Lord Tippington the Wise - Atheist Knight of Le Reddit Gentlesirs 10% is pretty regular, it isn't exactly the 1% or the 0.1%. You don't see someone in the 10% and think "man, I wish I was rich like that guy"
Well using a rule-of-thumb 20% of annual salary as affordability limit, for an S3 with starting price $43k you'd need to be making $215k. That's top 5% just to get base spec.
y3mble My question is, what is up with this arbitrary "20% of annual salary" bullshit. People have absolutely no problem taking out 15 and 30 year mortgages on houses they can't afford, but when it comes to a car, that must be only 20% of 1 years' salary. I call bullshit. There are plenty of cars you can buy that will depreciate none or very little; 997 GT3 and GT3 RS, Ferrari 360 stick, Gallardo stick, older Dodge Viper and even newer Dodge Vipers, first and second gen R8s with manuals (because the manual is no longer offered) All of these cars wont depreciate much or at all. So if someone making 100k wants to have a Ferrari, then they can make some sacrifices in other areas of their life and get that Ferrari. Getting a 150k house instead of a 250k house for example, or just not living in as expensive of a neighborhood for example etc. These cars can be had for non 1%-ers, and they can be had without putting yourself in a financial crisis. And yes, in the area that I live, you can get a 1600 sq ft renovated house with a garage for 150k.
You'd get killed much more on depreciation on a new S3 than on, say, a 7 year old R8. Sure the running costs are massive in comparison but depreciation on old exotics isn't really a problem unless you wreck it
Yeah I thought this, if anything it might start appreciating especially if you grab a manual and since the R8 is effectively a RS4 under the hood it means maintenance won't be too silly.
yea, his thought process is broken. 10 year old+ supercars tend to have already have taken their depreciation hit and if anything begin to climb back in value.
I agree. The depreciation on a 2009 R8 4.2 would likely be less than the new S3's tumbling value over the next 5 years. Same with the maintenance, the 4.2 isn't really i stressed engine. Really, the most significant cost difference here is not having a warranty) and potentially insurance, depending on your mileage).
Looking at an S3 now and just seen this comment, with a bit of the depreciation already hitting it since this review, do we think now it’s a good option?
I can say the same thing about a '92 civic and it'll still be more reliable basing off of your comparison. But in the end I prefer the super car instead of the S3
I just returned from a 5k road trip to drive the Cabot Trail (Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia, Canada) in my 2015 S3 - after 3 years still very quick, still suction cup handling (new Michelin 4S rubber), still a comfortable cruiser, all at 35MPG (hwy). Three years of automotive delight with zero problems.
Awesome review!! You always manage to make them so much more interesting to watch than anyone else!! P.S. Thanks a lot for not wearing the distracting necklace during filming
Yeah, the call it "safe understeer" , most fwd bias cars have it, but Audi's mostly understeer because they have so much weight forward of the front axle.
i agree whole-heartedly. if you're looking to add to your collection, then yes, by all means grab that classic exotic. if you want a nice daily driver just buy something new and sensible - it's still going to be heaps of fun on the road.
This is one of the best cars to buy in the 50k range. Used around 36k. Does everything well its pretty its fast and practical. Also the cabin is similar if not better and more comfortable than an R8
Great review. I researched quite a bit, like you say, a car you can push without worries. Just ordered my 2018 S3, planning an APR Stage II tune and this will kill an RS3 for $17,000 less! 386 HP and 409 ft lbs of torque for less than $2000. Better fuel economy as well. I priced both at several dealers.
supercars lack behind in terms of interior are you kidding me.Look at paganis and Ferrari.These days Lamborghini is making interiors like fighter planes
in my mind a f12 interior is still better in terms of design than let's say a BMW.Even in terms of quality they aren't bad.Look at Alfa 8c interior it looks like it's been designed by art
Paganis and those Lamborghinis with "the cockpit of a fighter plane" are considered hyper cars today. Those type of cars were the "supercars" of yesteryear, and I would have to agree that they were definitely found wanting in the area of interior design. It seems that more time was spent focusing on the exterior design and the overall experience of the car--the engine and exhaust sound, brakes, straight-line and cornering performance--than what's going on inside. (See Ferrari F40's "door releasing" device and it's [lack of] carpet.)
