We also have the tcg exclusive called garura, one of the best super poly targets ever, that came out in the same set. Not saying that's the whole reason, but it's one part of many.
also tcg have time to brew tear, spright tier 0 only happen like a week after set came out and imo they have clear way to build compared to tear where you need to experiment with different engine to make it better before ishizu
@@_hanamizuki the deck started to fell off during the end of january, pretty much when cyac arrived, so Purely, Shs and Tear became the three big boys to beat, along with Kashtira's Return and Adamancipator (aka the rock pile), the february banlist pretty much doomed that strategy.
Comment sliding on the Junk Dopple remarks. The info in tweet was totally correct; Yes Junk Synchron was still a popular card in the TCG, but Junk Dopple piles were strictly weaker versions of the synchro decks popular at that time, as the best thing you could be doing by a mile was playing Tengu Plant. I had a buddy who due to budget was forced to run the Junk Dopple pile and let me tell you, the tweet was right; it wasn't it.
While I personally never thought BASED was that good it was just a product of the format around it and everything at the time being absolutely awful, MBT is off the mark on how popular it was.
Dragonmaid was tier 1 in the OCG in Tri Brigade, Prank Kids and VW format. Those decks die to 1 Tidying bounce lmfao, not to mention maxx C. Maid also plays pretty well into Maxx C. Coming to the TCG, 1 Tidying couldn’t do sht and no Maxx C so the deck flopped. Code Talker control with Heatsoul was also pretty fun. You draw every turn into handtrap with Heatsoul and sit back with Cynet Conflict, then proceed to OTK your opp whenever you want later. I’d much prefer this than Mathmech. Spright plays better into Maxx C since none of the Spright starts a chain, and Gigantic just scream “no Nib or Gamma”. If you Maxx C, you might risk losing a card for nothing since they can simply stop at any time they want. Now that MD is here TCG players understand Maxx C a bit, but coming to side deck you’d rather sit back with some handtraps, let your opp -1 from throwing Maxx C into a normal summoned Swap Frog, than letting them get to their side cards.
If Maxx C on the Swap Frog keeps you from playing out your Spright combo, don't you just get steamrolled by your opponent, who then gets to play as if _they_ went first (except for getting a Battle phase)? Your handtraps might keep them from OTKing but you likely end in a losing position, don't you?
the most entertaining part of the video was how personal he took europe not being included. "yugioh worlds is just a crew battle between america and japan" lmao
I think another reason why Dragoon invoked took off, ocg was at post-TOSS format with every other top decks got major hit atleast consistently speaking with their limits/semis
Non American as in not living in the Americas? If so the video does literally say “in America”. Now if you mad about him not thinking to the other American country well touché.
Only sane reason why spright had more popular in ocg in first pote format was purely because everyone still figure out how to play tear While spright gameplan already as clear as blue sky
Yea. Spright can search maxx c (tear lose to it), they play a lot of handtraps (tear die to nibiru on pote release). On some build, spright can buster lock too with union carrier. Spright is way easier to play, and have a very good matchup against tear at the time.
I think my favorite example of this was Shaddoll format. Stick-Chair Shaddolls was considered the best deck in the OCG, but when it came to TCG, we preferred Clown Dolls instead.
People losing their shit over America when the twitter thread itself that everyone was actually answering clearly says OCG and TCG and you can see that less than a minute into this video. And like yeah he's from America, its not like folks get uppity when Josh only talks about prices on Cardmarket and not TCGplayer cause he's not American. Also "MBT has such a bad take on Adventure PK" like my brother someone else made that post, the thread isn't MBT asking and answering himself outside of the first example it ain't him lol the only Adventure P K deck that dominated was Prank Kids that was literally format #4 in a row of folks saying PK was busted and it doing nothing
the reason i think r-ace isn't top there in tcg is because other top deck is still strong at full power (kashtira, spright, runick) not really because of maxx c, current popular R-ace build doesn't respect maxx-c either as now auroradon is the popular build also fpr comparison it's kinda hard to tell as i think ROTK take data from bunch of locals, while tcg usually only see tops from big tournament
Mainly Runick, that deck really counters Rescue Ace, Kashtira funnily enough has an awful time against Rescue Ace, the combo decks kinda counter Runick so if Combo takes control then I could see Rescue Ace seeing some more playability.
Once again i think its maxx c that made difference in spright format not because spright can search it just the builds of tear tcg was like playing dangers build which is little bit stronger than just a pure tear build that ocg had
The reason some Spright Versions were played much more in the OCG was largely part of the fact they tried to compensate for the lose of Toadally but they never went to the runick version (You could say for Maxx C), but most notably Tri-Brigade did succeed there for the period it was playable and still is actually rogue-Ish.... the reason it never took off was beacsue The Ishizus, the moment they went back to their Tear boner Tri-Brigade just couldn't go 2nd as their entire play is shut down by them.. later down the line Blue was limited and Elf was banned which basically didn't help the deck. It is extremely good in MD right now for example and I would argue underrated, also one reason is maybe beacuse that it is complicated. They don't just summon and go like Toad Spright. But you do see it often in ladder...
