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Reacting to Sisters Wives Season Seventeen (18) episode 9.
Kody, Meri, Janelle, Christine and Robyn
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I disagree with you, David, and here is why: I think Christine moving Truly away meant protecting her from neglect, which would've inevitably happened if she stayed in Flagstaff. This way, there would always be the distance that kept them apart, and plans to see each other would have to be made as special events. What would stop Kody from treating Truly like Savannah if she stayed in Flagstaff? This way, Truly knows that not seeing him all the time is not his fault. If she stayed in Flagstaff, it really would've been his fault. Christine had no reason to think that anything would change with Kody. He was ignoring the daughters that lived with her already.
Agree!
Agree. He would have continued the same neglect he was already doing the entire time she did live in Flagstaff.
I think sometimes David forgets that Kody is not a normal, loving, involved Father. A good father would want to spend time with his kids. But, this is Kody. He'd continue to ignore her in favor of Robyn's kids, and just like the other kids, she'd start to notice and feel the hurt. What Christine did actually protects Truely's feelings.... for now.
Agreed
He didn’t give a crap about Truly before they moved. Remember the first time he was to take care of her alone and she ended up in hospital nearly dying! Because of his neglect. I wouldn’t even trust him having her for a weekend. There is nothing for her in Flagstaff. In Kody’s own word everyone beside Robin and her kids are ‘jerks’. Who talks of their children and their mother’s that way?! Christine never said anything disrespectful about him on camera - and come on, we could all understand if she did. What Kody has said …! 😳🫢
It's not BS rationalisation it's facts. Kody was practically absent in Savannah and Trulys lives prior to Christine leaving. Now that she's left, he's doing more than he's ever done for those girls because they aren't so available to him. We can see it with our own eyes.
"Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you got til it's gone?"
Kody missed so much of the og 13 kids lives by exclusively spending so much time with Robyn and her kids at the McMansion. He can never get that back. Someday he's gonna be a destitute, lonely, sad, bitter, pathetic old fart wondering why no one wants to be around him. And he will probably be totally bald sitting in a nursing home wearing a Depends undergarment crying and sucking on one of Ari's old binkies reverting back to the baby we know he's been all along. What a blow to his ego.
Agreed.
I do get annoyed by his accommodations, concessions, and excuses for their bad behaviour at times. In no way through any of this were Kody and Robyn victims or in the right.
Christine is preserving their relationship. Truly doesn't have to feel hurt like savannah, who father is in the same town as her and doesn't bother to come and see her. This way, he has distance as an excuse to only see her when she comes into town.
YES
When my dad had custody of us, he was always gone working and left us with other family members. When my mom took full custody of us and we only went to dad’s every other weekend, he actually spent quality time with us. So I get Chrtistine’s rationale. It forces Kody to make the most out of his time.
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Same. And by limiting the accessibility window, it up the chance he will actually see Truly.
Preach!
That's exactly the way I took her reasoning also.
Yep!
I have a hard time believing Kody reached out to Garrison when he didn’t reach out to Savannah. I think he’s lying.
He said he thinks they blocked him ! 😊
They said he hadn't
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He think they blocked him. How does he knows or think that? Did he reach out once and the phone maybe wasn’t charge and because of that he couldn’t reach him
Why do Kody and Sobin think that all holidays are to take place in their house? There are less of them so they should go where the rest are. Last year in Sobin’s house Christmas was so much fun every one is avoiding it this year.
Garrison has always been the one to be honest and direct about his thoughts. I believe him when he says Kody has been a bad father to not just him and Gabe, but all of the kids except - maybe - Robyn's kids.
This episode is just painful. Kody talks about Gabe and Garrison with hate while they talk about Kody with hurt. 💔
So true and a good point.
I say it’s jealousy
It’s so sad
Savannah is also living in Flagstaff and he doesn’t have a relationship with her. so if Truely stayed, by that same logic he wouldn’t have a relationship with Truely. Plus Kody has NEVER gone to Utah to visit Truely. So I believe Christine was in the right.
Absolutely right
I agree, @PopPsych missed the mark here
Yeah, we cannot treat Kody like a good dad or even a normal dad. He's an awful dad except when he can do fun stuff. We see how he would have treated Truely because that's how he treats Savanah. Christine is giving him the opportunity to be a Dad on his "fun only" terms.
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In the text trail, Robyn's kids weren't being left out. Robyn got involved and insisted on a zoom meeting that did not suit some of the others then she started saying things she shouldn't have
Exactly. The kids wanted everyone together and Robyn said no.
Exactly, I think he misunderstands the text conversation
The gift exchange thing was so convoluted and wasn't explained well on the show. I agree they weren't trying to exclude Robin's Kids, they wanted to do it in person and Robin, in her covid hysteria was trying to convince them to do it via Zoom. When the kids pushed back she probably said she wouldn't let her kids meet with their siblings in person... then she put that info through her Robin victim filter and decided that the kids not bending to her will meant that they wanted to exclude her kids. And of course, that's how she spun it to Aurora and Breanna.
@@tobeyc2962"Robyn victim filter" 😂
@tobeyc2962 this is what I understood from it as well. The kids reached out and wanted to get together and Robin wanted them to do it over zoom instead.
BTW, I remember Brianna always being a bit of a cry-baby, tattle-tale little princess. And how rude they were to Savannah and Janelle when they moved into the RV was disgusting. Did Brianna ever invite her younger sister over or come over to talk to her? She's a mini-robin and IMO it's rather gross how Robyn has made her kids think that everyone is against them.
She really did make them feel like victims, too. Before they entered the conversation about the gift exchange, they 'learned' the other kids didn't like them. Like..nobody believes that would have came from anyone except Robyn. Seriously queen victim, grooming her mini victims.
Exactly!
When watching Robyn's girls I felt the entire thing was scripted, they were acting and Robyn was their acting coach. I'm sure Robyn was standing in sight the whole time and is probably mad that now her kids have to go on camera to save the show or paychecks they have lost from the other wives. It was okay for years that the other kids were filmed but I don't see her happy that her kids now have to film.
