THE NEW ORDER OF THE GOLDEN IDOL!
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- The Case of the Golden Idol Part 5 - a strong and satisfying conclusion to a great puzzle game. First puzzle game in a while that's truly left me wanting more.
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**VIDEO SPOILERS BELOW**
The Case of the Golden Idol Review, starting with what I liked:
- Finally, a detective game that doesn’t require pixel hunting or moon logic! Every discovery and inference made comes from a point of sound and undeniable logic. This is considerably impressive since most of the deductions aren’t handed to you. I particularly loved when thinking about the story’s development actually led to finding answers.
- The story fit the game incredibly well, and I liked how the chapters tied into one another. The murders and deaths surrounding the Golden Idol felt organic and logical (no offense to the dead people). A lesser game would have included some less interesting scenes with deaths that didn’t relate to the bigger picture just to pad the playtime.
- The twists in this game were well-deserved and clever. The best twist is one that an incredibly astute observer can pick up on beforehand, but realizing it doesn’t ruin it. Just because people don’t know it’s coming doesn’t mean it’s bad. Often, it means the opposite.
- I’m a sucker for a game with no filler, and this game delivered in all aspects.
- The art style was unique and fit the gameplay perfectly. Too bad the art looks terrible when you try to make a thumbnail out of it.
- The music and cutscenes were top notch as well. Overall, a great immersive experience.
What I didn’t like:
- While the game did absolutely nothing wrong, it also didn’t have exceptionally high peaks either. Everything it did, it did right, but it also seemed to play it safe. This feels like the perfect baseline for an all-time great detective game.
Overall Rating: 9/10 (Excellent)
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something id add personally is that if you go back to previous levels, you can see more pieces that you might not have had context for before, like the proudbeast mask and steward robe in sebastian cloudsley's room in the first non-tutorial level. it all starts to fit together better and you can figure it out early if you review your clues.
imo the most interesting part of the art design for this game is how the Idol is uniquely "3D" and detailed in its presentation, compared to everything else in the game. Really helps to emphasize its otherworldly power and significance.
@@EyeOfDiamonds The video was probably published 2 days ago, but he left it unlisted/privated until today to maintain a consistent upload schedule with diverse content
Since you liked this game and played Papers, Please. I feel like Return of the Obra Dinn would be right up your alley.
I love how amongst all of the winding story threads and constant betrayals the new order gets accidentally taken down by a drunk idiot with a cannon.
Order's elemental weakness IS Chaos, it checks out
Excuse me! Drunk *gambling* idiot with a cannon, thank you.
A cannon that was won by _gambling_
The New Order was founded on luck and destroyed by luck.
@@thepizzaman8064 I'm pretty sure only having the cannon due to gambling makes it a +1 Cannon of Chaos and thus even more effective
I've seen some people saying that the ending was a bit weak and forced, but personally I find it to be perfect: Edmund Cloudsley had all his talk of virtues, but he too couldn't uphold his ideology, and thinking himself unstoppable due to the golden idol met his demise at the hands of a drunk idiot, who won a cannon trough gambling, the very habit he had chastised him for all those years ago. It is truly an ironic death, for all his delusions of control and power he couldn't possibly have prepared for such a situation. Without the idols power the order collapsed, because it was formed by the religious cult who viewed it as a divine object, and so without it had no conviction in wath they preached (even tough it was never divine to begin with, just a tool, we even learn in the end that it was made of brass all along, not gold).
Technically its Gilded Brass, so there is gold as a nice shiny coating on the idol but most of it is indeed brass
I appreciate how full-circle Edmund's story ended up being. He wrote this big manifesto about how Lemurians lost power because they wanted pleasure rather than seeking virtue, and in the end the same happened to him. If he had focused on his political campaign he probably would have succeeded, but instead he changed course to try to kidnap Mary, and ended up dying as a result.
He was also bested by a "simple," hedonistic dumbass with a cannon. He saw the idol as all-powerful, yet really, it's incredibly limited. It's just a machine - And for all that he chastized the Lemurians for forgetting how to make and operate their machinery, he couldn't have made a new Idol even if he'd survived that blast.
Doesn't matter how many years of youth you have, your bones can still be ouched.
@@Woodledude I’m also now just realizing that the idol was never golden, but brass with what that shopkeep said in the final cutscene. Pushes the idea that it was just a tool and never really anything sacred like Edmund thought. Brings down his idea of “Divine Providence” even more.
