Oh well, thems the breaks. Toilet paper is something that springs to mind, lack of native predators in England (because we hunted them to extinction), lack of poisonous snakes barring adders, less erratic food supply, deodorant, and the invention of jam Roly poly with custard darn it!
I believe the Greeks always intended it to look phallic and not like a mushroom, as so many prudish scholars have insisted. To many ancient Mediterranean cultures an erect phallus was considered lucky. The Romans even used to sling a large erect phallus under their chariots. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that the Greeks wanted to wear their lucky charms on their heads. Oh course that does make them a bunch of dickheads.
White and Blue is very Athenian and the hair patterning is pretty good actually. I think the top should also be made white though with some sort of design to top it all off.
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Umbreona yeah cuz brown makes it look like a penis lol
See description of the first video. I just used acrylics, I'm afraid. I didn't see the point of being perfectly authentic when the underlying helmet was not perfectly kosher.
***** No? Look closer. This just scratches the surface of the topic. www.bustle.com/articles/111250-7-historical-symbols-for-the-vagina-that-do-it-justice
Another wonderful video. I do quite like your decorations, the hair at the back especially since it matches up nicely with a lot of depictions of hair of ancient Greeks I've seen on vases. Well done.
They were not all so highly domed, and there are plenty of vase paintings showing long locks hanging below the helmets. I don't think there is such a thing as a 'Roman hoplite'.
Seeing as these were widely used by the Spartan hoplites, it seems like a good way to save metal making the back thinner as in a hoplite formation you would not retreat thus not showing the enemy the back of your helm.
I think helmets like the ones shown at 0:53 are good reminders that sometimes people make stuff that is pretty to look at, but might not really be functional, and it's necessary to be aware of that when looking back at these things and trying understand how they were used, especially in regards to classical civilizations, many of whom thought that form was more important function unlike modern day people who are much more functionalist.
Informative vid, I quite like corinthian helms, but for all the world I couldn't stop thinking how much you REALLY sound like Graham Chapman from Monty Python, even, the delivery and mannerisms, had to remind myself, he's not a Wo man he's an ancient Gweek. I liked your Crusader helm vid too. Going to make one soon.
Romans use hoplites form kingdom to republic. Even in camillian reform (310 b.c.) , triarii looks like a hoplites, but after first punic war they change style with oval shield and this apulo corinthian helmet.
Depending on the type of weaponry used against it, I think there are mechanical advantages to a high dome. It'll make glancing blows from above more frequent, and even direct hits onto the dome from above with something like a massive club, a hammer or heavy rocks will be unlikely to break your skull, as it would need to deform that much more metal.
good video you still look like an athenian in your armour then anyother city state because of the way your armour is designed and yes i like the decoration you have done to your helmet. It seems to me to be something like what a rich guy would have had done to his helmet back in anicent greece.
Yeah, ive noticed the vestigial eyeholes in many etruscan helmets.... its very interesting how things evolve, with a mixture of practicality and tradition. Also, its nice to see some decorated versions. I mean, despite the archeology, most people still think that greece consisted of stark-white columns and unpainted marble statues.
I quite liked your dance. Nice helmet though, the detail you put on it is nice. I never realized the thickness would change, I don't know why, it seems like an obvious thing, but for some reason I never considered it. Is this a typical feature of later helmets?
The helmets with the vestigial eye-holes remind me of those rapper baseball caps that are meant to be worn tilted sideways, with the logo or other decorations still pointing forwards however.
I can also imagine you might wear your helmet in the 'up' position to make it easier to talk, or to shout commands without deafening yourself. And of course, when returning victorious, you'd lift it up so the ladies can see you are not only brave, but handsome too.
In modern sport fencing, fencers usually rest their fencing mask on the forehead in the exactly the same way as the ancient Greeks whenever they are out of combat, in order to cool off.
Another splendid video, but it's surely time for another episode of Stoke Mandeville? Could everyone else please go and watch those, so Lloyd knows to pay a bit more attention to that party of his TH-cam kingdom?