Keep in mind that almost all responses to the tweet are very specific to US TCG community, where cards release later than they should CONSTANTLY, and by the time we get many decks, a different deck has already taken its place, with THE best example being dragonmaid flopping because we had dragonlink. Additionally, many decks just get skipped over because we’re just not interested in them. we were well aware of tear’s strength so spright just straight up was skipped. And as usual, having your deck only be good bc of a card that we know is gonna get banned eventually makes us less willing to spend on it.
I'd be interested to know if any failed to convert on the basis of the public/private knowledge quick-effect priority system of the OCG vs the SEGOC of the TCG.
most south east Asian, such Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, China are using OCG rulling and banlist. To be precise most Asian country yugioh player are using OCG rulling and banlist. However for card release outside Japan is following TCG.
Is funny because he say america to USA when there are more countries in the american continent, and many of them play yu-gi-oh as well, for example me i'm from Chile south america
Most key cards came 6 months + later than expected...while it was basically the best thing to play in the ocg, in the rest of the world it barely got any good time since Zoo came and once Zoo was hit and we thought D/D/D is back...spyral sneaked into the format
R-Ace will be second fiddle to Labrynth and perhaps if we also put Runick in the equation in the TCG methinks. in the OCG some of the stuff labrynth used is also used in Runick with led them to get in the banlist (Skill Drain for example). However it does not mean R-Ace is bad deck even after support, it will be overshadowed in the TCG. VS on the other hand is purely on the Maxx C side of the argument, on the bright side the TCG can play with the Kash engine while in the OCG Kash engine is DEAD
6:20 ocg did not have ROTD staples such as droplet and talent during the first few months of Dragoons release. even then, it went to 0 2 lists after it was released. 7:40 they had, electrumite, halq, union carrier, SNOW, fenrir (don't know if they did that one) and sksv (didn't play that one, they're not dark) all legal and this shit took a 1st or 2nd at their ycs? but yeah uh, halq, carrier 0??? halq was unironically the thing keeping pendulums alive, unviable since, with or without, bystials/kash, gimmie 1 elekkktrumiteee. 12:00 garura killed spright in the tcg, fukin super poly. 16:35 for infernoble, the ocg didn't have phoenix blade, which I will die on this hill, was the problem with isolde, the OCG has recently printed a basically HOPT phoenix blade.
I get MBT only including the US is goofy but i think people failed to realize that he only talking about decks that failed to convert to specifically the US so decks that saw play in EU obv wouldnt be talked about the same💀But its also a “most observant” twitch chat moments
I would have to agree with the person that said Ogier is the better combo starter for infernoble. yeah hand knowledge is cool with Connector into dolphin is neat but if Connector is ever stopped most of the time infernoble passed since the best extenders in the deck worked with Fire warriors only. I'm currently playing 3 ogier and my opponents almost never stop it and I get access to Gearfried to protect my plays so often. if you think Infernoble needs the hand knowledge/rip from connector you're not playing the deck right. if that was the standard then every deck would be unplayable if you couldn't handrip/look at the opponents hand.
I thought he was going to talk about why some decks fail to succeed in North America but they win in Europe or other regions like Rikka. America is a continent.
Here's the thing full combo + Maxx C was basically FTK. Even if you had the out and it involved any amount of special summoning and you couldn't swing for game you still lose.
For what its worth, I find most runick variants to me some levels of cope in the tcg. The only one that I felt like was actually good was the naturia runick version. Free discards, played around pretty much everything, naturia engine had a lot of options with the runick bodies and you just were able to solo matches with the naturia engine in the worst case scenario. Runick cards are just so bad if fountain doesn't resolve, and losing the battle phase on top of it makes clearing fields somewhat resource intensive. I'd rather just play going second spright or spright twin with like 12 defensive cards than runick spright.
Runick isn't really built for breaking boards, it is more of no you don't play and i will keep you my prisoner until you deck out. Like yeh runick is bad at breaking board and going second if they dont resolve the field spell as much as mathmech was unplayable if your opponent has 5 negates and don't let your circular resolve. Most one card combo decks are reliant on that 1 card resolving or they won't play and runick is in this category, but if you let it resolve, you are in for a very bad game. I have seen full power D-link, swordsoul, branded and spright lose badly to runick. Runick isn't the best deck around tho and yes it does have many choke points unlike other decks that can afford some of their key cards negated, but still it is a decent deck overall.
