Alfa Romeo Discontinues Quadrifoglio & Why The EV Market Is About To Implode
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- Alfa Romeo Discontinues the Quadrifoglio models for the Giulia and Stelvio marking the final production for this model in April 2024. FCA has made a rapid push towards EV and Hybrid power plants killing off the most soulful and spectacular high performance models this brand has created in modern times. Watch the entire video to learn about what is actually happening in the automotive world globally and realize first hand the EV market is Imploding right before everyones eyes. We now see the resale values of EV drop 50% and greater in their first year which is greater depreciation than any new ICE vehicle today. Why you ask? it is because of long term consumer fears of what an EV actually will become, obsolete like your current smart phone and there is no secondary market for old technology with batteries that will not last due to their actual life cycle depletion. You can find all of these sources online and click the links below for the articles used in this video
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Toyota was the only manufacturer that was saying that the world wasn’t ready for full EV.
Yet also they released a full EV model.
@@gbormann71 they’re going to continue to release EV models as long as people are buying them up, since they do have a business to run. But they also have been clear about the fact that they won’t put all their eggs in the EV basket like most other manufacturers are doing now. It’s a fad that will expire soon enough.
@@motorwerks They are realistic. Only 30% of vehicles wordwide will be electric so they say...
Such a shame, albeit not an entirely unexpected one. Planning to keep my QV forever.
me too.
Me too mate.
I don’t think I’ll even part with mine either
I was 18 when I started watching your videos and shortly after, you bought the 2018 QV; ever since then, it’s been my dream car and I’m almost 24 now. It’s a damn shame they’re axing it.
you gotta get one soon if you can
Enthusiasm and passion is going away from the automobile genre. Domestics are pulling away, Asia builds are all in, Europeans are reluctantly buying in. I'm okay with a mild hybrid, no plugin, no EV. We'll see.
I have a fully loaded '21 Stelvio Q4 2L from new and each and every time I look at it takes my breath away. Finest looking machine on the planet. My lease expires in April, I'm buying it back because there's nothing else out there in this trim, including the '24 Stelvio. Excellent video btw. Keep them coming. Thanx. 👏
China market owns sedans now
Looks like Toyota is NOT going all in on EV. There's not enough lithium for the number of cars they produce annually.
This is why I’m keeping my 2023 QV, Porsche 992 GT3 (6-speed), 1971 Porsche 911, 2005 Mini Cooper S and 1966 Mustang (GT350 clone) for as long as I’m able to drive. Now if I could add a new Bentley Continental GT Speed to my collection I would be very happy… lol
So would I :)
Scotty has been saying this for the last six years. He’s the man when it comes to the EV scam. He never fell for it.
that guy is a riot and saw some of his videos on this subject
Scotty's a crack head dinosaur - the EV A market will evolve, not implode - it's only been around for some 20ish years. I'll bet he said the same shyte about ICE when he was growing up during the horse n buggy days😂
There is one video Scotty posted that he wasn't high..
There’s no scam. Seriously…
@@robertpawley5715 How is it not a scam? So called 'Climate change' is a lie.
my friend who is a QV fanatic and is currently pushing me to get one, just bought his third QV (bucket seats, exposed carbon etc) for $20k off msrp, 2023 model brand new. They are giving them away. I want to buy one 2020-2022 as they have an attractive price.
Where did he buy it from?
@@nathanhoffman5230I’d like to know the same haha
me too lol
The fact that you made this video makes me like your content even more. Thanks man
Sadly, Alfa management doesn't know what they are doing with this world famous legendary brand. Keep yours because it will go up in value. They are very cool cars.
Very sad times.
pfffffffffffffff
@@steevebouchard8927 Commie?
Excellent video!! I’ve been a subscriber for five or six years and have enjoyed all of your content. I encourage you to do more videos of this format because I think you have a lot more to share.
Thinking of starting a podcast channel soon let’s see
I remember once hearing on a radio channel that pols thought the power would just come from the plug in the wall.
Like i
Emphasized in my video politicians are the dumbest people around without a clue on reality its all a power money grab to each and every one of them
I recall when a senior vice president at GM, when asked where the electricity at the GM HQ charging stations came from, replied, well, um, from the HQ building 🤣🤣🤣
I once had an engaging conversation with my neighbor on the left, about EV’s and how they get powered……needless to say, it didn’t end well for him.