Yup, she's always been her mama's little actress
I was thinking the same thing. Why do the other kids have to reach out to them? Why haven’t Robyn’s kids reached out to them? Why haven’t Breanna or Aurora seek out their siblings since they’re in the same school or college? Communication works both ways. Can’t be the victim all time. Where is their effort?
Christine feels like she preserved the relationship between Kody and Truly because she took Truly away from the situation before Truly realized how little Kody was there and how much he favors Robyn's kids
I agree with Christine. Look
At how the blatant favoritism effected older kids. C protected at least one of her kids from that. I can’t imagine watching my dad love other kids more than me and just not care.
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Bingo. I just made the same comment. She really explained it poorly, but I understood what she meant
When Kody used to be at the house, he was mostly on his phone, and not interacting with Truely. So now that he doesn't have access to her all the time, he pays more attention to her when she visits.
Truly never saw him for months at a time!!! She sees him much more now! The mothers are doing a great job of trying to get the younger kids to have relationships with their dad. The older kids have to make up their own minds.
I have to disagree about the preserving the relationship with Truely. Savannah lives in Flagstaff and Kody makes very little effort to see her. He sees Truely because Christine brings her to him. If they lived in Flagstaff he wouldn’t see her. Last season he even said he wasn’t going over to visit Truely and Ysabel because he couldn’t stand to see Christine. Secondly you are making assumptions about the zoom gift exchange. We really don’t know that Robins kids weren’t invited. Janelle asked Kody when they had their big fight if he wanted to come over to the B & B and he said no. She invited him because the boys were not welcome In Kody’s home. That we did see.
Well said
It sounds like they were invited if they were included on the group text. If Robyn said they couldn't go because of Covid that's on her. She's the shit stirrer here. The kids have had the gift exchange for 20 years and Robyn is offended because they won't change their tradition to fit her demands. If her kids can't leave the house they could have said so themselves and probably worked it out. I do not think she behaved reasonably or in her kids best interest.
Adding Robyns' kids were invited to participate in the gift exchange.
I was thinking the same about Truely. At least Christine can tell her that she doesn't see her father often because they live far away, and not because he just doesn't care. Savannah doesn't have that. She knows her father just doesn't bother to see her even though they live close by each other, and you can tell she's hurt by that.
Yes yes yes, this!! PopPsych, I'm sorry but I think he's wrong on this. I feel like Christine sees Kodys typical behaviors with all the other kids and it seems like all of those relationships are damaged. I don't think she's trying to say the sole reason she moved away was to preserve his and Truely relationship but because she's made that decision, she's taking the good relationship they do have and preserving it because at this point when she does bring Truely to Flagstaff she can facilitate a visit. Unless Kody just flat out refuses to see his daughter or starts treating her terribly when he does see her.. then Christine is correct. If they stayed living in Flagstaff Truely would start to notice if her dad stopped making an effort to see her and that would clearly affect their relationship.
Do either of you remember how terrible Robin’s kids were to Savannah when they moved in to the RV? They compared her bed to dog beds and said her bath tub was a foot bath.. they have excluded themselves for a long time
We live in a mansion and you are like trailer trash….uuuuuuuhhhhhhggggg
Yes! But I also feel like those kids never had a chance because their mother is an abusive pos. She convinced them that their dad and his family didn't care about them or want them around and then did the same thing after they entered this family and told them their siblings and other moms didn't love them or want to hang out with them. Those girls think nobody likes them except for their mom. It's so sick.
It was messed up but I wonder if they try to hurt others before they can get hurt because they've been conditioned to think everyone hates them.
Comments about the beds being "dog beds" & the tub being like a "foot bath." Obnoxious snobs when Savanah's mom's money bough the house they're living in!
And GUARANTEED they treated her like crap AT SCHOOL too.
Truly his daughter that he never cared for, not even health insurance, Christine supports her in every way. Christine gives her a better life.
I just love you, but you're 100% wrong about Kody being right. When Christine was in Flagstaff, Kody had NO relationship with the kids. Even Truley. Now, Christine is working to make sure that Truly spends time with her dad. And Robin's daughters? That was the worst acting I've ever seen! Those kids are just like their mother, sobbin' Robin. They believe what they're being told. What a damn mess!!!
Sorry doc, I think you got this wrong. Christine was right. Never underestimated a mother's intuition.
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I think they are both right & wrong , C is looking back and seeing it worked out but it was not why she left, she left cause she wanted to leave, K was correct is saying it was not what C was thinking when deciding to move
Robin had already sown the seed even before those text messages with her kids to make them feel more left out and that the other kids didn’t like them. It’s sad as Robin makes herself the victim and ‘bad guy’. She does 100% manifest drama
Both girls already said they'd heard b4 the text... So, where did they hear it, except 4 Sobyn & Kocky?
First, she convinced those kids that their father and his family didn't care about them and had no problem discarding them just to get them into this family...only to do the same thing and convince them their siblings and moms don't love them or want them around either. It's so effing sick. These girls think literally nobody wants them around. Only their mom.
We also have to remember that Robin's kids essentially had 2 Christmases back to back and Savanna didn't get anything from her dad until almost 2 months after Christmas. The one kid that was actually shafted, Savanna, wasn't sitting on the couch crying about being "excluded' from christmas.
I think Christine is right about the relationship between Kody and Truely being preserved by leaving … sorry I think you’re wrong! She took her away before she was ignored to the point where she resented her dad and didn’t care about seeing him or not. Now when she takes Truely back to flagstaff Kody actually makes time for him… when she lived there he didn’t do that. As for Robyn’s kids being ignored I think that’s more what she has convinced them of by reinforcing it to them by what she says all the time to her kids. The kids were friends until Robyn poisoned their minds. Poor Savannah is so quiet and has done nothing to anyone yet Robyn’s daughter is cordial if in same space but doesn’t include her or talk to her as a sister. And if I was savannah watching dad spend time with others and ignoring me I wouldn’t be the first to strike up a conversation
Also Christine said “Truely thinks she has a good relationship with Kody.” Didn’t say that’s what she (Christine) thinks or that’s what an outside observer would think.