@@mrdeblob6010 Well, the pawn broker claimed it was gilded brass, so it would have been golden until it was damaged enough to remove the gilding. But you can also argue that the "pawn broker" could have been a black market fence as Koch would be trying to hide his connections with the order party so he doesn't get lynched. In which case the fence could easily just have claimed it was gilded brass to get a solid gold statuette for a fraction of its value. Either way, Koch doesn't look too happy about it.
Fitting how Edmund Cloudsley named himself Lazarus after his alleged death, referring to the biblical Lazarus of Bethany, who came back to life four days after his death
I feel like if the story was 5% more convoluted it could've been too involved, but they really struck a good balance of keeping the story interesting and hiding the twists while still having it be reasonable to expect that the average person could piece everything together.
Yeah games with plot twists in them much like movies with plot twists are best when upon second viewing or subsequent playthroughs you can actually spot clues that the twist was coming and those Clues are things that you might not have noticed if you weren't looking for them the first time thus you might miss the clues the first time and be caught off guard by The Twist however because of the clues hidden throughout it didn't feel like it came out of nowhere
Lazarus could have gotten to the King and the Order Party could have wrested control of the entire British Empire, but even he couldn't live up to that damned First Virtue.
Stupid horny people. The bane of all good there is to be.
Oh the irony those who impart virtues unto others very rarely follow them
Albion Empire*. We also call the france knock off Aquitaine. More on topic, I loved that Edmund Cloudsley was a hypocrite regarding Mary. It's different when he has the emotions and the best way to give Lazarus something he wants.
@@lagg1e yeah that's the hilarious irony of it those in power very rarely follow the rules that they enforce on their subjects
31:32
I love how the manifesto says "all citizens are equal" then goes to say "citizens must be evaluated according to how virtuous they are", and just in case you missed it adds a little "a society with internal contradictions is unsustainable". Brilliant.
Tyler never finds it, but outside the window in the epilogue you can see that Edmund had used the idol to drain the youth of a disabled and impoverished veteran to have enough to become Lazarus. For someone that idolises the colonies, you would think that he would hold a veteran of Albion's armies as a very virtuous person, but it's just more proof that his 'ideal society' was just window-dressing for his plan to keep himself and his cronies immortal.
Well, at that time, he's actually in hiding in _Aquitania_ (his world's France) after having captured Keene after the whole scarecrow ambush fiasco at his cabin. If relations between Albion and Aquitania are anything like in our world, he may not be as concerned with taking the few remaining years of an impoverished _Aquitanian_ veteran, particularly if it means beginning his grand plan of establishing his ever-so-wonderful Virtue-based Albionese society.
Personally, I think Edmund _was_ 99% sincere about wanting to build a stronger, more orderly and virtuous society, it's just that his love for Mary and his hatred for his nephew, who he saw as a stupid, hedonistic spendthrift who didn't deserve her or his comfortable life, were his Achilles' heels.
@@Anastas1786 if he was sincere simply being in the party wouldn't have been worth 10 merits. What's so virtuous about giving Edmund a mansion that's worth 200 years of other people's lives (or as credit for breaking virtues)? Did anyone ever get positive merits for following the virtues? Seems like being friends with Edmund, helping him and Giving him stuff are the only ways to actually get years back.
@@Anastas1786 The man literally killed a kid for crying while his goons were interrogating him. Gideon Bell was an innocent man who Cloudsley made an example of simply because he was related to the King. He rewards people for giving material goods to him, gives to his cronies, and hurts tons of innocents along the way. Ultimately his ideal society is just finding excuses to take from the common folk and give to himself. Even the very start of his new "virtuous" empire was poisoned, based on theft, murder, and lies.
Maybe he had ideals in his heart but he never lived up to them, even briefly.
@@Anastas1786I love how at the end you started to speak like the time period "stupid hedonistic spendthrift"
Home defense with a cannon...
*just as the founding fathers intended*
Tally ho, lads!
The founding fathers of...the United Kingdom? :D
@@blackbot7113 they're from there, yes.
(shut up roll with it)
Where’s the copypasta when you need it?
TALLY HO LADS!!!
While I was watching your series, I kept discovering more clues to the future secrets of the other cases. REALLY love how each person remains very consistent in character throughout the game, despite so little dialogue.
"I would fight a tiger for you and win!" - Lazarus Hearst was a Proudbeast...
The perfect end for the most blockheaded characters, in the end, they all got what they deserved.