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How come this guy doesn't monetize his videos? There's never any ads and this guy would be really wealthier with them
I do that. I will watch an ad to support a good video. Of course, if the advertiser is shit, I will exit. What I hate most is companies that destroy jobs. Err... this one (G**gl*).
Yes the early Roman army did make use of the Greek phalanx formation complete with hoplites, likewise they also had their hair longer than in Late Republican and Imperial times, however that's no reason to be rude! Also having a helmet domed simply to bundle up your locks before battle sounds pretty iffy even if it does make a little sense. Helmets are generally domed to cause downward blows to glance aside.
Oh please,do come to Athens.And if you do,please do tell.I'm a big fan.I'll be more than happy to show you around...to whatever's left of it at least.Maybe I'll have my shield-making improved by then and you can take one home with you to match that helmet.
I thought of another reason why the dome could be so pointed, as to conceal the actual shape of the head. As you come from the UK I assume you know of the Royal Guardsman's bearskins (which is what gave me the idea) to disguise the location of the head, making it more difficult to be hit.
"Some more points about Corinthian helmets" from the 8th of March? I don't think this video was in my subscription that day; this is the first time I've noticed it.
The text at the end is related to something I was recently thinking of, how did ancient peoples avoid sunburn? Just keep covered with hat/cloak? Or like pigs use mud or something similar?
That was pretty much the gist of the comments section on the previous video, too. Phallic symbols pervade warfare, but it's mostly because we read them that way.
I also noticed that it looked quite phallic... but yeah, now that you mentioned it, the greeks were a bit weird like that and one has to wonder if that was more than just a coincidence.
No, the plumes of a typical citizen hoplite helmet would be the choice of the wearer. Not everyone chose to have them. With some other helmets e.g. Republican Roman, the type of crest did have a rank significance.
Lindy, the eyeholes being decorations on a helmet never meant to be worn on the face was so that people could look taller. Yes, the ancient Greeks weren't that tall.
I really liked your older chainmail vids, I wanted to know if you ever used different color rings ie. Copper to do inlays? like a dragon pattern or other midievil emblem amongst the regular steel rings. I know copper is more soft than steel but it actually looks pretty sweet, especially assuming anyone who makes chainmail these days isnt actually going to be taking sword blows to the chest, even aluminum rings would to..
A high helmet has advantages. One can put padding into it, so it doubles as a hard-hat. Otherwise a hit stopped by the helmet might still crack your skull or break your neck. And of course (as mentioned) it makes one look bigger and more impressive. I wonder, whether the Greek hoplites also wore strong eyeshade to increase the psychological effect (as I have heard was done in the (early) Viking age in combination with the iconic goggle helmets (Vendelhelm)).
ok the corinthian helmets were mostly used by spartans during the pelopanesion war but some athenians did use them and put a blue plume instead of a red one, which were commonly used by spartans, and the polymarch helmets were mostly corinthian helms aswell
Not sure how much my opinion counts as far as this goes, but I'm frequently wearing a helmet in real life (ride motorcycles), and this is the specific advantage of modular helmets. Helmets get really hot. So, y'know, seconding that.
While I generally agree with Lindy, I have to correct him concerning the "Roman hoplite" - in its early years, Rome did adopt the Greek phalanx system from the Greek colonists and the Etruscans, including the panoply - there's plenty of archaeological and pictorial evidence for this. After defeats against Senones Celts and the Samnites, the Romans gradually adopted the manipular system, though the remnants of the hoplite system can be seen in the third-rank veterans ("triarii").
I noticed the hair patterning prior to your mention... Indubitably, we see again the innumerable tertiary skill set benefits to authentic scale modeling ~not to limit the contribution of other education you may have acquired. 'Case in topic point these very convincing, period looking, delicately posited colourations. For measure, whatever the outcome, I would be much more pleased and honored to combat a warrior with such admirable aesthetic sensibilities, than other.