LOL are you stupid? He's comparing OLD supercars, only a small handful of which are in the price range of this car, which no, definitely do not have a better interior than this. And even if they did, don't be stupid and compare a Ferrari F12 to an Audi S3...
i do not get the deprecation argument. That new S3 will loose half it's value in 3-4 years, a supercar for the same price would definitely not. Yes it would cost much more to run but would it really be more expensive in the end ? i am not convinced
You can get this thing to rock pretty hard. Upgrade a chip, maybe a larger turbo? If not increase the boost, larger air intake...you can get this S3 to pump out 400hp easily
I have one of these which I have had since October 2015. It's great car however a major disappointment this winter. I got her stuck in a few inches of snow while she was wearing winter tires. I was able to get her unstuck. I drive my car 40-50,000 km per year. I felt like setting her on fire when this occurred. I didn't but I felt like selling it. The issue has yet to be resolved by Audi. Other than that the car has been great.
A fully kitted S3 is around $52,000. Certainly not supercar territory but definitely in the range of a used Z06, M3, used lightly equipped Cayman S3, or a well used Evora.
Even an S3 has performance greatly in excess of what you can reasonably safely use on U.K. roads. I own a 2016 hatchback in Daytona gray. It’s fantastic but oh too fast to use all of more than 2nd gear in the rural roads around me. For 3rd towards the red line, you need a good A-Road and eyes on stalks. More than that and it’s a drive to the nearest M-way, which personally I find dull. Logically, I have an overpowered car. Which is why I’m about to buy a tuning box to take it to around 360bhp, placing it close to earlier model RS3 output.
While I am a German car person. There is no comparison to a proper supercar. Specifically Italian supercars are built to NO compromise. Driving/experience is the number one priority. That's why.
In the beginning he is talking like a new Audi S3 isn't going to depreciate lmao... a used supercar will probably depreciate a lot less, since the first owner took the first-biggest hit (if it was a regular supercar ofc, and not a collectable one).
I think you need to look at a depreciation curve as a 10 -15 year old premium car will be losing a LOT less than any new car. Maintenance and Insurance however... OUCH!
I bought an s3 changed a few exhaust parts, tuned it with e85 and smashed all over an m4 17 zl1 18 and couple other really nice fast cars. Buy the car you like people. Was going to buy a used gtr for 55k but got a new s3 instead cause the gtr just that no one drives a gtr slow and it was due for thousand of dollars in repairs soon brakes oil etc... So in reality buy what is practical for you and you wallet!
This car has too much turbo lag. Audi has the technology to end lag (electric turbochargers) but insists on these laggy engines in their sport(ish) cars. Unacceptable.
João Soares I wouldn't mind that as I got a twin turbo v6 from ford and it has a little lag but I never notice I'm sure the Audi turbo engines are less laggy
this is why I'm leasing one. drive the hell out of it for 4 years, and then bring it back and get a new one before the warranty ends. You can lease one of these things nowadays for the same price as the finance price in a Kia.
Ha! I'm a car person (and a bike person) and I'd take the S3 every time because I don't want my bank balance/soul destroyed. If you can't afford to run don't buy no matter how much you may want it in the long run its very likely it won't be worth it. Just my two cents though, I'm sure plenty will disagree and that's fine, this is just what I'd do.
Audi s3 stage 2 tune. Done! adds the life to a nicer looking Golf R for $35k preowned started out higher priced than a VW but 12-24 months later can find similar price of both.
After going on the s3 configurator today, the s3 has such a boring exterior for car which underneath is brash and quick and inside is miles better than its competitor, the cla, but on the exterior the cla looks like a much better car, oh and a used Audi R8 is probably around this price right
+Richard Harrold oh sorry when I saw the m and the 35i I assumed it was a 2 in between, but that doesn't have a saloon or saloon/coupe version like Audi and Mercedes
Good luck buying a used R8 for $50k. The current generation starts around $150 new. I suspect a used prior gen R8 would still command north of $85k if you can find one.
If you're too scared of a true exotic, just pick up an NSX. They can be had for less than an S3 (still) and won't depreciate anymore. Or if you want the fun but a modern car, maybe an m140i or something.
He is keep saying old super car depreciating. 10 year old super car already depreciated almost fully. But new Audi will depreciate more than 25% a year.
Not liking Audi aside, I would always get a brand new car over an old used up super car. The interiors on old super cars are SHIT, the rides are completely uncomfortable and most of them don't even have A/C, much less cupholders. You can't compare picking a daily driver with a super car thats just silly. The purpose of both are totally different. I will take Tesla's features, screen and comfort over a 800hp any day. What do I need all that HP for? To sound cool while I'm stuck in traffic everyday?
Your comment shows that you did not get the point. Comparing a normal new car with a used super car makes no sense. But most people who drive everyday from A to B don't really need a super car anyway.
I bought an S3 this weekend, and the Finance manager told me he had an S5, but would prefer the S3 at this point. His primary reason seemed to be that the S3 was a 4 door, whereas the S5 is a 2 door. They're actually almost identical from a performance standpoint, but obviously the S3 is a smaller car. So it just comes down to personal preference. I can tell you I was trying to decide between an S3 and S4 and after driving both, preferred the S3. Plus, it's a little less $$, which is always nice. Good luck whichever way you go, and congrats!
could buy a used inbetween supercar such as a lotus wouldn't cost the earth to buy or maintain. and i would call an brand new audi settling as it looks like the same as an audi a1. audi's look like shoes sizes to alot of people out there.
The "buy new or used" argument misses out on an important detail. It is much cheaper to buy a new car than a used car, APRs are significantly lower and dealer contributions are much higher. If you're buying a new car you're batshit if you buy it cash as it'll be worth half what you paid in 3 years. Buying cash? Buy used. Buying on finance? Buy new.
So you keep mentioning depreciation but Audi's don't hold value and would probably lose value quicker than most older sports cars. Although repairs would be killer...
you could buy an early GTR for the money which is about the best supercar for just over £30k. Put a personal plate on it and 9/10 people wont even know your driving a 7y old supercar, yeah tax is high expensive to run but look at the car you would be driving in, a genuine supercar with over 190mph top speed and 3.5s to 60mph
2-3 yr old Pre-Certified and buy the least expensive best car you can get your hands on. Bought, drove for 1.5 years and only cost me $1k +tax-title to own.
Never thought I'd see the day when someone tried to justify a new S3 as a "compromise" to a supercar. A reflection of today's "buy now/pay later" society.
Id rather have a 16' plate s3 over 2001 Lamborghini any day. "ive worked hard for this great all-rounder that drives fantastically" or "ive not accepted that I'm a normal person in a normal job so I now cringe evey time I approach a speed bump or the throttle" fucking stupid.
As nice and as conformist it is, I was rather hoping the Audi was just a price yardstick and the report would be on 928's or Esprits or 993/6's for similar money. Maybe an Alpine A610 or Venturi for left-field interest. But no. Oh, and older era supercar prices are on the up and this'll lose 30% of its value in the first year... :o/
I really think that a better question for us regular folks is should you buy a new small city car or used Audi.
Not really, for (statistically) at least 10% of the people watching this, this is a question that they could be asking.
+gmansplit He said "regular folks".
Lord Tippington the Wise - Atheist Knight of Le Reddit Gentlesirs 10% is pretty regular, it isn't exactly the 1% or the 0.1%. You don't see someone in the 10% and think "man, I wish I was rich like that guy"
Well using a rule-of-thumb 20% of annual salary as affordability limit, for an S3 with starting price $43k you'd need to be making $215k. That's top 5% just to get base spec.
y3mble My question is, what is up with this arbitrary "20% of annual salary" bullshit. People have absolutely no problem taking out 15 and 30 year mortgages on houses they can't afford, but when it comes to a car, that must be only 20% of 1 years' salary. I call bullshit. There are plenty of cars you can buy that will depreciate none or very little; 997 GT3 and GT3 RS, Ferrari 360 stick, Gallardo stick, older Dodge Viper and even newer Dodge Vipers, first and second gen R8s with manuals (because the manual is no longer offered) All of these cars wont depreciate much or at all. So if someone making 100k wants to have a Ferrari, then they can make some sacrifices in other areas of their life and get that Ferrari. Getting a 150k house instead of a 250k house for example, or just not living in as expensive of a neighborhood for example etc. These cars can be had for non 1%-ers, and they can be had without putting yourself in a financial crisis. And yes, in the area that I live, you can get a 1600 sq ft renovated house with a garage for 150k.
The new S3 is pretty tits!
U make me wet
You really like that car? Idk, to me it seems like a overpriced Golf GTI
It's the same as a Golf R, not the GTI.
It's different. I like the Golf R a lot, this is just a "fancy version" of it! :) I wouldn't necessarily buy one, but I do like it a lot.
hit it, ale!
You'd get killed much more on depreciation on a new S3 than on, say, a 7 year old R8. Sure the running costs are massive in comparison but depreciation on old exotics isn't really a problem unless you wreck it
Yeah I thought this, if anything it might start appreciating especially if you grab a manual and since the R8 is effectively a RS4 under the hood it means maintenance won't be too silly.
yea, his thought process is broken. 10 year old+ supercars tend to have already have taken their depreciation hit and if anything begin to climb back in value.
I agree. The depreciation on a 2009 R8 4.2 would likely be less than the new S3's tumbling value over the next 5 years. Same with the maintenance, the 4.2 isn't really i stressed engine. Really, the most significant cost difference here is not having a warranty) and potentially insurance, depending on your mileage).
Another in agreement. This video sounded more like an advertisement for Audi...
Looking at an S3 now and just seen this comment, with a bit of the depreciation already hitting it since this review, do we think now it’s a good option?
I'd buy a used Audi S3 and tune it up to be faster than todays supercars
the only smart person here.
what i was thinking
I can say the same thing about a '92 civic and it'll still be more reliable basing off of your comparison. But in the end I prefer the super car instead of the S3
Why not an evo for even less money? Not much difference here.
***** true!...you know enough that's for sure! hahaha!
This will depreciate way faster than a 10 year old supercar
I just returned from a 5k road trip to drive the Cabot Trail (Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia, Canada) in my 2015 S3 - after 3 years still very quick, still suction cup handling (new Michelin 4S rubber), still a comfortable cruiser, all at 35MPG (hwy). Three years of automotive delight with zero problems.
Now THAT's a video made by a car person. Kudos my man :-)
Awesome review!! You always manage to make them so much more interesting to watch than anyone else!!
P.S. Thanks a lot for not wearing the distracting necklace during filming
Honestly love my s3!!
Used 911 - specifically a 997.2 Carrera 4S or GTS.
yep, spot on! :)
Agree 100%
I don't like the 997 that much. 991 or the 993 if the 991 is too expensive
997.2 is atill 70k
+vivalaphill in the USA you can get a 997.2 C4S in the $40,000 range. Same as the S3.
Never drive an Audi at 10/10ths, otherwise you'll just understeer into a tree.
I think by definition that would be 11/10ths - but good point regardless.
I think by definition that would be 11/10ths, maybe more if the accident was bad enough - but good point regardless.
That's how they make these indeed. that's what some people call "safety" these days :-)
Yeah, the call it "safe understeer" , most fwd bias cars have it, but Audi's mostly understeer because they have so much weight forward of the front axle.
i agree whole-heartedly. if you're looking to add to your collection, then yes, by all means grab that classic exotic. if you want a nice daily driver just buy something new and sensible - it's still going to be heaps of fun on the road.
This is one of the best cars to buy in the 50k range. Used around 36k. Does everything well its pretty its fast and practical. Also the cabin is similar if not better and more comfortable than an R8
Nice video. It gave me a new perspective over the current car industry.
When you're short on money don't buy new at all. An Audi S3 brand new costs you $15k alone for being new. Better look for 1-year old models with
Wait for the refreshed RS3 it's gonna be a sedan
+Richard Harrold yeah but the RS3 is more powerful
Lol what roads are you driving on Richard? I think 700 bhp would still be acceptable on the majority of roads I use.
Its not a audi chassis. its a vw Golf R chassis. Get educated about cars and then come back.
and more heavy instead
Redesign looks great, even though they didn't change it much.
I'd rather wait, scrape more money together and buy an RS3 saloon.
get used to it, downsizing is happening
+giorgio tsoukalos What?
I think the RS3 is hatchback only?
+I Na They're testing a saloon variant, due out next year I think.
+P1eased0nteatme i mean that engines keep getting smaller
These cars get insane gains from just a tune.
Gr8 review! Love dat Irish accent! Might give up my BMW M2 for this, better stereo, better sound insulation, better all-weather daily driver!
are you actually using depreciation as a talking point on a new vs old car?
why does he go on like a brand new s3 doesn't depreciate like a brick
Bricks depreciate?
nope I bet if you had a 150 year old brick you could sell it for more money than it cost new.