Yes! I just commented the same. Also The man is looking at truly as being useful to him just like alot of narc parents do during divorce. He will absolutely love bomb that lil girl and manipulate while he still resents Christine. It's all about control for him.
I 100% agree with you.
I completely agree.
I agree. It’s like the saying that you love your parents more when you don’t live with them and that’s very true.
The whole idea was for the gift exchange to be between the kids no adults. Robyn just wanted to control the situation. Her older kids are grown, they could take the gifts for the 2 younger ones!
I agree. The youngest ones wouldn't even have a clue what was going on if Robin didn't overemphasize that the older siblings were " leaving them out again". The older kids are absolutely within thier rights to exchange gifts in a public setting if that is what they wanted. If Robin's kids were paranoid like she was, they just have to acquiesce. We had family not co.e to Christmas in 2020 for the same reason- the rest of us still got together. It's not fair to those older kids to have to play Robin's game or not play at all.
You mean all the siblings, because all of these people are over 18.
@@videofan1010Robyn's youngest kids are not 18 yet...
I would love to know which kid suggested adding the parents to the text chain. If I had to guess how it went down. The older kids were texting about starting an all kids thread. There was maybe some sh*t talk about Robyn on that smaller chat. Then Mykelti went to Robyn on the side and told her what was being said. Robyn told her kids about it. Then when the larger all kids text started, they were already believing everyone hated them.
Robyn has to control everything at all times. The easy solution would be a second Christmas a few days after, and Robyn's adult children could take the younger kids to it. Robyn and Kody could stay home. But this would require maturity on the parts of the older adults.
All the other kids were not doing the gift exchange in person so Robyn’s kids were not being excluded. I believe the zoom call was to do with the organising of it but it proved difficult getting everyone all together at the same time. I’m afraid I’m of the opinion that Robyn inserted herself and manipulated the conversation in order the maintain the whole victimhood of her kids being excluded. Hard to keep stating that her kids are excluded when here they are being included.
This! I don't know how they misunderstood this conversation so much.
@@mysisterwifesbasement Yes. Made me question if I had misunderstood but this zoom call was discussed on the show in earlier episodes and we know that the whole family were never going to be together for Christmas.
I agree with Christine about Truely and Kody’s relationship. Look at Savannah she’s close by Kody “distance” wise, Kody makes no attempt to see her or contact her regularly. All the time they lived in Flagstaff Kody didn’t make effort to spend time with Truely. Now being away when he wants to see Truely Christine can bring her to flagstaff and Truely spends time with him. When Truely is in Utah, of course she can’t see her dad. She has a great relationship with Kody when she’s in Flagstaff Christine is protecting Truely from the hurt that the older kids are going through. I doubt Kody would make any effort to spend time with Truely if she was in Flagstaff.
For some reason I feel like Kody has attentional issues and he seems to require his wives to make it as easy as possible for him to remember to see his children. I don't think it's their job but I think this is the expectation. I also agree with Christine - do I think it's fair in a normal situation, not necessarily, I think Christine just knows Kody's patterns and wants the best for Truely with his randomness.
Kody had ample time to be with Truely when they lived near. He rarely saw her. His choice. Isn't it ironic that he now wants to complain that it Christine's fault he can't see her at random. Has he ever made an attempt to visit Truely where she now lives? So, I guess Christine has to travel everytime that Truely gets to see Kody. How much effort does he put forth? Did he ever provide a bedroom for Truely at the McMansion like he said he would? I don't trust Robyn not to be mean in some way to Truely. Either physically or psychologically. I remember seeing Robyn swat or push away Truely's little toddler hand once. I think it might have been at a birthday party for Sol. She's sneaky, kinda like the way she kicks dogs.
The kids wanted to do an in person gift exchange including Robyn’s kids. Robyn got involved and said they needed to do it over zoom. They didn’t want to do that. So Robyn got mad and pulled her kids from the whole thing.
I honestly would see her getting mad at zoom opposed to seeing in person. I think she’d be mad either way. She’d say no one wants to see my kids in person because they don’t want to he close to them. They see each other all the time and my kids are left out. No win situation. She’s brainwashed her own kids.
@@Hazel-bz5bp oh yeah I agree. I can see her sabotaging regardless due to the grudge she holds against the older kids. I was just explaining to David what I thought happened from the older kids perspective in the situation because he seemed unclear on how the whole thing unfolded and why the kids said no to zoom. But yeah. Fuck Robyn and Kody. 😂
If a father is as toxic as Kody who is not involved with their kids it’s healthier to remove them from toxic environment and surround them by love. I didn’t see a dirt bike for Truely.
I didn't interpret the chat the way y'all did. My interpretation was that Robyn didn't want to do the gift exchange unless all of it was done on Zoom. She couldn't convince the kids to buy in and got pissed off because she couldn't manipulate them like she does everyone else to get her way. So, she threw a tantrum and walked away. She has caused the problems by acting too controlling and micromanaging. Also, when her kids were interviewed in the confessional it was like a hostage video. I suspect Robyn and/or Kody was sitting just off screen monitoring the situation. Those kids are programmed and watches within an inch of their lives. It is sad and disgusting the negative influence Robyn and Kody's parenting has had.
Yes!
Oh good comparison! I found it very weird. And scripted. Aurora went off script tho, and looked terrified...
I thought so too
I agree with u 1000%..it seems he's taking robin an kodys side an not looking at other seasons of their past behavior, an Robin pulls out this anxiety card an you could definitely tell she's past that to her daughters when they talk and manipulate the situation into saying the family hates them because "someone" told them that an yet the kids that go to school with Robins kids say they love and miss them.. one side is telling the truth and one side is lying and being manipulative and playing victim imo
Kody has Savannah really close and he doesn’t see her so I think Christine’s idea of preserving the relationship is spot on. This way he probably sees Truly more often
It's about quality time. When she was close he didn't spend any more time with her so what's the difference ?
Robyn and Kody could have gone to the rental house and seen the others. They demanded everyone come to them, but not the boys because Robyn didn't want them. If they had allowed Mary to have Christmas Eve with everyone a lot of this could have been avoided.
Yes! This video seemed to assume that Robyn and her family were not invited to the Airbnb, but Janelle invited them last season, and Kody said no because "why would I go there when I have a house." They also had the opportunity to do something together at Meri's house, but Robyn said it was too "scary" to be in the same house as Janelle's boys. (I think what she was really afraid of was that someone would call her out on her bullshit and possibly that it would be captured on camera for TLC.)
"You got it all wrong doc". Kody could not go around the block to see Truly much less travel to Utah to pick her up for a visit. Christine is bringing her to Flagstaff to see him. Christine is the one making the effort. I have seen it all my life fathers finally paying attention to their kids through divorcee. The court gives them visitation and some father still do not take the opportunity to pay attention to their kids. I am 71 yrs old and you never stop being a mother or father to your kids.
I think part of the problem with Robyn's children is because she sat them all down and said how no one wanted them around for the holidays.
Exactly
She's playing games with her kids feelings. But they will grow up and they will learn the truth.
Robyn doesn't manifest drama. She manufactures it!!!
You say that Christine is unfair towards Kody for moving away with Truly but less than 10 minutes later emphatically assert that Kody’s emotionally damaged his children. Huh? Are you advocating keeping children in an abusive environment for the sake of their emotionally abusive parent to simply be able to access them with more ease?
Don’t understand your perspective on it not being fair for kodi that Christine moved away w truly. ???! He’s awful to his kids so how is it not a positive thing to create a situation where there are less ways Kody can royal king mess it up every waking day while he’s close by without real reasons
Kody insists on total submission.Janelle had the plans to build on Coyote Pass but Robyn declared "but first..." and hijacked that meeting, Janelle realized she would never be allowed to build out there unless she and her kids prostrated themselves and begged for forgiveness.
Kody said they were not welcome in his house unless they submitted to his authority and followed his rules. Robyn told her kids that the other kids' refusal to follow the rules meant they didn't want anything to do with them.
Robyn wanted to do the gift exchange over zoom, not in person, and tried to impose additional rules and the kids were having none of that.
Then Robyn told Mykelti to tell the others she was no longer speaking to them. Instead of telling Robyn to tell them herself, Mykelti did as she was told. Robyn has the emotional maturity of a 13 year old, and Mykelti is a fool to get involved in this. Robyn and Mykelti became besties when Mykelti was 14, and we can see why. Robyn is a case of arrested development. She has infantilized her own kids and wont let them grow up either.
Thank you! The kids wanted to exchange in person and Robyn wanted over video. I have to say, I hate to sound mean but it sucks that even a psychiatrist completely misconstrues what he is watching and seeing and hearing.
There is no way Rob'em would ever allow her children 2 be alone with any1! If she's not around, they'd tell them the truth bc they're being abused by their Mother & Kod'piece! She's never gonna set them free bc she wouldn't be able 2 use them anymore. CPS should've stepped in 12 years ago!
I would have liked their take on Aurora and Breanna saying how "we learned that the rest of the family cared more about not following covid rules than about seeing us and they were planning secret Christmas without us" - who told them that and why? And what will the road look like for them if they watch the show and see with their own eyes how Robyn misrepresented things to make them feel like victims? If they see how the other kids missed them but Robyn kept them separated?
AND, their nanny gave them Covid! 🙄
Actually, it was Brianna who brought COVID home from school. The nanny got COVID at the time of Arielle’s 5th birthday, but no one else got it at that time. Season 17 episode 13.
Robin will never let her kids watch the show. I think that some of the older kids are watching now and that may be part of why they don't talk/have a relationship with Kody and Robin.
I am sure that they aren’t allowed to watch it.
go back to watching the discussions about building the houses in Las Vegas.
Meri was in tears, wanting a house with a wet bar. There was a lot of crying over whether Meri would get a large house with a wet bar.
Meri had been the family hostess for holiday parties. I imagine that the way they functioned in Lehi, Christine would be preparing the food downstairs and Meri would be upstairs decorating, getting the big Christmas tree, making matching pajamas for everybody.
As the family hostess, she wanted the wet bar for entertaining. When she was told she would not need a wet bar, they were telling her "you wont be hosting anymore family parties." No wonder she was crying over the wet bar.
Meri wanted everyone over to her huge house for Christmas Eve and Robyn and Kody said no. So she didnt make pajamas, she "changed it up" and gave Robyn's kids blankets, and then she decided to downsize. She had spent two years by herself in a huge house suitable for entertaining and wasn't being allowed to have anybody over for Christmas Eve. She doesn't need a big house or a wet bar. She's out.
In regard to Christine saying she's preserving the relationship between Truely and Kody, I think she means that Truely at least thinks the reason she doesn't see her Dad is because of distance. Whereas, look at Savannah. She's right there in Flagstaff and Kody makes no effort to see her. There's no excuse for why he doesn't show up. At least Truely thinks the reason she doesn't see him often is because she lives farther away. It's hurtful in both situations that they don't see their Dad, but I'd be much more hurt if my Dad had absolutely no excuse for not seeing me.
In regard to the gift exchange. The group text happened before any of the kids knew they wouldn't be together at Christmas. Remember, the conversation regarding who was going to be invited to Christmas happened after the group text and it was Robyn who decided she didn't want the kids over to her house because it would be scary. You're confusing the timeline.
This is how I took it as well. Especially combined with the fact that Kody said last season that he hadn’t made an effort to see Truly after the Isabel road trip because he’d have to see Christine.