Hey Phil, I have been following your channel for years with enthusiasm of all the Alfa insight you have with these cars. Thanks for the unfortunate post that we knew was coming. It's also sad that the article is from the magazine that disparaged the car the most and continually brings up reliability issues for the brand, even though that was an early-run car. I've worked on promos for many Stellantis brands. The day I did one for Alfa Romeo years ago and got to drive the Giulia and Stelvio QV's on canyon roads in Monterey, CA was when I fell in love with them for being "Driver's Cars" without too many electronic distractions. Having done driving experiences with BMW M2.'s M3's, M4's and Porsches and Audis , I recognized immediately the difference with the Giulia QV and how it fit me like a glove. Moreover, the customers coming to drive them were all showing up in Ferraris, Lamborghinis, McLarens and Porsches and they all raved about the driving experience for this small 4-door sedan. At a later event for Motor Trend, I introduced myself to Larry Dominique, the VP of Alfa North America, and relayed the sense of driving passion from myself and the participants. He told me they knew it would be a challenge to retain that driving excitement with the new EV / Emissions mandates. And unfortunately, as you pointed out, Stellantis execs are turning away from the enthusiasts that bought their products, including all of the Dodge Hellcats. At present, they are not even going to Car Shows to promote them, affecting everyone in the industry.
I also live in Los Angeles where there are areas near me around Elon Muskville (Spacex , Starlink , Manhattan Beach and El Segundo} where you will literally see 1 of every 3 or 4 cars being a Tesla (or Rivian or Lucid and now Fisker.) And many of those people can afford nice houses and faster charging. But the reality is that many people in Southern California live in apartments and have to park on the street, which means NO charging , regardless of the fact that we don't have the energy infrastructure to support everyone charging in the Summer and many rural areas having no charging infrastructure at all. Having also attended multiple commercial "green" vehicle shows, that argument actually makes more sense to convert buses and city trucks to electric and Hydrogen- Electric vehicles, rather than forcing it down every consumer's throat and destroying car culture and the repair industry in the process. Hopefully I can win the lottery and buy a QV and some other ICE cars before they no longer make them!
Thanks for posting here 👍
@@autofanaticcars Sure! One can still dream that we will hear something other than boring electric whirring noises. This is the same event I mentioned above. I'm curious if he would have the same outlook for the brand today.
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I own my second QV in Montreal green and I think its the best car I have owned.
Thank you for your knowledge
Good video. Realistic. I have signed the Giulia QV two weeks ago ;-)
good for you enjoy it
Thanks for great video Phil, so glad I bought my Stelvio Veloce last year.
In Australia the GTam's are now 3 times their original retail.
These large corporations are driven by profits naturally, but also by their social and environmental responsibility.
Corporate takeovers have ruined so many small businesses and companies like Alfa that want to do their own thing, to the detriment of the consumer.
Well done Phil😊
Thanks for watching and sharing your opinions on all of this with us
remember, is clear that Stellantis does not give a crap about AR market in US, I am disgusted how they are treating AR in the US. I got 2 Giulia so far and I was aiming to the Quad, but I am not "ready" yet.. so i have to hope someone will sell the used one in a couple of years..
TONALE was designed for the European market ONLY, in fact there sold very well, but the US got the HORNET, based on a precise Strategic decision, aimed to "save" Dodge and kill AR on the same market. Now they are pulling the QUAD from US, but NOT World wide, so is just another step to kill the US Market.
Keep in mind they cannot sell Quads in Italy, due to a massive Super Tax on any car with over 200HP, so, the only way you can sell Quads is elsewhere, like Germany, Switzerland and any other Country without the Super Tax. WHY Removing the US Market to me is a Mystery, because in US people CAN and WILL buy cars with 500 HP...
I am Italian 100%, born and raised in Rome, in the US since 2004, I grew up driving ALFA ROMEO in Italy, but hey.. let's be Honest, AR died with Marchionne just a few years ago...
Too bad. I loved my 2017 Quadrifoglio.
do you have electrical problems like they say andf all these other problems
Phil, already happening in the Uk, with hybrids. Mercedes 300e 6 years old hybrid, needs a new battery. Only company that can do it is Mercedes, £13k battery on a car worth £8k. Its nuts. Will not touch a hybrid either.
exactly the point i discussed in the video there is no secondary market for EV and due to the values dropping so much and the cost to maintain and replace the battery cells it is a losing proposition all around and these morons in Govt think this is saving our planet when it is actually worse for our planet when you consider how to recycle the EV components safely. It is a total sham they are trying hard to push but the public sees the BS and that is why nobody is buying them and all manufactures who put all their eggs in the EV basket are lostng millions and billions of dollars now.
Good episode Phil. I usually have something I disagree with you about. Not this one. Good perspective.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video Phil ! The push for these EV's has been crazy and like you I will not own one. Thanks again
You and me both!
Great video - totally agree. Sad to see an end of an era before our very eyes.
Glad you enjoyed it
Came here as soon as I seen it on your instagram story.
Pretty much on board with your take on the state of affairs. By the way, I’m in North Texes, formerly North Jersey, the electric power situation here is 1000 times better than California. I’m 75 and in a pretty good financial situation. I love enthusiast cars, however, not sure I’m prepared to spend $100,000 for my next car. Right now I think I’m committed to keeping my 2018 Mustang PP1 for the foreseeable future. It’s not a perfect car, but it just might be the perfect $50,000 performance car. 60,000 trouble free miles - everyday driver and great two person road trip car. No reason I can’t enjoy this car for five more years. Regarding government mandates, a great President once said, “The scariest words in the English language are, I’m from the government, and I’m here to help”. Keep the faith and Happy Motoring 🤠
I have this car in this color. On my sixth year of ownership. I will be keeping it forever. And I typically get rid of cars every few years.
Good on you Phil, been watching you for years, always enjoy your opinions.
I agree 100% ...
Much appreciated
Great video once again. Any idea when will other markets stop sales?
I am sure this will affect the global markets around the same time but maybe Europe runs production past April 24 and to the end of the year but I do not see it going past that.
That's really sad! I'd better make that trip to my local showroom soon!!!
I've waited for your views on this. Lemme watch
Take a look at how many taycans are on sale right now, used and new. Sure it's a highly sold car but theres tons sitting on lots right now. As a consumer why would you spend a premium on an electric car when it will be out of date next year? There's even that thing with the korean companies, hyundai kia genesis, slight undertray damage (where the battery sits) can total a car.
It's funny, last year was the Porsche 75th anniversary festival and at the experience center they were offering track rides in their cars: I got the GT car early but they sold out fast, and then went the caymans, turbos, maccans, and even on the day of they still had taycan spots because no one wanted to even passenger in one!
Exactly those Taycan look cool but $275k for a top version now on the second hand market there $160 thats proof that consumers simply don’t trust them long term people lease and dump but the used cars must go somewhere other than scrap yards. The vast independent shops can’t fix these cars so you’re also married to the dealer network
I'm very glad you made this video. The last I heard is that Alfa Romeo intends to move to full electrification in 2025, so we'd be 'lucky' if they retained a hybrid or two in their future lineup. It was going to be a similar situation for most manufacturers. The German marques have scaled back their EV roadmaps for at least the next few years. The lack of consumer interest combined with China's withholding of rare earths for export makes it impossible for the automotive industry to make a complete switchover in the near term. As you mentioned, there's also the lack of necessary electrical infrastructure and production to support so many EVs. Even if Alfa decides to maintain the ICE elimination plan we still have other prestige marques that will retain ICE models probably through to the end of this decade. I don't intend to buy an EV until there's no alternative and hope most people will do the same.
As I have been commenting in various videos on YT, this headlong push for ICE replacement with EVs is NOT about the environment. Anyone reading this please don't be fooled. Climate change as a result of increased carbon dioxide is a total lie if you look at unbiased research on the topic. Of course, that's what governments want us to believe in order to _justify_ the regulations being hoisted on manufacturers and citizens alike. They have no other believable rationale for such an extreme and abrupt transformation to our societies. If you look at the actual numbers you'll soon realize that what the governments are saying and what the reality is are radically different. There are not enough rare natural resources on the entire planet to satisfy a worldwide EV market even if you keep transport vehicles like semi fleets powered by ICE. China knows this and that's one of the reasons it's keeping these resources for their own industries.
There's no way other countries are unaware of this shortage, so why the mad rush to electrification? We've seen that California forced EV owners not to charge their vehicles when there was a strain on the electrical grid. This can happen anywhere and will when enough EVs place a critical demand on the grid, but I'm not hearing of a mad rush to construct more power-generating plants, do you? There isn't one because the intent is for a massive _reduction_ of available roadworthy vehicles in the future, not merely an EV-exclusive marketplace. My belief is that we are not heading into a future where there's no choice for the consumer to buy anything other than an EV. It's whether there will be _any_ new vehicles available for the common person. This topic is too broad and deep to discuss here. Search for 15-minute cities and what that means for everyone. The truth will be made evidently clear. It's all about the age-old struggle for *control* over populations by tyrannical means, nothing less and nothing more.
Thanks for posting as you obviously get what’s going on with the big EV scam of save environment yet all this did was enrich the old decrepit politicians pockets with funneling money back to them. They lie lie lie yet the media and followers believe everything without seeing the hard facts or data. Now look at the looses the entire automotive industry is facing due to their continued lies. People need to wake up and continue to reject buying these overpriced paperweights that are as obsolete in short term as your current smartphone
@naticcars Indeed, although I wish there was a simple solution to this problem. Governments and their puppet politicians are as compelled if not more so as the manufacturers. They're just higher up in the food chain because they hold legislative power and can coerce everyone below them. However, they're beholden to higher authorities such as supranational organizations like the WEF that are in turn mouthpieces of hidden powers wielded by a small number of elites who are the true policy makers. The EV controversy is only a part of a bigger picture that includes medical and financial transformations to society among others planned to take place in the not too distant future. It will be a grim outcome but only if we allow it.
YOU are Switched On James.
Nice to know we are not alone.
It's all part of THEIR agenda.
We are all just puppets. We are the nobodies. THEY call us, 'the useless eaters'.