Imagine not being a part of the order of the golden idol
imagine
imagine
Imagine getting shot by a cannon that a drunkard won by gambling
@@reinbeers5322 couldnt be me
This is definitely my favorite series this channel has ever had, while short I loved seeing where the story went and how the murders were solved. So sad to see it end but at least it ended on such a grand case as the final level (not counting the epilogue)
The ending amused me and got me to smile that the whole party and the all powerful golden idol was taken down by an idiot. But it felt forced I feel an internal dispute leading to the death of Lazarus would have been more interesting like James and Alastair fight over the idol and knock Lazarus off a balcony with the idol breaking it for good proving the party was never as grounded as it seemed and Lazarus's ambitions made him ignorant of the internal disputes
Mmmmm yeah, but I like this ending. It’s a two way end for Edmund. Not only did breaking the first virtue get him killed he also made the same mistake the people he criticized did. The moment Lazarus dies, everything just falls apart, Alistair and James fight for an idol that’s broken because they were never even told how it works. Shows how little the brotherhood were actually grounded or connected like that. It’s also really funny that after all his schemes and lies Edmund meets his end by someone literally almost everyone thought was an idiot, because he just got lucky at gambling.
oh my fucking god i just realized, remember the little book of aphorisms that was given to peter battley wayyy back in chapter 3? those almost all line up with edmund's "four virtues"
"dont waste your time on trivialities": temperance
"dont shrink from responsibility": diligence
"take a walk in the forest": beauty (after all, the "beauty of nature" is something people talk about a lot)
the ones that dont line up are truth and "just don't be scared 4head", but considering Sebastian was in a secret cult, "truth" as a virtue likely came from Edmund being pissed when he found out
"What are you gonna do, win at a card game to weirdly advance the plot?" He says 6 months before the dlc comes out.
Even in this one, the cannon that does Edmund in was won in cards.
Time for an Aliensrock playthrough of the Nancy Drew games
I really grew to love this game and your series on it. While I wasn't too engaged by the demo, the twist and turns present in the full game kept me on the edge of my seat! This series will absolutely become a must watch for anyone new to your channel, much like Inscryption.
New order: "Everything is fine. Welcome to the good place."
It was a fun journey to watch, but I feel like the ending was alike to a whimper more than a cannon blast.
Yeah. The final scenes with their all those deaths didn't feel like as much of a bang as a lot of the other scenes in the game. And I think it wrapped everything up way too quickly. Like, the *entire* order crumbles all over an internally-driven assassination and a drunk member with a ship cannon he got from gambling at an inn trying to get a girl?
And we don't even get to see the cannon shot! Just the aftermath!
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like earlier in the game, that scene with the exploding vase was pretty sick, so we know they couldve done it. that wouldve been an awesome way to end it
I know the whole idea is the cyclical nature that edmund goes through in the story, but all i really care about is the fact that David Gorran had been a total bro since the very beginning.
Loved this series. Excited for whatever new games you have in the woodworks. Keep up the great work!
Been loving this series!
Noooo the review. That means it the end of a series. I am now sad that there is no more idol made out of gold
I love this game and am so glad that you finished it. Probably one of my favorite detective games I’ve seen, though I haven’t seen many
Really feels like I finished one of those Sherlock Holmes novels! What a pleasant experience and it brings me back...
Edmond Cloudsley is a Nice Guy.
Not a nice guy, but a “Nice Guy”
A very entertaining series, one of my favourites
Really enjoyed this series. It was a right in your logic deduction wheelhouse yet felt very unique to the channel.
What a fun series! Some video spoilers below:
So when David Gorren died, the inside of the cabin had two bullet holes, not because of Keene's gun, but because Gorren tried to shoot what he assumed was Keene inside with his dual pistols. Same ol strawman got him tho.
The payoff of Peter Battleg being a proflific gambler leading to him winning a cannon.
And of course, the irony that Edmund claimed to be the most virtuous man, yet broke his greatest virtue lusting over his former wife, leading to him getting killed and his society perishing.
Not even former wife, just a woman he had loved but didn't pursue because he had to fake his death and then got mad when the woman moved on from him. Not to mention Edmund was WAYYY older when he was flirting at/pursuing Mary, so definitely not virtuous.
@@Kingnaruto16fanhe tried to pursue her before(at the dinner where Rose Cubert died), but his advanced age and just generally being prick made him undesirable, meanwhile Peter bribed Edmunds servant to sit next to Mary at the dinner and sent her funny little romantic notes which she liked.
Really nice series! I would love some more Dredge next
GOLDEN IDOL BABY!
1:52 Hang on. Keeping a smuggling compartment, and lying about it, is worth fewer demerits than mislabeling a day and taking a double-length lunch break? What sort of operation are these bozos running?
4:02 And again, drinking a full bottle of brandy and keeping a history book are worth more demerits that the aforementioned hidden compartment. Smh my head.
