Great info! You made me a cam back in 2016 for my sbc 383 and it's still going strong! Made 480hp just under 500tq on a engine dyno. Still rocking the shirt also!! Thanks again from MN!
There's something about the Chinese culture that a lot of people may not realize. The Chinese will make whatever product you want at whatever quality you want. The difference is always what are you willing to pay.
I bought a hydraulic speedway camshaft for a dirt modified. It’s one of just a few grinds they sell, and it had a lot of feedback and a very good rating. I was on the cheap side, but it didn’t disappoint. It’s around 240 duration @50, .510 lift, and 106 LSA.
Definitely, it's scary out there, and now China is copying the boxes, so you really have no idea what your actually receiving, always buy from authorized dealers to be safe
I bought a china one did the exact same thing put the cam on a campro plus machine the one I purchased was 230/232 584.8 lift I believe I got lucky and got one that was cut on a Tuesday not a Friday
Thanks for taking the time to put together this video, plus the editing time etc. You definately have some precision tools, equipment and experiance. Thanks for taking the time to show what junk parts really lack in quality.
Great video , I havnt seen it explained that way since I worked for my mentor years ago the explanation was excellent and yes yours will make more power I tried the cheap cams hate to admit it but yes lazy is the word I am looking for they just don't hold up . Have a great evening . 👍
Got some real world data on this camshaft. For data purposes I pulled my elgin 1840p and tried one of these. This china cam sounds a lot meaner but it doesn't perform. On my combo I ran an 11.2 on 14psi of boost and 6psi leave (4700lb 4wd) with the elgin. On the exact same truck with the china cam I ran a 12.0 and sad thing is the 12.0 had 8 more degrees of launch timing because the camshaft is so lazy down low it didn't want to get up on the converter.
The duration is way bigger than it's supposed to be if it is the SSII copy it's supposed to be 228/230 .585/.585 112 if it's SSIII copy it supposed to be 238/242 .595/.595 112, I believe those cams both came from a contract Elgin had with TFS because those exact grinds have been sold by TFS in combination with the heads and alone. Comp also has sold a 228/230 for years with different lift on a 112.
@@powellmachineinc but only if you have someone there while they are making it to do qc for you. Otherwise you wiil get the same crap as everyone else or they will sell what you paid for to another customer and ship you the crap. I know this from experience with them.
I remember reading about someone who thought learning Mandarin would be fun on 4chan. They talked about how they were stuck doing industrial espionage for their own company, and dealing with several tons of counterfeit steel. I had a laugh even though 4chan isn't the place for reputable information. It is more of a place for people to vent the angriest rants.
the problem is the Qaulity of the metals China use VS American Steel. Good Luck if you burn a Lobe on a Flat Tappet Cam & get it replaced under warranty!
Lots of steel is made oversees, but selecting the correct steel and proper heat treat methods is where they drop the ball , regardless, Buy american when you can, we make cams in house every day.
I bought the shyneese stage 2 cam and put it in my 6.0 ls. It gave specs for everything but the valve springs. Makes a lil tapping sound even after tune. Might have to put some PAC 1218 springs to see if it goes away
@@bobbyreynolds5453 I ahavent tried the springs yet, I bought a Elgin stage 2 to replace the china one I got. If that don’t fix it then those springs are next on my list
I watched your pac 1218 right before this. I had just bought the btr .660 springs kit and saw the China version of the .660 springs look the same. I’d watch it if you did it
The faster U get on a intake duration the less the stock computer will pickup. Chinese cams tend to increase air intake volume for some reasons U will burn more fuel in the city as with the old crane cam thumpers as they called em before they said they were towing or performance cams. The Chinese cams feed in after 1200rpm actually 1500 is my exp with em. 2200 going up a hill they will really ramp out some speed on a hill that is. On say the interstate the China crap is also ok the pedal stays level. I have a Harlan sharps in an identical truck with a China cam. I can say I get better low end with thee Harlan. The China cam is totally flat on low end. Not much gain at all. But $560 dollars to $150 bucks I mean come on man.... I hate Biden its just his legacy when ya want to say pull my finger.