Loving the paint work. As to the worn up effect, both for breathers between bouts and taking on water I can see it being an advantage, whether it was intentional on not, who knows?. Yes, It does look a bit penis like! But I certainly would not want to say that too loudly within earshot of a whole phalanx of hoplites fully dressed for aggravation! But I would not be surprised if that goad was in a peltasts armoury!
Just ordered one of these off Ebay, £30, made of 18 gauge steel, the only damage is that the horse hair plume has fallen off, but i'm sure I can find a way of getting it back on.
Many earlier Roman formations, and the Triarrii of the pre-Marian manipular formations, fought in a similar style to Greek hoplites. So I suspect he either meant that, or he got his cultures mixed up.
watching the first video I was gonna ask if it would be practical to wear the helmet up after the ''main assault''once the battle get messy and you need to see the ground
Making spherical stuff is really hard. I would argue that is good reason for the shape of it. I have no knowledge of the subject however so I would probably be wrong.
pylbetajv most likely meant to look like the head of a male's phallus, as (from what I've read among the other comments) they were not as... shy about them as we are nowadays.
IIRC from 500 to 300 BC Romans or rather Italians(Etruscans,Latins etc.) used greek style weapons and armor atleast to some deegree. There are several osprey series book on that perticular period.
In really early Rome didn't they fight as hoplites? And even later, the difference between triarii (sp?) and hoplites wasn't all that massive, though I don't believe they used a similar shield.
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I have wealth beyond the imaginings of the ancients in some forms e.g. health care, stereo headphones, and yet I cannot afford a single servant.
Oh well, thems the breaks. Toilet paper is something that springs to mind, lack of native predators in England (because we hunted them to extinction), lack of poisonous snakes barring adders, less erratic food supply, deodorant, and the invention of jam Roly poly with custard darn it!
You have to move to a place like India for that lol.
I ask you, what have the Enlightenment, the Agricultural Revolution and the Industrial Revolution ever done for us?
Probably because they weren’t too concerned with paying their servants. That kind of thing is generally frowned upon these days
That was a piss funny ending. Thanks for that. I giggled like a baby
+Sean Dali made me watch the "this is sparta" remix again =D
Needs disco
The main shell is bought, I then painted it, added brow padding and the like inside, thickened the nose-guard, and cleaned it up a bit.
Lloyd, it's been 6 years and this only got one like? What?
After staring at that helmet for eight and a half minutes it's beginning to look rather phallic.
***** i only went to the comment section to confirm that others had seen it aswell
Good o'l Greeks and their phallic humor.
I believe the Greeks always intended it to look phallic and not like a mushroom, as so many prudish scholars have insisted. To many ancient Mediterranean cultures an erect phallus was considered lucky. The Romans even used to sling a large erect phallus under their chariots. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that the Greeks wanted to wear their lucky charms on their heads. Oh course that does make them a bunch of dickheads.
@@kennethpryde966 Imperial truck nuts?
Now I can't unsee this you bastard
You have painted it beautifully!
I may try it out as a cycling helmet one day.
liked for the head bobbing at the end.
Yes, for comfort, security of fit, sweat-absorbing, and of course its protective properties. Possibly also lowered condensation.
White and Blue is very Athenian and the hair patterning is pretty good actually. I think the top should also be made white though with some sort of design to top it all off.
Umbreona yeah cuz brown makes it look like a penis lol
Depends on the period, but this was not the typical Spartan helmet. It was far more common with other city states.
See description of the first video. I just used acrylics, I'm afraid. I didn't see the point of being perfectly authentic when the underlying helmet was not perfectly kosher.
Plenty of depictions of decorated helmets on vases, and paint traces on statues.
Hahaha, the head movement at the end was phenomenal. Also you do look pretty cool with the helmet up. I dig the style
You sir, ARE the great courses… plus very funny and good as dancing.
Total phallic symbol.