I think Rescue Ace's main suggested selling point for the TCG post DuNe was going 2nd into boards like Superheavy and Purrely, but since those decks were hit way quicker than we expected in the TCG the deck kinda loses a lot of it's good matchups
Surprisingly it has a pretty good Kashtira matchup. Shifter does F'all to Rescue Ace. I think people will catch on soon enough but it sucks ass vs Runick so maybe not until Post AGOV.
Also i feel like if i just watch yacines videos all the stuff in mbts video has been covered already Not sure if anyone else feels like that but i do for the ocg decks
Adamancipators is just more consistent but weaker morphtronics. And I’m serious here. Morphtronics r adamancipator on crack. No HOPT, no locking restrictions, no brake, all gas. Only reason they never seen competitive success was bcuz it was a long time b4 we got ED monsters that the deck cud make and use to actually win with. If u let morphtronics go balls to the walls, they will make dragon link players jealous.
Moral of the story: Maxx C is so game-determinative, it changes entire formats. But, y'know, new players don't care about Maxx C, so why should it matter? 🙂
I wish ocg was only played in Japan. I live in the Philippines and have to use ocg cards. I can't read Japanese. it's hard to bring out my phone every time a card I don't know is used just to read the effect.
as ocgbros we have little to no reason to check up on tcg meta. we get the card early and the banlist is super different so it just made no sense for us to look at tcg meta deck frequently
I find it funny how people keep arguing that "Maxx C keeps combo decks in check is a fallacy and we TCG players have proof", yet here we are, talking about how combo decks perform or not perform because Maxx C exists.
Maxx "C" is good against everything except floowanderezee and stun specifically. Even if you only draw two against labrynth for example, that's just like pot of greed. Also the reason it should be banned is that is so good you have to run it and therefore also have to run the outs to it, in pretty much every deck. That's just not fun.
Well, while Maxx "C" is a REASON for why certain decks succeeded in OCGLand vs here, there are other factors for each one that MBT fails to address in his video: Adventure Tenyi- As said in the video, didn't flop over here so much as we made a different variant of it. Adventure PK wasn't as prevalent over here because Dragon Link took over it's position as the "adventure pile deck" for us, while Dragon Link is MUCH worse performing over there. While this is in part due to Maxx C, it is also because OCG players really didn't have as much time to explore different adventure decks as we did over here in the TCG, since we knew about them several months in advance. Dragoon.dek- This is a VERY old list, since Dragoon for the OCG came out around the end of TOSS, while for us it came out several years later. The reason this deck flopped was mostly because, by the time we got Dragoon, generic good answers to Dragoon were much more prevalent, with answers like Zeus and Droplet being heavily played in the meta at the time. Dragoon simply did not have the ability to compete. Runick Synchro- Halq is banned. Vanquish Souls- lol even in OCGLand this deck is mid. Dracoslayers- completely destroys your point as they were a combo deck better in OCG vs TCG, but ehh, we were on that IshizuTear shit and basically nobody played anything else. Not gonna continue but you get the point.
Adventure p.k was easily tier 1 in the tcg . We had anaconda and dragoon I think people weren't too hot on it because they were worried it was gonna get hit by the banlist which kinda killed its playability
Phantom knight was just kinda bricky and inflexible? I was playing it a bit before protos ban and swordsoul just had that as an auto win card going first. Also you had the 2 dpe bricks, the 3 adventure bricks, maybe the 2 ba bricks if you wanted cherubini to be able to get to rusty bardiche by itself. The deck was scary, but you just had more consistent options in the format.
@shawnjavery true It was like a pile deck with lots of gas if not interupted I played swordsoul that format so i remember those games with protos Also prankkids adventure was way more consistent
Im American and i get why he does that lol. Maybe you have to love here, but EVERYTHING centers around us. Even the term "American", america is 2 continents with like 40 countries and we use "American" to mean people from just 1 country, The United States of America. We are a pretty big deal 😅
@@lyfed2566I like mbt but the way he acts like exactly one deck is good at a time and the way all his followers “follow” him in that annoys me. And like come on bro even if you call kitchen sink “tier 2” tier 2 is still a pretty damn good deck.