@@powellmachineinc The Harlan Sharps cam was $450 even shipped to my door. I had lifters that worked & actually used the stock lifters were in the best shape over heads and valves and push rods. $450 + gaskets anti freeze I was dialed in. I did my own heads just + Manley valves $100 even. The 4.8L and 5.3 on up heads stock do really well with a the stage 2 cams no mods needed other pay attention to the seals & guides and wipe the head seats with compound & attention. Stage 3 cams yáll start splittin hairs with the redheaded hairy bush monster I call it....
Bought a Cam Motion cam and got their best 8620 (I believe) core, is it harder than their 8660 core and will it last longer ??? Titan 1 217/225 .595/.587 114+2 for an L76 6.0 that has factory rec port heads, good choice for a daily with stock converter ?
But you can throw it in a 6 L with about 8 lb of boost for 600 to the tire. Definitely always best to buy American ...if you can afford to...do it right.
If you can't afford to do it right the first time how can you afford to do it right the second time?, the moral is just make sure you know the source of your parts, and if you expect quality and the part to actually be what ordered then this won't do.
@@powellmachineinc my version of do it right was meant to be.by American. How many times can you afford to do it with Chinese crap ( wrong way) at a 3rd the price, about 3 times. It's all about upgrading in hot rod so by the time you get that fourth one, the right good one, ( hopefully made in America) you might have saved enough money in the long run for some fuzzy dice for the mirror
SAE on set of gas flow was set at 0.006" 50 years ago. Was Harvey Crane that came up with major and minor intensity stuff, which can be misleading. are you using your patterns ? Could you please advise on cost per lobe ....ta
Pretty much every Lobe designer I know would 100% agree that big .006" numbers Relative to the .050" and .200" indicates a slow profile, Harvey was a lot sharper than some give him credit for, He was ahead of his time in many ways, I assume when you say "patterns" you mean Lobe Designs, yes we have a couple of Designers who do lobe designs for us, I dont know exactly what you want a price on?
@@powellmachineinc A lobe design creates a pattern, for use in a manual copy grinder, but the the pattern may be cnc'd . A cnc grinder has a lobe program. Being from New Zealand, I work the English concept of duration is based on valve open and close & 0.006" camshaft aggression is measured in acceleration rates, biggest problem with F/T cams is follower diameter, limiting velocity. ( but there is a solution to this ) roller followers have limits too cost to regrind say a 8 valve 4 cyl if customer supplies a core.... ta for the reply
@rob frew ok, so hear we call them master plates, I make the plates in house for a lot of companies, I also make the index plates, we also have another company cnc grind the design on our plates, , if you watch my F/T lifter video I talk about lifter diameter and why it matters,
@@powellmachineinc I apologize for the delay in reply. Cam design is still considered a BLACK art. Once you understand the mechanical limits, and production to performance trade offs there is nothing BLACK about it. The big deal seems to be using polynomials, splines, Bezier curves (French curves) to create to a wonder lobe with NO jerk. Take away any jerk and the cam becomes just a round lump with NO lift Personally, I do not think lobe development has come very far, if at all since CAD. power increases are through cylinder head development. An old saying is :: 'the bullshit stops, when the flag drops ' Are you designing your lobe masters ? and thanks for the regrind price. just 8 lobes here is that cost in NZ
@powellmachineinc3179 ya I kinda want to but it's not for a toy it's for my daily so it would be annoying if I have to get new lifters and put my old cam back in in like 10,000 miles but I will do something eventually
@@james10739it's a roller cam it doesn't need new lifters, even if, a set of lifters and trays are like $150. If the head gaskets are in ok shape, copper spray, reuse, chase the threads and you can reuse the head bolts too. All the cool kids are doing it...
Hello folks! I need some cam recommendations and torque converter. I have a 4.8 01 regular cab Silverado. With 61k miles. What cam and torque converter yall recommend for a daily driver. Don’t care for gas consumption. Will be installing Detroit tru trac with 4:11 gears. Tbss manifold, headers and other parts. What would you guys recommend? Not looking for the choppy sound only. I want power, get my moneys worth. Any advice is appreciated in advance thank you all!
