He saved a RARE engine from a scrap load, & I found the PERFECT vintage car to drop it in!
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- Mr. Goodpliers goes to an auction but leaves with an empty trailer... then visits a friend on the way home.. then saves an old truck from the scrap yard... and finds a rare engine in the scrap bin!
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Thats is a really cool find on that big block. just a few thinks to mention. nearly all passenger car big blocks has HI-PERF Pass cast in to them. since all big blocks were supposedly high-performance engines. you will also see TRUCK cast in to some engines blocks. these are usually the 366 and 427 tall deck blocks. that have a raised deck height of .400. The 3963512 casting was used for only 427-inch engines from 1969-1971. 1969 for production and 70-71 were warranty replacement or Crate Exchange engines. looks like yours came out of a production vehicle. while only 1 casting was used, there were 2 different machining processes for these engines depending on which horsepower level you ordered. for 335,360,365,390,400 HP engines they received 2-bolt main caps. for 425,430 and 435HP engine, the received 4-bolt main caps and some additional machining for oil cooler bypass above the oil filter boss. so they have bigger oil fittings in that area. the 335-400hp engines got oval port heads and the 425-435hp engines got square port heads. to be honest, the oval port head is better for daily driving. there is more torque down low in the off idle to 4000 RPM range. in fact, the oval port heads will make more power than a square port head by just upgrading the valve sizes to 2.19 and 1.84 and mildly blending the pockets to fit the bigger valves. those are the good large oval port heads with the "Closed" bathtub chambers. the chambers need a little work around the chamber wall in the valve pocket area to get the best flow out of them. but hey are very good right out of the box. it's easy to make 450HP out of one with very little effort and a mild cam. I would go with the 427 and install a TH700R4. the R4 has a deeper first gear to help set your rolling, and a .70 overdrive to keep the rpms down on the highway. the R4 is week from the factory, but a good HP rebuild, and a torque converter lock up kit and they are very solid. i would 3.42 gears in the rear end. it would a solid cruiser and the big block will have plenty of torque to move that big girl down the road. I would run a Holley Sniper or Fi-tech EFI kit on it for revery day drivability and a vintage Air AC kit for comfort. keep the bench seats would just to a basic paint and body job on it to and fix the interior up long with any rusted items and just make it a nice cruiser / daily driver. so much cooler than the mall crawler SUVs that are really just 4-wheel drive Mini Vans people drive these days.
Great info, will definitely look back on this and work it into the plan. Thanks Shad!
well done you must be an old time racer
@waynesuewilson4421 I have been building nig blocks since I was about 12. First under the supervision of my dad and my uncle, then I worked as an apprentice in a small farm town machine shop where I lived. 350s and 454 were our bread and butter money. I have done a few 440s and 351s and 460. But the majority of the work was farm truck motors. After that I started building power boat and drag boat engines. Everything from 396s up to 572. Always wanted to do a 632. But never has the opportunity. Now I mostly do numbers matching rebuilds for guys restoring old cars. My personal favorite was a complete numbers matching resto for a 67 L88. It was a work of art. My current builds are a 396 for a 1970 L78 camaro. And LS3 402 big block for a 71 camaro for myself. (LS3 was a big block rpo code before the modern LS3 gen3 small block) The L78 is matching numbers resto for a guy in the local camaro club. the 402 big block for the 71 camaro is mine. It is going to be a day 2 resto so I get to trick it out a bit. I have a set of vintage cal custom valve covers and a vintage indy D slot mags for it. Just waiting on a few more parts and then it goes out to paint.
FYI. 427 block is same bore as 454. 427 and 396 cranks are the same stroke. So, you could put a 454 crank in and have a 454, or put a 396 or 427 crank in and have a 427.
454's are externally balanced 396 & 427 are internally balanced.
