my dad was in hospital in a coma for about a week after a cardiac arrest. specifically in king's college hospital, of which denmark hill is the closest station that we could use to get to it to visit. whilst those journeys to the hospital were always rather sad and upsetting, especially the first one, the station building and the walk to the hospital are quite pretty and almost somewhat peaceful despite it being a busy area. it was nice to have that one little positive thing amongst a darker time. and yes, my dad is absolutely fine now.
Oh Denmark Hill... I spent many hours here because my mum would have to go to King's College due to her sickle cell. These days its under control, but I have fond memories here.
I used Denmark Hill Station when I worked at Kings College Hospital. When the Pheonix & Firkin as it was then, opened, I was one of the first customers. You could buy a T shirt that said , “If Pheonix my pint I’ll firkin hit him”. The Firkin were a SE London chain of pubs which had their own brewery in each pub.
I remember the Pheonix and Firkin from back in the 80s when Mark and Raina used to run it. They were at the Pheasant and Firkin in Clerkenwell before that. My old local!
Thanks. I occasionally used past or used Denmark Hill (for King's College hospital) and as a student enjoyed a pint at the Phoenix in the early 2000s and periodically once every few years afterwards. I wondered why it was such a nice spot and this video nicely answered it. Thanks again.
Friends and i went to school in peckham in the 50's, and some nights would get the train from Peckham Rye to Denmark hill, just so we could travel in a train. we then had a mile and a half walk to get home. Still we were young and liked riding on the train. I always loved Denmark hill station, many happy memories. Thanks for the video
03:00 'this is a gross over-simplification of the situation of the complication of the station, don't use it in a dissertation'. thanks for that extended alliteration of said station. Contrived or not, it made me chuckle!
The name is said to originate from Queen Anne's husband, Prince George of Denmark (Duke of Cumberland), who hunted in the area. The most notable thing about Prince George is how little impact he made on anything, though the Prince of Denmark's March (aka Trumpet Voluntary) was written in his honour.
@@shawnli4746 - DAN-Air actually has nothing to do with Denmark but stands for Davies and Newman Air Services. They were a city ship broker and insurance company who ended up in the airline business pretty much by accident after acquiring an aircraft from a firm they were insuring who went bankrupt. They somehow ended up as one of Europe's largest charter airlines. Initially known as Dan Air they added the 'London' suffix due to the understandable confusion caused by the name, many people wrongly assuming they were a Danish company. All the the Dan Air London aircraft had a compass symbol on the tail which reflected the companies shipping heritage.
The Danes invaded via the Thames and murdered Alphege in Greenwich (Names ending in Wick / Wich are Viking) Much of London (Lundenwic) is named after Danish invaders, Aldwich, Strand both Viking names, Woolwich, Dulwich etc etc
I go through Denmark Hill every few months, and I've always marvelled at its ornate brickwork etc, lovingly and respectfully refurbished - the Victorians certainly knew how to make an impression with their architecture. Denmark Hill wasn't the only Soth London station to house a religious establishment - albeit a bogus one in this case. A room at Crystal Palace was taken for while in the 1960s by an outfit calling itself The Holy Roman Catholic Church or some such - it had no connection with the Vatican, or indeed godliness of any flavour, but was, as far as I know, a sordid criminal enterprise connected to a predatory Bogus bishop. None of which detracts from the magnificence of Victorian railway architecture - thanks for another fascinating excursion by rail!
This was my local station 1963-1967 and the first place from which I caught a train- to Blackfriars- can't remember why. It was a dump. Really glad to see its has been renovated
If my aging memory isn't failing me, the pub's first iteration was as the "Phoenix and Firkin", part of the Firkin' range of pubs popular in the early eighties.
That sounds right. I seem to remember a model railway that went around the wall and disappeared into a "tunnel" in the back wall, the train reappearing a little while later.
I have passed through Denmark Hill on trains to Victoria and had a couple of appointments at King's College Hospital, so have also exited the station. I remember the temporary footbridge and the steep stairs which was not fun for someone increasingly prone to vertigo.
Your mention of the third rail electrification reminds me of the time I saw a dog being electrocuted on the track in 1998 at that station. I've always wished that they would convert the system to overhead power to give animals more chance.
Festive season greetings Jago and all others. When I was younger I went to an illegal rave on the site of the original Crystal Palace, it was marvellous fun and I made friends with lots of people who stayed on friendly terms with for many years after....
Lining in walking distance from this station I'm glad you made this video about it. The pub was originally one of the David Bruce "Firkin" (A size of beer cask) chain of brewpubs called the "Phoenix and Firkin" and has a rather large railway station (not platform clock inside. You could see the brewery, which was in the basement, though a small window in part of the floor and there was a garden gauge model train that ran on top of part of the bar-back. Unfortunately it later became on "O'Neil's" mock Irish pub before returning to be the Phoenix again.
Thank you for the latest upload. Your enthusiasm in all things rail in London is infectious as I hope to travel to many of these stations & lines over the next few years . Keep up the good work and hope you spread more infectious enthusiasm in the coming year . Wishing all your viewers a happy , prosperous & healthy New Year !
I'd never have thought of going to Denmark Hill but your film gave me a lighbulb moment. When I was a teenager we went to live in London for a couple of years (1967 - 1970) - the worst years of my life. The station was a derelict ruin. I once cycled there from our home near Clapham Junction. I had no idea it was such a wonderfully photogenic place now. I'm writing this from my winter retreat near Perpignan in France, there's a village near here called Palau del Vidre and my Catalan friends laugh when I say "Ah - Crystal Palace!" (You can check that with Google translate). It has a dis-used station on the Perpignan-Port Bou line, still there. And I thank you Jago for making me laugh over the red wine and French cheese!
@@chrissaltmarsh6777 I know this area well, my parents retired here over 30 years ago and frequent visits have endeared me to the place. I'm staying between Argelès and Sorède, at the foot of the Albères. Today I was exploring an old mineral railway above Amelie les Bains. Thanks for your comment, which I recognise may not have been aimed specifically at me - but to provide info to other TH-cam voyeurs on here!
@@Clivestravelandtrains I hope to visit again. Last time was by commuter train from Clapham Junction, then Eurostar, a cab to Gare de Lyon, TGV to Perpignan, local to Elne. The journey is part of the fun. And with a 12-year-old in tow, a hell of a lot better than flying.
@@chrissaltmarsh6777 A much better experience for your 12-year-old too, I'd bet. A good way to bring someone up, rather than the "Entitlement" fly-anywhere-I-want mentality that is pervading now.
@@Clivestravelandtrains She loved it - top deck of a TGV, wander around, watch the passing world. And perhaps 2 hours longer than an aeroplane, with a tenth less worry. She's grown up now, and currently in Paris. Envy envy.
