So glad somebody else revered Phoenix's performance in The Master. I was just transfixed. I've never known any other modern actor to 'become' a character like he did in this. PSH was incredible in the movie but next to Phoenix he looked like am amateur. Amazing amazing amazing performance.
There is a lot of confirmation bias on this issue. As a Veteran I may know better than most on this subject. Kids always seem to think they know much more than they actually do. The trick is not to confront the ignorance but to see a little bit of truth in their knowledge and build off of that. ❤️
There is a delicious irony in this discussion of bizarre behaviors while sitting in a flight chair fiddling with a sword in front of a statue of a wookie. :)
Got through a bit more of the podcast and want to correct a couple things. The Sea Org is basically their priesthood. These are the true believers, it makes it that much more difficult to leave, and makes it that much easier for Scientology to abuse them and for them to accept that abuse. They are cut off from the outside world, no movies, tv, newspapers, magazines, etc. They have no idea how to survive outside Scientology. All their family, all their friends, everything they know is Scientology. They leave, they cut themselves off from everything and everyone they have ever known, plus they lose their jobs, have no savings/money, or outside world skills. Most importantly, they honestly believe that Scientology will save the world, that is why so many say they couldn't leave because they would lose their "eternity". Norm says that they admit they did some terrible things, but won't admit what those terrible things are. This may be true in this movie (I haven't seen it yet) so blame the editing, they can't fit in everything! But it's not true of some of the people in the movie. Off the top of my head I do know that Marty Rathbun has been very clear about the fact that there was a culture of violence that he did push, punch, slap, and choke people at Miscavige's direction. Miscavige would say things like, stop coddling them, get tough and smack some sense into them. There are others who say the same. Also the beginning of Leah Remini's book is about all her failings and mistakes, she says she wanted to show that she is human and isn't trying to say she is perfect. In other words, she didn't want to point a finger and says they're bad, I'm good. Most who have left are like this.
Anyone else notice that some of the things they talk about for cults and Scientology by them "having their own language" and "it's nice to have people around you who think the same way you do" is exactly what Fandom is like? Gamers have their own language and sayings and form bands and groups... just saying it reinforces Adam's comments that it's part of human nature.
James Yee That's a good point, it's not just people who are religious or part of cults that have a strong desire to fit in but everyone in the world. We all conform to culture and subculture norms in order to fit in, whether its a cult, fandom, sport, music, nationality, hobby, our local community etc. etc. Some just go to more extremes than others.
Regarding the driving around on a really slippery parking lot sized area - we do that in Norway. Most of those facilities are big metal roads with remote controlled obstacles, where they cover the "roads" with some sort of oil and then spray water on it. Definitely the most fun part of my driving lessons! (Also, I... Ehrm... Kind of ruined the servo of the car. But my driving teacher told me it MUST have been a defective servo hose, because I was only driving like a slightly defensive race car driver.)
I think one of the reasons people react so strongly to Scientology is that they recognize it as a clearly manufactured religion, but seeing the fact that people sincerely believe it and it continues to grow makes them question what they may take for granted as true in their own religion (perhaps on a subconscious level).
Just thought id share this because im a care guy. Double clutching isnt a race car thing. Its used on old cars that didnt have syncros, the exception to this is if you have a dog box transmission with no syncros and arent shifting it as it was intended to be used. Dont confuse double clutching with a duel clutch transmission which is a type of automated manual transmission.
Any chance there you could post a version with audio straight from the built in stereo mic? I would love to get a listen to what the audio quality from it is.
I am reminded of a comedy skit from one of Adam Sandler's albums. "So, I want you to go with me to this meeting tonight. I think you'll like it!" "Umm, this isn't that cult you're in is it?" "Well, if they start chanting, "Fuck the Sun!" Just be like, "Yeah, yeah, fuck the Sun, I hate it too! It will be awesome man, just trust me!"
I learned to drive in the big city. After hours (10pm+) at a college campus parking lot. Although these days being there at that time, driving probably isn't your worst fear. The one advantage of the big city is that every inch of earth is lit by a powerful street lamp all night long. Even vacant parking lots. Or at least it was in the 80s.