The '1%' Rule the world.
The Devil is REAL.
God is REAL.
''For MANY are called, but FEW are chosen''. Matt.22:14 (KJV version)
Which year of Alfa shall I buy ? And with what speck
I got my ‘23 Giulia Quadrifoglio just in time for a click under $70K…the only option I cared about was the color (Etna Rosso)…and the engine ☺️. But I did have to have it shipped from Southern California.
BTW, your splash guards fit perfectly. I’ll be following the channel closely.
Thnx!
great to hear, enjoy it
@@autofanaticcars trying to find the splash guards and the transmission release tool on the autofanatics shop page but the website isn't working. Just became the owner of a 2019 QV with low miles! Excited as I have been searching for one for a long time!
If Hertz is dumping EVs then nothing else needs to be said
exactly look up the articles on the millions of dollars HERTZ lost over this bad decision they made that they felt it was smarter to take the loss and move on. There truly is no secondary market for an EV and this is a critical component for the EV push failure. the market is imploding there are hundreds of other videos highlighting this.
Politicians know jack shit i agree 100% Phil .
A lot of good points, well said!
Thank you for this video. Ive been calling this out for at least five years now. I think if this EV trend was that serious and more efficent like they say, Plaza, Airports and even some flagship gas stations would have more than the few chargers whan were seeing installed now.
without infrastructure and a secondary market the EV push is a complete failure by stupid government officials who have no grasp on reality. With EV values tanking 50% so quickly and fears of anyone buying a preowned EV with depleted batteries consumer confidence is nil and will continue to reject this nonsense. All it did was cost automakers billions of dollars in losses with forced mandates and the production of EV and Hybrid cars the general public refused to buy. The only ones who gained are these old half dead politicians who enforced and created this failing agenda. When China does it first then we can talk but North America and Europe are seeing the results of this failure right in front of our eyes, you can not object to the numbers and facts already out there. Let's not forget how the deep freeze of winter basically made EV inoperable on our roads a few short months ago.
The qv just sounds PHENOMENAL ❤
Im looking for a second hand QV. Which year do you recommend and why?
second hand QV go for any year after 2020 the reason is that after the 2019 model they changed the infotainment system in a big way! added touch screen…
Not sure the world will ever be ready.
Another factor here too related to EVs is the vulnerability of power grids to interruption and cyber attack.
good point since they can use the GPS to lock on the cars to take over
Love the contents. What your opinion on the reliability of the GIULIA QV ? Did you have any major engine, transmission issues
My 2018 was a nightmare because dealer’s broke the car over over watch my videos on all my QV on channel youll get a good idea of owning one
@@autofanaticcars I have owned the 2018 Guilin QV, love the driving experience, the steering is telepathic. So far I have had to replace my alternator and some wiring issues, hence why I’m asking about long term ownership.
Thinking about getting one 🤔 doing my research. Big Alfista guy . I want the last of the Mohegans...
try to find one now there wont be many produced for 2024
I am on the process to get thé 2024 QV ! I will keep it for next générations ✌️ Souvenirs
I have one! You won’t be disappointed! ❤
AR Giulia QV is the most beautiful cat in the world
Just yesterday the Government eased up on the regulations for a bit longer,so hopefully Alfa Romeo will also change their minds about the QV models.
i think the corporate bozos already finalized these decisions so not much hope to save it now.
The writing was on the wall. I planned for this doom and gloom and bought 3 new vehicles that should out live me. A V8 SUV, a flat six rwd manual transmission, and a 4 cylinder daily all naturally aspirated.
yeah once 2020 hit and the entire car market went into crisis mode I saw this happening relatively quickly and I was right.
Same here, got a AMG V8biturbo SUV, got NA V8 Shelby and twin turbo V6 Alfa, plan to keep these for a long while
@@raptor2126 Nice cars!
What exhaust mods do your red qv have. Thanks in advance.
our Auto Fanatic stainless resonator delete kit, visit our website to learn more and other videos on the channel as well for sound clips
I already have it lol. I love it but mine is a 2018
What a epic intro
One of your best posts yet. Thanks. I agree with everything. I didn’t know that the Tonale wasn’t selling. I wonder if Dodgers is having the same problem with the Hornet, because I think it’s better looking for about $5k less. I hope the EV market flops, and Alfa goes back to internal combustion. Until then, I’ll be coveting my ’23 QV- hoping that it’s value rises as they become harder to acquire.
I have yet to see. Hornet in the NYC area so definitely not selling like the Tonale i think manufacturers got screwed and now in the red with loses of cars nobody’s buying
Would you switch a 2019 QV for a newer model? Or you would just keep it for good? Mine has yellow calipers and carbon fiber roof
Only if you want different colors and a smoother quieter cabin of a newer model plus warranty
What makes it smoother and quieter?@@autofanaticcars
I'm in my first year of ME degree, my dream was getting a Giulia QV asap after starting to work. Shame. QV owners treat your beautys good please.