I dont often comment but I do have to say, the information you cram into these videos is phenomenal. I mean, I've now learnt why that stretch across South London is two separate double track entities, but also bits of trivia I've learnt from this video that destroy previously held "knowledge".... - The Crystal Palace wasn't originally where the area known as Crystal Palace is now - The first electrification of these lines was actually overhead wires instead of third rail. Kudos, dude And Merry Christmas
Yes, overhead electrification was news to me too. I thought the whole south east had gone from steam to 3rd rail immediately. You learn something new every day!
We had a prematch drink in the Phoenix pub before a Dulwich Hamlet game walked down the hill to the ground only to find they had moved to Tooting and Mitchams ground !
I was rostered on early turn at the ticket office the morning of the fire in 1980. I caught the South London Line from Clapham around 6am, but it went sailing through Denmark Hill. When I got to Peckham Rye I found out that the Ticket office had been destroyed. It was a tiny passimeter in the centre of the booking hall.
Fond memories of Denmark Hill from when my mum was a cadet at WBC across the road. Arriving there on the train was always a much nicer journey than travelling in the car for yonks because she doesn't drive on motorways!
Ah my local station. It's had some serious upgrading in recent years but never knew it almost met its demise and The Victorian Society's intervention. Thanks for that.
An absolute belter Jago! This one will need to be saved and watched again a couple of times. Just like Denny Hill, your output is more than your consumption. I can’t keep up mate! Anyway, like so many others, I’d like to personally thank you from the inner reaches of my messed up heart and brain. You are one of the brightest shining lights and a steadying constant for me. It gives me so much pleasure and interest that I stave off the darkness inside. Jago, you don’t need to know the details, but just trust that you are a shining light that is making a marked difference in some people’s lives. Merry Christmas and a very happy new year to you, internet friend ❤ [true story]
That overhead electrification was fairly unusual for the UK - it was 6600VAC at low frequency (25Hz) instead of the usual mains 50Hz. A similar system was also used on the Lancaster, Morecambe and Heysham line, later converted to 50Hz as part of trials that led to the 25KVAC system used today. The reason for the low frequency AC is a bit technical, I could be here all week...
Well if you all insist. I make no claims to be another Fran Blanche, Big Clive, Tim Hunkin etc., but here goes. Trains of that era had series wound traction motors, which are generally DC only. 3rd (and indeed 4th) rail provides pretty much exactly the relatively low voltage and very high current that those motors need. However, the kit is expensive, needing lineside feeder stations every 4 Km or so. AC power is much cheaper and easier to transmit over longer distances (e.g. the 25KVAC system has a range of perhaps 40 Km). Putting AC in a DC motor does actually work, except that it will quickly burn out. Changing AC into DC on board a train was iffy, using things like mercury arc rectifiers (see the tale of the Glasgow Blue Trains), which were fine at the lineside but not so much on a moving train. The alternative was to modify the motors to stop them overheating (caused by induction, the same principal by which an induction hob works). The result was the Universal Motor, capable of working on DC or AC. However, the usual 50 Hz mains wasn’t so suitable, so they used half that frequency instead which was much better. In fact, most of Europe still uses 16.7 Hz AC for railway traction as a legacy of the system developed in Germany. This was popular with countries which had limited black coal, but had lots of lignite (brown coal) or hydro power, making it very popular in Scandiwegian countries and the like. There were AC Induction Motors, but these are controlled not by changing the voltage but by changing the frequency of the AC, and the electronics needed for that didn’t become widespread until the 1980s. If you’ve listened to any hit recorded with an FM Synthesis keyboard (Yamaha DX series etc) then you’ve heard the system that controls modern traction - its no coincidence that Class 350s etc make strange warbling noises. I’ve probably got some of that wrong, but I won’t be the least bit offended if more knowledgeable persons set me straight - I consider that helpful education. Sorry Jago, I’ll shut up now. You’ve enough problems (like recovering from seeing Geoff Marshall in the shower - or is that what the protective goggles were for?) without me clogging the channel up with techie stuff.
@@lordmuntague you actually did it - well, thank you. Also, I will try and find new applications for the word lineside feeder and then use it in conversation annoyingly often.
Denmark Hill is quite a unique busy area in South London and the railway station is also very busy with step-free access and with Southeastern, Thameslink and London Overground that all stop at Denmark Hill. I do see why Denmark Hill station is still busy as usual with mostly London Overground, Southeastern and Thameslink trains all serving the station. Maybe East Brixton should have a new London Overground station and also at Loughborough Junction. Anyways Merry Christmas Jago. 😊
Thank you for showing such a beautiful station. Such attention to detail is fabulous, from your description and the design. I went to the new Battersea underground station recently and was very very disappointed. Keep on showing your videos for us to admire.
Denmark Hill is one of my favourite stations in London too - on more than one occasion I've planned journeys to involve a change there just so I can have a look round. There's something about stations in a cutting with retaining walls that really appeals to me. And its resurgence is a prime example of the effect of putting a station on the tube map. Lovely video, thank you and Merry Christmas!
I'm always fascinated by the number of not-quite-connections there are in this area. You can't get from Clapham or Wandsworth to Brixton because the line passes over and there are no platforms on the LCDR lines. You can't get from Brixton to Denmark Hill because the platforms are closed. You can't get from Loughborough Junction there for similar reasons. Therefore any Southeastern suburban service to Victoria travels a long way without any useful connection
For a time, the Eurostar used to run through Herne Hill and proceed to Waterloo. Yet there have never been services between those two stations. It think the required link was built for the Eurostar, which no longer uses it, but presumably it's still there.
The architecture of Denmark Hill station is really very attractive and thank goodness it wasn’t demolished. Thank you John Betjamin. I decided to watch this video while I had my evening meal, a pasta dish, like the station of Italianate origin. Thank you Jago for yet another fascinating view into London’s suburban railways. I can’t get over the LBSC Rly and LC&D Rly actually working together on this. Best wishes from Christmas and New Year 🎄
My experience of London is north of the river, so this was a revelation to me. What a splendid station, and fascinating video. I must now pursue chapels in railway stations.
A station I've gone *through* a lot over the years but not often have gone *to*. Honestly, it is a remarkably pretty and ornate building for what it ostensibly 'just a commuter station', but then again it is rather a busy station serving a busy area (its proximity to two hospitals and one of Kings' campuses definitely means it should be up to the task), and acting as an interchange between 3 services. Interesting to dive into its history and see that this lovely building faced being destroyed, that this pretty busy station went into decline. It's great to see it thriving and better than ever nowadays. And 'The Phoenix'. Excellent, lol. Great video!