Ahh, reminds me of my 2008-10 Chanology thing... good times. Protesting against the Scilons and their practices, raising awareness of it, was so much fun
Speaking of Cults, Scientology, et al... And tying back to one of Adam's favorite topics... Stanley Kubrick. You guys should do a Spoliercast on "Eyes Wide Shut." I would love to hear Adam's take on the film, especially the meaning of the mask on the pillow, hint: She was there! There I tell you!
I was so curious to hear what you guys thought about the doc after last weeks Tom Cruise discussion. I'm curious if Scientology puts an asterisk next to Tom Cruise for you guys from now on?
Maybe I'm behind the he times, but what is the cylinder in the middle of the table with the words "green gas" printed on it? What is it, what does it do, does it turn your farts green? Turn cow farts into a renewable resource?!
Why is everyone so sensitive? Maybe it's just me. But it feels like your opinions are nerfed. Just say what you think, damnit. It isn't illegal to offend people.
SpaceManDawn Haha, if the world was perfect then that would be true. Defamation of character can be used against people in court and when people with large amounts of money feel defamed then you will probably hear back from them
Genologic But it is true. Jim Jefferies and Doug Stanhope wouldn't have careers otherwise. Just because they're comedians doesn't mean they have any special rights. They're people too. Say what ever you want. Honesty is more virtuous than tippy toeing over everything.
***** Yeah, that's a load of crap. Basically anyone who's ever spoken out against Fox News in blogs or social media is guilty. And what about podcasts? Just about every comedian has a podcast these days. Stanhope will even make it a point to single out small businesses that he hates. Encouraging his users to post bad reviews and hack them in any way possible. Yet the dude is still touring. Completely free of lawsuits.
SpaceManDawn thank you good sir. you are a breath of fresh air in these indeed dark times. obviously cabbo has either none, or a very milk toast sense of humor
It's painfull to look at everyone struggling to phrase arguments/critics with that fear of being sued in the back of their head. It's really hard for me to see the power of these organisations and the pressure they have on free speach.
Steven Whiting If HBO hired 160 lawyers, that means that the Scientology is exceptionnally aggressive on the legal ground. In Europe, it is classified as a sect and a dangerous one.
What war? Nothing has happened with that, before you see first ammo been shot (or in Anon case, first databases hacked), it isn't a thing with anon.. It is not an organization, anyone can declare war on anything.
FRMCBlack Yes, i know. But you also know that they announce all kinds of things, do you have any idea how many hundreds of #OPxxxxxxxx there have been in the last 5 years where aboslutely nothing happened? Before something actually is done, it isn't real.
Is it just me or are Adam, Will and Norm wearing the same glasses frames in this episode. Here in Oz, there are suggestions that we should remove the tax free status for everyone but Veterans, serving military personnel, and the aged.
Will, I think you and Adam need to make a concerted effort to reduce the number of times you say "just to be clear." Switch it up, use "to clarify" maybe?
Wicca has no political power. Still not a cult. The reason? Cults make it a point to control the behaviour of their members, to keep them from mingling with general culture as much as possible, or at the least to keep them from leaving the cult. Does this make Jehovah's Witnesses a cult? I think it does, but then again I think not all cults are created equal, and some cults are less dangerous (though still dangerous) than others.
InXLsisDeo A sect is a subgroup of a religion/cult. Sunni/shia are sects of Islam, ditto for Catholicism/Episcopalian for Christianity. Scientology is not a subgroup, it is its own thing.
Talking about a BAD place to drive, try Atlanta! I do not drive, I never have. However, I have seen some hairy situations on the Atlanta streets that even I know was extremely illegal. If I had not been with the drivers that I was with, I would have, more than likely, been dead from the resulting accident that the person who was driving in the vehicle I was in avoided. And this has happened on 'several' occasions! It is pretty bad when someone who has never driven a day in his life can tell when someone else is breaking the law and driving recklessly. Some people here even run through rush hour traffic like it was the autobahn, weaving in and out of HEAVY traffic (Especially around I-285).