Most of f the time, these cams are going in a grenade turbo 4.8/5.3 build that is going to be neglectfully races to death in a manner and build philosophy where the engine is disposable and all the supporting mods(turbo system,fuel system, converter, double feed+ braked TH400/80e, boost controller and Holley EFI),are carried over as the engines are blown up that's how guys do hoodrat racing these days.
and hood rat burnout/hillclimb/ mud machines I have went through 3 sbc's in my hillclimb truck and it's awesome not pouring 5000 dollars into and engine and have it lose oil pressure. if it happens with my 200 dollar engine all my parts go onto the other engine I have waiting in my shop
That's the thing anymore...you just never know what your buying...almost all the cam and roller lifter manufacturers farmed out there billets to China with inferior metals...thats why I haven't changed my cam and lifters from luniti i installed since 1990
No way would I run one, got bit many yrs ago by a knockoff Manley pushrod set Outside hardness checked fine Stick them in a vise it took hardly any effort at all to bend and snap them. Metal inside looked like a dirt clod Valvetrain stuff I always go name brand not worth killing an engine
As always a Chinese manufacturing bashing video about people that went cheap on their cam and have had occasional issues show up. If a person wants to be cheap then they shouldn't complain about what they get. By a more expensive "american made" cam that may be only questionably better and probably made from the same core material and production plant. American made products may or may not have better induction hardening processes used and may hold slightly tighter production tolerances but +- .002 to +- .003 just doesn't matter on a lobe. I'm a drafter designer and call out production tolerances given by the engineers and it's all about cost. I'm really enjoying hearing people state they can check material type in a cam. Let me know how thats done because my company would love to be able to do that without sending a piece of it to a lab for destructive testing.
I'll pry a cam out of a junkyard motor before I'll use a Chinese camshaft. They are sending all this junk to America in hopes that it all fails at the same time, leaving us stuck in the roadside with phones that don't ring, laptops that don't compute, food that poisons us. I highly doubt that cam is more than mild steel.
Well for under $120 you can get one with springs so it's really like saving $300-$400 if you want something other than a sloppy stage 2 like a BTR or rexas speed
Just wait until the call to the China tech line…giv’em your combo, I’m sure they’ll have some great specs for a cam! The most important part of an engine, it literally determines everything, and yet people go China on this also. Shhh
95% of Chinese made stuff is garbage. Yes, I know they make smart phones. But, there's a big difference in the proprietary stuff they make versus their huge knock off industry. If it's a Chinese copy of a higher priced, name brand item...it's most likely going to be junk.
I think you should have had all the info, from the china VERSION, original Sloppy stage 2 and "your version", before guessing how bad the china is compared to the SS2, plus guessing what the original SS2 "might be" . and blowing up how "good" yours is right away without having solid info just says "BUY MY STUFF"...Honesty and having ALL the info and being prepared will gain WAY MORE BUSINESS....try it....take this vid down and make a new vid with everything ready and c how much more interest you get.
Wow, so first off....#1 both cam doctor reports are plainly there for you to see, #2 my cam is not a "version " I simply choose 2 lobes out of my lobe library to show how bad the import design is, #3 after looking up the Elgin specs the China version is 8 degrees off...#4 this was not a attempt to procure more business as we are covered up already, however this was a attempt to educate people about lobe designs and accuracy so that they may better make a choice regardless where they buy from.
@@powellmachineinc hey it’s 500$ junk yard engine 😂😂 what’s that worst that happens,but I agree with you and usually would buy American made,and quality parts.this happens when you have a newborn and a tight budget.crap I’m even running a eBay harness 🤦♂️😂
@@pjl1919 I understand bro. Sometimes people want to throw around China to boost their ego. I don't understand how an upgrade is a setback. That cam will make more than the stock cam. People looking to make power realize the engine isnt going to last a lifetime pushing it to it's limits. So spend how you can and have fun with what you have. Some people suggest you just don't do it at all. Then they're having all the fun. But yeah, American stuff is better for the most part, is also not the one all be all either.
I'm running an ebay SS3 in my lq4 with 799 heads it runs great......I'm sure it would probably do a little better with a na.e brand came but I couldn't afford it at the time.
@@BretPowell There are many channels competing for my viewing time. While I do appreciate the information I could make out, it was uncomfortable to watch. I am going to get the information I need from the channels that make the effort to cater to the needs of the viewers. I am sorry that I offended you, but I will not visit your channel again. May your future videos be fantastic and very popular.
Your ovaries are over working. Take it easy on the sweets. Try to break the ego ovarian connect. A couple wet t contests at a biker rally could help. Just a thought.
Great info! You made me a cam back in 2016 for my sbc 383 and it's still going strong! Made 480hp just under 500tq on a engine dyno.
Still rocking the shirt also!!