Spent most of my London years in Peckham so know the station well. Definitely tops the rankings in terms of station coffee shops (FCB Coffee is excellent!) IMO
Denmark Hill is a smaller version of St. Pancras, I remember in the 1990s when only the old London Bridge to Victoria South London line and the Blackfriars to Sevenoaks line were the only trains to serve it. Now it has the Thameslink which absorbed the old Sevenoaks service, the Overground which absorbed the SLL, and now has a service to Dartford and Gravesend via Lewisham, Blackheath and Bexleyheath, and a couple of longer distanced services to Maidstone, Medway, Faversham, Canterbury and Dover. It’s become a rather nifty and unexpected hub similar to other major South East London stations like Lewisham, Woolwich Arsenal & Bromley South
Being partial to a pint I've been in a few station pubs over the years, some more interesting than others, but all quite different. A marvellous subject for a video series, methinks.
An encouraging tale of restoration from decline. Many thanks for your fascinating videos Jago, seasonal best wishes and looking forward to more in the New Year!
You chose a lovely sunny day to film at Denmark Hill, Jago ☀️ In the midst of winter, that gives me something to look forward to 👏🏾 Merry Christmas 2022 🎄
At a time of the year (Advent) when we are supposed to reflect before the Christmas festivities (which should not really begin until Christmas Day), it is comforting that there are people such as Mr Hazzard. I have never been, and am not, a railway enthusiast, but the stories on this channel offer us material which is interesting, enlightening and educational. We are all better in some way as a result of viewing it. Mr Hazzard, thank you for all your efforts and for all that you have provided. I wish you a Happy Christmas and a peaceful New Year.
On of the reason's why Denmark Hill has been so popular throughout it's life is in part due to the Salvation Army's International Officer Training College that you can see in a few of the shots across the road. It's going to become even more popular soon when they finish construction on the new Territorial Headquarters of The Salvation Army that is being built on the side of the existing Training College and Heritage Museum.
In the mid 1980’s, there was a proposal to build a structure over the line near the station in order to extend Kings College Hopspital. I was working for a management contractor at the time and advised that the this might be possible but that there were better options.
I lived near Denmark hill then the overground was finally joined up, after Denmark hill, which helped make the station greatly relevant again. So great to see the station now, so well served by multiple train companies.
The station stories idea suggested by someone else sounds good, even the little stations of Dulwich all points of the compass, and how not to confuse Herne Hill and Tulse Hill ( I think fond thoughts of a girl from Tulse Hill and then remember she is the same age as me, which is ancient so she will be an old lady, hope she had a happy life)
I think I only used Denmark Hill once, when the line to Herne Hill was being maintained, and BR's solution was to provide a bus service from Denmark Hill. Which would have been fine, except that some bright spark decided that the bus service should link with the twice hourly rail service by leaving a few minutes BEFORE the latter arrived. Which it duly did. Otherwise I'd probably have forgotten that occasion by now.
I also found this station very relaxing, especially sitting on one of the seats around the side reading the railway detective book, even if I was on the way to a hospital appointment.
It was our local station, I was born just round the corner at kings college hospital. We lived in Herne hill, poplar walk road. I remember the days of semaphore signals and 4-sub units!
Enjoyed the Denmark Hill video, and look forward to the future video mentioned about the Crystal Palace station’s, an area I investigated in my youth. Walked the tunnel to the high side station, I’m not sure you can now. Always enjoy your videos, keep them coming.
Had always assumed that Denmark Hill was an LBSC station because of the style. However, it seems that due to the alliance, the impecunious LCDR ended up building a fine station much nicer than their usual spartan offerings. Heartening to see its renaissance thanks to the craft pub and then the Overground, neatly reusing the old South London line which has undergone 3 cycles of success and decline due to trams and changing traffic needs. Incidentally "ulterior motives" (0:55) seems in another light to be imaginative business enterprise, which resulted in the retention of a fascinating building (at least until it burnt down in 1936), pleasure for millions of visitors, employment, and profits for the railway companies and associated businesses. Nice point on carbon-positive or negative (6:48), since we mainly talk about carbon-neutral; I'm not sure now :) Thanks for another enlightening and entertaining year of videos Jago, and Merry Christmas!
It is a great pleasure to see how plenty of formerly shabby stations have been restored to a standard one would never have thought possible, in fact to an appearance they probably only ever had on paper before, because in the steam age nothing survived urban air pollution for so long that it could even be completed while still looking good. Seeing how fine some old buildings have become, I think that by now some restraint would be in order in choosing routes for even occasional steam heritage trips, lest all those admirable and expensive efforts should go to waste.
This station is a beauty…A Camberwell Beauty in fact…geddit? It’s a butterfly (you knew that). This is one of my favourite stations on the LT network. Glad it’s been covered. One of the thing I like about 8:01 videos is all the links he makes, who was a director of this who happened to sit on the board of that - This whole Victorian rail thing seems very incestuous . And as for all those initials and acronyms- we think LMFAO is a new thing! I recall on an old map a narrow gauge railway in a loop was depicted in Crystal Palace park, though when I visited some years back I saw no sign of it. Merry Christmas Jago, here’s to another year of much informative railway miscellany
@@des_smith7658 the map was much newer than when the exhibition was at the site. I wonder whether not May have survived the exhibition itself for a while. The map I had showed no sign of the Crystal Palace structure, alternatively the later map my have retained some features no longer extant. The topography changes quicker than maps are updated.
@@captaincodpiece3263 the location for my story is now called Lower Lake next to Thicket Road. Not very far from the Croydon atmospheric railway route in 1840s
Hello Jago: So glad you've highlighted Denmark Hill station here today. Peckham Rye, next along the line, which is currently being renovated - very, very slowly! - shares a similar history presumably. Certainly, it has similar architecture with another grand entrance hall and function rooms - except compared with Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye is inverted (UP to the platforms, not down). The only things you might have mentioned, and shown, when talking about the ''contemporary'' station, would have been the new footbridge and the lifts now installed and much welcomed, in contrast to the very ornate high-Victorian stairways further down the platform. Thank you, it's history was fascinating: and presumably it's close proximity to one of the capital's great (teaching) Hospitals (King's College) would have been another region for its location. Don't tell the Salvation Army, you left them out!! Than k you as ever. Noël Tredinnick
Thank you, Dr Tredinnick, for all your contributions to the world of music (the most important thing in my life other than my family) and to church music in particular. You are another person who makes the world a better place.
Merry Christmas,Jago,and a healthy and Happy New Year 😊! That third rail electrification came from the former LSWR,and the LB&SC version pioneered what now blankets Britain,and most of the world! Small seeds,great trees!! Thanks again 👍!