+Tom Surman-Roberts Lol, you got his point, though;)
My thought exactly, If you buy used you've already hopefully jumped in at the bottom of the curve. You're starting at the top with this...
Have you seen the used market today 😂
I have driven supercars but I prefer my S5 99% of the time. Most supercars are for a second car situation.
This was an excellent review, entertaining and informative, it really sold the car to me, saving up now
Brilliant Summation. Made me chuckle. Been there. Done that. The Maserati GranTurismo still wins hands down.
and in europe or us?? arent there only manual cars launched ??
I thought you are going to compare S3 to something like an actual 2nd hand super car...disappointed.
I like the S3 saloon more than the hatch. I think the design works better.
Man this video just made me a subscriber.🙌🏾
Great review. I researched quite a bit, like you say, a car you can push without worries. Just ordered my 2018 S3, planning an APR Stage II tune and this will kill an RS3 for $17,000 less! 386 HP and 409 ft lbs of torque for less than $2000.
Better fuel economy as well.
I priced both at several dealers.
Have you done the stage 2 yet?! I have a 2017 Audi s3 and was thinking of doing a stage 1..
I could afford the used pre-facelift S3 (or a golf r/gti), are they as good as this? I think I prefer the pre-facelift looks anyway.
supercars lack behind in terms of interior are you kidding me.Look at paganis and Ferrari.These days Lamborghini is making interiors like fighter planes
the cockpit of a fighter plane
+Dhruv Dogra Ferrari interiors still get dated quickly though
in my mind a f12 interior is still better in terms of design than let's say a BMW.Even in terms of quality they aren't bad.Look at Alfa 8c interior it looks like it's been designed by art
Paganis and those Lamborghinis with "the cockpit of a fighter plane" are considered hyper cars today. Those type of cars were the "supercars" of yesteryear, and I would have to agree that they were definitely found wanting in the area of interior design.
It seems that more time was spent focusing on the exterior design and the overall experience of the car--the engine and exhaust sound, brakes, straight-line and cornering performance--than what's going on inside. (See Ferrari F40's "door releasing" device and it's [lack of] carpet.)
LOL are you stupid? He's comparing OLD supercars, only a small handful of which are in the price range of this car, which no, definitely do not have a better interior than this. And even if they did, don't be stupid and compare a Ferrari F12 to an Audi S3...
I was relieved at the very end of the video. You had me, Mr. Presenter, you had me good and scared.
does the audio system(Bang& Olufsen) is the option pack or stock feature?
i do not get the deprecation argument. That new S3 will loose half it's value in 3-4 years, a supercar for the same price would definitely not. Yes it would cost much more to run but would it really be more expensive in the end ? i am not convinced
speedsociety spot on
The end of the video is brilliant ^^, had me worried there for a moment.
You can get this thing to rock pretty hard. Upgrade a chip, maybe a larger turbo? If not increase the boost, larger air intake...you can get this S3 to pump out 400hp easily
What do you think of the 2017 RS3, sedan vs sportback
The ending was hilarious. With only $2K between it and the Golf R before options, not an easy choice unless you need cargo flexibility.
great movie with a great ending, love this channel
Fantastic review!! Coultn't have hit the nail more on the head
Simply amazing review for an amazing car!!
but what if your dream car is a brz or evo x
I think i'll go for the Golf R and put the extra money aside for a tune and some suspension bits :)
The s3 is a suited up golf R and honestly it's pretty dam. Reliable in the 17+ mechanically. Aside fr some mmi issues mine has been great to me
I have one of these which I have had since October 2015. It's great car however a major disappointment this winter. I got her stuck in a few inches of snow while she was wearing winter tires. I was able to get her unstuck. I drive my car 40-50,000 km per year. I felt like setting her on fire when this occurred. I didn't but I felt like selling it. The issue has yet to be resolved by Audi. Other than that the car has been great.
A new S3 is NOWHERE near the cost of a used supercar...
A fully kitted S3 is around $52,000. Certainly not supercar territory but definitely in the range of a used Z06, M3, used lightly equipped Cayman S3, or a well used Evora.
Even an S3 has performance greatly in excess of what you can reasonably safely use on U.K. roads. I own a 2016 hatchback in Daytona gray. It’s fantastic but oh too fast to use all of more than 2nd gear in the rural roads around me. For 3rd towards the red line, you need a good A-Road and eyes on stalks. More than that and it’s a drive to the nearest M-way, which personally I find dull. Logically, I have an overpowered car. Which is why I’m about to buy a tuning box to take it to around 360bhp, placing it close to earlier model RS3 output.
