I was trying to figure out why the back wheels and the front wheels were turning in opposite direction on my C44. Thanks to your video, I now know my rear axle is upside down. What a relief!!
@@RunThatRC yessir! anyway, does it have any issues with the dual speed gearbox? it came with plastic gears, should we change it to metal? or is it ok just stay with stock plastic gears?
Rtr David my mn99 esc and 260 motor arrive I was super happy that my mn model runs again but the problem adds more the plastic ring gear is slipping I might get some metal on differential the problem on bannggood is not cash on delivery
Thanks a lot for this very clear video! I have some experience in building rc helicopters and airplanes but I choose your video to be the best. Especially the extra comments on the tricky parts like the axel trusses I appreciated ( Amazing those plastic trusses don't split when you screw the ball joints in). It is becoming a great looking car, the WPL C44KM, can't wait to get it out tomorrow! Great video, helped a ton!
A little tip for waterproofing the servo from back in the day is to put extra grease on the gears and put an o-ring on before the servo arm to create a seal.
That's how I use to do it. now I just open it up and marine grease the gears and conformal or plastidip the board inside and that has been a lot more reliable like that for me. Had a truck underwater in a river for about 15mins before I went in after it and still works!
hey David, you seen my latest "budget hack"? use a paper punch on sticky back foam sheet, give each disc a center hole, slide it down the shock shaft. tiny amount of CA to lock it to the underside of the head, press tight flat with back edge of hobby blade. wet it with a little oil and put it in, gives just enough friction damping to stop them bouncing around.
Thanks for posting this video. I have made up my mind and i'll be buying the WPL C44KM. I have already bought the MN45 but i know i'll have to do some mods to that to get it to the standard i want. The only real mods i'll do to the WPL is possibly using MN electronics so i can add lighting and rear tail lights {even if that means building the rear light case.
nice truck the C44KM. You will like it. Check out the WPL V3 esc receiver combo with transmitter it performs well and is very smooth. It has a light and sound kit built in as well.
@@brandondannys-menary3678 i use these mini 20-30amp esc from amazon,but you can get them on banggood also any receiver will work i like flysky radio and receiver and you would need a small battery with a jst connector
Nice! Mine is coming in the near future hopefully. I think they got overwhelmed with orders 🤣 Video will be a great guide for me as this will be my first build.
I just finished mine, what a great kit and a surprisingly good crawler. Only issue I have are the tires popping out even after gluing them. Have you come across a beadlock wheel that would work with the C44 tires?
I'm actually not using any beadlocks on my WPLs. Before I glue my tires to the wheels I clean the contact areas with alchohol and then glue them and let them set for a little and you should be good to go.
Hi, nice vid buddy! can i please ask, did u install the standard plastic trusses or did u upgrade to the metal ones? are the metal trusses recommended or really necessary as per WPL website suggestions? I can't imagine this scale rig to be under so much load for this part to fail?? Cheers from down under.
it all depends if tumbling from 6ft is something that is part of the terrain you tackle then yes. That was the only way I managed to break a plastic truss. I was able to super glue it back together and still ran it the rest of the day.
Hello, Thank you for sharing this video, I bought this truck (WPLC44KM) but my axle trust are plastic, (10:58) yours are metal. where did you get them? what is the part number? thank you again
The WPL C44KM is hobby grade right, and if not, what upgrades would you propose be best (if any, looks good enough stock). But i do not have on YET (hint on the yet) so i cannot know for sure. Best upgrades or best things to do to it to make it better (if it is possible to make it better).
Hello, nice work. Can I ask if in the wheels ,with the weights that are in the box with the kit, we put extra foam? I just got the c44km kit and start to assemble. You are our coach to modelism. Thank you.
some people do run foams. I haven't tried foams yet but if your going to load up your truck you might want to look into it so you don't suffer from tire curl or roll.
I recommend a 2s 1500mah lion or lipo I'd you want more punch. Check out the wpl V3 sound kit. It comes with a radio and it's a solid esc receiver combo with lights capabilities and sound.