Yes enjoyed the video as always , I remember the time when the campaign to save the burnt out derelict station occurred ,Michael Palin of Monty Python fame was also a member of the Camberwell society who was involved in the campaign , the railway company seemed quite apathetic in those days not caring about the splendid railway architecture they inherited from the Victorian days , how about Loughborough Junction station just along Coldharbour road would that warrant a video ?.
I’ve been to Denmark Hill station several timescale, i have a cousin who used to work at Kings College Hospital and we’ve dined at the pub/bistro in the old station building. Happy Christmas Jago. 🎄👍🥂
I know it's very immature but I still can't hear 'overground' without starting to whistle the clarinet break from the Wombles theme tune. And thinking of Bernard Cribbens.
I had an interview at King's College Hospital back in the 1980s, so I think I have been to Denmark Hill. Can't remember much about the station unfortunately. Ended up working somewhere else.
used that station/walked past it/drunk in the pub there many times when i lived in South London - so this video was very fascinating to me. Never knew there was a church there - quite extraordinary!
The Sally Army fortress over the road is just as imposing. Regular users were MI5 spies going to work in the not-so-secret radio listening station just along the road.
IIRC, the Salvation army building is a training college. The people who work in listening stations are not spies, even though their colleagues include real spies.
@@hb1338 I could have posted this South London. Metropolitan Police intercept station established in mid 1930s against illicit transmissions including Soviet spies. Intercepted commercial and diplomatic traffic for GCCS from 1939. But couldn't be arsed. 99% wouldn't know what CCCS was , but they do know Mi5. And I am fully aware MI5 doesn't employ spies, agents or any such James Bond bollocks.
Another fascinating story! Back in the 1970s when I commuted to school on those South London railways and explored well beyond the prescribed route, I was amazed by the intricate architecture of Denmark Hill station building - it seemed far too extensive for the task required (like the Crystal Palace stations). It's great that it survived fire and demolition threats to serve as a very different type of pub.
Not only was Leo Schuster a Director of the LB&SCR and a member of the consortium which bid for the Crystal Palace,he was also the owner of Penge Place,the estate upon which the Palace came to be re-erected. The opening of the LB&SCR spur to Crystal Palace Low Level was all part of the deal. The wretched LC&D took another ten years to get to Crystal Plalace High Level by which time the big money had evaporated...
Yes, what might be called "ulterior motives" (0:55) seems in another light to be imaginative business enterprise, which resulted in the retention of a fascinating building (at least until it burnt down in 1936), pleasure for millions of visitors, employment, and profits for the railway companies and associated businesses.
Very interesting. I visited a couple of months ago, albeit in the dark, and thought it looked very nice. I'll have to travel back through when I do more Thameslink routes south of London, and when I do more SouthEastern stuff, although I now have ticked it off on Overground.
I didn’t know that it was designed by Driver; the brickwork is similar to Crossness pumping station. I haven’t been there for several years, but the canopy on the centre platform was supported by a steel structure at the bottom of the stairs which seemed to have been cut down from something taller. Could it possibly have been one of the LBSC electrification structures?
I've always assumed the same - that it is the bottom part of a stanchion for the overhead. Presumably the original canopy stanchions flanking it were removed and the canopy supported by this structure. There are several other bits of the LBSC overhead still in evidence: The lighting gantries in Streatham Hill depot are the most obvious, but there is a stanchion set into the viaduct parapet at Battersea Park, and a lot of stubs cut off at their bases or poking out of retaining walls.
Look forward to a video on Crystal Palace station(s)! Beautiful station with a complex history, mixed in with restoration an and abandoned platform for good measure
my dad was in hospital in a coma for about a week after a cardiac arrest. specifically in king's college hospital, of which denmark hill is the closest station that we could use to get to it to visit. whilst those journeys to the hospital were always rather sad and upsetting, especially the first one, the station building and the walk to the hospital are quite pretty and almost somewhat peaceful despite it being a busy area. it was nice to have that one little positive thing amongst a darker time.
and yes, my dad is absolutely fine now.
Oh Denmark Hill... I spent many hours here because my mum would have to go to King's College due to her sickle cell. These days its under control, but I have fond memories here.
I used Denmark Hill Station when I worked at Kings College Hospital. When the Pheonix & Firkin as it was then, opened, I was one of the first customers. You could buy a T shirt that said , “If Pheonix my pint I’ll firkin hit him”. The Firkin were a SE London chain of pubs which had their own brewery in each pub.
The Firkins spread all over. There were at least three in Leicester!
@@martynnotman3467 There was a Fuzz & Firkin in an old police station in Portsmouth.
I remember the Pheonix and Firkin from back in the 80s when Mark and Raina used to run it. They were at the Pheasant and Firkin in Clerkenwell before that. My old local!
There was a Fettler & Firkin right by Paddington station
There was a something & Firkin in Brixton in the 90s from memory. Definitely seen the name a couple of times. Possibly one in Soho too.
lovely freight services you saw at denmark hill, very much love this station
Thanks. I occasionally used past or used Denmark Hill (for King's College hospital) and as a student enjoyed a pint at the Phoenix in the early 2000s and periodically once every few years afterwards. I wondered why it was such a nice spot and this video nicely answered it. Thanks again.
Friends and i went to school in peckham in the 50's, and some nights would get the train from Peckham Rye to Denmark hill, just so we could travel in a train. we then had a mile and a half walk to get home. Still we were young and liked riding on the train. I always loved Denmark hill station, many happy memories. Thanks for the video
03:00 'this is a gross over-simplification of the situation of the complication of the station, don't use it in a dissertation'. thanks for that extended alliteration of said station. Contrived or not, it made me chuckle!
Thanks for the memories... I went to school from Denmark Hill for seven years in the mid-1960s, fond memories...
As someone from Denmark, it’s cool to know a bit of London is named after my country.
The name is said to originate from Queen Anne's husband, Prince George of Denmark (Duke of Cumberland), who hunted in the area. The most notable thing about Prince George is how little impact he made on anything, though the Prince of Denmark's March (aka Trumpet Voluntary) was written in his honour.
There's also Dan-Air London which became the Gatwick short haul operations of British Airways ;)
@@shawnli4746 - DAN-Air actually has nothing to do with Denmark but stands for Davies and Newman Air Services. They were a city ship broker and insurance company who ended up in the airline business pretty much by accident after acquiring an aircraft from a firm they were insuring who went bankrupt. They somehow ended up as one of Europe's largest charter airlines. Initially known as Dan Air they added the 'London' suffix due to the understandable confusion caused by the name, many people wrongly assuming they were a Danish company. All the the Dan Air London aircraft had a compass symbol on the tail which reflected the companies shipping heritage.