Thanks again from MN!
That's awesome to hear!! Thank you for the business!
There's something about the Chinese culture that a lot of people may not realize. The Chinese will make whatever product you want at whatever quality you want. The difference is always what are you willing to pay.
Mercedes Benz has their crankshaft made in a Chinese foundry.
Have stage 2 and 678hp No problems❤
@@nephtalirodriguez4819Chinese or American cam?
I bought a hydraulic speedway camshaft for a dirt modified. It’s one of just a few grinds they sell, and it had a lot of feedback and a very good rating. I was on the cheap side, but it didn’t disappoint. It’s around 240 duration @50, .510 lift, and 106 LSA.
I've learned over the past 7-8 years to do a hardness test on the metal pertaining to anything metal made in China. So far it's been 50/50
Definitely, it's scary out there, and now China is copying the boxes, so you really have no idea what your actually receiving, always buy from authorized dealers to be safe
I bought a china one did the exact same thing put the cam on a campro plus machine the one I purchased was 230/232 584.8 lift I believe I got lucky and got one that was cut on a Tuesday not a Friday
Thanks for taking the time to put together this video, plus the editing time etc. You definately have some precision tools, equipment and experiance. Thanks for taking the time to show what junk parts really lack in quality.
You are welcome!! We appreciate your support!!
I used to use the 350hp 327 camshaft. It was 306 advertised and 221 at 50
That is slow, they did ok in the day
Great video , I havnt seen it explained that way since I worked for my mentor years ago the explanation was excellent and yes yours will make more power I tried the cheap cams hate to admit it but yes lazy is the word I am looking for they just don't hold up . Have a great evening . 👍
I had stock springs with 230k on my ls4 LS lasted 2/3 weeks n wiped love herd it making almost like a rod knock
Well, you can't run stock springs with .585 lift, I'm sure they were in coil bind
Got some real world data on this camshaft. For data purposes I pulled my elgin 1840p and tried one of these. This china cam sounds a lot meaner but it doesn't perform. On my combo I ran an 11.2 on 14psi of boost and 6psi leave (4700lb 4wd) with the elgin. On the exact same truck with the china cam I ran a 12.0 and sad thing is the 12.0 had 8 more degrees of launch timing because the camshaft is so lazy down low it didn't want to get up on the converter.
Thank you for your knowledge and video's USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸
Our pleasure!
The duration is way bigger than it's supposed to be if it is the SSII copy it's supposed to be 228/230 .585/.585 112 if it's SSIII copy it supposed to be 238/242 .595/.595 112, I believe those cams both came from a contract Elgin had with TFS because those exact grinds have been sold by TFS in combination with the heads and alone. Comp also has sold a 228/230 for years with different lift on a 112.
Either way it's China garbage
But my predator engine runs good on my go kart lol ..i do kidd around @@powellmachineinc
Been seeing a couple "well known" cam company cams do not really come in to what they say either. Coupe vids on here on youtube about it. Crazy times.
I bought this same cam lasted 2 weeks sounded killer had decent power in my ls4 5.3 impala SS
What failed on it?
?
It's not that the kung foo can't make quality parts.....it's they refuse to unless you are standing there while they do it.
They will make whatever quantity level you want, just depends on how much you want to pay...
@@powellmachineinc but only if you have someone there while they are making it to do qc for you. Otherwise you wiil get the same crap as everyone else or they will sell what you paid for to another customer and ship you the crap. I know this from experience with them.
I remember reading about someone who thought learning Mandarin would be fun on 4chan. They talked about how they were stuck doing industrial espionage for their own company, and dealing with several tons of counterfeit steel. I had a laugh even though 4chan isn't the place for reputable information. It is more of a place for people to vent the angriest rants.
thats because china cams need wuhan whistle boys to wake them up lol. love your southern accent
Thank you!
the problem is the Qaulity of the metals China use VS American Steel. Good Luck if you burn a Lobe on a Flat Tappet Cam & get it replaced under warranty!
Lots of steel is made oversees, but selecting the correct steel and proper heat treat methods is where they drop the ball , regardless, Buy american when you can, we make cams in house every day.
99% of the time, you ain't getting any "warranty" money/parts from American companies either! ROFL!!