It's a weird thing to notice, but I'm glad Adam talks about L Ron Hubbard's weird mouth. I can't stand watching him talk because of those odd blubber lips and it's good to know I'm not the only one! lol
I actually did learn to drive in a 1974 Lincoln Continental. Took my drivers test in my 1975 Ford Maverick, which I still have. It was great. The officer was so busy checking out the car that I could have run someone over and still passed. :)
Go Bogies Go the church of the flying spaghetti monster is meant to be a parody religion though, Scientology isn't. Pastarfarianism was meant to be a protest to American school boards wanting to teach creationism on equal footing as evolution.
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just pure awesomeness and it's fantastic how far people are willing to push it with having a pasta strainer in their passport photo etc as "a religious headress".
I think they missed part of it, how even the guy was saying how they're not even told about the alien shit until they meet a certain level
So glad somebody else revered Phoenix's performance in The Master. I was just transfixed. I've never known any other modern actor to 'become' a character like he did in this. PSH was incredible in the movie but next to Phoenix he looked like am amateur. Amazing amazing amazing performance.
So awesome that Adam is just casually playing with a sword the entire episode!
I quite enjoyed the documentary and good talk here.
Love this pod cast/show so much, great work guys :)
There is a lot of confirmation bias on this issue. As a Veteran I may know better than most on this subject. Kids always seem to think they know much more than they actually do. The trick is not to confront the ignorance but to see a little bit of truth in their knowledge and build off of that. ❤️
I watched (and listened) through the end, then I had to start over so the segue made sense. :)
The Thompson mention put a smile on my face "too weird to live, too rare to die"
There is a delicious irony in this discussion of bizarre behaviors while sitting in a flight chair fiddling with a sword in front of a statue of a wookie. :)
Looking forward to hearing more about the zoom camera-- the video looks fantastic.
Will "I'm so sorry if i've offended anyone" Smith.
BAHAHAHAHA
Another great episode guys 😊
I always love watching these. About to give my scientologist teacher what-for. Haha,
Got through a bit more of the podcast and want to correct a couple things.
The Sea Org is basically their priesthood. These are the true believers, it makes it that much more difficult to leave, and makes it that much easier for Scientology to abuse them and for them to accept that abuse. They are cut off from the outside world, no movies, tv, newspapers, magazines, etc. They have no idea how to survive outside Scientology. All their family, all their friends, everything they know is Scientology. They leave, they cut themselves off from everything and everyone they have ever known, plus they lose their jobs, have no savings/money, or outside world skills. Most importantly, they honestly believe that Scientology will save the world, that is why so many say they couldn't leave because they would lose their "eternity".
Norm says that they admit they did some terrible things, but won't admit what those terrible things are. This may be true in this movie (I haven't seen it yet) so blame the editing, they can't fit in everything! But it's not true of some of the people in the movie. Off the top of my head I do know that Marty Rathbun has been very clear about the fact that there was a culture of violence that he did push, punch, slap, and choke people at Miscavige's direction. Miscavige would say things like, stop coddling them, get tough and smack some sense into them. There are others who say the same. Also the beginning of Leah Remini's book is about all her failings and mistakes, she says she wanted to show that she is human and isn't trying to say she is perfect. In other words, she didn't want to point a finger and says they're bad, I'm good. Most who have left are like this.
Totally agree that Going Clear is a remarkable and unnerving documentary. And can't wait to hear your thoughts on The Last Man on Earth Will!
I totally agree, The Master was absolutely riveting. The performances of Philip Seymour Hoffman and Joaquin Phoenix were compelling and intriguing.
Anyone else notice that some of the things they talk about for cults and Scientology by them "having their own language" and "it's nice to have people around you who think the same way you do" is exactly what Fandom is like? Gamers have their own language and sayings and form bands and groups... just saying it reinforces Adam's comments that it's part of human nature.