We have all been watching Kody unravel. I mean his behavior towards his children is shocking.
We watched Kody NOT coming around Christines house AT ALL when they were married... when it came to ysabels surgery, he was absent and neglectful. Truly didnt even notice her father wasnt there anymore when her mom and dad seperated and kody moved his stuff out.
Christine said this as well, , Truley was too young and naive to really put the pieces together and come to the realization that her fathers never there for her but he's got other kids that he's a great father to...
So....for most situations, I agree, its not in the best interest of a child to take them so far away from their father. But this is an exception... if kody is going to devastate his children with his tantrums and his petty revenge tatics....truley is better off far away from it all
Regarding the gift exchange, I think the kids were trying to include Robins kids in the gift exchange. I think they were trying to find a neutral site they could get together to do the gift exchange without parents. Robin wanted them to do gift exchange over zoom. Robin felt the kids would fight and she wouldn't be there to "protect" her children. Robin has told so many lies about how the kids feel about her kids she can't let them alone to compare notes.
That’s what I took away from it as well. They were trying to include Robyn’s kids and she had to butt in and ruin it and now has convinced her kids that the other kids don’t like them.
Week after week, Kody and Robyn tell the world how awful these kids are to them and Robyn's kids. I think it's high time these kids are PUBLICLY allowed to tell THEIR side of the story. They needed this. And the reason Truely thinks her relationship with Kody is great, is because she doesn't know any other kind of relationship with her father. Truely was sidelined by Kody the moment Sol and Ari came into the world, so her perception of a father/daughter relationship is that of a man who breezes in every once in a while in time for supper, a little TV and then bedtime. And then he's gone before she even gets up in the morning. THAT IS NORMAL TO HER. So she's probably seeing more of Kody post-divorce than she ever saw of him pre-divorce and they don't even live in the same state!
I agree, and she is young enough to believe the COVID excuse without scrutiny.
@@EinTH-cam Excellent point
Robin was saying she was traumatized thats why they got so upset, cause she made it about her. The kids wanted the kids involved.
Robin was the one saying zoom
Robin needed to stay out of the conversation.
I feel like what Christine means about her preserving Truely and Kody's relationship by her taking Truely away, is that Kody was never seeing Truely when they lived close to Kody. Now that they live farther away, when she comes into town Christine makes a point to call Kody and have Truely go to his house and see him. Where as before Kody always had an excuse to not see Truely, because he was consumed with Robyn and her family, and truthfully I don't think Robyn wanted Truely at her house. Now Kody can't say no because it would make him look bad to not want to see his daughter when she is in town. The fact of the matter is that Kody sees Truly more now than before and I feel that Christine wants Truely to have a relationship with her Dad.
Christine has forced kody to spend time with Truly by bringing her to flagstaff. Otherwise he would not make any effort to spend time with her.
Not fair to Kody? Look what he did to Savannah. This man doesn't see his kids for months at a time. He doesn't pay for their hospital bills. He has no loyalty to anyone except Robyn and her kids. He has to be an example for all his kids..
Christine is right about truly amd kodys relationship. She had a huge hand in that. I guess its from watching kodys patterns all these years but Kody is looking at Truly in way that she can be useful for him as in ways he can get back at Christine. He will make sure that relationship is good while he resents Christine. Also, if christine hadnt left, the relationship would be none excistant. Are we watching the same show man lol
100%. Not sure they watch the show.
@becky9103 I have to stop myself sometimes in my comments on these vids bc I end up writing something a smidge to mean towards them so I have ro rewrite them lol I really thought at first that his wife was just nervous and held back bc they said she was the one who watched the show but her recall is way off sometimes or there are things she completely missed. I'm sure you've noticed that also. I don't want to be mean in my comment just in case she may have neurological issues that causes that but it's really like neither actually have watched from the start and how it's progressed.
@@_Amanda_Lynn I have to do the same thing. LoL. It's like when he said Kody was not a narcissist! WHAT? I get the impression they watch a little for the channel, and skip through a lot of content to try to get a quick idea of the main theme. But definitely not hardcore watchers. Unfortunately they miss all the little nuances that reveal the story underneath the story. There are so many things that sailed over my head in the early seasons, (e.g. glances, a side remark, etc.) that I have to wonder how I missed so much!
Love watching you and your wife's takes. Don't feel the need to cap them at 15 minutes! I could listen to your dialogue throughout the whole episode.
Me too! I enjoy them more then the show .
I do too. But I think he was wrong on a few fronts. Robyn inserted herself and caused issues as per usual. Her kids aren’t and weren’t ever left out. Also Christine should have absolutely left with Truley.
Yes me too! Longer
Same, I’d enjoy if they did a full
Episode
I admire Christine for getting Truly away from Kody and his abuse. I had a son her age when I escaped my abuser, and I wish I could of done more to protect my son from the abuse that he suffered throughout his teen years. Robyn and Kody will try to manipulate and use Truly, and somehow use her to try and upset Christine. Kody is a sick, narcissistic, egotistical abuser.
I think Christine’s thought of preserving the relationship between truly and Kody was to remove her before she could experience the pain of neglect and abandonment from Kody by choosing Robyn’s kids over her. Christine’s seen the older children realize this and feel pain. Robyn should butt out of the gift exchange , the other moms don’t get involved.
Yes. Truely was getting old enough where she would soon begin to wonder why Kody was with Sol ans Ari 100% of the time, but she rarely saw him.
Well said.
WOW Breanne clearly parroting what she was indoctrinated with by her parents...to me telling a kid, no one likes you is abuse. Especially when it was a lie.
I agree 100% ! I bet you could find episodes with Robyn saying the same thing “I am confused etc etc . Not trying to speak bad of Breanne just stated she sounded exactly like her mom .
Savannah who had to live in a trailer and tiny apartment, no call or gift from dad as he showers his favorites with ATV’s, parents broken up, siblings spread apart in different towns …. Should be the one crying. Robin is teaching her girls victimhood.