@@powellmachineinc I'd use old new stock factory Ford 270 Cam VS a new flat tappet cam made with China steel. Roller Cams is the way to go.
i wonder how good the china version that sloppy actually sells is
They would not know as most people don't have a cam doctor or understand how to interpret the data.
Would you make a cam for a 1986 Mitsubishi Mighty Max truck..? Thanks for sharing this information... Your English accent is easy listening ;^)
We can, but it would be very expensive
Perhaps a regrind of the OEM cam is possible?
Do a test on the import best cam 💯
Send me one will be happy to run it through the system and send it back.
@@powellmachineinc I just ordered one .
I bought the shyneese stage 2 cam and put it in my 6.0 ls. It gave specs for everything but the valve springs. Makes a lil tapping sound even after tune. Might have to put some PAC 1218 springs to see if it goes away
Same issue. You have a update? New springs fix the noise?
@@bobbyreynolds5453 I ahavent tried the springs yet, I bought a Elgin stage 2 to replace the china one I got. If that don’t fix it then those springs are next on my list
Are you going to do the Chana 660 next
Haven't seen that one yet
I watched your pac 1218 right before this. I had just bought the btr .660 springs kit and saw the China version of the .660 springs look the same. I’d watch it if you did it
@Steveo Bauer will look into those, all the cheap .660 springs are imports regardless where you purchased
Chinesium. You’ll likely find varying hardness throughout and possibly find the cam in pieces when it fails.
The faster U get on a intake duration the less the stock computer will pickup. Chinese cams tend to increase air intake volume for some reasons U will burn more fuel in the city as with the old crane cam thumpers as they called em before they said they were towing or performance cams. The Chinese cams feed in after 1200rpm actually 1500 is my exp with em. 2200 going up a hill they will really ramp out some speed on a hill that is. On say the interstate the China crap is also ok the pedal stays level. I have a Harlan sharps in an identical truck with a China cam. I can say I get better low end with thee Harlan. The China cam is totally flat on low end. Not much gain at all. But $560 dollars to $150 bucks I mean come on man.... I hate Biden its just his legacy when ya want to say pull my finger.
We charge $365.00 for a Usa made Properly designed Billet core Ls cam, shipped to your door,
@@powellmachineinc The Harlan Sharps cam was $450 even shipped to my door. I had lifters that worked & actually used the stock lifters were in the best shape over heads and valves and push rods. $450 + gaskets anti freeze I was dialed in. I did my own heads just + Manley valves $100 even. The 4.8L and 5.3 on up heads stock do really well with a the stage 2 cams no mods needed other pay attention to the seals & guides and wipe the head seats with compound & attention. Stage 3 cams yáll start splittin hairs with the redheaded hairy bush monster I call it....
@Theking Silverado Harlan sharp doesn't manufacture camshafts.
Bought a Cam Motion cam and got their best 8620 (I believe) core, is it harder than their 8660 core and will it last longer ??? Titan 1 217/225 .595/.587 114+2 for an L76 6.0 that has factory rec port heads, good choice for a daily with stock converter ?
A 5150 core would outlast you.... that is definitely not the specs u would have chosen.
But you can throw it in a 6 L with about 8 lb of boost for 600 to the tire. Definitely always best to buy American ...if you can afford to...do it right.
If you can't afford to do it right the first time how can you afford to do it right the second time?, the moral is just make sure you know the source of your parts, and if you expect quality and the part to actually be what ordered then this won't do.
@@powellmachineinc my version of do it right was meant to be.by American. How many times can you afford to do it with Chinese crap ( wrong way) at a 3rd the price, about 3 times. It's all about upgrading in hot rod so by the time you get that fourth one, the right good one, ( hopefully made in America) you might have saved enough money in the long run for some fuzzy dice for the mirror
@@kevinwest3689 You shouldn't run fuzzy dice on the mirror, it obstructs your view! LOL
@@Anarchy-Is-Liberty Ever were I look I see 🐈, 🤤The dice helps me focus. DUDE ! GREEN LIGHT
SAE on set of gas flow was set at 0.006" 50 years ago. Was Harvey Crane that came up with major and minor intensity stuff, which can be misleading. are you using your patterns ?
Could you please advise on cost per lobe ....ta
Pretty much every Lobe designer I know would 100% agree that big .006" numbers Relative to the .050" and .200" indicates a slow profile, Harvey was a lot sharper than some give him credit for, He was ahead of his time in many ways, I assume when you say "patterns" you mean Lobe Designs, yes we have a couple of Designers who do lobe designs for us, I dont know exactly what you want a price on?
@@powellmachineinc A lobe design creates a pattern, for use in a manual copy grinder, but the the pattern may be cnc'd . A cnc grinder has a lobe program.
Being from New Zealand, I work the English concept of duration is based on valve open and close & 0.006"
camshaft aggression is measured in acceleration rates,
biggest problem with F/T cams is follower diameter, limiting velocity. ( but there is a solution to this ) roller followers have limits too
cost to regrind say a 8 valve 4 cyl if customer supplies a core.... ta for the reply
@rob frew ok, so hear we call them master plates, I make the plates in house for a lot of companies, I also make the index plates, we also have another company cnc grind the design on our plates, , if you watch my F/T lifter video I talk about lifter diameter and why it matters,
@@bobawatsit to do a regrind starts at $150.00.
@@powellmachineinc I apologize for the delay in reply.
Cam design is still considered a BLACK art. Once you understand the mechanical limits, and production to performance trade offs there is nothing BLACK about it. The big deal seems to be using polynomials, splines, Bezier curves (French curves) to create to a wonder lobe with NO jerk. Take away any jerk and the cam becomes just a round lump with NO lift
Personally, I do not think lobe development has come very far, if at all since CAD. power increases are through cylinder head development.
An old saying is :: 'the bullshit stops, when the flag drops '
Are you designing your lobe masters ?
and thanks for the regrind price. just 8 lobes here is that cost in NZ
I saw china BTR srage 2 truck cams with springs for $113 im thinking about buying
You should!
@powellmachineinc3179 ya I kinda want to but it's not for a toy it's for my daily so it would be annoying if I have to get new lifters and put my old cam back in in like 10,000 miles but I will do something eventually
@@james10739it's a roller cam it doesn't need new lifters, even if, a set of lifters and trays are like $150. If the head gaskets are in ok shape, copper spray, reuse, chase the threads and you can reuse the head bolts too. All the cool kids are doing it...
Could you please check inexpensive Elgin pro stock flat tappet SBC cams and lifters as the Z28/Lt1 cam?
If you send one im happy to check it
Hello folks!
I need some cam recommendations and torque converter.
I have a 4.8 01 regular cab Silverado. With 61k miles.
What cam and torque converter yall recommend for a daily driver.
Don’t care for gas consumption.
Will be installing Detroit tru trac with 4:11 gears. Tbss manifold, headers and other parts.
What would you guys recommend?
Not looking for the choppy sound only. I want power, get my moneys worth. Any advice is appreciated in advance thank you all!
Most of f the time, these cams are going in a grenade turbo 4.8/5.3 build that is going to be neglectfully races to death in a manner and build philosophy where the engine is disposable and all the supporting mods(turbo system,fuel system, converter, double feed+ braked TH400/80e, boost controller and Holley EFI),are carried over as the engines are blown up that's how guys do hoodrat racing these days.
Definitely
and hood rat burnout/hillclimb/ mud machines I have went through 3 sbc's in my hillclimb truck and it's awesome not pouring 5000 dollars into and engine and have it lose oil pressure. if it happens with my 200 dollar engine all my parts go onto the other engine I have waiting in my shop
How much for a 212/220 .600” 110lsa grind for a turbo big bore 4.8 ?
All ls cams are 365.00 free shipping
That's the thing anymore...you just never know what your buying...almost all the cam and roller lifter manufacturers farmed out there billets to China with inferior metals...thats why I haven't changed my cam and lifters from luniti i installed since 1990
No way would I run one, got bit many yrs ago by a knockoff Manley pushrod set
Outside hardness checked fine
Stick them in a vise it took hardly any effort at all to bend and snap them. Metal inside looked like a dirt clod
Valvetrain stuff I always go name brand not worth killing an engine
Never seen such
Myself I always save my money and get the best parts/ cam ect I can. Too old to be doing that twice.
Definitely
As always a Chinese manufacturing bashing video about people that went cheap on their cam and have had occasional issues show up. If a person wants to be cheap then they shouldn't complain about what they get. By a more expensive "american made" cam that may be only questionably better and probably made from the same core material and production plant. American made products may or may not have better induction hardening processes used and may hold slightly tighter production tolerances but +- .002 to +- .003 just doesn't matter on a lobe. I'm a drafter designer and call out production tolerances given by the engineers and it's all about cost. I'm really enjoying hearing people state they can check material type in a cam. Let me know how thats done because my company would love to be able to do that without sending a piece of it to a lab for destructive testing.