James Yee That's a good point, it's not just people who are religious or part of cults that have a strong desire to fit in but everyone in the world. We all conform to culture and subculture norms in order to fit in, whether its a cult, fandom, sport, music, nationality, hobby, our local community etc. etc. Some just go to more extremes than others.
James Yee It's called a community.
Love the quality
I love these guys
Adam has the little robot from Flubber sitting on that shelf.. Awesome.
Every time I see that sword I realize I have to re(-re-re-)watch that movie, but end up never doing so.
Hopefully tonight.
i love how Adam is just fiddling with a sword while talking :3
I like the camera that you guys tested to shoot this video. You didn't put in the description box which camera you used.
Adam is like king only his throne is a fighterjet seat.
That slippery "parkinglot"? we have that in Denmark, its called "glatbane" or "slippery track"
Regarding the driving around on a really slippery parking lot sized area - we do that in Norway. Most of those facilities are big metal roads with remote controlled obstacles, where they cover the "roads" with some sort of oil and then spray water on it.
Definitely the most fun part of my driving lessons! (Also, I... Ehrm... Kind of ruined the servo of the car. But my driving teacher told me it MUST have been a defective servo hose, because I was only driving like a slightly defensive race car driver.)
I think one of the reasons people react so strongly to Scientology is that they recognize it as a clearly manufactured religion, but seeing the fact that people sincerely believe it and it continues to grow makes them question what they may take for granted as true in their own religion (perhaps on a subconscious level).
I couldn't agree with this comment more.
Don't know if it's just a different focal length or just me, but the new camera seems to have Pincushion distortion.
Time loop, I love it!
7:55 Who? I want to check this out, but I can't quite catch what was said there
Zoom q8 is freakin' AWESOME! Just got one for my podcast!
I liked the last ten minutes. Even Adam's cool sword couldn't make the first 20 minutes bearable.
_"There are Meditators..."_
This made me laugh.
Where's the commercial intro? i don't miss it
I like the new camera, it's really crisp.
I like the new camera. it seams very clear and the contrast looks a little bit better than the other camera
I hope you guys will do a still untitled episode on Twin Peaks fire walk with me sometime.
Loved the episode, when is part 2 of Adam answers comming out?
Just thought id share this because im a care guy. Double clutching isnt a race car thing. Its used on old cars that didnt have syncros, the exception to this is if you have a dog box transmission with no syncros and arent shifting it as it was intended to be used. Dont confuse double clutching with a duel clutch transmission which is a type of automated manual transmission.
Any chance there you could post a version with audio straight from the built in stereo mic? I would love to get a listen to what the audio quality from it is.
Project Chanology brought most of this stuff to light in 2008, huge protests etc and the mainstream pretty much ignored it.
"going deep is something else" hahahaha will
It's the David Rees show. The second season just got picked up by Esquire.
Tested That smirk suggested otherwise...
So many questions! What was Adam eating? Why did he have his hero sword? Who did Adam wave to about half way through?
Will mentions a Neat Stephenson concept of "programatic lawsuits". Does anyone have a reference to this?
I am reminded of a comedy skit from one of Adam Sandler's albums.
"So, I want you to go with me to this meeting tonight. I think you'll like it!"
"Umm, this isn't that cult you're in is it?"
"Well, if they start chanting, "Fuck the Sun!" Just be like, "Yeah, yeah, fuck the Sun, I hate it too! It will be awesome man, just trust me!"
Oh! next episode they will talk about "the last man on earth" good show, can't wait!
What sword is that? !
Looks like this www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-21676-limited-edition-excalibur-sword-with-scabbard-and-belt.aspx
Mekhanic1 It is the Excalibur. From 1981's movie of the same name.
allluckyseven timbazi ***** Thanks everyone for the replies!
the terminator on the far right is just itching for some screen time
Green Gas? I have no idea what it is...or are they filming on Planet Spaceball.
The can of green gas at the table raises many questions....i'm intrigued to what they were using it for
athanatic That is what i recognize it for, I used to have an airsoft gun that used the stuff
That camera looks really off to me .
I learned to drive in the big city. After hours (10pm+) at a college campus parking lot. