlement amount to fight it in court.
Its not government. Its illuminati and freemasons. Government doesn't exist, it's secret societies
And that 20x more is our money too.
@@MonkeyJedi99 Ohh it is cute that you think it is tax payers money lol.
Where is it from if not taxpayers?
@@kingdweeb5065 it's confiscated now. The Rich own it.
Shouldn’t their insurance company be going after NASA, NOT the family???
they only want few grand for damages the rest is emotional distress. The insurance company won't give them $60k for being scared
Not all policies cover falling objects.
Yes, the insurance company will pay the $15K in damages (less deductable). The family wants a payoff for "damages" not covered by insurance.
Insurance can subrogate after making the insure whole. The obstacle is that "not covering Acts of God or Government" clause. Insurance companies run away because they know the evil tricks governments are wont to use in order to avoid responsibility (i.e. Qualified Immunity, prosecuting witnesses, Sovereign Immunity, etc.).
Hope the family didn't have Allstate or State Farm to cover it. Most recent hurricane they covered less than 50 percent of damages.
We have a constitutional right to get made whole. The 9th Amendment is supposed to prevent the government from taking our rights even if not directly enumerated by the constitution, but the courts refuse to apply anything to our 9th Amendment right.
lmfao, you cant be serious. foh kid
Under the taking clause they owe but they might not get pain and suffering
@@patrickday4206Yeah unless someone dies I don’t think they get pain and suffering. They should get recouped the cost of repairs and cost of living while house is uninhabitable.
……and that is YOUR legal opinion.
no rights were taken in this case?
you know what I like about you? you are simply a rational guy that enjoys helping people rational law. a normal American. It's a pleasure listening to you
I think it would be much cheaper for NASA to just pay to repair the house than go though all the legal hoops
But it would be NASA that pays the bill, but the Justice Department that fights it in count. The thing with government (local, state, federal) lawyers is, they will fight and fight in court, even if it costs WAY more to fight it then to settle the claim. That is what the lawyers are paid to do.
It sets a precedent that they'll pay, which can bring more suits knowing that there's a chance they can get monies.
@@KISSMYACE3203 Yes and there's the chance that it could be some big damage they end up liable for in the future. On the other hand, it would have to be pretty severe to be more than a drop in the bucket for government budgets.
No, not really, NASA does not want to set the precedent that incurs liability Should anything else fall out of orbit.
@@KISSMYACE3203yea I think precedence is a key factor in this decision. But I think they are setting a bad precedence by involving lawyers . It should have been; debree orgins confirmed. Repair costs calculated. Repair costs paid. And only going the lawyer route if there is a discrepancy in the repair cost or some sort of pain and suffering reimbursement needed.
Are they implying that our country should take care of our own people? What a unique concept.
this Govt is more concerned with Ukraine
That's entirely crazy talk, that whole welfare clause only being for government and big business or some other hand wave.
A foreign concept.
@@Mike1614bjust stop.
@@spvillano "General welfare" ... as in every law must benefit everyone, not individuals.
There shouldn't need to be a law that makes NASA responsible for their equipment falling from orbit and smashing any property. That should just be automatic.
Yeah. Any government entity, anywhere, should automatically repair any damage they have caused. Forget whether you are allowed to sue them... It should just be automatic that they pay for repairs that occur both through their negligence or their standard operations. You break it, you bought it, in other words.
@@tin2001 That's how I was raised.🤷🏻
@geekfreak618 Especially in this case where people are able to identify the debris and identify where it came from. This should be a no-brainer.
I'm surprised that NASA didn't have the FBI raid the house to retrieve their property.
Very cynical. I Stand with Our FBI 🎗️
@@carlyellison8498It is not cynical when it is realistic.
I thought they only did that when the widows of NASA scientists try to offload trinkets their husbands brought home.
If they did that that could make them liable.😂
@@Kilmej78 They'd still try to talk their way out of it.