This is gonna be an investment car of the future!
I'm trying to get my hands on a QV with certain specs for the longest but now I understand, and this EV is killing the vibe of enjoying the rev an engine hitting high rpm
What is your opinion on the 992 911 Turbo S? I have a chance to spec one with delivery some time over the summer.
You haven’t heard about the massive delay on all Porsche 911 stuck at ports for months now? Rumors are adm are going to be sky high and a Turbo S around $450k
@@autofanaticcars I had heard something about that on a car forum but not much. I think it had something to do with a chip that they restricted for the US.
@@mxtv1258 What chip is this and who restricted it?
@@mxtv1258Yeah looks like Porsche used either Chinese or Belarusian chips in one of their ECU's or other main modules. Either way the chips were restricted from either of these countries in the US due to the US Sanctions on certain trade items from these nations. Now Porsche has to scramble and source non-sanctioned supplied chips and replace them in port. However it seems like it's just a delay, Porsche doesn't plan on re-routing any vehicles meant for the US market to any other markets...so the overall supply of vehicles won't be affected. Just an annoying delay, along with the fact that these are new cars that are now going to be opened up and worked on in a rush.
It would be great if Alfa produced a special last version of the quadrifoglio before they discontinue it: manual gearbox, some special exterior colours and interior design elements, CCB, yellow calipers, exposed carbon roof. I would get one immediately.
That would be cool but with slow sales and corporate politics controlling what goes on it will never happen. Just wait and see when Alfa as brand goes extinct because they produced a EV cars and are sitting on lots in boatload quantities like their new Tonale SUV that nobody is buying. Consumers are reacting exactly how I anticipated they would now lets see how these automakers get themselves out of EV debt crisis they are all in.
@@autofanaticcars problem with the Tonale is that it’s too expensive. Should be priced like a RAV or CRV. Anyway, let’s enjoy our quadrifoglios while they’re still around.
Its the opposite what I would do if I was in charge of Alfa. I would keep this petrol line up as long as possible because while everyone switched to evs Alfa could have found itself in the perfect position. The only manufacture making cars for petrol heads. Their sales would have been epic
I agree 100%. Plus the dealer network is terrible. 2 out of the 4 dealers near me closed. Between the brand hell bent on all electric by 2025 and closing dealership I sort of feel abandoned by the brand. The 2024 GT63 is looking pretty good right about now
yeah Alfa dealers closed by me as well which does suck but I try to do most everything myself on the car to make it not so bad. The AMG GT63 is a Monster if you can get it I say go for it, I love my AMG GTR in Green Hell it is featured on this channel as well.
After 24 minutes, I listen to you easy to say less change the government 🤷🏻♂️❤️🇧🇬
Biggest problem worldwide is Govt!
@@autofanaticcars Yes 🤝
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Always said I will never buy a EV crap. I rather use a horse lol. Got myself a beautiful Nring Stelvio QV gonna hold to it for a looong time if this continues
best choice keep what you have because these new cars all suck these days.
Alpha Romeo or other exotic companies, think they can sell their cars without an ICE engine, great exhaust sound, and soul noppeeee.
Once if all EV thing happens I will take a toyota, lexus, Honda PERIOD.
Why do you spell Alfa as Alpha? Don’t blame it on typo or autocorrect as you could just check your comment before posting it.
Spot on. It will be just another washing machine on wheels. I'll stick to the classic Alfas.
Been waiting to get your take on this. Terrible decision. But that’s why I’m moving forward on my 24 QV post haste!
Go for it now or never at least we will continue to enjoy our drives
Agree 100% with you
thanks for watching and sharing your opinions with us here
19:25 YUP!!
Feel the same way about my Maserati levante trofeo. Last year of the awesome Ferrari based V8 and analog gauges and real buttons. Not looking forward to this new digital everything / ev market...
So true!! Love Alfa Romeo, I have a 2018 4C :)
4C is a very special car enjoy it i plan to grab one eventually
I had a nightmare experience with my 2019 QV. But I've been considering giving it another chance. Might pick up a 23 or order a 24.
i don't think your nightmare was worse than mine with my 2018 which I chronicled on this channel with water damage the car shutting down on the highway when i hit bumps, it was possessed it got to the point I had to get rid of it for safety reasons and got the G80 M3 to hold me over but went back to the QV as i like it better. The biggest issue are the inexperienced techs at Alfa dealers who break things and make matters worse. My 2023 is great so far only issue my OEM battery went bad but I replaced it with an Interstate and it is all good.
@@autofanaticcarsI remember the videos. But yes that's a nightmare. Mine was more logistical. Waited 4 months for a new engine. Then the dealer damaged my bumper and had it resprayed without my permission at some junk body shop they chose. Anyway, glad the 2023 is treating you well. I want to buy another QV but my turnoff is the local Alfa dealer, not so much the car.