Christine did the right thing. Kody was giving nothing to truly and Christine took her out of that environment to a place we’re they had more family around her for her to have family connections. Kody is a dud
Robyn's kids revealed that prior to the text exchange they had been told the other families wanted nothing to do with them
I thinkChristine is right about preserving Truly's relationship with Kody. .Savannah lives in Flagstaff and never sees him; by taking Truly to Salt Lake City, her visits to Kody will be treated like a special event.
The other kids wanted to spend Christmas with the entire crowd, but it was Robyn who wouldn't allow it. Meri wanted everybody over for Christmas Eve, Robyn said no. Kody refused to allow Janelle's kids in his house but refused to visit them at the vacation rental. Robyn said it would be "scary" to have everybody together.
Robyn has never wanted her kids to be exposed to the other kids. Gabe and Aurora see each other at school but Not outside of school when Robyn and Kody are around.
Janelle invited Robyn and her kids over to tour her camper and Robyn's girls went all mean girls on Savannah, calked her bedroom fit for dogs. Savannah had a hard time living out there after that. That episode was particularly awful. .
That one stood out in my mind.
Nah- I disagree with Allison & David on quite a few points regarding this episode.
I believe Christine could have definitely preserved Truly‘s relationship with Kody by moving her, due to the fact that Truly was still very young and naïve and that’s the way Kody liked & got along with his children. By moving Truly before she became a teenager and became more apt to disagree with her father, perhaps developing a more contentious relationship, by moving- the relationship would have a better likelihood of staying a positive because of the rarity of the visits. Being around Kody very often would cause anybody to be miserable and disagreeable.
Robin is the one that kept the younger kids from everyone else.
Not seeing Kody's gaslighting is beginning to be a 🚩🚩 to me.
Robyn's older kids could have helped the younger ones with the gift exchange. There was no legitimate reason Robyn needed to be involved other than control.
I agree with what everyone else said, Christine was in the right for moving Truly away. Now she doesn't notice her dad ignoring her as much.
Totally agree
The families are so separated doing their own things, so TLC has to schedule and force content.
Kody should have been there for Garrison when he bought his house and car. He could have used it as an ice breaker to talk to them and work things out. But he was probably to busy going with aurora to get her ears pierced at that time.
I agree with Christine about preserving Truely and Kody's relationship. Look at his relationship with Savannah...his child in town. She can easily see that he makes no efforts to see her. When Christine brings Truely in town to see Kody...he makes more of an effort because the time is finite. He is forced to be more intentional.
In ordinary circumstances, Dr. David, you would be absolutely correct that moving a child away from a parent is wrong. In this instance, Christine tricked Kody into regular visits with a child he has ignored since birth and not visited regularly since before the pandemic by making him think something was taken from him. You know how Kody is - "Mine, mine, mine!" Plus now Kody feels like he has to compete with David Wooley in being attentive to Truely.
Kody is admitting to throwing in the towel..and and abandoning his kids. He is so childish and instead of doing what his wives did and putting ALL the kids first he trash talked them to make himself feel better ! In fact he seems to be the only one trashing talking ! The way Janelle and Christine has handled the mess he has made is commendable! And as usual Robyn does more damage to her own kids with her actions of excluding her kids instead of letting the children all come up with the Xmas plan and then presenting it to the parents for final ok! She herself drew the line ! It may be better at this point to painfully cut ties with that family before any more damage is done to all the kids! Sad but true! But Janelle and Christine know all too well how to damage control when Robyn does this crap! As usual they mop up Kody and robyns disaster ! To bad the other moms cannot help robyns kids in the same way cause Robyn cont.with the damage by recreating her own story as to what happen and why!
I think Christine did save the relationship between Truely and Kody. All the other kids who live there see how much their dad doesn’t come around. Truely gets to see him every time she come to town. She is probably seeing him more than any of the other kids just because Kody wants to spite Christine
Sadly, I think you are right. Kody wants to win the PR war with Christine and realizes that if he doesn't see Truly when she is in town, that makes him look very bad. I don't think he thought that way about ignoring Savannah because he assumed Janelle would eventually get back with him and never publicly call him out on it.
Yeah and truly is still young, I doubt he’ll stay as connected once she hits the teen years…
Robyn has truly done a number on her children. At no point did the family not want to gather with them. The kids were told not to come over. So how does that get changed to "we were told negative things were said about us"? Robyin is a liar and she's manipulated everyone including her kids.
Christine’s preserving the relationship was not BS, it’s a logical workaround for a woman who knows real Kody better than anyone else on this planet. 😂
If Popsych thinks Kody is a narcissist and sees how awful Kody treats his grown children, why on earth would he feel Truly should be around him more? Where was Kody while Christine/Truly were still in Flagstaff?
Help me understand why you would want a child around an abusive/manipulative person?
Agree. Kody in small doses is better.
I don’t think your assessment of Robyn’s intervention in the gift exchange is correct. The other siblings were trying to include all of Robyn’s kids, not exclude them. Robyn stepped in to micromanage when it was not her place to do so. She should have let her older kids help manage the name draw and gift exchange for their younger siblings with the other siblings.
I totally agree with you!
That's how I saw it too
What Christine means:
If she takes TRULY aeay and she doesn't see her dad TRULY will assume that her dad is far away abd shes inaccessible, rather than TRULY thinkinking her dada is neglecteting her.
I totally Get it !
Some of the kids weren’t really allowed at Robyn’s house, so i don’t know how they would’ve brought gifts over there.
Kody doesn’t give a crap that Truly lives in another state. He doesn’t bother seeing Savannah and she’s minutes away. He also barely saw truly when they lived there. Fathers like him don’t make any effort to have a relationship with their children, the mothers or kids have to come to him. Please don’t make it sound like poor Kody because Christine took her away. No one left them out, Robin has always kept herself and her kids separated from the family. Christine said how hurt she was when Robin hired her cousin to be a nanny instead of asking her to help or Mary reaching out and try to take robins kids to do something and Robin refused.