Looks like a pretty solid kit? I mean, it's pretty unbeatable for the price? I might have to order a kit and try it out. The detail on that body is amazing
RunThatRC would you order the ond with the winsch? Seem like the one with the best value? Metal parts, wooden flatbed and winsch for under 100 bucks is pretty crazy
@@RCManiacs yes and I would get the V3 controller esc combo to control all those features. Unless you already have a programmable tx and electronics you want to use.
your correct. Just servo horn against the slot. To control the 2 speed you will need a 3 channel transmitter and receiver. The wpl Res v3 sound esc and receiver light kit combo would do the job nicely.
2 to 3 cell lipo batteries work well. I have fit a wltoys a979b 2s 1500mah lipo under the hood of this C44KM. Haven't tried 3s on this truck yet but have tried it on the B36KM and like it as well. In the past prior to the wpl v3 board i ran mainly 2s lithium ion 500 to 1300mah packs. safer if you don't have a lipo alarm or LVC.
How does the motor mount in this awesome little rig? My kit is on its way and I’m thinking about going brushless so just want to make sure I get a brushless motor/esc combo that will bolt in without problems. Thanks.
you can install a 370 size brushless motor. The brushless 4300kv motor I have just screws into the stock motor location on the gearbox. you will just need a pinion gear on the motor to mesh with the gears. my mini sct pinion gears worked for me using a 9 or 10t pinion I believe. Excelorin 4300kv motor from losi mini sct and a castle mini mamba 25a esc is what im using with a flysky tx/rx. It is in my MN Model D90 kit if you have seen that running video. its sensorless so it cogs just a little bit but it works pretty good overall.
Hello RC professor..!! I have a thought and want your opinion. I want to put the suspension of Traxxas summit 1:16. Is the wpl c34 in scale 1:16blike traxxass scale or it is similar to 1:12 like MND90,so I have to search for 1:12 scale oil shocks
not sure if that would work as i dont know how big or small the 16th scale summits shocks are. I personally just run the stock friction shock setup on my wpls and mn models.
Hi I had to mod my front axle this was my first build so not sure if I was doing it right but the gears were really tight so I 3D printed a washer to space it out and is tight still but should wear in and get better 👍
I didnt have to mod them but I had to remove some paint from the axle cover tabs and just made sure everything was free from binding. I seem to have good luck with my axle that dont bind.
its called plastidip and it is just a rubberized coating for tools and so on. you can use a similar product or you can use conformal coating, rtv sealant and many other waterproofing tricks RCers use. none of these are 100% full proof but I have had great luck with plastidip.
Transmitter, receiver, esc, battery, light kit, sound kit, winch controller which the V3 tx/rx esc combo features or all those separately with your choice electronics. Minimum transmitter, receiver and esc and some wires of your choice to connect battery plug, and motor to esc.
If your referring to the WPL Res V3 board it really doesn't fit under the battery tray unless you trim. Here's a video that show where I put it. th-cam.com/video/wUNI84OJYsk/w-d-xo.html
to complete the c44km you will need your own transmitter, receiver, electronic speed controller (esc) and a battery. also a battery charger. You will need to solder wires as well so a decent soldering iron as well.
Hey, had a question if you can help - on my WL12428 when I push the trigger forward it'll brake the car, then let off the trigger and push it forward again and it'll go into reverse. What kind of ESC is that or is that a receiver setting? My WPLc24 doesnt do this even though my ESC says it has braking or there;s a switch for one on it. Thanks !
That's a esc setting. Some esc have forward, brake and reverse. Some have forward, brake only like race escs and some have forward reverse. There are more settings like drag brake and much more for higher specd electronics.
David rc is the diff and ring gear brass gear on wpl will fit on mn90? I need to upgrade it becouse the plastic diff on mn90 is strip is becouse of 260 motor its overpower
not sure if you can get this RTR at the moment. Look around for best price for the C44KM kit and V3 petrol sound kit esc receiver board if your willing to give RC kit building a try. You can watch a couple videos to help you through the build. It will help you learn things you want to learn anyways in this hobby. It's a steep learning curve with these kits specifically but is duable with patience and persistence. The things you learn doing that makes this hobby easier and it in turn will make your future Rc kit building experience with other kits less intimidating. I understand you might not have all the tools to build a kit at the moment. Fortunately it doesn't cost too much for a small set of allen keys and screwdrivers. Even a decent soldering iron could be had at a low cost. Learning how to use these tools and completing a build is really satisfying in my opinion and every Rc enthusiasts should give it a go!
yeah unfortunately I had to leave that out. I received this kit as a prerelease and WPL wasn't sure yet on the gearbox choice and what will come in the box. You can check this video out. They install to all the wpl chassis in a similar way. th-cam.com/video/HG5EwzL4EGY/w-d-xo.html
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Check out the links in the description or go straight to the official WPL RC website by clicking below:
www.wpl-rc.com/?ref=DAVIDCLARK
Really appreciate showing which screws very helpful!