The Danes invaded via the Thames and murdered Alphege in Greenwich (Names ending in Wick / Wich are Viking) Much of London (Lundenwic) is named after Danish invaders, Aldwich, Strand both Viking names, Woolwich, Dulwich etc etc
I go through Denmark Hill every few months, and I've always marvelled at its ornate brickwork etc, lovingly and respectfully refurbished - the Victorians certainly knew how to make an impression with their architecture.
Denmark Hill wasn't the only Soth London station to house a religious establishment - albeit a bogus one in this case. A room at Crystal Palace was taken for while in the 1960s by an outfit calling itself The Holy Roman Catholic Church or some such - it had no connection with the Vatican, or indeed godliness of any flavour, but was, as far as I know, a sordid criminal enterprise connected to a predatory Bogus bishop.
None of which detracts from the magnificence of Victorian railway architecture - thanks for another fascinating excursion by rail!
This was my local station 1963-1967 and the first place from which I caught a train- to Blackfriars- can't remember why. It was a dump. Really glad to see its has been renovated
If my aging memory isn't failing me, the pub's first iteration was as the "Phoenix and Firkin", part of the Firkin' range of pubs popular in the early eighties.
That sounds right. I seem to remember a model railway that went around the wall and disappeared into a "tunnel" in the back wall, the train reappearing a little while later.
I believe you are correct.
I have passed through Denmark Hill on trains to Victoria and had a couple of appointments at King's College Hospital, so have also exited the station. I remember the temporary footbridge and the steep stairs which was not fun for someone increasingly prone to vertigo.
Your mention of the third rail electrification reminds me of the time I saw a dog being electrocuted on the track in 1998 at that station.
I've always wished that they would convert the system to overhead power to give animals more chance.
Festive season greetings Jago and all others.
When I was younger I went to an illegal rave on the site of the original Crystal Palace, it was marvellous fun and I made friends with lots of people who stayed on friendly terms with for many years after....
Lining in walking distance from this station I'm glad you made this video about it. The pub was originally one of the David Bruce "Firkin" (A size of beer cask) chain of brewpubs called the "Phoenix and Firkin" and has a rather large railway station (not platform clock inside. You could see the brewery, which was in the basement, though a small window in part of the floor and there was a garden gauge model train that ran on top of part of the bar-back. Unfortunately it later became on "O'Neil's" mock Irish pub before returning to be the Phoenix again.
Love all these videos on the build up to Christmas
Thank you for the latest upload.
Your enthusiasm in all things rail in London is infectious as I hope to travel to many of these stations & lines over the next few years .
Keep up the good work and hope you spread more infectious enthusiasm in the coming year .
Wishing all your viewers a happy , prosperous & healthy New Year !
Thank you! Season’s greetings!
"A gross over-simpification of the situation with the station, don't use it in a dissertation"
You are W S Gilbert, and I claim my £5
Jago's recitation gave me much delectation.
Though there have been many corroborative details, thankfully Jago has never been guilty of putting out a bald and unconvincing narrative.
I'd never have thought of going to Denmark Hill but your film gave me a lighbulb moment. When I was a teenager we went to live in London for a couple of years (1967 - 1970) - the worst years of my life. The station was a derelict ruin. I once cycled there from our home near Clapham Junction. I had no idea it was such a wonderfully photogenic place now.
I'm writing this from my winter retreat near Perpignan in France, there's a village near here called Palau del Vidre and my Catalan friends laugh when I say "Ah - Crystal Palace!" (You can check that with Google translate). It has a dis-used station on the Perpignan-Port Bou line, still there.
And I thank you Jago for making me laugh over the red wine and French cheese!
The station at Perpignan is just a station - but wander out and there are the city walls. Love it. And Elne. Well, all of the Catalan part really.
@@chrissaltmarsh6777 I know this area well, my parents retired here over 30 years ago and frequent visits have endeared me to the place. I'm staying between Argelès and Sorède, at the foot of the Albères. Today I was exploring an old mineral railway above Amelie les Bains.
Thanks for your comment, which I recognise may not have been aimed specifically at me - but to provide info to other TH-cam voyeurs on here!
@@Clivestravelandtrains I hope to visit again. Last time was by commuter train from Clapham Junction, then Eurostar, a cab to Gare de Lyon, TGV to Perpignan, local to Elne. The journey is part of the fun. And with a 12-year-old in tow, a hell of a lot better than flying.
@@chrissaltmarsh6777 A much better experience for your 12-year-old too, I'd bet. A good way to bring someone up, rather than the "Entitlement" fly-anywhere-I-want mentality that is pervading now.
@@Clivestravelandtrains She loved it - top deck of a TGV, wander around, watch the passing world. And perhaps 2 hours longer than an aeroplane, with a tenth less worry. She's grown up now, and currently in Paris. Envy envy.
🎼CPSLJR! 🎵 Its fun to stay at the CPSLJR! 🎶So catchy! lmao 🤣🤣
Ha ! Ha ! . . . This is my local station ! ! ! . . . Love It ! . . . Thanks for this.
Merry christams
@@tremensdelirious happy new pear
Why are you wishing two Scottish gentlemen, Christopher and Thomas, a merry?
Ritish Brail, go home. You’re drunk. 😂
@@andeegreen worknet east south
@@Sarahbryson321 happy new pear to u tooo
I dont often comment but I do have to say, the information you cram into these videos is phenomenal.
I mean, I've now learnt why that stretch across South London is two separate double track entities, but also bits of trivia I've learnt from this video that destroy previously held "knowledge"....
- The Crystal Palace wasn't originally where the area known as Crystal Palace is now
- The first electrification of these lines was actually overhead wires instead of third rail.
Kudos, dude
And Merry Christmas
Thank you, and a Merry Christmas to you!
Yes, overhead electrification was news to me too. I thought the whole south east had gone from steam to 3rd rail immediately. You learn something new every day!
@Jago Hazzard there is some one on here saying he giving a pro book for free and trying to charge them for shipping m8
Thanks
We had a prematch drink in the Phoenix pub before a Dulwich Hamlet game walked down the hill to the ground only to find they had moved to Tooting and Mitchams ground !
Didnt know that, is the old ground by the Sainsburys in for more Development ?
@@highpath4776 still there and they have now moved back
Great video about my local station. I've been traveling from here every day for the last 10 years so great to finally see a video about it.
Thank you for the entertainment I've had since finding your channel. Have a peaceful Christmas.
You are very welcome! And the best wishes for the season to you!
I was rostered on early turn at the ticket office the morning of the fire in 1980. I caught the South London Line from Clapham around 6am, but it went sailing through Denmark Hill. When I got to Peckham Rye I found out that the Ticket office had been destroyed. It was a tiny passimeter in the centre of the booking hall.