This is especially egregious because when de-orbiting, there is usually great care taken to ensure that stuff burns up over the oceans. You know, it's Earth, so that's actually pretty hard to miss that bad.
That doesn't mean it will burn up 100%... proof is evident with meteorites and asteroids.
Once an unpowered piece of debris is ejected from an object in orbit not even the great Cray supercomputer can predict where it will come down more precisely than a 500 x 15000 mile box. Spacecraft are not unpowered. This is why Starliner is stuck up there now. They can't control it.
The battery pack had an uncontrolled reentry. For larger satellites that are expected to have parts survive reentry they do a controlled reentry.
NASA air-balled a wide open layup.
@@robert20770I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that Congress did not give them the funding they needed to de-orbit smaller parts like this
If the government causes private damage, but refuses to pay for it, doesn't that amount to a 5th amendment taking?
Too bad we need a law passed for the government agencies to do the right thing.
It is actually a good thing. They can only spend TAX money authorized by law. They cant do whatever they want.
good luck
Even if the law exists(and it does) what's to stop the government from deciding it's in their best interest to not do the right thing.... Plenty of evidence in history of the government deciding ehh... No I won't do that thing I promised
@@jaykoerner when does the government do the right thing? What happened to safe and effective, my friends are dead and dying from disease.
@@janerockstar they never did.... I'm not sure where you got the delusion that the government was ever good, they are simply better than the alternative
Sell the space junk that hit their house. There are always rich collectors who'll buy anything.
unfortunately, not how that works. Oversaturated market, plus it is basically indistinguishable from crap you can go pull from your local junkyard. The Beanie Baby problem.
Maybe not a pallet of space turds.
Question from an old retired litigation paralegal: If an airline crashes and debris hits a house, who is responsible? Is there an altitude limit that applies to aircraft but not space junk? Really enjoy your channel Steve.
The International Space Station is technically within Earth's atmosphere. (It's just really really thin up there).
And if I threw a concrete block into my neighbors house, I'd be responsible for the cost to fix things. Why should it matter if I threw it into low orbit and it went around the earth a few times before hitting their house?
I think the difference is NASA holds sovereign immunity
@@heroslippy6666 Yes, absolutely. I'm older than Steve Lehto and remember when the whole thing started and was put into orbit then basically abandoned. Now with the multitude of lower altitude satellites Musk/SpaceX has launched, I have no doubt they will be falling out of orbit sooner. But none of answers the question of who is liable if an aircraft crashes and debris hits a home. Is it an altitude limit? Peace out.
@@justliberty4072 I'm not sure it's a what does it matter issue. Legally is it an altitude difference? Why are airlines liable but not the Space Station or other satellites in lower altitudes like the multitude Musk has put up. They will come down. Does Musk/SpaceX have the same immunity as NASA is getting with the Space Station debris because he has government contracts? If you research how darn much is orbiting the earth the sheer number is mind boggling. Peace out.
If the home owner wants the damage to be repaired ... ask a foreign nation to help you out. Make sure it gets publicized
Specifically, ask a nation America isn't friendly with.
During the Cold War, a small town had their rickety footbridge, the only path out of town that wasn't private property, fall apart. The town was so small and rural, there was no tax money to pay for a new public bridge. (They literally appointed a mayor for the first time in order to get this dealt with, his term ended after a bridge was paid for and under construction.) The state refused to pay and called it a federal matter. The feds refused to pay and said it was a state matter. So, out of options, the town wrote to the Soviet Union to request foreign aid to pay for the bridge.
They didn't actually want the Soviets to pay for the bridge. They wanted exactly what happened.
The USSR decided to respond by sending a journalist. By the end of that same day, state and feds had settled who was responsible for the bridge and some US department paid for a new road bridge.
So, in this case... if you want to pull a Cold War thing, write to China about it. Or, because it's aerospace, write to Russia about it. They probably won't fix anything, but it might get America to throw money at the problem for the same reason they paid for that bridge so quickly once the USSR was in the loop.