Let me guess, procomp/speedmaster?
The box didn't have any name or information neither did the cam
It's all junk
Good ol GuangDong $99 special
I'll pry a cam out of a junkyard motor before I'll use a Chinese camshaft. They are sending all this junk to America in hopes that it all fails at the same time, leaving us stuck in the roadside with phones that don't ring, laptops that don't compute, food that poisons us. I highly doubt that cam is more than mild steel.
Typical. You can't trust this stuff as far as you can throw it
And I can throw some of this stuff a long goddamned way!!
I never understood why people by that cheap just spend a extra $100 and get something proven
Well for under $120 you can get one with springs so it's really like saving $300-$400 if you want something other than a sloppy stage 2 like a BTR or rexas speed
Thanks for checking this told me what I needed to know
Don’t understand why you would buy Chinese cam or any valve train components
Speedmaster grinding cams now? Lmao can they get anything right.
Just wait until the call to the China tech line…giv’em your combo, I’m sure they’ll have some great specs for a cam!
The most important part of an engine, it literally determines everything, and yet people go China on this also. Shhh
People can't afford the good cams...if they made the good cams cheaper then maybe they would sell more and everyone can have a good cam
@chevyboyforlife4234 if you can't afford to do it right the first time how can you afford to do it a second time??
95% of Chinese made stuff is garbage. Yes, I know they make smart phones. But, there's a big difference in the proprietary stuff they make versus their huge knock off industry.
If it's a Chinese copy of a higher priced, name brand item...it's most likely going to be junk.
I think you should have had all the info, from the china VERSION, original Sloppy stage 2 and "your version", before guessing how bad the china is compared to the SS2, plus guessing what the original SS2 "might be" . and blowing up how "good" yours is right away without having solid info just says "BUY MY STUFF"...Honesty and having ALL the info and being prepared will gain WAY MORE BUSINESS....try it....take this vid down and make a new vid with everything ready and c how much more interest you get.
Wow, so first off....#1 both cam doctor reports are plainly there for you to see, #2 my cam is not a "version " I simply choose 2 lobes out of my lobe library to show how bad the import design is, #3 after looking up the Elgin specs the China version is 8 degrees off...#4 this was not a attempt to procure more business as we are covered up already, however this was a attempt to educate people about lobe designs and accuracy so that they may better make a choice regardless where they buy from.
I’m sending it with a eBay cam,eBay springs,eBay oil pump,eBay timing set. 😂😂😂
I'm sure of it...
@@powellmachineinc hey it’s 500$ junk yard engine 😂😂 what’s that worst that happens,but I agree with you and usually would buy American made,and quality parts.this happens when you have a newborn and a tight budget.crap I’m even running a eBay harness 🤦♂️😂
@Pj L If you can't afford to do it right the first time how could you afford to it right the second time? Strange economics to me.
@@pjl1919 I understand bro. Sometimes people want to throw around China to boost their ego. I don't understand how an upgrade is a setback. That cam will make more than the stock cam. People looking to make power realize the engine isnt going to last a lifetime pushing it to it's limits. So spend how you can and have fun with what you have. Some people suggest you just don't do it at all. Then they're having all the fun. But yeah, American stuff is better for the most part, is also not the one all be all either.
I'm running an ebay SS3 in my lq4 with 799 heads it runs great......I'm sure it would probably do a little better with a na.e brand came but I couldn't afford it at the time.
China doing Sloppy second..😅😅😅
Lol
For the sake of all that is good in the world, get a flipping tripod! This is almost unwatchable!!!
My camera man was absent, we will do better!!
Can't you just appreciate the info?
@@BretPowell There are many channels competing for my viewing time. While I do appreciate the information I could make out, it was uncomfortable to watch. I am going to get the information I need from the channels that make the effort to cater to the needs of the viewers. I am sorry that I offended you, but I will not visit your channel again. May your future videos be fantastic and very popular.
What was "unwatchable" about it? Seemed fine to me.
Your ovaries are over working. Take it easy on the sweets. Try to break the ego ovarian connect. A couple wet t contests at a biker rally could help. Just a thought.