Used to drink in the Phoenix and Firkin years ago when I lived in Camberwell! Nice to know it’s still there.
It is no longer part of the Firkin brewery chain so things have changed a bit.
Fond memories of Denmark Hill from when my mum was a cadet at WBC across the road. Arriving there on the train was always a much nicer journey than travelling in the car for yonks because she doesn't drive on motorways!
Merry Christmas! Thank you so much for covering my home station. I watched Denmark hill transform over the last 25 years and it indeed beautiful
Merry Christmas, Jago. Thank you for another year of wonderful videos.
Thanks! And a Merry Christmas to you too!
Ah my local station. It's had some serious upgrading in recent years but never knew it almost met its demise and The Victorian Society's intervention. Thanks for that.
An absolute belter Jago!
This one will need to be saved and watched again a couple of times. Just like Denny Hill, your output is more than your consumption. I can’t keep up mate!
Anyway, like so many others, I’d like to personally thank you from the inner reaches of my messed up heart and brain.
You are one of the brightest shining lights and a steadying constant for me. It gives me so much pleasure and interest that I stave off the darkness inside.
Jago, you don’t need to know the details, but just trust that you are a shining light that is making a marked difference in some people’s lives.
Merry Christmas and a very happy new year to you, internet friend ❤
[true story]
That overhead electrification was fairly unusual for the UK - it was 6600VAC at low frequency (25Hz) instead of the usual mains 50Hz. A similar system was also used on the Lancaster, Morecambe and Heysham line, later converted to 50Hz as part of trials that led to the 25KVAC system used today. The reason for the low frequency AC is a bit technical, I could be here all week...
If you're waiting for a train as you write, you could be there all week anyway.
"The reason for the low frequency AC is a bit technical, I could be here all week..."
I don't mind.
"Is a bit technical... "?! Go on then; this is the sort of niche detail info we go to the internet for.
Well if you all insist. I make no claims to be another Fran Blanche, Big Clive, Tim Hunkin etc., but here goes.
Trains of that era had series wound traction motors, which are generally DC only. 3rd (and indeed 4th) rail provides pretty much exactly the relatively low voltage and very high current that those motors need. However, the kit is expensive, needing lineside feeder stations every 4 Km or so.
AC power is much cheaper and easier to transmit over longer distances (e.g. the 25KVAC system has a range of perhaps 40 Km). Putting AC in a DC motor does actually work, except that it will quickly burn out. Changing AC into DC on board a train was iffy, using things like mercury arc rectifiers (see the tale of the Glasgow Blue Trains), which were fine at the lineside but not so much on a moving train.
The alternative was to modify the motors to stop them overheating (caused by induction, the same principal by which an induction hob works). The result was the Universal Motor, capable of working on DC or AC. However, the usual 50 Hz mains wasn’t so suitable, so they used half that frequency instead which was much better. In fact, most of Europe still uses 16.7 Hz AC for railway traction as a legacy of the system developed in Germany. This was popular with countries which had limited black coal, but had lots of lignite (brown coal) or hydro power, making it very popular in Scandiwegian countries and the like.
There were AC Induction Motors, but these are controlled not by changing the voltage but by changing the frequency of the AC, and the electronics needed for that didn’t become widespread until the 1980s. If you’ve listened to any hit recorded with an FM Synthesis keyboard (Yamaha DX series etc) then you’ve heard the system that controls modern traction - its no coincidence that Class 350s etc make strange warbling noises.
I’ve probably got some of that wrong, but I won’t be the least bit offended if more knowledgeable persons set me straight - I consider that helpful education.
Sorry Jago, I’ll shut up now. You’ve enough problems (like recovering from seeing Geoff Marshall in the shower - or is that what the protective goggles were for?) without me clogging the channel up with techie stuff.
@@lordmuntague you actually did it - well, thank you.
Also, I will try and find new applications for the word lineside feeder and then use it in conversation annoyingly often.
This station and Kentish Town are two stations where I admire the brickwork and overall design
I've always gotten a bit of a snicker about the name "Kentish Town", well it is like a town in Kent but not really, it is sort of a Kentish Town.
Denmark Hill is quite a unique busy area in South London and the railway station is also very busy with step-free access and with Southeastern, Thameslink and London Overground that all stop at Denmark Hill.
I do see why Denmark Hill station is still busy as usual with mostly London Overground, Southeastern and Thameslink trains all serving the station. Maybe East Brixton should have a new London Overground station and also at Loughborough Junction. Anyways Merry Christmas Jago. 😊
Another excellent video. Merry Christmas and Happy New year to you and all viewers to your fabulous channel.
Thank you! And the best of the season to you too!
G'day from Australia, you and your family have a wonderful Christmas and the best regards, Neil 🤠.
And to yourselves!
Thank you for showing such a beautiful station. Such attention to detail is fabulous, from your description and the design. I went to the new Battersea underground station recently and was very very disappointed. Keep on showing your videos for us to admire.
... this is a gross oversimplification of the situation of the complication of the station don't use it in a dissertation ...
pure poetry
Denmark Hill is one of my favourite stations in London too - on more than one occasion I've planned journeys to involve a change there just so I can have a look round. There's something about stations in a cutting with retaining walls that really appeals to me. And its resurgence is a prime example of the effect of putting a station on the tube map. Lovely video, thank you and Merry Christmas!
North Dulwich Station is in a cutting so worth a look as it's only down the other side of Denmark hill.
Thank you, and a Merry Christmas to you!
This was my local station in the 1970s, its certainly looking a bit posh now! Thanks Jago.
I'm always fascinated by the number of not-quite-connections there are in this area. You can't get from Clapham or Wandsworth to Brixton because the line passes over and there are no platforms on the LCDR lines. You can't get from Brixton to Denmark Hill because the platforms are closed. You can't get from Loughborough Junction there for similar reasons. Therefore any Southeastern suburban service to Victoria travels a long way without any useful connection
For a time, the Eurostar used to run through Herne Hill and proceed to Waterloo. Yet there have never been services between those two stations. It think the required link was built for the Eurostar, which no longer uses it, but presumably it's still there.
I'm sure I'm sure you can go Clapham junction to Brixton now, via Clapham high street. I think.
@@danielebowman Holy Trinity C of E?
The architecture of Denmark Hill station is really very attractive and thank goodness it wasn’t demolished. Thank you John Betjamin. I decided to watch this video while I had my evening meal, a pasta dish, like the station of Italianate origin.
Thank you Jago for yet another fascinating view into London’s suburban railways. I can’t get over the LBSC Rly and LC&D Rly actually working together on this.
Best wishes from Christmas and New Year 🎄
You didn't mention DH's biggest customer, Kings College hospital. The pub opened originally as the Phoenix and Firkin.