Maybe the most beautiful WPL truck, thanks for the video!
not only is the c34 and 44 nice to look at but they perform really well and the c34 can climb some cool obstacles
Great video. My parts just arrived. Can't wait to run it.
Have fun!
Excellent Project. It turned out great for you!
Glad you like it!
Thanks for this video!! This rig has been on my list for a while real happy to see it all layed out!! Cheers! Have a great 2022
No problem. This rig is one cool looking farm truck. I think they are great tinker machines for the price for sure.
I was trying to figure out why the back wheels and the front wheels were turning in opposite direction on my C44. Thanks to your video, I now know my rear axle is upside down. What a relief!!
Glad I could help!
I just ordered mine kit today. I appreciate you making this, it's a great resource. Thanks!
nice! glad it helps. you will enjoy building it. Its fun and takes a little tinkering sometimes to make things work properly.
Been long time I didnt watch ur vids, now im gonna build the same C44 KM while watching this vids, hope all going on well.
it's a nice truck. You will like it.
@@RunThatRC yessir! anyway, does it have any issues with the dual speed gearbox? it came with plastic gears, should we change it to metal? or is it ok just stay with stock plastic gears?
Ordering x2 kits now to go crawling with my daughter new to RC - perfect scale for small crawling at local national park / creek / small rocks.
you guys will enjoy it. They definitely are a good take anywhere size. The capability will surprise you.
The wood bed is really neat
I like it! Bring in the realism!
Rtr David my mn99 esc and 260 motor arrive I was super happy that my mn model runs again but the problem adds more the plastic ring gear is slipping I might get some metal on differential the problem on bannggood is not cash on delivery
Your lucky you have that option sometimes. Here in the U.S. they never offered COD.
Thanks a lot for this very clear video! I have some experience in building rc helicopters and airplanes but I choose your video to be the best. Especially the extra comments on the tricky parts like the axel trusses I appreciated ( Amazing those plastic trusses don't split when you screw the ball joints in).
It is becoming a great looking car, the WPL C44KM, can't wait to get it out tomorrow!
Great video, helped a ton!
glad it helped you out! Thanks for stopping by!
A little tip for waterproofing the servo from back in the day is to put extra grease on the gears and put an o-ring on before the servo arm to create a seal.
That's how I use to do it. now I just open it up and marine grease the gears and conformal or plastidip the board inside and that has been a lot more reliable like that for me. Had a truck underwater in a river for about 15mins before I went in after it and still works!
@@RunThatRC Oh ya I should have said you should still waterproof the board, the o-ring is mainly to just try and keep the grease in and water out.
I'm just purchased this one with the v3 sound combo, really good video!
nice! You will be surprised with the 2 speeds low gear crawlability.
hey David, you seen my latest "budget hack"? use a paper punch on sticky back foam sheet, give each disc a center hole, slide it down the shock shaft. tiny amount of CA to lock it to the underside of the head, press tight flat with back edge of hobby blade. wet it with a little oil and put it in, gives just enough friction damping to stop them bouncing around.
Thanks for posting this video. I have made up my mind and i'll be buying the WPL C44KM. I have already bought the MN45 but i know i'll have to do some mods to that to get it to the standard i want. The only real mods i'll do to the WPL is possibly using MN electronics so i can add lighting and rear tail lights {even if that means building the rear light case.
nice truck the C44KM. You will like it. Check out the WPL V3 esc receiver combo with transmitter it performs well and is very smooth. It has a light and sound kit built in as well.
Well done!
thanks!
Well u convinced me to buy a kit. I hope I can get it done an works good. If not I'll be calling u up.
hahaha nice! You will like it.
Building one right now, this video is helping big time, thx!
nice! thanks for stopping by!
That is a cool kit,i just ordered my first kit a c24 ,if i like it i may order a few more kits.
Welcome to the WPL club!