I stopped watching his stuff when I watched his testing series and saw several decks I play being built 'optimally' (MBT filling it with so many handtraps and board breakers with no extenders that the decks nearly brick every time) and then calling said archetypes bad or mediocre when he doesn't win with them, just too annoying.
maxx doesn't force player to take different strategy, but it doesn't allow you to play yugioh just ban it already, or just keep it for Japanese player only so other asian country who forced to play OCG format have not deal with those garbage card
Ithink we should call Europe the ECG because with few exceptions our Deckbuilds in Europe are a bit better and include mostly various Engines and Decks. I tried some deckbuilds from us youtubers on locals and they flopped because they were more fragile to interruptions than most of our european builds.
didn't you know there is the OCG in japan, he TCG in amerika the CCG in europe the oCG in china the justlikeeverythingelseherethistowantstoendyourlifeCG in oceania
Where’s clown blade 😂 everyone was hyping it up, there was like 10 players all playing proxy clown blade mirror matches at my locals and was telling me how skilled the deck was. They all quit playing the deck 1 week after release 😂😂
That's because the deck relied on lavaval chain because you'd draw tricklown or thousand blade with an extender, send the other one with chain, and iirc the standard play was to make ptol with the 2 attach a matetial and summon pleiades on the opponent's turn, triggering clown and blade to get 2 more bodies out and threaten 2 more rank4s on your opponent's turn, all off of 2 cards. Without lavaval chain it took way too many cards to set up the loop.
@@grodon909it's because half of Americans are so unbelievably self centered and the other half genuinely can't tell if Europe is a continent, country or state in America.
Just as Bandit Keith said
"every country in the world belongs to America"
Except Kosovo, Kosovo belongs to Serbia.
@@kindlingking I hope you are trolling
@@kindlingkingSerbia belongs to kosovo
@@thiccupcake Serbia belongs to God. God bless Serbia.
@@kindlingking Kosovo is god. May serbia be forgiven by kosovo
The reason Spright didn’t become tier 0 in the TCG was because people already knew Tear is gonna win the Arms Race.
We also have the tcg exclusive called garura, one of the best super poly targets ever, that came out in the same set. Not saying that's the whole reason, but it's one part of many.
The TCG also discovered powerful versions of Tear that for some reason no one really played in the OCG.
also tcg have time to brew tear, spright tier 0 only happen like a week after set came out and imo they have clear way to build compared to tear where you need to experiment with different engine to make it better before ishizu
@@fatcat2015Danger Tear was the best build when pote came out and that deck gets folded by Maxx C
@fatcat2015 they did actually play but it never took off as much
"no longer played, nothing changed"
Losing 2 spright blu and elf banned is nothing, totally
You can't even supplement the Blues with Jet and Starter since those are limited too.
nah deck fell off even before the other spright hits
@@_hanamizuki the deck started to fell off during the end of january, pretty much when cyac arrived, so Purely, Shs and Tear became the three big boys to beat, along with Kashtira's Return and Adamancipator (aka the rock pile), the february banlist pretty much doomed that strategy.
@@Jack-zz9bj SHS was relevant for less than a week
this is what joe brandon's america looks like
Joshua, you will love the comments of those videos. Take like 2 mins to just scroll through at the end
Comment sliding on the Junk Dopple remarks. The info in tweet was totally correct; Yes Junk Synchron was still a popular card in the TCG, but Junk Dopple piles were strictly weaker versions of the synchro decks popular at that time, as the best thing you could be doing by a mile was playing Tengu Plant. I had a buddy who due to budget was forced to run the Junk Dopple pile and let me tell you, the tweet was right; it wasn't it.
Because Malaysia, Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Philippines, etc play the SEACG or ACG and the whole of Europe play the EUCG. Great job MBT.
and he is definitely not including Central America nor South America when he says America
The video does say “in America”
Makes sense, the Superbowl is basically the World Championship of American Football.
"Every country that's not in Asia is America" - Bandit Keith
I can confirm. As a brazilian, I live in America.
While I personally never thought BASED was that good it was just a product of the format around it and everything at the time being absolutely awful, MBT is off the mark on how popular it was.
You make a good point about Konami printing cards that can play around Maxx “C”. Just makes a stronger case for banning it in the OCG and Master Duel.
No.
@@SauceYT0300yes
Dragonmaid was tier 1 in the OCG in Tri Brigade, Prank Kids and VW format. Those decks die to 1 Tidying bounce lmfao, not to mention maxx C. Maid also plays pretty well into Maxx C. Coming to the TCG, 1 Tidying couldn’t do sht and no Maxx C so the deck flopped.
Code Talker control with Heatsoul was also pretty fun. You draw every turn into handtrap with Heatsoul and sit back with Cynet Conflict, then proceed to OTK your opp whenever you want later. I’d much prefer this than Mathmech.
Spright plays better into Maxx C since none of the Spright starts a chain, and Gigantic just scream “no Nib or Gamma”. If you Maxx C, you might risk losing a card for nothing since they can simply stop at any time they want. Now that MD is here TCG players understand Maxx C a bit, but coming to side deck you’d rather sit back with some handtraps, let your opp -1 from throwing Maxx C into a normal summoned Swap Frog, than letting them get to their side cards.
If Maxx C on the Swap Frog keeps you from playing out your Spright combo, don't you just get steamrolled by your opponent, who then gets to play as if _they_ went first (except for getting a Battle phase)?