Brilliant! Love the conclusion 😄👍
While I am a German car person. There is no comparison to a proper supercar. Specifically Italian supercars are built to NO compromise. Driving/experience is the number one priority. That's why.
used Lexus ISF and supercharge it+ super nice forged rims and that amount money what left spend to 3-4 really nice jornies with my wife )
In the beginning he is talking like a new Audi S3 isn't going to depreciate lmao... a used supercar will probably depreciate a lot less, since the first owner took the first-biggest hit (if it was a regular supercar ofc, and not a collectable one).
I think you need to look at a depreciation curve as a 10 -15 year old premium car will be losing a LOT less than any new car.
Maintenance and Insurance however... OUCH!
I bought an s3 changed a few exhaust parts, tuned it with e85 and smashed all over an m4 17 zl1 18 and couple other really nice fast cars. Buy the car you like people. Was going to buy a used gtr for 55k but got a new s3 instead cause the gtr just that no one drives a gtr slow and it was due for thousand of dollars in repairs soon brakes oil etc... So in reality buy what is practical for you and you wallet!
I don't think a new Audi will depreciate slower than an old supercar. I will buy a used Audi instead
This car has too much turbo lag. Audi has the technology to end lag (electric turbochargers) but insists on these laggy engines in their sport(ish) cars. Unacceptable.
João Soares
I wouldn't mind that as I got a twin turbo v6 from ford and it has a little lag but I never notice
I'm sure the Audi turbo engines are less laggy
Audi S3 or a used Cessna 172?
Cessna all the way.
This guy should definitely do more videos, in my opinion he's as good as the gremlin (the other guy)!
this is why I'm leasing one. drive the hell out of it for 4 years, and then bring it back and get a new one before the warranty ends. You can lease one of these things nowadays for the same price as the finance price in a Kia.
thanks for getting rid of the terrifying "SO SEND ME A MESSAAAAAAAGE"
carfection
Ha! I'm a car person (and a bike person) and I'd take the S3 every time because I don't want my bank balance/soul destroyed. If you can't afford to run don't buy no matter how much you may want it in the long run its very likely it won't be worth it. Just my two cents though, I'm sure plenty will disagree and that's fine, this is just what I'd do.
what do you guys think about buying a used 997 911 turbo s with 25k miles for around $90k?
You're not taking the initial depreciation hit but the running costs would be my only worry
I'll take the brand new Audi, the more I learn about Audi the more I feel this is the right brand for my next purchase.
a new audi will depreciate quicker than any old/used supercar.
Of course, what I can't understand is why most people don't just buy the Golf R for thousands less, but I guess I'm just not one for brand snobbery...
Hello, how tall are you?
What have they done to the headlights!? It looks hideous now! So glad I bought the previous model.
pretty nice review ,, and pretty reasonable argument
Audi s3 stage 2 tune. Done! adds the life to a nicer looking Golf R for $35k preowned started out higher priced than a VW but 12-24 months later can find similar price of both.
I just bought a brand new 2017 Audi A6. Guess what? It's cheaper than my tuition bill. What a steal!
After going on the s3 configurator today, the s3 has such a boring exterior for car which underneath is brash and quick and inside is miles better than its competitor, the cla, but on the exterior the cla looks like a much better car, oh and a used Audi R8 is probably around this price right
+Richard Harrold other than the lack of the extra 2 doors it's certainly a viable option
+Richard Harrold oh sorry when I saw the m and the 35i I assumed it was a 2 in between, but that doesn't have a saloon or saloon/coupe version like Audi and Mercedes
Good luck buying a used R8 for $50k. The current generation starts around $150 new. I suspect a used prior gen R8 would still command north of $85k if you can find one.
+ChrisMag100 many last gens around
I think a used AMG is a WAY better option. They depreciate so much, you can get a ton of car for the money. Such as a M156 E63 for around 18k.
New S3 or older TFSI V6 S4?
why not a super-ish car like a used 911 turbo, an AMG GT S, or an audi R8?
If you're too scared of a true exotic, just pick up an NSX. They can be had for less than an S3 (still) and won't depreciate anymore. Or if you want the fun but a modern car, maybe an m140i or something.
you dont buy a supercar with your brain, you buy it with your heart
He is keep saying old super car depreciating. 10 year old super car already depreciated almost fully. But new Audi will depreciate more than 25% a year.