Since most of the kits don’t come with esc, a receiver and a battery. Where would I buy them? And what kind would I need to buy
@@brandondannys-menary3678 i use these mini 20-30amp esc from amazon,but you
can get them on banggood also any receiver will work i like flysky radio and receiver and you would need a small battery with a jst connector
Dcbrix thank you so much!
Nice! Mine is coming in the near future hopefully. I think they got overwhelmed with orders 🤣 Video will be a great guide for me as this will be my first build.
They probably did. There are a lot of wpl fans out there. Hope you get yours soon. You will like this one.
is it there yet???
im buying one soon im so exited im hoping this will help😁
hope yu enjoy yours as much as I do.
Awesome video, thank you 🚘
Thank you too!
I just finished mine, what a great kit and a surprisingly good crawler. Only issue I have are the tires popping out even after gluing them. Have you come across a beadlock wheel that would work with the C44 tires?
I'm actually not using any beadlocks on my WPLs. Before I glue my tires to the wheels I clean the contact areas with alchohol and then glue them and let them set for a little and you should be good to go.
What bag did the door hinge pins come in? I'm not sure where they are or if they had not come with the box.
mine came in the bag with the hardware scews I believe.
@@RunThatRC ok thank you so much for that information.
Great job doing this. You rock dude.
Hi, nice vid buddy! can i please ask, did u install the standard plastic trusses or did u upgrade to the metal ones? are the metal trusses recommended or really necessary as per WPL website suggestions? I can't imagine this scale rig to be under so much load for this part to fail?? Cheers from down under.
it all depends if tumbling from 6ft is something that is part of the terrain you tackle then yes. That was the only way I managed to break a plastic truss. I was able to super glue it back together and still ran it the rest of the day.
@@RunThatRC of course. i forgot to factor in tumble wumbles :)
Awesome rc
It's nice for sure. I am in like with it hahaha
Amazing
Sweet video man.
Awesome job brother
Thanks I appreciate it!
@@RunThatRC 🤙👍✌🙏
Hello, Thank you for sharing this video, I bought this truck (WPLC44KM) but my axle trust are plastic, (10:58) yours are metal. where did you get them? what is the part number? thank you again
yes I have metal ones that WPL sent to me for review. Check out the official website. WPL-RC official site:
www.wpl-rc.com/?ref=DAVIDCLARK
The WPL C44KM is hobby grade right, and if not, what upgrades would you propose be best (if any, looks good enough stock). But i do not have on YET (hint on the yet) so i cannot know for sure. Best upgrades or best things to do to it to make it better (if it is possible to make it better).
it's hobby grade for sure in the KM trim. Add your electronics or the V3 sound board esc receiver combo with tx and your good to trail!
Hello, nice work. Can I ask if in the wheels ,with the weights that are in the box with the kit, we put extra foam? I just got the c44km kit and start to assemble.
You are our coach to modelism.
Thank you.
some people do run foams. I haven't tried foams yet but if your going to load up your truck you might want to look into it so you don't suffer from tire curl or roll.
Says it needs a reciever, radio, battery and esc. Which one would I get?? Great video btw
I recommend a 2s 1500mah lion or lipo I'd you want more punch. Check out the wpl V3 sound kit. It comes with a radio and it's a solid esc receiver combo with lights capabilities and sound.
Looks like a pretty solid kit? I mean, it's pretty unbeatable for the price? I might have to order a kit and try it out. The detail on that body is amazing
it is a nice kit. They take a little more skill than normal to build right, but once you figure them out they are good fun!
RunThatRC would you order the ond with the winsch? Seem like the one with the best value? Metal parts, wooden flatbed and winsch for under 100 bucks is pretty crazy
@@RCManiacs yes and I would get the V3 controller esc combo to control all those features. Unless you already have a programmable tx and electronics you want to use.
RunThatRC i was actually looking to buy everything from wpl, so i will def buy the controller and esc. And some diecasts ofc ;)
Nice! My C44KM is full WPL build and runs great I added a little waterproofing to the board and bam! Trailing I go!
Very useful vid man.
Can anyone help, i don't get how the servo the one behind the motor connects, is it just servo horn to the slot and how do i control the 2 speed?
your correct. Just servo horn against the slot. To control the 2 speed you will need a 3 channel transmitter and receiver. The wpl Res v3 sound esc and receiver light kit combo would do the job nicely.