This is the same engine I have in my streetrod, only difference between the 335hp and the 390hp is the camshaft, everything else is the same.
there are a few differences between 454 and 427 blocks. there is some additional clearance in the casting around the bottom of the cylinders to accommodate the 4.000 in stroke of the 454. you can't just put a 454 crank in it and get a 454. it will fit in some blocks but not others unless you clearance the bottom of the cylinders for the longer stroke. also the 366/396/402/427 are not the same. they are all balanced different. the 366-truck motor had .400 inch longer rods and 4 ring pistons and need more weight added to the counterweights. 396/402 crack are balance pretty much the same. just a little less metal was removed from the 402, to account for the .030-inch bigger pistons. the 427 on the other had had 4.25-inch pistons and need more weight on the counterweights to account for them. However, all of them will fit in a 454 block, but will need to be balanced for your piston and rod combination. just about everyone does than when rebuilding a engine anyway. so no big deal, its just something to be aware of when working with these old engines. I have been working with Big Block Chevys since the late 80s. so i built my share of them over the years. and learned a ton of things about them.
What engines had 4-bolt mains? I’m not a GM guy so I thought all HO engines were 4-bolt? I guess I was mistaken.
They made lots of both configurations in addition to the obvious high horsepower versions L88, LS6, LS7 ect, many heavy trucks had 4 bolts snd usually the truck had steel cranks. In big trucks like the 366 version are 4 bolt steel crank but they are tall deck motors.
Mr. B. Here ! Mr. G . What a great fine 👍👍👍👍 The 2 door you save outstanding ! These vehicles 🚗 are part of our automotive history. I understand you are running a business, but there are people looking for cars like these so few left. Good job man ! 🍺🍺👍👍
That would make a great retro build, a two door post with a big block/4 speed and 1960'sspeed equipment and dress up goodies. Not everyone is a LS1 fanatic.
The chassis features some interesting fixes to keep it running too 😁😁
In 1970 they also had the 402 big block, which was a 30 over 396.
Mr. Good pliers: low key and calmly talking about the 427 block he just lucked into.
Any other Chevy guy: faints after discovering he just lucked into a 427 Chevy block.
Chevy Passenger, 2 Bolt Main...as you Said-Base Motor. Good Basis for A Ground Pounding Powerplant!
Love these cars! My very first car! Same color, but mine was two door hardtop, 300 horse 327! I wish I had it back!
512 blocks were used up into 1970 and more. There were used as 454 and 427 engines and they all say hi perf pass on the front. They all can be drilled for four bolt main caps. Yours is just a two bolt but the blocks are the same. 427 and 454 engines both have the same bore size, 4.25 inches and thus can use either crankshaft. They 512's are a very good block and highly desirable. Take it to a shop that has a sonic checker and see how thick it is and if it's been bored. I have seen some that were nearly .350 thick on the thrust sides. These can be bored .125 and will make a 482 with a stock 4 inch 454 crank. That;s why these blocks are so heavy.
Great find Tim !! As usual you have great content!!! Thank you for sharing your journey!!! I pray that you make your hurdles without getting skinned up !!! Be careful my friend and God bless you and yours!!!!! Eddy
That Henry J looked pretty nice.....
Mr. Goodpliers, Take care of yourself and do what you have to, we'll be here when you're ready. I hope everything works out well.
Ya know.... The more I watch your Channel, The more I watch your Channel....reminds me of how we did it from the 70's and 80's!!
I love your videos I hope things work out well for you you never know what life is going to throw at you myself after being married for 45 years my wife tell me she married the wrong guy and left I didn't see that coming . whatever you may be going through I wish you the best . I'm always looking for one of your video your very good at what you do.😊
In 1965, I was driving through a larger town close to my home and happened to notice a nice-looking, lime green Chevy Impala 4-door station wagon pull up next to me at a stop light. The driver was your stereotypic "little, old man" with the hat pulled down to his ears. Then I noticed the fender flag on the Chevy - yep, it was a "427". That would have been a real sneaky car to hit the stop-light drags on Saturday nights... That's a great find, and it will be an awesome addition to the 69 two-door post...
really nice find. love the truck.
All the best to you, Mr Goodpliers. Great channel, not just for the cars but for the very interesting forays into history too. Hope all is well soon. Cheers 👍
All BBC back then had "Hi Perf Pass" on them.
We're Praying for you Tim. Thanks for All yer work.
That's a good find!