My experience of London is north of the river, so this was a revelation to me. What a splendid station, and fascinating video. I must now pursue chapels in railway stations.
A station I've gone *through* a lot over the years but not often have gone *to*. Honestly, it is a remarkably pretty and ornate building for what it ostensibly 'just a commuter station', but then again it is rather a busy station serving a busy area (its proximity to two hospitals and one of Kings' campuses definitely means it should be up to the task), and acting as an interchange between 3 services.
Interesting to dive into its history and see that this lovely building faced being destroyed, that this pretty busy station went into decline. It's great to see it thriving and better than ever nowadays.
And 'The Phoenix'. Excellent, lol.
Great video!
Thank you and merry christmas.🚇
Excellent as always - Ive enjoyed a few swift halfs in the pub back in the day
Regularly use this station, thank you for this, as always, Jago!
Spent most of my London years in Peckham so know the station well. Definitely tops the rankings in terms of station coffee shops (FCB Coffee is excellent!) IMO
Denmark Hill is a smaller version of St. Pancras, I remember in the 1990s when only the old London Bridge to Victoria South London line and the Blackfriars to Sevenoaks line were the only trains to serve it.
Now it has the Thameslink which absorbed the old Sevenoaks service, the Overground which absorbed the SLL, and now has a service to Dartford and Gravesend via Lewisham, Blackheath and Bexleyheath, and a couple of longer distanced services to Maidstone, Medway, Faversham, Canterbury and Dover.
It’s become a rather nifty and unexpected hub similar to other major South East London stations like Lewisham, Woolwich Arsenal & Bromley South
When i lived in Peckham i used to use Peckham rye Station wished i had tried Denmark Hill now..still miss the old place
Being partial to a pint I've been in a few station pubs over the years, some more interesting than others, but all quite different. A marvellous subject for a video series, methinks.
An encouraging tale of restoration from decline. Many thanks for your fascinating videos Jago, seasonal best wishes and looking forward to more in the New Year!
And to yourself!
You chose a lovely sunny day to film at Denmark Hill, Jago ☀️ In the midst of winter, that gives me something to look forward to 👏🏾 Merry Christmas 2022 🎄
Great Video Jago, loved it. 👍
At a time of the year (Advent) when we are supposed to reflect before the Christmas festivities (which should not really begin until Christmas Day), it is comforting that there are people such as Mr Hazzard. I have never been, and am not, a railway enthusiast, but the stories on this channel offer us material which is interesting, enlightening and educational. We are all better in some way as a result of viewing it.
Mr Hazzard, thank you for all your efforts and for all that you have provided. I wish you a Happy Christmas and a peaceful New Year.
And may I wish the same to you!
@@JagoHazzard You may ! Gratefully received.
On of the reason's why Denmark Hill has been so popular throughout it's life is in part due to the Salvation Army's International Officer Training College that you can see in a few of the shots across the road. It's going to become even more popular soon when they finish construction on the new Territorial Headquarters of The Salvation Army that is being built on the side of the existing Training College and Heritage Museum.
Great history lesson of a station I visited many years ago, last century actually.
👍🏻
In the mid 1980’s, there was a proposal to build a structure over the line near the station in order to extend Kings College Hopspital. I was working for a management contractor at the time and advised that the this might be possible but that there were better options.
I lived near Denmark hill then the overground was finally joined up, after Denmark hill, which helped make the station greatly relevant again. So great to see the station now, so well served by multiple train companies.
The station stories idea suggested by someone else sounds good, even the little stations of Dulwich all points of the compass, and how not to confuse Herne Hill and Tulse Hill ( I think fond thoughts of a girl from Tulse Hill and then remember she is the same age as me, which is ancient so she will be an old lady, hope she had a happy life)
I think I only used Denmark Hill once, when the line to Herne Hill was being maintained, and BR's solution was to provide a bus service from Denmark Hill. Which would have been fine, except that some bright spark decided that the bus service should link with the twice hourly rail service by leaving a few minutes BEFORE the latter arrived. Which it duly did. Otherwise I'd probably have forgotten that occasion by now.
The news rail companies still provide buses from Herne Hill to Denmark Hill during line maintenance. I'm not sure if it is better timed.
Thank you for a great video on such a beautiful station. Merry Christmas and have a great new year.
You’re very welcome, and season’s greetings to you too!
I also found this station very relaxing, especially sitting on one of the seats around the side reading the railway detective book, even if I was on the way to a hospital appointment.
It was our local station, I was born just round the corner at kings college hospital. We lived in Herne hill, poplar walk road. I remember the days of semaphore signals and 4-sub units!
Enjoyed the Denmark Hill video, and look forward to the future video mentioned about the Crystal Palace station’s, an area I investigated in my youth. Walked the tunnel to the high side station, I’m not sure you can now. Always enjoy your videos, keep them coming.
thank you it was nice to know about the history of my local train station
Ah, the much loved Phoenix and Firkin of Bruces Brewery fame. " Phoenix my pint I'll firkin thump him" wrtten on the beermats I recall.
Great video as always, thank you and seasons greetings.
And to you!
Had always assumed that Denmark Hill was an LBSC station because of the style. However, it seems that due to the alliance, the impecunious LCDR ended up building a fine station much nicer than their usual spartan offerings. Heartening to see its renaissance thanks to the craft pub and then the Overground, neatly reusing the old South London line which has undergone 3 cycles of success and decline due to trams and changing traffic needs. Incidentally "ulterior motives" (0:55) seems in another light to be imaginative business enterprise, which resulted in the retention of a fascinating building (at least until it burnt down in 1936), pleasure for millions of visitors, employment, and profits for the railway companies and associated businesses. Nice point on carbon-positive or negative (6:48), since we mainly talk about carbon-neutral; I'm not sure now :) Thanks for another enlightening and entertaining year of videos Jago, and Merry Christmas!
Thank you, and a Merry Christmas to you too!
It is a great pleasure to see how plenty of formerly shabby stations have been restored to a standard one would never have thought possible, in fact to an appearance they probably only ever had on paper before, because in the steam age nothing survived urban air pollution for so long that it could even be completed while still looking good.
Seeing how fine some old buildings have become, I think that by now some restraint would be in order in choosing routes for even occasional steam heritage trips, lest all those admirable and expensive efforts should go to waste.
Beautiful station and the pub's great, with a huge clock hanging from the ceiling.