Totally agree.
Are you also going to review the Maserati MC20 and the Maserati Granturismo, new model?
It will live on in Europe till 2025. The engine will live on too they have said. Uk dealers are still trying to move the pre LED headlight models with only 1 new LED light model on sale at a dealer i can see. You can still order all the carbon bits, roof, seats and mirrors erc in the Uk. The painted carbon roof was quietly replaced with a steel one. The owners of the group are run by accountants and it shows.
exactly
Damn now the price for a used one will go up.
Who really wants a EV?
kids all over Tik tok want EV ha ha ha
Regarding the direction Alfa is heading: Alfa-Romeo equals Stellantis………that’s all you need to know😅
exactly the corporate infrastructure is destroying not only Alfa but Maserati with bad decisions for the North American markets with these new EV designated products, nobody is buying them proves the facts outlined in my video. When brands take massive losses nothing good will come from this long term.
Cool video. Formula 1 lost its main appeal when they went hybrid - we lost the screaming engines. Love your points about the engine being the heart and soul of performance cars.
Glad you enjoyed it! I don’t even watch F1 anymore i miss the old awesome 80s and 90s F1 races screaming
There was a case just a few weeks ago that the Hyundai ionic6 the battery went bad in a car and the cost was 60k to replace it. The shit was more then what the car cost 🤔
Thanks for sharing the honest truth of this EV scam!
@@autofanaticcars You’re welcome, love the content!
The Giulia Q is my dream car, i dont like this all electric agenda but ppl will realize eventually.
Now our Quadrifoglios worth a lot more.
I don't want to drive no dang refridgerator!!
I agree with you 100% Phil and what a great timely video exposing the truths about these idiot politicians pushing this EV market! Last week I posted on another site who focuses on Alfa's & Maserati's and reported this news, what a sad day for Italy who has beautified the world with it's amazing automotive engineering and design. I also said, I would never buy another Giulia again as an EV version.
It’s a shame how all automakers got roped and forced into this EV agenda now there all seeing massive losses and are in trouble. Government is the destruction of our modern times
When I found out about this a few days ago it genuinely ruined my day. I absolutely love my 2017 Ti, and the QV is definitely the end goal. I just hope by the time I can get one they haven’t gone through the roof!
Stellantis really has no understanding of the market for these brands. No Alfisti wants a full electric rebadged PSA car, especially at the prices they want. I drove a Tonale and it was more fun than I expected, but not for mid 50s! I’ll take the Stelvio any day of the week
The issue with the Tonale failure is they tried to use this bogus $7500 BS tax credit to lure in potential buyers however the tax credit goes back to the manufacture not the buyer or one who leases the car which makes the payments sky high for a sub compact hybrid SUV. the Stelvio is far better in every way let alone value. Another corporate mistake as they wait for a Govt bailout to get these Tonales off dealers lots. As they continue on the EV push that will never work long term or on a larger scale because consumers are not buying into the BS and the market proves that now.
Should we avoid the 2019s as well?
Manufacturers keep spitting out $50-60-70-80k++ EVs. Just make a cheap, 200hp EV with 300 miles of range for 20-30k...they have proven they can be great for simple A-B transportation for the majority of people. Not everyone needs a 500+hp EV, and some people probably shouldnt have that kind of speed
But they need to fix:
1. Charging, too many vendors, standards, unreliable rates. Just pick a standard.
2. Battery degradation/recycling. Battery swapping would fix this. Again, there needs to be a standard format like AA, AAA batteries..make battery swapping easy. Third parties take care of charging depleted batteries and recycling. This could also repurpose existing gas stations/infrastructure
One ICE engine block can theoretically be infinitely recyclable...it can be melted down and re-cast when its no longer rebuildable. when people are just consuming and tossing depleted EVs, which is actually better for the environment?
The EV industry will be stuck unless all manufacturers can agree on a way forward. Tesla holds a monopoly, but manufacturers are reluctant to give in to them.
Totally agree with everything you say, especially with regard to investment in dealerships and after sales service. RIP the Giulia and Alfa Romeo .
Was with a new client today who owns car dealerships for 35 years he said it’s the biggest scam and dealerships have a very hard time taking in EV trades because of the low erratic secondary market values and low consumer demand for a second hand EV
I think Phil you will see the hurricane high output in the guilia in the future the one that’s going in the charger as the new charger is based on the gorgio platform so that’s a possibility
They can keep it im
Not interested in buying a paper weight I can’t fix myself long term. All new cars are doomed and older cars are going to climb In collectible values very soon from 2011-2020 models
I don't believe the Charger EV is based on the Gorgio platform, plus the Hurricane 6 most likely wouldn't fit in the Giulia/Stelvio.
I hope we are ready for brownouts and blackouts if every vehicle goes electric.
Nice to see the ALFA ROMEOs on Piazza Pretoria and the fountain of shame in my hometown.