Praying that everything works out for you. Appreciate all that you do 🙏❤
I’m came to the channel to listen to Mr. Goodpliers ramble…on. It’s all good.
Awesome stuff. I'll take the truck.
Hope you get through all of the problems my friend. Good luck 🤞
Whenever you find a block, it is always a good sign when someone took the time to put the main caps and bolts back on it. It usually means that if they took the time to do that, the block was rebuildable. If they find something bad, then they usually people just throw them in a pile. Not always true, but a good sign. Thanks for the videos!
My father bought an old chevy farm truck to mount 1200 gallon water tank. Was listed on door frame as a 283 v8. When it started acting up we removed it for a rebuild. First thing I noted was bow tie..,then the tuquoise paint on valve covers. Cleaned them off and it said " Hi Torque 327.!" Someone had put a vette engine in the truck.
That BIGBLOCK IS MADE for THIS TRUCK.
This was the type of engine you would find in a passenger car like a station wagon or large four-door sedan. These lower horsepower engines used 2 bolt main caps and closed chamber oval Port heads. They used a hydraulic cam shaft and a low-profile cast-iron quadrajet intake manifold. This is a good solid block for a street performance engine and the interchangeability of GM's big block Mark four parts gives you a number of options on how to finish it. I built 2 bolt main 396's that made well over 400 horsepower because I could buy an entire 396 engine for $75. This was in the mid 1970s.
400 horses?! That's good news cuz I just built a 2 bolt blown 396 with twins I'm hoping to squeeze 1000+ out of. We'll see how it goes lol
Junk
Sending you good vibes on working through whatever you've got going on...carry on!
I haven't seen to many 2 dr posts of that vintage. In 1967, a guy I knew, bought a big block powered 2 dr, with a 3 speed tranny. It was the only one like that I have ever seen.
The engine is a beautiful find.
Keep the clutch pedal! I swapped a Buick 3.8L V6 and TH200 automatic into a manual Chevette. I kept the clutch pedal and connected it to the transmission kickdown linkage. 12.8 seconds on the 1/4 mile! My little pocket rocket!
Nice block, nice Bel Air. They will go well together.
You did really well! Lot of nice stuff! Great video!
great score on the car and motor! THEY WERE made for Each Other.
Build that 396 to the NINES then put the Two together Hit the gas and HANG ON!
A good couple of saves
Thanks Tim, I always enjoy your videos. And I hope the problems you are facing get sorted out soon.
One other thing to remember is that all automotive Chevy big block castings had the PASS HIPERF lettering cast into to cam gear area. The tall deck medium duty truck engines ( 366 and 427 ) don’t have that lettering cast in. Those blocks also have .0400” taller decks than automotive blocks and require intakes made for them or a spacer set to use an automotive type intake on them.
Thats cool. Good save, hope it works out for you.
All early Big Block have hi perf cast in them.
Loved them both, thanks.
That is a cool find also I'm throwing an idea 💡 and that's all it is and here you go take your engine rebuild the engine and then and then put engine into your truck I'm thinking how cool your truck would be. And thanks for listening 🎶
MORTEC. MORTEC MORTEC EVERY THING FOR MOTORS. HEADS BLOCKS
I hope you checked the frame on that car. They were notorious for bad frames
Nice find on the big block. I have been running big block engines since my 350 horse Chevelle 396. I still have that engine, as well as a 425 horse 427 warrenty engine, which means that, if I was interested in selling it, it would be ideal for a big block Corvette restoration.. I love those big blocks, and hope you can find a home for it.
Oh yeah 427/400 leave the body as is body color steel wheels little wider than stock with correct dog dish hubcaps
The hi po big blocks came with 4 bolt mains I believe.
If you put that 396 BB in it you need to replace the front end springs with heavy springs for a BB.
Great find and an awesome project! I am restoring the 67’ Impala 4 door hard top my grandfather bought new with factory 396/TH400. It’s a lot of work for sure.
Great video and any issues should come out in the wash as we say, I love all the old Chevy stuff and so cool that the scrap man reached out on the Chevy truck, which is basically sound and just needs TLC. All the best Tim, take care sir
Definitely needs that 427, if you can piece it together for cheap. Also seems logical to take as many parts as possible off the 4 door.