Your handtraps might keep them from OTKing but you likely end in a losing position, don't you?
the most entertaining part of the video was how personal he took europe not being included. "yugioh worlds is just a crew battle between america and japan" lmao
I think another reason why Dragoon invoked took off, ocg was at post-TOSS format with every other top decks got major hit atleast consistently speaking with their limits/semis
Josh is speaking for all of us non American TCG players lmao
non-American.... for now.
@@skiing4everPS3 what does that even mean?
@@KixMusaid Oh, you know...
@@skiing4everPS3he doesnt understand... every country in the west is an honorary country of America.
Non American as in not living in the Americas? If so the video does literally say “in America”. Now if you mad about him not thinking to the other American country well touché.
Kozmo was tcg exclusive first. So when true draco metalfoe kozmo came to the ocg it was good while in the tcg the deck already had a bunch of hits
Only sane reason why spright had more popular in ocg in first pote format was purely because everyone still figure out how to play tear
While spright gameplan already as clear as blue sky
Yea. Spright can search maxx c (tear lose to it), they play a lot of handtraps (tear die to nibiru on pote release).
On some build, spright can buster lock too with union carrier.
Spright is way easier to play, and have a very good matchup against tear at the time.
@@ozmaglacius8188did you know that the searching maxx c line is a meme?
@@quangchau3907it’s not, they usually did it if they opened swap +blue/jet/starter which wasnt farfetched
@@ozmaglacius8188 yeah, when ishizu come, tear not real tier0 in ocg. So ocg punish spright to hard then tear.
We had Toad legal for a longer time, searchable Maxx C, Buster Locks no Garura to fear.
I think my favorite example of this was Shaddoll format. Stick-Chair Shaddolls was considered the best deck in the OCG, but when it came to TCG, we preferred Clown Dolls instead.
Sorry Josh, he meant to say America and its eastern hemisphere colonies (All European nations)
People losing their shit over America when the twitter thread itself that everyone was actually answering clearly says OCG and TCG and you can see that less than a minute into this video. And like yeah he's from America, its not like folks get uppity when Josh only talks about prices on Cardmarket and not TCGplayer cause he's not American.
Also "MBT has such a bad take on Adventure PK" like my brother someone else made that post, the thread isn't MBT asking and answering himself outside of the first example it ain't him lol the only Adventure P K deck that dominated was Prank Kids that was literally format #4 in a row of folks saying PK was busted and it doing nothing
the reason i think r-ace isn't top there in tcg is because other top deck is still strong at full power (kashtira, spright, runick) not really because of maxx c, current popular R-ace build doesn't respect maxx-c either as now auroradon is the popular build
also fpr comparison it's kinda hard to tell as i think ROTK take data from bunch of locals, while tcg usually only see tops from big tournament
Mainly Runick, that deck really counters Rescue Ace, Kashtira funnily enough has an awful time against Rescue Ace, the combo decks kinda counter Runick so if Combo takes control then I could see Rescue Ace seeing some more playability.
Josh getting upset about the TCG being stated as only America is hilarious
Once again i think its maxx c that made difference in spright format not because spright can search it just the builds of tear tcg was like playing dangers build which is little bit stronger than just a pure tear build that ocg had
I don’t see what the problem is. America and Japan are simply the only countries that exist/play yugioh
The reason some Spright Versions were played much more in the OCG was largely part of the fact they tried to compensate for the lose of Toadally but they never went to the runick version (You could say for Maxx C), but most notably Tri-Brigade did succeed there for the period it was playable and still is actually rogue-Ish.... the reason it never took off was beacsue The Ishizus, the moment they went back to their Tear boner Tri-Brigade just couldn't go 2nd as their entire play is shut down by them.. later down the line Blue was limited and Elf was banned which basically didn't help the deck.
It is extremely good in MD right now for example and I would argue underrated, also one reason is maybe beacuse that it is complicated. They don't just summon and go like Toad Spright. But you do see it often in ladder...
tbh he's looking extra cute when he's being sarcastic with lots of side-eye body energy 😍
Does MBT just talk out of his bum hole because when ever someone reacts to these threads, it’s just people saying “not true”
Keep in mind that almost all responses to the tweet are very specific to US TCG community, where cards release later than they should CONSTANTLY, and by the time we get many decks, a different deck has already taken its place, with THE best example being dragonmaid flopping because we had dragonlink. Additionally, many decks just get skipped over because we’re just not interested in them. we were well aware of tear’s strength so spright just straight up was skipped. And as usual, having your deck only be good bc of a card that we know is gonna get banned eventually makes us less willing to spend on it.
I'd be interested to know if any failed to convert on the basis of the public/private knowledge quick-effect priority system of the OCG vs the SEGOC of the TCG.
most south east Asian, such Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, China are using OCG rulling and banlist. To be precise most Asian country yugioh player are using OCG rulling and banlist. However for card release outside Japan is following TCG.
The rescue Ace dig didn’t foresee the next few months.
Is funny because he say america to USA when there are more countries in the american continent, and many of them play yu-gi-oh as well, for example me i'm from Chile south america
I thought Chile was a state in the USA Clueless
Why isn't this channel listed in the other channels from the main? The only one linked is the VOD channel.
wow half of the stuff MBT said was just blatantly wrong lol
Average MBT video tbh
@@SunsaparillaI'd say above average, lol
i'm curious. detail pls
Well, MBT is known for crap takes like this
Damn Josh Caught me posting unlock the block on xvideos
MBT actually not clickbaiting with the title saying AMERICA because in europe that stuff topped lmao.
isnt D/D/D like the text book definition of a deck that couldnt do much here cuz we had a different schedule
Yes, we had one or two weeks with it and then zoodiac happened.
Most key cards came 6 months + later than expected...while it was basically the best thing to play in the ocg, in the rest of the world it barely got any good time since Zoo came and once Zoo was hit and we thought D/D/D is back...spyral sneaked into the format
R-Ace will be second fiddle to Labrynth and perhaps if we also put Runick in the equation in the TCG methinks. in the OCG some of the stuff labrynth used is also used in Runick with led them to get in the banlist (Skill Drain for example). However it does not mean R-Ace is bad deck even after support, it will be overshadowed in the TCG.
VS on the other hand is purely on the Maxx C side of the argument, on the bright side the TCG can play with the Kash engine while in the OCG Kash engine is DEAD
6:20 ocg did not have ROTD staples such as droplet and talent during the first few months of Dragoons release.
even then, it went to 0 2 lists after it was released.
7:40 they had, electrumite, halq, union carrier, SNOW, fenrir (don't know if they did that one) and sksv (didn't play that one, they're not dark) all legal and this shit took a 1st or 2nd at their ycs? but yeah uh, halq, carrier 0??? halq was unironically the thing keeping pendulums alive, unviable since, with or without, bystials/kash, gimmie 1 elekkktrumiteee.
12:00 garura killed spright in the tcg, fukin super poly.
16:35 for infernoble, the ocg didn't have phoenix blade, which I will die on this hill, was the problem with isolde, the OCG has recently printed a basically HOPT phoenix blade.
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unlock the block but only for people who play magnet warriors
yeah I can confirm. When rescue ace build up a full board, it is quite easy to break
Tyl0o, do you plan to do another clip compilation, like last year ?
#UnlockTheShock
I like how he brought up infernoble in the MBT video but that during covid time so no real life yugioh events was going on
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I get MBT only including the US is goofy but i think people failed to realize that he only talking about decks that failed to convert to specifically the US so decks that saw play in EU obv wouldnt be talked about the same💀But its also a “most observant” twitch chat moments
I would have to agree with the person that said Ogier is the better combo starter for infernoble. yeah hand knowledge is cool with Connector into dolphin is neat but if Connector is ever stopped most of the time infernoble passed since the best extenders in the deck worked with Fire warriors only. I'm currently playing 3 ogier and my opponents almost never stop it and I get access to Gearfried to protect my plays so often.
if you think Infernoble needs the hand knowledge/rip from connector you're not playing the deck right. if that was the standard then every deck would be unplayable if you couldn't handrip/look at the opponents hand.
I thought he was going to talk about why some decks fail to succeed in North America but they win in Europe or other regions like Rikka.
America is a continent.
Proof mbt has no clue of the competetive card game
Better off Maxx C’ing a Tear player on your own turn than on their turn 😂
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Here's the thing full combo + Maxx C was basically FTK. Even if you had the out and it involved any amount of special summoning and you couldn't swing for game you still lose.
The banning of Block Dragon and Chaos Ruler Curious and Snow was a mistake
I live in America not the US, and i still don't feel included for some reason with MBT description
Important to note is when he say america, he mean USA. Thats "United statians" act
Is Europe in South America?
Yes, right next to south africa.
For what its worth, I find most runick variants to me some levels of cope in the tcg.
The only one that I felt like was actually good was the naturia runick version. Free discards, played around pretty much everything, naturia engine had a lot of options with the runick bodies and you just were able to solo matches with the naturia engine in the worst case scenario.
Runick cards are just so bad if fountain doesn't resolve, and losing the battle phase on top of it makes clearing fields somewhat resource intensive. I'd rather just play going second spright or spright twin with like 12 defensive cards than runick spright.
Runick isn't really built for breaking boards, it is more of no you don't play and i will keep you my prisoner until you deck out.