As a Giulia Quadrifoglio owner myself, how exactly do you think this will affect resale value in the next 4-6 years? Will these cars be worth significantly more than we see on the used car market today? Or will they just hold value slightly better? Great video!
I think the values should remain steady from here on out
You’re right, they want waaaaaay too much money for the new Maserati MC20 and Granturismo. Especially since the Granturismo is an updated model of its predecessor. I don’t understand having a 2+2 Coupe in the lineup along with 2 SUVS and a Sedan.
the corporate fools running these brands are clueless why have an old Levante and then introduce the Grecale SUV and sell both when they are in the same class almost. The new Granturismo is an awesome car *uses the Girogio chassis from the Alfa Romeo QV, I drove a Trofeo version but immediately said nobody is going to buy a daily driver Maserati for $250k with bad resale and poor brand experience from their crappier earlier models. The Ghibli was such a bad mistake for the brands recognition and this is most likely why supercar buyers rather buy a Huracan or Mclaren versus the MC20 they out priced the car from the get go and dug a hole for themselves now and cant sell the MC20 or Grantuismo. Both are their best cars ever created to date it is such a shame seeing them flop like this.
Toyota kept saying we are not ready for full electrification and that third world countries don't even have the capacity for a electric car. But everyone was giving them shit for not getting into the wagon of the ev push. We should be focusing on evs and slowly transitioning once the infrastructure could meet the demand for the future. I don't remember the specific article that toyota mentioned. But it said we can have smaller hybrid batteries in more vehicles then putting them in a full ev vehicle. The drive article somewhat helps with what Iam trying to say. "What’s the best use of a limited battery supply? Do we spread those materials across a bunch of hybrids, or cram them into a few EVs"
Every car manufacturer was forced into this trend and their loosing stupid amounts of money I almost think these morons in government are doing this on purpose to hurt the global economy who really knows but the lack of infrastructure couldn’t be more obvious now
@@autofanaticcars there are 2 main agendas right now: the WOKE and the anti-WOKE. The WOKE idiots push EVs, transgenders and other abominations (Democrats mainly). The anti-WOKE camp is rather mixed with various lobbyists in the Republican party. Either way, modern capitalism is very complex but crashes and crises are inevitable and at some point a "reset" is needed. We just need to see if this means WW3 will start or just a larger scale 2008.
I don’t c much infrastructure in here either
Plug-in hybrids or hybrids are the way.
All-electric won’t work for the masses. The reality is that we need all of the above, but as Phil stated, politicians are too clueless to provide a nuanced solution, and the general public is equally checked out.
It's sad that they're doing this and if they ever go all electric I will never again buy another Alfa Romeo
Same for me
Why do you consider electronic diff better than mechanical?
watch my snow video on my 23QV few weeks back, the way the newer cars are programmed the E diff works incredible unlike the earlier QV i had. Nothing wrong with a mechanical diff but it is a cost cutting change they made obviously as they phased the model out.
So what about the standard Alfa Romeo Giulia? Will they still keep making those or will they stop making them as well??
From what I understand, most of the petrol/ diesel models are due to end at some point next year. Alfa have committed to pure electric from 2027
@@tino5801 Thanks for the info brother💯
Whyyy oh whyyy I still haven't gotten around to buying one :(((
There only going up in value and good ones are very hard to find. Now guys are buying cars needing full restoration in the 55-75k range the really good ones are 225-275k or more depending on spec miles and condition where as the 89 models are more valuable currently
honestly, if Alfa simply added an electric motor to the 2.9l turbocharged v6 it would've had better MPG, gained the eco-marketing, and more power. I think it could have been a win-win, the only downside I could see would be the servicing long term, but depending on how they did it too there could've been govt discounts depending on where you got from, Rip to the Quadrifoglio, love the content
Supercars are doing cool hybrid things on their cars but long term will be a catastrophic repair to fix making them a very tough sell second hand. Alfa had enough issues without adding hybrid with their electronics and bad batteries
The QV weighs enough without hybrid powertrain and battery. Performance would not be as balanced.
Hybrid sport cars are terrible though bc once the battery is dead you are just pulling dead weight
That wouldn't work because the 2.9l powerplant still produces over 240g/km of CO2. That's how they're targeting the ICE engines. By legislating away their ability to emit CO2.
Stellantis is making the same mistake as Fiat. We buy alfa romeos not because they are the cheapest, or best mpg or most reliable cars in the market. Why make them into (expensive )consumer disposable? Just look at the passion of old alfa being restored n kept around the world.
My QV is a keeper, 3 years in, still deeply in love. I am not interested if they made it with 3000bhp, keep your electric nonsense.