So BB and Auto trans is my favorite choice. Otherwise SBC and Auto on the cheap, all detailed out stock appearance
Keep on exploring
Cool vehicles...all of them. They can all be fixed up as long as you got the money and the free time.
I would swap out that frame and maybe just maybe do a 350 engine with a standard transmission as its really a sweet way for them. The big block is out of your league so its a sell to someone needing one if it were me. I am a mechanic of over fifty some odd years and done the floor pans as well. Its a little daunting the first time doing this floor pan thing but so easy when off of the frame. Takes a bit to drill out the spot welds but if the rig is nice and clean... about three hours work to have one out ... then when going in with the pan, its tricky at first but really they just pop in like they want to be in thing... hope I am not over simplifying it. I do enjoy those six cylinder engines as well and they do make a good driver.
Run the vehicle numbers on it to check what car it was in
Thanks for sharing... Tim..
Take care with whatever is going on in your life. I really enjoy your on the fly speaking about all stuff automotive. You keep it interesting and entertaining. (I could not ad lib my way out of a paper bag, so I think your quick thinking and ability to speak on the fly is just amazing) Look forward to whatever the future brings. Again, take care.
427 turbo tyranny & column from the 4 door ,,cheap & dirty fun
Thank you for the great videos and for all you do. I truly hope the hurdles you face pass quickly and easily. You'll be in our thoughts and prayers.
Hi tim put it in the belair an checkout merlins old school garage he just put a 427 in a tow truck look up his last video . Cheers mate🇦🇺
a little encyclopaedic... huge understaement
Sorry to hear about your challenges. Doesn’t sound good, but I sure love your content and will appreciate anything you put out.
Sweet save on the engine!
Obviously the '69 Belair needs to get the 427. It gets painted gloss black on black. Steelies and chrome lugs and stiff suspension. Radio antenna and 1969 Texas plates (black). Unmarked Pursuit Special from the Dealer.
Really cool score Tim , i guess you were at the right place,at the right time for that one…
the 427 stood up to semi and ford 429 the 427 is a beast
First, I hope everything you're dealing with/working thru gets better as quickly & positively as possible.
All were great scores, as has been said by someone famous, "I'll take luck over planning any day." certainly applies to the engine find!!
Not to rain on an idea, just food for thought tho, MAYBE that 427 engine would be a good transplant into that '69 wagon - yes I'm making that plug again. It's already a big block car with all the correct parts right there, & something tells me you can also see the resale potential in a high performance luxo barge.
Hang in there best you can, we'll be here when you got more.
Excellent.
I hope you can fix up the pickup and the car. Put the 427 with a 4 speed in the car, that would be neat.
Dad had that same 2 door post, same color with a 327 engine. Traded it in 1973 for a Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser clam shell wagon. Same blue color with the wood grain and 455 rocket.
The condition of that block it will cost a foy to make it good
All low deck big block Chevrolets have that hiperf marker. Not a rare engine at all. In fact, this is the exact same block that the 1970 and later 2-bolt main 454's would have used, the only difference of course being the casting number and stamp code information. Identical otherwise. This is a very common engine block.
hopefully the lifter bores are not pitted
427 manual would be bad ass!
Make that 2 Dr post a 427 4speed, even a clone original will bring big money if you do a nice job.
Tim, the Impala is a great find, most of your 396-427 did have the Hi-Performance in the cam cover, the rectangle port BB Chevrolet heads from the High Performance 427-454 did have Hi-Performance cast into them, the low performance 396-427 cylinder heads had Pass cast into them, according to the block numbers you have a good find.
You have a lot of parts to buy to make a runner from that bare block.
How would you like to be the chap with the original car seeing his original block on this video!
Thank you for the video another good one
Do what you have to do Tim! Look after yourself first!