Like yeh runick is bad at breaking board and going second if they dont resolve the field spell as much as mathmech was unplayable if your opponent has 5 negates and don't let your circular resolve.
Most one card combo decks are reliant on that 1 card resolving or they won't play and runick is in this category, but if you let it resolve, you are in for a very bad game.
I have seen full power D-link, swordsoul, branded and spright lose badly to runick.
Runick isn't the best deck around tho and yes it does have many choke points unlike other decks that can afford some of their key cards negated, but still it is a decent deck overall.
And by "America" usually applies just to USA... not the entire continent...
Madlads posting unlock the block in xvideos comments
Fun fact: Americans have won every paper Worlds since Josh got mad about this
I think Rescue Ace's main suggested selling point for the TCG post DuNe was going 2nd into boards like Superheavy and Purrely, but since those decks were hit way quicker than we expected in the TCG the deck kinda loses a lot of it's good matchups
Surprisingly it has a pretty good Kashtira matchup. Shifter does F'all to Rescue Ace. I think people will catch on soon enough but it sucks ass vs Runick so maybe not until Post AGOV.
True tear benefits more from Maxx C but if anyone Maxx Cs me whilst plaing spright ill summon MCat and floodgate their ass for it.
Also i feel like if i just watch yacines videos all the stuff in mbts video has been covered already
Not sure if anyone else feels like that but i do for the ocg decks
well it is nothing new that americans forget that a world outside their borders exists
Why would I watch someone’s video when I could watch someone else watching it
Adamancipators is just more consistent but weaker morphtronics. And I’m serious here. Morphtronics r adamancipator on crack. No HOPT, no locking restrictions, no brake, all gas. Only reason they never seen competitive success was bcuz it was a long time b4 we got ED monsters that the deck cud make and use to actually win with. If u let morphtronics go balls to the walls, they will make dragon link players jealous.
as an american, i can confirm that the tcg is in fact, only played here. if you disagree i will be forced to shoot.
Moral of the story: Maxx C is so game-determinative, it changes entire formats.
But, y'know, new players don't care about Maxx C, so why should it matter? 🙂
Isn’t Europe part of the USA?
Release the lock that is the block dragon ban
I wish ocg was only played in Japan. I live in the Philippines and have to use ocg cards. I can't read Japanese. it's hard to bring out my phone every time a card I don't know is used just to read the effect.
But your cards are cheaper atleast i think? But yeah i feel you must be pretty annoying
well, there's OCG English cards coming soon
@@phamquang7885link?
unlock the block
Fully agree, screw Block Dragon, it absolutely deserves to be banned.
USA!! USA!! USA!! FREEDOM!!!
UNLOCK THE SHOCK
Muricaa 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
chronamally was another
? Pk was literally the best deck at the time
In time btw America it's just USA common knowledge you know
Lol people making shit up in posts to try look like they know everything and have been along for whole thing. Tcg players acting like they know ocg 😂
Do OCG players copy decks as much as TCG players? maybe that's why they don't play Runick Spright etc.
as ocgbros we have little to no reason to check up on tcg meta. we get the card early and the banlist is super different so it just made no sense for us to look at tcg meta deck frequently
The only time tcg meta matter to ocg players is when ocg player(s) play at world
I copied their card ratios
I thought mbt was Canadian
MBT getting called out for bigotism. >.
I find it funny how people keep arguing that "Maxx C keeps combo decks in check is a fallacy and we TCG players have proof", yet here we are, talking about how combo decks perform or not perform because Maxx C exists.
Maxx "C" is good against everything except floowanderezee and stun specifically. Even if you only draw two against labrynth for example, that's just like pot of greed. Also the reason it should be banned is that is so good you have to run it and therefore also have to run the outs to it, in pretty much every deck. That's just not fun.
"I'm nothing without this Maxx X"
"If you are nothing without this Maxx C then you shouldn't have it "
Well, while Maxx "C" is a REASON for why certain decks succeeded in OCGLand vs here, there are other factors for each one that MBT fails to address in his video:
Adventure Tenyi- As said in the video, didn't flop over here so much as we made a different variant of it.
Adventure PK wasn't as prevalent over here because Dragon Link took over it's position as the "adventure pile deck" for us, while Dragon Link is MUCH worse performing over there. While this is in part due to Maxx C, it is also because OCG players really didn't have as much time to explore different adventure decks as we did over here in the TCG, since we knew about them several months in advance.
Dragoon.dek- This is a VERY old list, since Dragoon for the OCG came out around the end of TOSS, while for us it came out several years later. The reason this deck flopped was mostly because, by the time we got Dragoon, generic good answers to Dragoon were much more prevalent, with answers like Zeus and Droplet being heavily played in the meta at the time. Dragoon simply did not have the ability to compete.
Runick Synchro- Halq is banned.