I think there may be a precedent here. There have been several cases where the military has unintentionally dropped bombs on citizen's property, resulting in damage. In most, if not all of those cases, the government paid for the damages.
I would love to hear Steve's take on the Constitution protecting our right to sue the government as a "redress of grievances". In other words, we don't need their individual "permission" for each and every kind of instance because the Constitution already specifically states we have that right.
Couldnt they sue as a takings clause ?the government deprived them of thier property
Most of the suit is pain and suffering but yeah for the few thousand yes under the new ruling damages under the taking clause
they didnt deprive them of anything whatsoever, and they did not take anything either.
At the time of its release this was the single largest amount of mass ever jettisoned from the station.. And it wasn't the original plan either.. The pallet of batteries was supposed to be put on board a transport vessel for a controlled and safe re-entry but some issues with the schedule caused by a Russian spacecraft failure forced them to do it this way.
Interestingly per the space treaty you reference, if a SpaceX craft causes damage in another country it's the US government that's responsible for damages. So the FAA does have some regulatory authority for US spacecraft (like Starship) that re-enter the atmosphere outside of US territory.
I call BS. (Not on you.) Anyone familiar with the Apollo 13 mission knows that great care was taken to jettison the lunar module (which would not have returned to earth if the mission went as planned) so that it would end up in the deepest part of the Pacific Ocean. If the NASA folks could manage that degree of precision clear back in 1970, when computers filled entire rooms and could just about add 2 + 2 and come up with 4, and the average modern car has more computer capacity than the spacecrafts that went to the moon and back, surely someone with at least half a brain could have plotted a safe return trajectory for that piece of junk. But no... apparently they just threw it out the hatch and crossed their fingers that it would burn up in the atmosphere.
@@CrankyBeachthe lunar module was jettisoned at a much lower altitude in a more or less controlled way. The pallet was jettisoned much higher and would have done a couple of orbits before reentry and that’s way harder to calculate. Obviously not the best way but a few thousand pounds of spent batteries is a pretty dangerous thing to keep on the space station.
Ben's still over Steve's left shoulder over NY plate LAW4NYC
I remember when the shuttle went down over East Texas. I was home with a bad case of flu and heard the huge Boom and felt it shake the house. There were pieces of debris everywhere and the press, lookie loos and federal authorities descended on the region looking for stuff leaving gates open letting cattle out, and generally being a menace to civilization but I don’t recall anything hitting anyone’s house.
Nasa also refused to admit they damaged shuttle Columbia.
I remember spotting the damage during ascent on the live cam they had mounted to one of SRBs.
I believe that some parts hit buildings including at least one house
It is absolutely egregious if they don't pay him
Imagine a bunch of astronauts throwing batteries at your family.
Governments should always pay for the damages they were involved with ❤
Pay these people. They probably pay at least that much for a toilet seat. You jettison something from a space station, you should pay if it lands on something.
I have a feeling that the homeowners repair costs would probably not exceed NASA's two-day costs for morning Coffee and Pastries.
Well, see that's what happens when you don't get all of a Quote.
Jack Horkheimer always said "Keep Looking Up".
But because of times constraints of his segments.
They never got the "AND, Always Wear A Helmet" part in his show 😂
... rest in peace my friend 😇✨😇
Was Skylab technically just a Mobile Home 🤔
Ahh, questions of universe we may never know 😏
"Hellooo fellow staaarrrrrrgazerrrrrs"
@@GeneralChangFromDanang
That does make a Good Joke.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT, "MY EYES ARE DOWN HERE" 😂
... yeah, im a boob 😏✨
If they send it up, they need to take responsible.
They don’t pay to make repairs….the family gets to keep whatever hit their house
So if an F-35 crashes onto my house, I get to keep it if the government doesn’t pay for the repairs to my house? I’m ok with that trade off
And do what they want with it, including selling it.