Your BelAir is what I would put the 427 in. I had a 69 Belair that someone had swapped the 6 cyl out for a 327 that had a few mods and it ran great and surprised a lot of people. It must have had the original 6 cyl gears and was a 3 on the tree. A big fun sleeper car up to about 90 mph. It looked just like yours but not any body damage anywhere. I put rallies, a set of headers I had laying around and duals on it of course and drove it like I stole it. It had a mean second gear I remember. First gear was pretty low and got you off the line but you had to shift to second pretty quick because of the rpm's. the 327 cranked pretty fast.
if a 69 is your pashion do it a 366 truck has the same crank if i where to build a good motor i would not use a stock rods and pistons when so much better stuff out now and new old stock is just setting on the shelf with the LS nut guys good luck on your ishues
Another good one Tim, best of luck with everything. I hope you find yourself one day doing burnouts with your 427.
Go with a manual transmission. Be a lot more fun.
Of course, you will need a lot more parts to turn this old block into a working engine. You need crankshaft, pistons, heads, bearings and lots of machining to make it all work.
gm mid sized cars were limited to 400 ci until 1970.....i would guess a vette of course the exception to corp eng size policy
My uncle has a 1969 Impala with a factory 427 in it and it has the displacement badge over the front side markers to let everyone know what you about to be messing with. I'm not sure the HP rating but I know it's up there he even has a set of 427 corvette heads that were sought after back in the day before the aftermarket Aluminum heads were a thing.
You need to get that block out of the weather
When are you going to make a tour (viedo) of Joe's yard
most bb have hi po on them . dose it have the 3/4 pipe oil hole on the side by the filter ? and about vin no. there are lots of people out there like crain that for a price will stamp what ever vin you want . but to be corvette what foundry is it from as there can only be one
My first car was a 69 Chevelle with a 396 then I decided to put an L 88 in it so I went to a wrecking yard in Modesto and I paid $300 for the block and then use the heads pistons and everything else from my 396 the car was insanely fast
A four bolt 512 standard bore block is worth maybe $1500 - $2000. A two bolt standard bore 512 block is worth over $1000. The person to buy it would likely convert it to four bolt, and re-stamp the block to make a phony "numbers matching" engine.
Definitely love your channel. I am in complete respect for keeping cars original, BUT since the 427,and this engine-less '69 kinda like fell in your lap.... myz-zal (might as well) build a sleeper!!!😎
unless you got other bigger plans i think the 427 would go nice in that 69 belair, if the productions dates are close and you can find a turbo automatic that would be the ticket
Good score !
Yep , 427 only came in big cars and Corvette's , not Chevelles . Great find though . Great video .
In 1969, the L-72'427-425 was available in the Chevelle and Camaro, under the COPO program.
@@AlanRoehrich9651 Yes sir they were , but the COPO cars were only available to a select group of people . We had a dealership here in Little Rock , Arkansas that was designated as a high performance dealership that was able to get COPO and high performance cars . Not all dealerships wanted to offer high performance cars and I worked at one in North Little Rock , Arkansas across the river from Little Rock and they would refuse to order the cars and send people to the dealership across the river . I would go by the Little Rock dealership nightly to check their inventory and one week they had 18 Yenko Deuces on their lot . They also had a COPO Aluminum Engine Camaro on their showroom floor for close to a year before it disappeared . The option list was close to the price of the Camaro . Never saw any of the Yenko Deuces or the COPO Camaro in our area after they disappeared . There are just a limited number of High Performance Chevrolet dealerships in the United States now . I've tried to buy High Performance crate engines from our local dealerships and they told me I would have to buy from a High Performance dealership . Thanks for your post Alan .
2 bolt mains.
for your info all big block chevy blocks have pass hi performance cast on rhem have never seen one that dont especially all the vintage ones
Great detective work on the engine!👍 I'd noticed 2 bolt main caps & closed chamber heads. Was that common on hi po Chevy applications? I'd heard 4 bolt mains were the thing back then. Just asking. Best wishes!
2 bolt mains were common.
I found a 454 block piston and crank in perfect condition back in 1980’s.
LS6 with 2 bolt mains
$50.00
Bolt it to a '67 El Camino would be really exciting.
If your parts car has good frame and floors and body parts then it makes it easier. But its a big job to resto, build engine, interior ect...you could do it yourself for about $25K... if you like doing it do it. Otherwise buy a car done or close to done for about $15 to 25K