Vanquish Souls- lol even in OCGLand this deck is mid.
Dracoslayers- completely destroys your point as they were a combo deck better in OCG vs TCG, but ehh, we were on that IshizuTear shit and basically nobody played anything else.
Not gonna continue but you get the point.
Block dragons fine, just ban the adamancipators. Let me play gem knight ftk coward.
I love block dragon, it’s based
Everytime someone mentions a deck wasnt as popular in the TCG as it was in the OCG
Josh: "Um Achtually🤓this did get played so no"
America is the only country in the world according to Americans 😉
He’s really beating the “tcg is only played in America” bit for everything it’s got
Adventure p.k was easily tier 1 in the tcg . We had anaconda and dragoon
I think people weren't too hot on it because they were worried it was gonna get hit by the banlist which kinda killed its playability
Phantom knight was just kinda bricky and inflexible? I was playing it a bit before protos ban and swordsoul just had that as an auto win card going first. Also you had the 2 dpe bricks, the 3 adventure bricks, maybe the 2 ba bricks if you wanted cherubini to be able to get to rusty bardiche by itself.
The deck was scary, but you just had more consistent options in the format.
@shawnjavery true
It was like a pile deck with lots of gas if not interupted
I played swordsoul that format so i remember those games with protos
Also prankkids adventure was way more consistent
Im American and i get why he does that lol. Maybe you have to love here, but EVERYTHING centers around us. Even the term "American", america is 2 continents with like 40 countries and we use "American" to mean people from just 1 country, The United States of America. We are a pretty big deal 😅
"yeah people played Zefra" yeah, that was almost six fucking years ago my guy lmao
You gotta go into these videos with the understanding that mbt and his fans just don't play yugioh outside of 1 local every other month.
Honestly mbt's video felt like so much spreading of misinformation.
this is my problem with MBT. yea he is very knowledgeable on casual yugioh and know alot of jank stuff but act like he also understand the meta game
@@lyfed2566I like mbt but the way he acts like exactly one deck is good at a time and the way all his followers “follow” him in that annoys me. And like come on bro even if you call kitchen sink “tier 2” tier 2 is still a pretty damn good deck.
I stopped watching his stuff when I watched his testing series and saw several decks I play being built 'optimally' (MBT filling it with so many handtraps and board breakers with no extenders that the decks nearly brick every time) and then calling said archetypes bad or mediocre when he doesn't win with them, just too annoying.
@@Xfighter000 the reality is that if your deck bricks alot when running handtraps, its simply a bad archetype
So, Maxx "C" does its job properly when it can (force) player to take different strategy to play Yu-Gi-Oh, beside the combo wombo one.
Well it is, I can gave you indonesian or sg competitive deck chart, most people don't play combo deck, they play runick etc.
Well,duh
Ofc
Especially in deck design principle and why more newer archetype had more "max "C" resistant-in built" than older archetype
maxx doesn't force player to take different strategy, but it doesn't allow you to play yugioh
just ban it already, or just keep it for Japanese player only so other asian country who forced to play OCG format have not deal with those garbage card
Maxx C is a beautiful card
Maxx c is a necessary evil
there are only a few english speaking yugitubers that are really good. mbt isnt a part... sorry my opinion.
Ithink we should call Europe the ECG because with few exceptions our Deckbuilds in Europe are a bit better and include mostly various Engines and Decks. I tried some deckbuilds from us youtubers on locals and they flopped because they were more fragile to interruptions than most of our european builds.
14:35 #unlocktheblock this seems 1000times more fun than seeing floodgates all day 😂
didn't you know there is the OCG in japan, he TCG in amerika the CCG in europe the oCG in china the justlikeeverythingelseherethistowantstoendyourlifeCG in oceania
Where’s clown blade 😂 everyone was hyping it up, there was like 10 players all playing proxy clown blade mirror matches at my locals and was telling me how skilled the deck was. They all quit playing the deck 1 week after release 😂😂
That's because the deck relied on lavaval chain because you'd draw tricklown or thousand blade with an extender, send the other one with chain, and iirc the standard play was to make ptol with the 2 attach a matetial and summon pleiades on the opponent's turn, triggering clown and blade to get 2 more bodies out and threaten 2 more rank4s on your opponent's turn, all off of 2 cards.
Without lavaval chain it took way too many cards to set up the loop.
Do you have beef with MBT or something? Honestly curious, the amount of times you drew attention to the America thing is sorta weird man.
Non Americans get salty when we forget they exist
@@grodon909it's because half of Americans are so unbelievably self centered and the other half genuinely can't tell if Europe is a continent, country or state in America.
@@scrapydan3251they also can't tell the difference with beef and stating the obvious.
Why tho that was just some Banter.
@@grodon909 Who is "we"?