***** In this case, it means dickhead;
***** You find penis symbolism throughout history. The Obelisk is another one. But Vagina symbolism is pervasive too. I guess sex sells.. lol
***** No? Look closer. This just scratches the surface of the topic. www.bustle.com/articles/111250-7-historical-symbols-for-the-vagina-that-do-it-justice
That all seems rather far fetched. Compared to this helmet anyway.
Another wonderful video. I do quite like your decorations, the hair at the back especially since it matches up nicely with a lot of depictions of hair of ancient Greeks I've seen on vases. Well done.
Could you do a video on medieval greathelms? you know, did people really use smaller helmets underneath them and how cumbersome/effective were they?
That bobble head ending was perfect! :D
They were not all so highly domed, and there are plenty of vase paintings showing long locks hanging below the helmets.
I don't think there is such a thing as a 'Roman hoplite'.
I lol'd at the end :D
The final three seconds are amazing
I would love to say that the pattern you did looks beautiful and I believe it adds a lot to the overall aesthetic of the helmet
You sir, are awesome. Laughed a whole lot at the end.
I did not expect the little bit at the very end of the video, and i literally was rolling on the floor laughing. You made my day!
Super cool decoration! I thought it was made like that.
End of the video = Dance Like an Egyptian song.
The Bangles. First song I remember hearing on TV.
Hours of fun xD
I love the decoration! It's great!
The design is very beautiful
Seeing as these were widely used by the Spartan hoplites, it seems like a good way to save metal making the back thinner as in a hoplite formation you would not retreat thus not showing the enemy the back of your helm.
Yes, I have 'latten' rings on my byrnie around the arm and neck holes. They are clearly visible in pictures in my website.
I think helmets like the ones shown at 0:53 are good reminders that sometimes people make stuff that is pretty to look at, but might not really be functional, and it's necessary to be aware of that when looking back at these things and trying understand how they were used, especially in regards to classical civilizations, many of whom thought that form was more important function unlike modern day people who are much more functionalist.
Despite the lack of the horsehair, you are very creative! :) I like what you've done with yours.
You seem very skilful with your decoration.
Yes, although their faces were pretty anonymous too!
Informative vid, I quite like corinthian helms, but for all the world I couldn't stop thinking how much you REALLY sound like Graham Chapman from Monty Python, even, the delivery and mannerisms, had to remind myself, he's not a Wo man he's an ancient Gweek. I liked your Crusader helm vid too. Going to make one soon.
Romans use hoplites form kingdom to republic. Even in camillian reform (310 b.c.) , triarii looks like a hoplites, but after first punic war they change style with oval shield and this apulo corinthian helmet.
You sound like Toki Wartooth.
Depending on the type of weaponry used against it, I think there are mechanical advantages to a high dome. It'll make glancing blows from above more frequent, and even direct hits onto the dome from above with something like a massive club, a hammer or heavy rocks will be unlikely to break your skull, as it would need to deform that much more metal.
good video you still look like an athenian in your armour then anyother city state because of the way your armour is designed and yes i like the decoration you have done to your helmet. It seems to me to be something like what a rich guy would have had done to his helmet back in anicent greece.
Well, _I_ like the decoration.
Yeah, ive noticed the vestigial eyeholes in many etruscan helmets.... its very interesting how things evolve, with a mixture of practicality and tradition.
Also, its nice to see some decorated versions. I mean, despite the archeology, most people still think that greece consisted of stark-white columns and unpainted marble statues.
the painted design is actually really cool
I quite liked your dance.
Nice helmet though, the detail you put on it is nice. I never realized the thickness would change, I don't know why, it seems like an obvious thing, but for some reason I never considered it.
Is this a typical feature of later helmets?
I would not fight with it that way - it would soon fall off. I could stand and talk easily enough, though.
The helmets with the vestigial eye-holes remind me of those rapper baseball caps that are meant to be worn tilted sideways, with the logo or other decorations still pointing forwards however.
I can also imagine you might wear your helmet in the 'up' position to make it easier to talk, or to shout commands without deafening yourself. And of course, when returning victorious, you'd lift it up so the ladies can see you are not only brave, but handsome too.