Not liking Audi aside, I would always get a brand new car over an old used up super car. The interiors on old super cars are SHIT, the rides are completely uncomfortable and most of them don't even have A/C, much less cupholders. You can't compare picking a daily driver with a super car thats just silly. The purpose of both are totally different. I will take Tesla's features, screen and comfort over a 800hp any day. What do I need all that HP for? To sound cool while I'm stuck in traffic everyday?
Haha, a. men.
Your comment shows that you did not get the point. Comparing a normal new car with a used super car makes no sense. But most people who drive everyday from A to B don't really need a super car anyway.
@3:10 the Audi that's 10 years old is either in a junk yard or about to be. If you are buying an old car you better go classic analogue.
Could've done that a lot quicker? Which makes you car lovers happier? A new S3 or a used supercar from 10 years ago? A: The supercar.
Should I get the s3 or new s5? 🤔
S5 if you got the money yeah
I bought an S3 this weekend, and the Finance manager told me he had an S5, but would prefer the S3 at this point. His primary reason seemed to be that the S3 was a 4 door, whereas the S5 is a 2 door.
They're actually almost identical from a performance standpoint, but obviously the S3 is a smaller car. So it just comes down to personal preference. I can tell you I was trying to decide between an S3 and S4 and after driving both, preferred the S3. Plus, it's a little less $$, which is always nice. Good luck whichever way you go, and congrats!
2:04 Any Audi needs a flashy grill. Something for people to stare at while they're tailgated by one
Lmao
Get a super-car!! Doug Demero got Aston Martin in USA used with bumper to bumper warranty!! That's the way to go!!
could buy a used inbetween supercar such as a lotus wouldn't cost the earth to buy or maintain. and i would call an brand new audi settling as it looks like the same as an audi a1. audi's look like shoes sizes to alot of people out there.
Why an S3 over a Golf R?
Looks and Space.
Hit the nail on the head, it also has a better gearbox and far superior interior
why not a Golf Gti or a Fiesta St?
+Darko Koleski AWD v FWD. World of difference.
I know it's way out but have you driven fwd cars these days? they rotate like a go-karts.
Still want at least a V6. Waiting on that S4 babyyyy
The "buy new or used" argument misses out on an important detail. It is much cheaper to buy a new car than a used car, APRs are significantly lower and dealer contributions are much higher. If you're buying a new car you're batshit if you buy it cash as it'll be worth half what you paid in 3 years.
Buying cash? Buy used.
Buying on finance? Buy new.
No problem, in about 150 years from now I might start considering buying a used supercar of the last century.
+Carfection what is Alex's favourite car?
So you keep mentioning depreciation but Audi's don't hold value and would probably lose value quicker than most older sports cars. Although repairs would be killer...
you could buy an early GTR for the money which is about the best supercar for just over £30k. Put a personal plate on it and 9/10 people wont even know your driving a 7y old supercar, yeah tax is high expensive to run but look at the car you would be driving in, a genuine supercar with over 190mph top speed and 3.5s to 60mph
2-3 yr old Pre-Certified and buy the least expensive best car you can get your hands on. Bought, drove for 1.5 years and only cost me $1k +tax-title to own.
this or m235i?
It's not a sports car, its a fast luxury car.
FOCUS RS seems like a better option and does a little more than the S3, M235i, CLA450 AMG...
Never thought I'd see the day when someone tried to justify a new S3 as a "compromise" to a supercar. A reflection of today's "buy now/pay later" society.
How is an S3 buy now/pay later? Do you mean bc an S3 is still a fast/expensive car?
This or golf r?
If I had to choose between the two: This.
Id rather have a 16' plate s3 over 2001 Lamborghini any day. "ive worked hard for this great all-rounder that drives fantastically" or "ive not accepted that I'm a normal person in a normal job so I now cringe evey time I approach a speed bump or the throttle" fucking stupid.
Spot on, love it but it's not something I could love driving
As nice and as conformist it is, I was rather hoping the Audi was just a price yardstick and the report would be on 928's or Esprits or 993/6's for similar money. Maybe an Alpine A610 or Venturi for left-field interest. But no. Oh, and older era supercar prices are on the up and this'll lose 30% of its value in the first year... :o/