Never understood the push to EV's not having a better lead from the government, as without infrastructure it's impossible to push out there. The headache with the rush to EV's by the manufacturers was they effectively stopped development of the ICE product lines. Seriously debating if I by a 2023 Giulia QV as I can still find them new for about 10k under MSRP in the midwest, just not sold on how far I am from service (90 minutes), and RWD in WI. On the verge of ordering a new 2025 M440i for a daily, but it's more then a 23 QV. I wouldn't touch a 2024 at all though, it's a one year model year with new lighting/dash, you have 0 shot of buying parts long term.
I've had e46 M3, C6 Z06, C7 stingray, e92 comp m3, F87 M2C, Giulia TI, GTI, and have tracked G80 M3/4 comps...(thermal club). I liked the M2C, liked the G80 on the track...but I when I drive my buddy's modern z4 and G82 4 banger I cannot stand the steering. I understand apples to oranges but if the steering is the same in the G80 (again, only driven on track) I'm out on BMW. How would you compare the steering feel of the Quad vs the G8X M? Or even against the F87 M2C if you've driven one...
funny one of the complaints on my G80 M3 RWD was the steering was too light and no feel even after I did mods to the caster arms and bushings it did not help. The X Drive does feel a touch heavier and better in my opnion but thats if you want a heavier AWD model. BMW took a 180 turn from the heavy fake steering of the F80 M3 and I think they tried to sorta copy the Alfa QV in a sense but the front suspension architecture on the BMW is a Macpherson strut design where as the Alfa is a double wishbone multi link and they feel so different. I love the steering on the Alfa QV one of the best youll ever get from an EPS system on a modern car today besides Porsche and Mclaren.
@@autofanaticcars Similar to what I’ve heard, other than modern Porsche or maybe the Emira (albeit still hydraulic) it’s up there with the best. Just simple freeway driving with the G80 felt like the steering wheel was connected to nothing. I wanted to get the last manual M3, perhaps ever, once they release the LCI but I’m just not feeling it. That of course leads you to 992 Carrera T but with must have options you’re at 130k and a wait list. Maybe the 24 Giulia is the way to go…or off the left field back to my days of Italian lightweight, manual, NA high revving engines…but with two wheels and from Bologna.
I had the G80 M3 Manual for 11 months check my channel for the content, great built and engineered car but it was too large for me, I hated the gearbox feel too rubbery and mine had the torture carbon buckets which was a huge mistake on a daily. the Porsche is the one to get if you can get an allocation and a fair price but the P cars are hammering so much above MSRP still it might not be worth the effort spending that much more, the QV is a steal for the money and the sum of the parts that went into the QV and the engineering is really special once you learn more about it. I suggest you go find one to test drive you might fall in love with it. got my eye on an Emira myself if I can get one I will but this is another car that seems impossible to get still
@@autofanaticcars Good advice, and I’ll check out your M3 video for sure. Thanks man. Engaging cars are definitely becoming more and more rare, to your point. The only silver lining is that the market shows there’s still a lot of demand for other engaging cars, even if Giulia sales don’t reflect that. If they just threw a crazy 100k powertrain warranty in there like the Korean brands did to get people over the perception, I think that would have helped volume.
I've hated the push for EV's for as long as it's been going on. Which is also why I jumped on the opportunity to by my 2023 Honda Civic Type-R for a good deal at the time when they first came out. I wanted a solidly built gas engine platform for my daily that's simple to maintain, and will last me forever if well maintained. What's hilarious are some of the used prices on these EV's...just look at the Porsche Taycan that's 3-4 years old. You can get them for 100K less used than their MSRP when new. Thats a 50%+ loss in value in just a couple of years. Meanwhile my Type-R will either stay close to the same or go up in value. The EV market is a total scam, in every way possible. They're not better cars, they're not better value, they don't last, they create more waste, cost the tax payers money for the subsidies, and they're not better for the environment (often far worse than gas engine vehicles). Total Scam. If the tech was so wonderful, the market would convert to it naturally, you wouldn't need subsidies and strict regulations to force it on people. The worst part is the people responsible for destroying our lives will never pay the price for their failures. Regular people will and do carry that burden instead.
Exactly
Great vid! I feel you're so correct about the influence of government. They have an agenda and it appears to be based on donors and the what they want in return for the money they give
In The UK health and safety rules, dictate that damaged EVs must be "quarantined" before assessment, and stored 15 meters clear of other cars and buildings, owning to the volatility of their batteries. This means that a forecourt where 100 ICEs chilled in safety, only 2 EVs can be stored.
The whole thing is mad. The only real winners are the Chinese who own 70% of EV specific supply chain and produce these milk floats with huge subsidies.
Regarding QVs, we will still have them in Europe. I'm rocking 2010 AlfaRomeo 159 1.75TB Ti, and I will keep her forever. I'm also looking for a reasonably priced 2020/22 Giulia QV.
Awesome job, cheers.
Thanks for sharing your opinion from across the pond. Biggest scam ever is this EV utopia that won’t happen in our lifetime
no sunroof on your QV hard to tell from the video ?
They don’t come with sunroof full carbon fiber roof