In modern sport fencing, fencers usually rest their fencing mask on the forehead in the exactly the same way as the ancient Greeks whenever they are out of combat, in order to cool off.
Another splendid video, but it's surely time for another episode of Stoke Mandeville? Could everyone else please go and watch those, so Lloyd knows to pay a bit more attention to that party of his TH-cam kingdom?
How come this guy doesn't monetize his videos? There's never any ads and this guy would be really wealthier with them
I disable my AdBlocker just for you
+LuckyStriker That's one of the best compliments a youtuber can get
doesnt really help him, if you dont click the add... or does it? (no rethorical question)
depends how they're sold, some are just paid by the view, and some by the click
Kathie Dart
K thx, I didnt know that!
I do that. I will watch an ad to support a good video. Of course, if the advertiser is shit, I will exit. What I hate most is companies that destroy jobs. Err... this one (G**gl*).
Yes the early Roman army did make use of the Greek phalanx formation complete with hoplites, likewise they also had their hair longer than in Late Republican and Imperial times, however that's no reason to be rude! Also having a helmet domed simply to bundle up your locks before battle sounds pretty iffy even if it does make a little sense. Helmets are generally domed to cause downward blows to glance aside.
that head bob tho
Oh please,do come to Athens.And if you do,please do tell.I'm a big fan.I'll be more than happy to show you around...to whatever's left of it at least.Maybe I'll have my shield-making improved by then and you can take one home with you to match that helmet.
I thought of another reason why the dome could be so pointed, as to conceal the actual shape of the head. As you come from the UK I assume you know of the Royal Guardsman's bearskins (which is what gave me the idea) to disguise the location of the head, making it more difficult to be hit.
"Some more points about Corinthian helmets" from the 8th of March? I don't think this video was in my subscription that day; this is the first time I've noticed it.
Raised helmet indicated friendly intentions?
leighrate yeah, like my raised helmet right now
If you look closely, Napoleonic cavalry helmets have that same look; the fake raised-Corinthian.
Nah, because in ancient Greece you were only gay if you take it.
And enable the wearer to look down! But any inattentive enemy might still think you are looking forward.
The text at the end is related to something I was recently thinking of, how did ancient peoples avoid sunburn? Just keep covered with hat/cloak? Or like pigs use mud or something similar?
That was pretty much the gist of the comments section on the previous video, too. Phallic symbols pervade warfare, but it's mostly because we read them that way.
I'm the eye hole man, I'm the only one thats allowed to have eye holes
What's the opposite to wubba lubba dub dubs, amirite ladies and gentlemen
I love the little dance at the end.
Great videos!
I also noticed that it looked quite phallic... but yeah, now that you mentioned it, the greeks were a bit weird like that and one has to wonder if that was more than just a coincidence.
No, the plumes of a typical citizen hoplite helmet would be the choice of the wearer. Not everyone chose to have them. With some other helmets e.g. Republican Roman, the type of crest did have a rank significance.
Lindy, the eyeholes being decorations on a helmet never meant to be worn on the face was so that people could look taller. Yes, the ancient Greeks weren't that tall.
What a fun channel this is.
Subbed :)
You are wonderful!
I really liked your older chainmail vids, I wanted to know if you ever used different color rings ie. Copper to do inlays? like a dragon pattern or other midievil emblem amongst the regular steel rings. I know copper is more soft than steel but it actually looks pretty sweet, especially assuming anyone who makes chainmail these days isnt actually going to be taking sword blows to the chest, even aluminum rings would to..
A high helmet has advantages. One can put padding into it, so it doubles as a hard-hat. Otherwise a hit stopped by the helmet might still crack your skull or break your neck. And of course (as mentioned) it makes one look bigger and more impressive. I wonder, whether the Greek hoplites also wore strong eyeshade to increase the psychological effect (as I have heard was done in the (early) Viking age in combination with the iconic goggle helmets (Vendelhelm)).