Wohoo, great video man.. It looks sweet! :D
Thanks bro!
What ESC are you running? I want a low profile ESC with drag brake but can't figure out what to get or look for. Thank you.
I am running the WPL V3 esc receiver combo. Works great!
@@RunThatRC Thanks!
Nice video , which battery could I use with it ? I am waiting wpl sound system v3 for mine thank you
2 to 3 cell lipo batteries work well. I have fit a wltoys a979b 2s 1500mah lipo under the hood of this C44KM. Haven't tried 3s on this truck yet but have tried it on the B36KM and like it as well. In the past prior to the wpl v3 board i ran mainly 2s lithium ion 500 to 1300mah packs. safer if you don't have a lipo alarm or LVC.
How does the motor mount in this awesome little rig? My kit is on its way and I’m thinking about going brushless so just want to make sure I get a brushless motor/esc combo that will bolt in without problems. Thanks.
you can install a 370 size brushless motor. The brushless 4300kv motor I have just screws into the stock motor location on the gearbox. you will just need a pinion gear on the motor to mesh with the gears. my mini sct pinion gears worked for me using a 9 or 10t pinion I believe. Excelorin 4300kv motor from losi mini sct and a castle mini mamba 25a esc is what im using with a flysky tx/rx. It is in my MN Model D90 kit if you have seen that running video. its sensorless so it cogs just a little bit but it works pretty good overall.
8:44 FREE PALM READING.... your future shows lots of RC CARS !!!!
Nice!
Gears parts inside of the gear box metal or plastic? Thanks
2 speed gearbox is plastic geared but very durable. Haven't stripped any gears yet and I have one running a 390 brushless motor.
Hello RC professor..!!
I have a thought and want your opinion. I want to put the suspension of Traxxas summit 1:16. Is the wpl c34 in scale 1:16blike traxxass scale or it is similar to 1:12 like MND90,so I have to search for 1:12 scale oil shocks
not sure if that would work as i dont know how big or small the 16th scale summits shocks are. I personally just run the stock friction shock setup on my wpls and mn models.
do you have to mod the axles to mke fit/work?
Hi I had to mod my front axle this was my first build so not sure if I was doing it right but the gears were really tight so I 3D printed a washer to space it out and is tight still but should wear in and get better 👍
I didnt have to mod them but I had to remove some paint from the axle cover tabs and just made sure everything was free from binding. I seem to have good luck with my axle that dont bind.
I wanna get a kit or two of one of these wpl kits to piece together an 8x8
that would be cool.
Could you please put a link or just a description of the product that you use to seal the servo? I cannot seem to find something like this in Europe.
its called plastidip and it is just a rubberized coating for tools and so on. you can use a similar product or you can use conformal coating, rtv sealant and many other waterproofing tricks RCers use. none of these are 100% full proof but I have had great luck with plastidip.
The remote is included in c44 rc car kit
What parts are needed other than a control to be able to build the kit? I know a couple of things are not included not sure what tho
Transmitter, receiver, esc, battery, light kit, sound kit, winch controller which the V3 tx/rx esc combo features or all those separately with your choice electronics. Minimum transmitter, receiver and esc and some wires of your choice to connect battery plug, and motor to esc.
Mantap pak abu
thats amazing, thank you for explaining how building the wpl c44km, but I want ask you, can I change the body of c44KM to c34KM?
yes you can use the c34 body.
Great job! is helping me. btw what is the C44KM wheelbase?
approx. 223mm long 143mm wide
I know this is from a year ago lol but where did you put the circuit board? There's almost no room under the hood
If your referring to the WPL Res V3 board it really doesn't fit under the battery tray unless you trim. Here's a video that show where I put it. th-cam.com/video/wUNI84OJYsk/w-d-xo.html
Dude it’s so dope #PutAWinchOnIt
How long are the shocks from eye hole to upper mounting hole please. Gonna put some oil filled shocks on the one I ordered.
About 50mm but the top mount is not the top of the shock the shock itself is 65mm from bottom mount to top of shock.