If it can be proven that the item has flown in space, yes, there might be a market for it. I’d be in contact with The Space Store, an online merchant of space related stuff. Tiny fragments of heat shielding - and I mean TINY - from Apollo, the shuttles, etc. are available for sale.
@@barnabusdoyle4930 What are you going to a pile of scrap metal and burned composite materials that is still classified and under ITAR?
@@obsidianjane4413 ITAR. Lel. Remember the botched retreat from Afghanistan? What about ITAR for all of those vehicles and weapons abandoned to the Taliban.
The federal government's say as to its disposition ended the nanosecond they abandoned it in space.
Same as the M4 carbines, Bradley fighting vehicles, M1 Abrams tanks, HMMWVs, M2A1 .50 caliber machine guns, thermal sights, night vision goggles, sets of body armor, and aircraft the Taliban picked up in thewillful and intentional *rout* of this administration's making.
The constitution already covers this. Government can't deprive people of property, and must compensate when they do.
I guarantee you, the constitution does not guarantee that you have to be compensated by your insurance company when a piece of junk falls out of orbit
@@Matt-yg8ub It does however guarantee that the government must compensate you for loss of and damage to property.
You are correct. It seems even the lawyers have forgotten. Recently, a woman whose home was destroyed by law enforcement sued the city under 5th amendment takings clause and won. It is the one thing that can pierce the sovereign immunity doctrine without any laws being passed.
@@peoplez129 you understand the concept of force majeure?
The government is not responsible for shit that falls from the heavens
@@Matt-yg8ub It is when they made it. Force majeure is an insurance term, not a civil term. If a tree from my property falls on my neighbors house, I have to pay for it. Force majeure isn't going to get me off the hook.
This is one of the few irrational fears I have Steve; aircraft flying above me and space junk. This is not putting my mind at ease, and if anything, it also reminded me of my rational fear of the justice system.
If it makes you feel any better none of what you fear has to be man-made.... There's records of at least one person being killed by a direct meteorite, and if an asteroid hits us you'll have plenty of friends to go with you
It's not completely irrational. Earth has been hit by meteors in the past & we pass thru large meteor streams twice a year. Next one is in October or November I believe.
Also scared of meteorites, but i feel as though since theyve been up there for god knows how long, and we have only left terra firma for the past 120 years, that I would have that much less of an influence on that type of stuff zipping around in the depths of space. Humans didn't put that stuff up there, its always and will always be up there. Humans or not.
@@paulanderson9650 we can't destroy the entire planet... The stuff that was already in space can
We're going to see a lot of this over the next 30ish years and beyond.
The trouble is identifying which country or agency is responsible.
If a 100 pound piece of burned up metal detritus goes through my windshield in Nevada and injures/kills my passenger, who do I sue? There's so much in orbit, it could belong to any country.
You could set up a dart board on one end of a football field and throw darts at it from the other end and be more likely to get a bullseye than a piece of space debris hitting a structure. This is the most man bites dog story possible.
something thats 100 pounds would be large enough to be tracked
@@smalltime0 Certainly, but my point is "Who's?".
Next spam phone call will be to sell you space junk damage insurance !
Ben hiding on top of the book over the New York license plate, Steve's left shoulder, top shelf.
I'm still arguing with PennDOT to replace my driver's side mirror from last winter.
Good luck with a space junk claim.
Won't homeowners insurance cover that. Or do those slimy ( excrement from a popular sport fish ) claim that as an act of God
"Excrement from a popular sport fish"??
The US gov't has used the person's house as a depository of its unwanted material. That is a taking of the property. The gov't must pay for such a taking. US Const 5th Amd..."nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." See also Arkansas Game & Fish Commission v. United States, 568 U.S. 23 (2012).
@@baronvonslambert This is a pretty clear-cut case of illegal dumping.