3:00 minutes in reminded me of an old Python sketch; 'Don't practice your alliteration at me'. Thanks Jago, keep up the good work
This station is a beauty…A Camberwell Beauty in fact…geddit? It’s a butterfly (you knew that). This is one of my favourite stations on the LT network. Glad it’s been covered. One of the thing I like about 8:01 videos is all the links he makes, who was a director of this who happened to sit on the board of that - This whole Victorian rail thing seems very incestuous . And as for all those initials and acronyms- we think LMFAO is a new thing! I recall on an old map a narrow gauge railway in a loop was depicted in Crystal Palace park, though when I visited some years back I saw no sign of it. Merry Christmas Jago, here’s to another year of much informative railway miscellany
I think that was the 'fan' railway they had just for the exhibition
@@des_smith7658 the map was much newer than when the exhibition was at the site. I wonder whether not May have survived the exhibition itself for a while. The map I had showed no sign of the Crystal Palace structure, alternatively the later map my have retained some features no longer extant. The topography changes quicker than maps are updated.
@@captaincodpiece3263 the location for my story is now called
Lower Lake next to Thicket Road.
Not very far from the Croydon atmospheric railway route in 1840s
@@captaincodpiece3263 Didnt Adventure Me do three vids last year on Crystal Palace Park ?
Merry Christmas to you too!
Hello Jago:
So glad you've highlighted Denmark Hill station here today. Peckham Rye, next along the line, which is currently being renovated - very, very slowly! - shares a similar history presumably. Certainly, it has similar architecture with another grand entrance hall and function rooms - except compared with Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye is inverted (UP to the platforms, not down). The only things you might have mentioned, and shown, when talking about the ''contemporary'' station, would have been the new footbridge and the lifts now installed and much welcomed, in contrast to the very ornate high-Victorian stairways further down the platform. Thank you, it's history was fascinating: and presumably it's close proximity to one of the capital's great (teaching) Hospitals (King's College) would have been another region for its location. Don't tell the Salvation Army, you left them out!! Than k you as ever. Noël Tredinnick
Thank you, Dr Tredinnick, for all your contributions to the world of music (the most important thing in my life other than my family) and to church music in particular. You are another person who makes the world a better place.
@@hb1338 thank you for your generous words and affirmation: appreciated certainly. Noël
Denmark Hill is indeed a nice station. Thanks for the history Jago
I thought that was marvellous.. and very funny :) you have a way with words sir
Ah well bang goes my disertation then! 😉Great video as always though.
Merry Christmas,Jago,and a healthy and Happy New Year 😊! That third rail electrification came from the former LSWR,and the LB&SC version pioneered what now blankets Britain,and most of the world! Small seeds,great trees!! Thanks again 👍!
And best wishes of the season to you!
Fascinating, as ever.
Yes enjoyed the video as always , I remember the time when the campaign to save the burnt out derelict station occurred ,Michael Palin of Monty Python fame was also a member of the Camberwell society who was involved in the campaign , the railway company seemed quite apathetic in those days not caring about the splendid railway architecture they inherited from the Victorian days , how about Loughborough Junction station just along Coldharbour road would that warrant a video ?.
This used to be my local station in the early 2010s.
Always thought it was a lovely building: thanks for highlighting it. HAPPY CHRISTMAS
And a happy Christmas to you also!
I’ve been to Denmark Hill station several timescale, i have a cousin who used to work at Kings College Hospital and we’ve dined at the pub/bistro in the old station building. Happy Christmas Jago. 🎄👍🥂
And to you!
I know it's very immature but I still can't hear 'overground' without starting to whistle the clarinet break from the Wombles theme tune. And thinking of Bernard Cribbens.
Not immature at all, unlike its' composer. "Underground, Overground, London Thameslink".
Fortunately, the tube has not reached Denmark Hill, yet.
I had an interview at King's College Hospital back in the 1980s, so I think I have been to Denmark Hill. Can't remember much about the station unfortunately. Ended up working somewhere else.
used that station/walked past it/drunk in the pub there many times when i lived in South London - so this video was very fascinating to me. Never knew there was a church there - quite extraordinary!
You deserve an ovation for your oration
The Sally Army fortress over the road is just as imposing. Regular users were MI5 spies going to work in the not-so-secret radio listening station just along the road.
IIRC, the Salvation army building is a training college. The people who work in listening stations are not spies, even though their colleagues include real spies.
@@hb1338 I could have posted this
South London. Metropolitan Police intercept station established in mid 1930s against illicit transmissions including Soviet spies. Intercepted commercial and diplomatic traffic for GCCS from 1939.
But couldn't be arsed. 99% wouldn't know what CCCS was , but they do know Mi5. And I am fully aware MI5 doesn't employ spies, agents or any such James Bond bollocks.
Thank you for this and all of your videos. Merry Christmas.
And to yourself!
Another fascinating story! Back in the 1970s when I commuted to school on those South London railways and explored well beyond the prescribed route, I was amazed by the intricate architecture of Denmark Hill station building - it seemed far too extensive for the task required (like the Crystal Palace stations). It's great that it survived fire and demolition threats to serve as a very different type of pub.
Not only was Leo Schuster a Director of the LB&SCR and a member of the consortium which bid for the Crystal Palace,he was also the owner of Penge Place,the estate upon which the Palace came to be re-erected.
The opening of the LB&SCR spur to Crystal Palace Low Level was all part of the deal.
The wretched LC&D took another ten years to get to Crystal Plalace High Level by which time the big money had evaporated...
Yes, what might be called "ulterior motives" (0:55) seems in another light to be imaginative business enterprise, which resulted in the retention of a fascinating building (at least until it burnt down in 1936), pleasure for millions of visitors, employment, and profits for the railway companies and associated businesses.
Very interesting. I visited a couple of months ago, albeit in the dark, and thought it looked very nice. I'll have to travel back through when I do more Thameslink routes south of London, and when I do more SouthEastern stuff, although I now have ticked it off on Overground.
Sees Trains from , South Eastern, Thameslink and London Overground - as a pair of EWS loco working Class 66s go by.
I didn’t know that it was designed by Driver; the brickwork is similar to Crossness pumping station.
I haven’t been there for several years, but the canopy on the centre platform was supported by a steel structure at the bottom of the stairs which seemed to have been cut down from something taller. Could it possibly have been one of the LBSC electrification structures?
I've always assumed the same - that it is the bottom part of a stanchion for the overhead. Presumably the original canopy stanchions flanking it were removed and the canopy supported by this structure. There are several other bits of the LBSC overhead still in evidence: The lighting gantries in Streatham Hill depot are the most obvious, but there is a stanchion set into the viaduct parapet at Battersea Park, and a lot of stubs cut off at their bases or poking out of retaining walls.
These are interesting leads that I think I should follow!
@@JagoHazzard There are a few more remains. I'll email you a list
Look forward to a video on Crystal Palace station(s)! Beautiful station with a complex history, mixed in with restoration an and abandoned platform for good measure