Of course, the REAL reason for a helmet that shape is that the space aliens who taught them had heads that were naturally that shape! ;-)
And of course didn't need to deflect stuff any more than normal heads.
ok the corinthian helmets were mostly used by spartans during the pelopanesion war but some athenians did use them and put a blue plume instead of a red one, which were commonly used by spartans, and the polymarch helmets were mostly corinthian helms aswell
Not sure how much my opinion counts as far as this goes, but I'm frequently wearing a helmet in real life (ride motorcycles), and this is the specific advantage of modular helmets. Helmets get really hot. So, y'know, seconding that.
Could you maybe do a video on roman military helmets? I like how thorough you are with your videos.
While I generally agree with Lindy, I have to correct him concerning the "Roman hoplite" - in its early years, Rome did adopt the Greek phalanx system from the Greek colonists and the Etruscans, including the panoply - there's plenty of archaeological and pictorial evidence for this. After defeats against Senones Celts and the Samnites, the Romans gradually adopted the manipular system, though the remnants of the hoplite system can be seen in the third-rank veterans ("triarii").
I noticed the hair patterning prior to your mention... Indubitably, we see again the innumerable tertiary skill set benefits to authentic scale modeling ~not to limit the contribution of other education you may have acquired. 'Case in topic point these very convincing, period looking, delicately posited colourations. For measure, whatever the outcome, I would be much more pleased and honored to combat a warrior with such admirable aesthetic sensibilities, than other.
These always seemed to make a lot more sense to me than any medieval helmets.
I want to play Skyrim again.
Have you played it again yet?
Loving the paint work.
As to the worn up effect, both for breathers between bouts and taking on water I can see it being an advantage, whether it was intentional on not, who knows?.
Yes, It does look a bit penis like! But I certainly would not want to say that too loudly within earshot of a whole phalanx of hoplites fully dressed for aggravation!
But I would not be surprised if that goad was in a peltasts armoury!
6:30 you can see modern day football players do the same thing.
Just ordered one of these off Ebay, £30, made of 18 gauge steel, the only damage is that the horse hair plume has fallen off, but i'm sure I can find a way of getting it back on.
Well the Romans did fight in hoplite formations prior to the (1st?) Sarmatian War...but I dunno if you'd call them "Roman Phalanxes" though.
Plus, you could look down and watch where you step when you're walking through the woods.
Many earlier Roman formations, and the Triarrii of the pre-Marian manipular formations, fought in a similar style to Greek hoplites. So I suspect he either meant that, or he got his cultures mixed up.
That or a leather suspension system. It's the same idea as the rubber suspensions in modern helmets.
Plus, more axes! I thought this was a channel about axes!
The thumbnail makes it look like you got 2 slices of toast slapped on your forehead
watching the first video I was gonna ask if it would be practical to wear the helmet up after the ''main assault''once the battle get messy and you need to see the ground
Making spherical stuff is really hard. I would argue that is good reason for the shape of it.
I have no knowledge of the subject however so I would probably be wrong.
pylbetajv
most likely meant to look like the head of a male's phallus, as (from what I've read among the other comments) they were not as... shy about them as we are nowadays.
Hadrian and the next few emperors all had beards. But they were pretty rare before that.
So if the head doesn't go all the way to the top of the dome then I guess it's considered a reservoir tip.
Right you won me over with the Athens comment. subscribeachieved
IIRC from 500 to 300 BC Romans or rather Italians(Etruscans,Latins etc.) used greek style weapons and armor atleast to some deegree.
There are several osprey series book on that perticular period.
So cool
In the very early days of Rome they did fight using phalanxes I believe.
Yes, Spartans in particular had really long hair and beards.
Would the original examples have had suspension or padding?
i always thought doming was used because it would deflect a blow better the steeper the dome?
Have you ever played Europa Barbarorum lindybeige?????
Tipping the helmet back as you show is also done by modern fencers with their helmets.
In really early Rome didn't they fight as hoplites? And even later, the difference between triarii (sp?) and hoplites wasn't all that massive, though I don't believe they used a similar shield.
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