@@RunThatRC thanks my local hobby shop should have some that will work if I do not have a set in my spare box
I’m new to this hobby and I’d like to buy this kit… can anyone tell me wich parts do I need to make it run?
to complete the c44km you will need your own transmitter, receiver, electronic speed controller (esc) and a battery. also a battery charger. You will need to solder wires as well so a decent soldering iron as well.
@@RunThatRC what is a solder wire??? I’m not English
Oh nothing I’ve understood… so I need to weld some wires?
big like!!
Hey, had a question if you can help - on my WL12428 when I push the trigger forward it'll brake the car, then let off the trigger and push it forward again and it'll go into reverse. What kind of ESC is that or is that a receiver setting? My WPLc24 doesnt do this even though my ESC says it has braking or there;s a switch for one on it. Thanks !
That's a esc setting. Some esc have forward, brake and reverse. Some have forward, brake only like race escs and some have forward reverse. There are more settings like drag brake and much more for higher specd electronics.
@@RunThatRC Ohhh okay, do any of your ESCs do as i described in the WPLs? or do the small red ones not do it ?
The 30a esc from banggood can switch between forward, brake, reverse or forward, reverse. At least the ones I received have a switch on them.
David rc is the diff and ring gear brass gear on wpl will fit on mn90? I need to upgrade it becouse the plastic diff on mn90 is strip is becouse of 260 motor its overpower
The wpl has a shorter axles shaft so it won't fit unless your trying to just buy the gears and mod them on the mn model shaft.
If I buy this what would I need that does not come in the kit
tx/rx and a esc to complete the build.
When you built the links did the plastic on them crack because i built some and the ball end links cracked while tightening and making them
No I haven't cracked any. I do screw both ends equally till I get to the proper length. They shouldn't need to be tightened down with any force.
@@RunThatRC i didnt use any force they just cracked
I'm not sure whats going on maybe defective batch? I have a couple WPLs and have been lucky with them I guess.
How much would be one of these if I were to buy it completely RTR?
not sure if you can get this RTR at the moment. Look around for best price for the C44KM kit and V3 petrol sound kit esc receiver board if your willing to give RC kit building a try.
You can watch a couple videos to help you through the build. It will help you learn things you want to learn anyways in this hobby. It's a steep learning curve with these kits specifically but is duable with patience and persistence. The things you learn doing that makes this hobby easier and it in turn will make your future Rc kit building experience with other kits less intimidating.
I understand you might not have all the tools to build a kit at the moment. Fortunately it doesn't cost too much for a small set of allen keys and screwdrivers. Even a decent soldering iron could be had at a low cost. Learning how to use these tools and completing a build is really satisfying in my opinion and every Rc enthusiasts should give it a go!
@@RunThatRC thanks, I'll do just that
Always love your stuff but you left out construction and installation of the transmission motor and lights
yeah unfortunately I had to leave that out. I received this kit as a prerelease and WPL wasn't sure yet on the gearbox choice and what will come in the box. You can check this video out. They install to all the wpl chassis in a similar way. th-cam.com/video/HG5EwzL4EGY/w-d-xo.html
How important are the wheel weights or is the difference significant? Also, you ever put the mn90 wheels/tires on a smaller kit like this?
This is not a smaller kit than mn90 it's the same scale and probably longer wheelbase too.. just mislabled as 1/16
@@hundrah2405 well for my c24 banggood says the mn90s are 3mm larger
@@M.TTT. this is c44! c24 is 1/14 scale and a little smaller also mislabled 1/16
Look up wpl d90 on TH-cam and you will see a c14 with d90 wheels it works well and is a nice upgrade
@@hundrah2405 yea I know and ohh didnt know they were mislabeled, i guess i should've been more specific about my vehicle
Muito legal
May I know wheelbase on this c44 km, Sir? Thanks in advance
Its about 218mm long and 145mm wide
@@RunThatRC thanks mate.. highly appreciate this .. warm regards from Indonesia 🇲🇨
Is it ok not to install the panhard?
i will used the 4 link system to c44
You can do that but I think it's better with the panhard on.
@@RunThatRC
how about leaf springs is it ok for
C14 C34 C44 and MND90(w/WPL axles)
@@benitisoy I personally haven't tried it. I have seen it done on some WPL Facebook page posts.
Hey can i use metal parts of c44 in wpl c14
Most parts should work other than axle truss and panhard bar setup.
👍💯☕
yeah i know how to do it know
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