@@baronvonslambert I really don't think it's a stretch. The government, through their own actions, deprived those people of a portion of their property's value by damaging it. Is that not a taking? If the takings clause doesn't provide relief for those who've had their property confiscated or destroyed by their government, what is its purpose?
@@oktayyildirim2911 Nope, not a taking. To be a taking, it would have to be deliberate, and if this were deliberate, it would _also_ be attempted murder. This would fall under negligence.
@@HiddenWindshield Didn't the SCOTUS rule in the 19th century that inadvertent damage constitutes a taking? IIRC, the government did something that ended up flooding a farmer's land, and the court ruled that the farmer was due compensation under the takings clause.
@@oktayyildirim2911 I believe the case you're talking about is Bothwell v. United States, 254 U.S. 231 (1920). The government _did_ pay for the land that was lost, as that was a deliberately intended outcome; they wanted a big lake. However, the plaintiff was _not_ compensated for either the hay that was stored on the land and destroyed by the floodwaters, or the fact that he had to sell his cattle at below market price because he didn't have anywhere to keep them.
Two sets of rules ! Two different punishments depending on who you are . If your not stupid how much more proof will it take to make you .000001% smarter than a rock .?
I found while studying rocks. They're smart, the coincide with a I. irocks on the sidewalk are public domain.
@@kellybrandon1179huh?
@jimdavis1566 they are like relay sensors to open m shut electric avenues. Utah cops asked if I was an expert in rocks in 2019. That's the year ford canyon mountain scape changed, in centerville utah. Rocks carry energy. Lava rocks get smarter with age. A quarter size quarts rock will hold data. I'm not expert but been on to it since 2018 spring. Utahs subterranean is 7 years old in November. The less one knows about mountain engineering the better off one is...
@@kellybrandon1179 how did you interpret this intelligence ? How long was the interview ? Now was this first hand conversation or hear say ? And at what point in your life did you start talking to rocks and they start answering you back ? What was there IQ score ?
@@georgedeedsnotwords2162 George, a I has not I q. It's simply hear say. Communication with rocks come from watch command, radio frequency identification, RFID and wifi. Other items that coincide with RFID and wifi are glass and aluminum.
The 18th floor piano might not be negligence... if it was malicious.
NASA does have authority to compensate - up to around $40,000 or so. The problem is the damage is closer to $85,000 or so, and NASA needs to go to Congress to approve such a thing. Thus the problem - NASA wants to compensate but they're hamstrung in that they can't pay all of it without going up the chain. Likely they tried to do that but the family obviously doesn't want to be partially compensated for their loss. And its likely its stuck in Congress waiting for approval which will take decades to come.
That's when its the media's job to question members congress or the president about it.
If there was an earthquake in a city that's never had earthquakes before, and it caused the piano to slide through a large window, I imagine that could create a falling piano without negligence.
well, you should still prevent people from walking under lifted loads (or whatever the term in english is), for example by barricading off the ground below.
@@unitrader403 are you saying everyone who has a heavy appliance in an apartment needs to barricade the ground around all their windows?
Sell it at auction that has to be worth a lot of money to collectors.
Then they tax it.
Technically its junk. That should be illegal dumping charges.
When Skylab de-orbited, a radio station in California offered $10K to the first person to bring in a piece of it. A kid in Australia got ahold of a piece, got on a plane with his parents, and collected the $10K. True story.
A scenario where a falling piano wouldn't be negligence? If it was intentionally dropped on him? I mean that would be attempted murder not negligence.
This sounds just like that comedy "Dead Like Me" where a girl was killed by a toilet seat from SkyLab and she became a reaper taking people's souls just before they die. 😁
This recently happened in rural Saskatchewan. Bits of a SpaceX rocket landed in the fields. SpaceX personnel showed up to collect their debris. A sum of money was offered as compensation, otherwise SpaceX was very tight lipped. No lasting damage and we had an interesting local story on the news.
not sure how it could get there.. this is *very* far away from any reasonable launch corridor...