Savannah is his daughter too but he doesn’t even try to have a relationship with her so why does he have a relationship with Truely? - maybe because Christine calls him. He doesn’t come to Utah to see Truely. He didn’t see Truely when she lived in Flagstaff. I also don’t believe he reached out to Garrison and Gabe. Robyn and Kody have screwed up those kids.
With Truely though, Kody probably sees her more now than when they lived close to them
These are kids that are hurt and a grown a** man acting like a child... He is so a tit for tat. I get Christine's sarcasm, I think the sarcasm is a coping mechanism for not blowing up.
Kody is not right!!! When they were there he didn’t see her for weeks!!! Savannah lives there and he doesn’t see her!!!! So how in the hell do you believe he would see truly when he said out of his own mouth that he wasn’t seeing truly because he didn’t want to see Christine!
So make that make since… whatever your situation was, was your situation, but we clearly see there’s a test study right in front of us that he will not visit if she is there!
He wasn’t seeing Truely when she was in Arizona so why does it matter if she is there or not. If he had been a good father and paying attention to Truely I would agree with you but he wasn’t. He doesn’t care if he sees Truely or not because he was done with Christine. Truely didn’t even notice the difference after the parents broke up. Which is also what Savanna said too.
I am disappointed in this review. You two need to watch it again. You seemed to miss it when Robyn's daughters revealed that prior to the text thread, they had already been told that the other families didnt want anything to do with them, that Gabe and Aurora have a relationship at school but not outside of school, (is it a secret?) and Robyn had Mykelti do her dirty work and tell the others she was no longer speaking to them.
As for the trauma of Robyn's kids being left out of the gift exchange, the only reason they were left out was because Robyn and Kody would not host Christmas at their house, and would not go to anybody else's house. Meri wanted everybody for Christmas Eve and Robyn and Kody said no.
Then jump to April 2022: Avalon's first birthday. Mykelti and Tony travelled to Flagstaff for Avalon's birthday party and only Robyn's kids were there. All the other Flagstaff kids, Avalon's other aunts and uncles, were MIA. Why weren't they there? Who is excluding whom?
I agree, I think David missed that Robyn was trying to control the gift exchange by changing it to zoom, using scare tactics so her kids would agree with her, and using past trauma to justify her position. I disagree with David’s statement that that was reasonable.
I agree. I think the good dr missed the mark there.
Kody never makes an effort to go out of his way to see Truely. He only sees her when Christine brings her to Flagstaff. It's no like he would go to Utah to see her or meet Christine halfway between the two homes to get Truely every other weekend or anything.
U guys are usually spot on but every once in awhile u guys are way off base lol. UsuLly the husband not the wife. This episode I think u guys were wrong about Christine preserving relationship of truly and her dad and the text exchange I couldn't follow how you got that Robyn was right to demand a zoom call. I think they were just going to drop off the gifts.
The phrase "Anger is sad's bodyguard" comes to mind every time they show a clip of Kody.
Oohhhh....I love that. I'm going to apply it to something I'm currently going through. Is it from any particular book?
I heard it not that long ago --- someone had mentioned it on a Facebook post. It's a good one! 😀@@shelleykapp9637
Robyn is the one who isolated her Kids, then says she’s upset that they were excluded
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Your wife stated that you’re from a similar situation in regards to the Kody/Truly relationship. I think that it’s clouding your judgment to be objective in this instance. Kody is NOT right here. Tell me how many minor children living near him that he has great relationships with? And no, his children with Robyn do not count. Savannah is there and he couldn’t even contact her for Christmas. And don’t bother putting that on Janelle either because if Kody was so great at keeping relationships with his kids no mother would need to step in. Sorry, I’m just going to have to disagree with your assessment here.
Christine thinks she’s preserving that relationship because he doesn’t see his daughter. In her mind, moving 5 hours away and him not seeing her makes more sense than being 5 minutes away and not seeing her. It may not be right but I get what she’s saying. The blinders will only be on for so long though, at some point Truley will see.
He’s yet to go to Utah to see her, every visit at this point is because Christine brought her.
I would totally watch you guys watch the whole show - there’s never enough of ya. I wish people would have commented more on how hurt Garrison & Gabe are. Garrison totally teared up in the interview, totally breaks my heart seeing them hurt.
Robins girls - that just pisses me off how Robin victimized them rather than try to protect & preserve the kids relationships together. Robin absolutely alienated everyone because she’s never liked them & wants Kody to herself.
Kody spends no time with most of his kids, including Truly. Think taking her away from him makes it easier to not blame him for lack of visiting. So easier for Truly to still love him cause they CANT see each other as often. Rather than if they lived close its more clearly ho CHOOSES not to see her.
I agree with Christine. Kody had zero relationship with Truely predivorce. He never came around. Post divorce he has set times and Christine brings Truely to him. Kody still doing zero amount of the work.
No! Robyn’s kids we’re not left out until Robin called separate Christmas. They were doing Christmas together until robyn and kody called it as unsafe to be getting together for Christmas. Then the other families made separate Christmas plans. The kids’ intention was to do the gift exchange in person with their siblings until Robyn intervened and said let’s do it over zoom. Then she presented it to her kids as the other kids are doing a separate Christmas because they don’t like you, when it was her doing all along.
This ☝️.
There's that word 'unsafe ' again. They use that word alot to cover a variety of situations that make them uncomfortable.The most unsafe thing about robin and kody s house is that drug store on the kitchen counter within reach of children. Now that is unsafe.
I do see where Christine is coming from with her comment about Truely's relationship with her dad. Leaving my ex, my son was my most important consideration at the time. I honestly believe he was well, in danger at times, but also would have emotionally struggled, as I did, with the emotional baggage that comes from parents who do not get along. So, nowhere is Kody going to visit Truely as far as I know, yet Christine is doing her best to keep that relationship there for her daughter and ex. I'm not sure how else it can work?