Just good ol social conservatives. Realistic
The Edmund's book has some great ideas of how to become a better future, but when he cooperated with those who he hated (short sighted idiot people) he basically signed his life off to die a stupid death, in a stupid Order he created with these stupid people because the initial virtues got twisted and degraded by the people who do not understand what these virtues really are, essentially resulting in a fuckin' circus where for crying you get -10 years of life, yet for "donating" your mansion (aka riches) you get to be basically immortal - clown show
What i did not expected is for Edmund to fail his own rules and die an even more stupid death. lmao.
Edmund himself was the one who imposed the lopsided punishments. Excessively punishing normal people things, like drinking and having emotions, was done for the express purpose of stealing years from people and giving them to himself and his favourites. Lies and secrets get token punishment only to maintain the virtuous facade, since these things are very necessary for Edmund's regime to exist at all, and he knows this. The whole don't show emotion thing ensures that the people he allows to get closest to him are the ones who are the best at pretending everything is fine when it isn't, which historically are the kinds of people most dictators like to surround themselves with. The lawyer was the prime example - able to slip chameleon-like into and out of the order as it benefited him, witnessing and taking part in atrocities and then roundly denying it ever happened, all with a smile on his face.
As a Drawfee fan, this episode gave me a horrifying and hilarious jumpscare
A very well-done game.
New subscriber here. Thanks to this channel i found so many good puzzle games. Thank you Tyler!
The end is obviously a 1984 reverence.
Right at 4 am! Just how I like it
What a great series
10 merits subtracted.
Right at 12!
I love all your videos you do such a good job keep up the work
Thanks for the video!
The video didn't start with "hey guys, tyler here" and a smart funny edit, my day is ruined :(
Love your content man, keep it up!!
It was so satisfying to solve the final chapter a'd it made me sad to see you bruteforce it
YES
Something that I don't see talked enough about is the fact that Gideon Bell was 12 when he had his life years taken away, and since this is 3 years after the last episode, that makes Gideon Bell 9 when he is invited to and drugged at James Turner's house.
pretty sure that gideon was 20 when his youth got drained by the golden idol since he became 108 years old (not 100) because 88+20=108 and when he was drugged at james turner's house he was 17
He was 20, and honestly I think the charges of him crying were trumped up as a way to punish him for not giving Edmund information on secret entrances to the Kings palace
ollie cromwell is back. cool.
I looked at a few Maxims in my younger days. I cant say I saw anything virtuous
Finally it released!!
The finale at last. I know I'm not an avid reader to the clue but what is the golden idol? what's the history behind its power?
Lemuria is a fictitious ancient civilization sometimes used in science fiction works. Think Atlantis but in the pacific.
In the game this civilization really existed and the Golden idol is simply a machine from that time that survived to the present day.
@@Gaaron01234 One made out of brass, in fact.
yayayyayayayaya
Oh boy, time for more math!
5:50 Looks like Peter and Mary ended up getting married after the dinner party where Rose died, good for them! Then her father ratted them out to the new order, not good for them.
Good game
I would like the golden idol
Did I miss the missing episodes?
Edit: Nevermind, I missed it, the thumbnail messed me up
It's the gnome
Hi everyone good morning
Les go
The golden idol in the first chapter of this video has a blue gem in it which would mean it is going to take and with the glyphs that are designated it is more likely that if used it would remove life force. Is possible that they are stealing life to live forever and rule forever.
Stay healthy and have a fantastic day
If Tyler sees this it's for him only, but I just want you to know that everything in my comment on the video before this (chronologically) was honest. Goodbye everyone I hate making comments online
The idol...
Oop
Not first
Day 754 of telling Tyler that he never finished his minecraft series and that he should finish it.
Dang I was hoping for more offbrand potioncraft
I was also hoping for more offbrand potioncraft
It is very rare for Tyler to do back to back on a series from what I’ve seen so it makes sense it isn’t more of that
Day 451
Too early
Just pointing out that Gideon was 12 before they aged him (100 - 88)
He became 108, so he was 20. Not that anyone would be surprised if they murdered children, but we don't have solid proof that they did.
@@SirBroadsword oh I thought it said that he turned 100. I couldn't really hear Tyler well, and the font makes it a bit hard to differentiate between 0 and 8. Thank you for clarifying.
Cults
What happens when a cult takes over british parliament
amogus
The guy was 12 years old when he gained the 88 year punishment. . .
No, he was 20.
First
24th❤
Deltarune. Please play it.
Man why can't I ever get back to back videos from series I enjoy. It's always this stupid fkn detective bs