@@unitrader403 Spacecraft tend to go all the way around the world...
Who manufactured the batteries? Go after them as they commited engineering malpractice because it didn't burn up as NASA was told it would.
Sell the space junk, make the money to pay to fix it. Property abandonment from the space agency.
Have you ever seen the inside of a used battery, burned at that? Maybe a little crumbly carbon residue at best.
The government took it.
This our property since we pay taxes
They were trying to save Skylab. But the delays in the shuttle program didn't allow any way to save or direct the orbit. All anybody could do was stand and watch. Then hope it fell someplace vacant.
they can spend millions of dollars on a toilet but not $50,000 or so to repair someone's house
Yeah, they should probably settle. However -
Have *you* ever tried making a toilet that works WITHOUT GRAVITY?!?!? I mean... yuck! Talk about floaters..... 🤢
@@darkwinter7395literally 😂
They are suing for the emotional trauma. I read insurance paid for the damages. NASA should absolutely pay for physical damages though.
The US goverment needs to nust come out, tell these people, "I am so sorry, we fucked up.". Then hand those people a check for the cost of repairs, a place to stay during repairs, and a little extra money. It shouldnt need a court or a law suit for them to do that. It just needs to happen, and the govwrnment weaseling their way out, or trying to, just shows how terrible they are, and how they should t be in charge or given power. They are failures.
Everyone is held accountable except government.
Kind of the same situation as children having trouble making their parents do things, when someone has absolute power they also have the absolute power to ignore any promises
Ignorance of the law is a job asset, if you wear a badge.
@@MonkeyJedi99 I thought that was knowing the law and not caring,
And if you wear a fancy robe it's instead being able to reinterpret laws at will to f over as many people as possible
Doesn't the FAA regulate the airspace including stuff on the way to and from space? Why don't the laws and regs that address stuff flung or flown thru the air regardless of departure or intended destination apply? How is this different from a government owned plane crashing on your house?
It sounds like the old question, if a plane crashes on the border of the US and Canada where they bury the survivors?
Why does it have to be a different law just because where the item came from? If it came from the road (car) the owner would be liable right? Just because nasa first put it in space changes everything?
Wouldn't this be an insurance matter? Then the insurance company tries to sue to collect?
pretty sure its on pretty much every insurance policy, because its a basically free item for the company to add to the coverage list.. (its extremely unlikely to happen, and in lots of cases you can recover the money from the country of origin.
Ben is hiding under the pink floyd all access card. (On top of the book below the card)
They HOPED it would burn up upon re-entry. Well, hope doesn't cut it. You're NASA for Christ's sake! You are supposed to KNOW!!! Hoping is completely and unequivocally irresponsible!!!
You forget your anniversary? You accidentally slept with her sister?
You launched a tray of batteries off the international space station?
When opps doesn't cover it there's BastardCard.
They're willing to take the chance... with someone else's life and property.
DEVO "Space Junk" And now my Sally's dead.
Someone call Wall-E
The NAME is clue:
INTERNATIONAL Space Station.
Who-ever made it,pays it.
Ok.
Who made the battery?
Who did they make it for?
What rocket lifted it to orbit?
What system did it power?
Which country’s astronauts used that system?
What module of the ISS was that system in?
Who made that module?
Which country’s astronauts used that module?
Who decided to let toxic batteries fall to earth?
What agency does that person work for?
Which astronaut bundled those batteries together?
What country was that astronaut from?
Which astronaut pushed the eject button?
Where is that astronaut from?
How much blame is there to go around?
Who should be made to pay?
@@ordinaryman1904 split the cost across all agencies by percentage of astronauts they sent up in the last 5 years
Is space junk ever a listed peril in any insurance policy? 😀
So absurd he renamed twitter, ill never understand that
He's had this obsession since early adulthood. I read that he tried to rename Paypal to X in his 20s but investors didn't let him
He doesn't think like a normal person. He thinks like someone who's always gotten everything he wanted so he's gotten used to wanting crazier and crazier stuff, and here we are.