I just have to tell you how much I LOVE watching the two of you interact. You come across as an incredibly sweet, funny, enjoyable couple. You brighten my day every time I watch you, enjoying each other as you analyze, laugh and share your insights. You listen to each other so well and regularly laugh at yourselves in the process.
You are both a breath of fresh air and I wish you lived nearby, here in Vermont, so we could be friends!
Thanks for all you share with us-it make me feel renewed 💕💫💕!
The kids were talking about ALL of the children having a get together. Robyn's kids were not being left out. If said that her children could join them it in person due to Covid rules, that was her choice not the kids' fault. She never wanted the exchange to happen, or she would not have upset her kids w/ false info. prior to the conversation. Christine's moving Truely would only be wrong if she father who wanted to spend quality time with her frequently & she does not. Savannah is his only other minor child not under Robyn's roof and we see how he disappoints & neglects her regularly.
They had contacted Robyn’s kids, their siblings, to participate in the exchange. Robyn didn’t want them over there. That had been established. She stuck her nose in and insisted on zoom. The kids wanted in person. That was what the issue was. I don’t know how this could be misunderstood.
My interpretation was also that the kids were invited to the airbnb for the gift exchange, and Robyn did not want to go there. Kody made a big point about how he wasn't going to the airbnb (when Janelle invited him), because Xmas had to be at his house. That means that Robyn, being "loyal" to Kody, can't go there either.
"It's his daughter and he cant do anything about it" He had YEARS to do something about it. If Truly was living in the same city he would continue to ignore her like he always has.
I think if he was not there all the time or visiting. When you take that away people tend to feel they need to overcompensate with that person that is not there. Cody was not there for his kids when they were in Flagstaff. Now that Truely is gone he wants to work see her more. Look at Savanna she is in flagstaff but he is not there for her or visits her. Truely was always uncomfortable with Cody. I think Christine is rights.
Him saying Christine taking truely away from him..where is he when they where there?i dont think the 5 hours drive made a difference when it comes to relationship when he dont even see truely when she was living couple miles away before..
Actually...I think Cristine taking truley away from Cody helped his relationship because before she did that in one of the interviews she said he hasn't visited her and once she decided to move he all of a sudden wants to see Truley. So it did help their relationship .
Agree
I agree. Also when she moved away and now comes to town occasionally and then truely goes to see her dad and truely thinks things are fine with her dad. If she stayed in flagstaff and then kody never reached out…like he did both savannah, then truely will begin to notice that her dad isnt paying attention to her.
breanna: im shock and confused ....sound soooo familiar😂😂😂
Christine is maintaining Truely”s relationship with Kody by bringing her to town. Kody doesn’t even pay child support for Truely. Christine said last season that her older children saw Kody”s favoritism for Robyn’s children and it damaged their self esteem. Before Christine left, Kody spent very little time with her children so now that she’s bringing Truely to town regularly, Truely has a more consistent relationship with Kody. And by the way, he needs to pay child support.
Robin's kids ALWAYS have that sad look on their faces even when they may be happy.
I 💯 understand Christne. If Truly was there Cody would ignore her like he did when they were living there. But bc he wants to appear like FOT Yr he is spending time with her. Savannah is still there with a married wife and he doesn't see or speak to her. So Christine is saving Truly some hurt
Noone is even going to blink at the chemistry between this set of husband and wife...damn they are adorable...forget reality tv for a moment guys....look at them...the honeymoon eyes are real
I think Christine was right to take Truly because Kody is not seeing Savannah, and she lives in the same town as him.
Watching the two of you interact is my fav part.... the facial expressions everything
I think you give Robyn too much grace in some situations. 🤨 I probably give Christine too much grace. 🤷♀️ I often find your takes frustrating because it feels like you’re ignoring past interactions we’ve been shown… but I also think it’s healthy to hear a different take. At least it gets me to rethink my take (even though I rarely change it 😂).
Looking forward to your in depth take vid later this week.
I find your recap to be very informative and entertaining even if I don't always agree with you. I think you are far too lenient with respect to robin. When she's wrong.....she's wrong. No explanation needed.
I wonder if Christine’s idea of saving Truely was to save her from a realization that her dad is not really around that much, so that she doesn’t experience days like the other older kids experienced as she got older. It can be chalked up to a distance problem, not a he doesn’t want to make time for you problem
An eagle eyed person found a shot of Robyn wearing a coordinated ring, so they ditched their clad rings and got their own rings
Kody only performs to prove an O3 wrong. Let him be good to Truley to prove how awful Christine is. If Kody ever saw Truley in Flagstaff I would agree that moving her would be damaging. But now she has the rationalization that her dad doesn’t see her because she’s so far away and he can opine about how important she is without having to make any effort. You can’t possibly want for her what Savannah has? He doesn’t even mention her name unless challenged about her. And the kids wanted to give Robyn’s kids gifts in person she said no.
When you say that the move allows Kody to talk about how much he loves Truly without actually having to make much of an effort-- oh God, that is so true and so sad.
No, Christine was absolutely right about preserving Truley's relationship with Kody. Now there is a much less painful excuse for Kody's neglect: physical distance. Look at how Kody treats Savannah. She lives in the same city as him, but he didn't even call her on Christmas. And there is no excuse for that. By removing Truley from Kody's vicinity, she not only gives him a better excuse to ignore her most of the time, she also turns him into a kind of "Disney Dad" who sees the child rarely and is incentivized to make it fun so the child will want to keep coming. This does not diminish whatever David's childhood situation was, but in this case, Christine was right to take Truley away from the obvious favoritism of Robyn's kids. Savannah is all the proof you need for how it would have been had she stayed.
I LOVE your interaction! Had me laughing so hard alongside you two! Your smiles are infectious. Can't wait for this week's short recap and seeing the both of you again next week.