That’s an odd thing to be mad about lol. I a, more concerned with him wanting to microchip brains.
X Corp was created to develop an app that would rival and encompass Twitter, Facebook, TH-cam, Yelp, Zoom, VOIP, MMS, and other social media apps and internet communication.
When psychologically unstable individuals develop high volume and frequency relationships with psychedelic drugs, the ego often 'ascends' to infinity and the resulting megalomania leads to absurd choices; like reinventing All the wheels, because everyone did it wrong prior to Them.
Not being able to sue the government due to government sovereignty sounds a lot like "the king can do no wrong'.
If it had hit anyone, would it have been assault and BATTERY?
Aggravated battery with a battery.
wait until the ISS comes back to earth in 5-10 years.
space trash hits a house and they space project caused it and are you saying they are refuse compensation to the home owner. That is so unfair of Americans.
To be clear, no one has said NASA is refusing anything.
@@falxonPSN then the family home will get repaired . End discussion
@@falxonPSN NASA hasn't paid yet. The family had to hire an attorney. That wouldn't have been necessary if NASA did the right thing to begin with. The space junk problem is getting worse so these incidents will become more common. Imagine an airliner getting hit. Seems improbable, but could see it happening. Reality is often stranger than fiction. They need to reduce the amount of junk they allow to fall randomly versus controlled entry to a distant, uninhabited area.
Florida man cannot stay out of the news
We are looking pretty stupid for this action.
Just this one? Lmao.
@@mikepalmer1971 Of course not... Just not deviating from the topic at hand. Living in the moment so to speak without meandering.
There was a tv series based on Skylab The afterlife of a woman who got hit by a Skylab toilet seat.
Dead Like Me
It boggles my mind that I can't burn a brush pile of yard waste, yet we're not worried about all the space debris we create burning up in our upper atmosphere.
Do you suggest we just keep it up there?
It’s not being ignored you are just following social media for your news.
Of course it boggles your mind. Bless your heart.
There's far fewer people on space stations than there are people wanting to burn their yard waste.
Most rules against burning are to try and protect against brush/forest fires.
"Sheriff Obie, I cannot tell a lie. I PUT those markings on the space station batteries that fell through those people's roof."
at Alice's Restaurant
Can't expect NASA to pay for damage it causes. They never do and it's the classic American government agency not taking account for their actions is a classic.
There is a bit of a wrinkle to this story… NASA didn’t launch the pallet.
Japan did.
People outside the space community know about NASA and the Russians flying to the station… but they forget there are other partners with launch capabilities and one of the is JAXA, the Japanese space agency, and that pallet flew to space on one of their “H-II Transfer Vehicles” (aka “HTV”), in theory, possibly making JAXA ether partly or wholly the responsible party as the “Launching State”.
Ben remains on the books over the LAW4NYC number plate.
There is a bit of a wrinkle to this story… NASA didn’t launch the pallet.
Japan did.
People outside the space community know about NASA and the Russians flying to the station… but they forget there are other partners with launch capabilities and one of the is JAXA, the Japanese space agency, and that pallet flew to space on one of their “H-II Transfer Vehicles” (aka “HTV”), in theory, possibly making JAXA ether partly or wholly the responsible party as the “Launching State”.
Damn
*I had a SkyLab T-Shirt.*
*Home Owner's Insurance should pay for the repairs. That company should go after NASA.*
Government, "Yeah we did that. It cost you a lot of money. But even though we waste trillions we are not even going to allow you to bring your grienvence to court despite what the first and forth ammendment says."
I'm certainly not going to be launching any rockets if i'm liable for the damages if/when it lands on someone's house.
Probably doesn't count if you mount either an RDS-31 or a W-87 within the nosecone fairing.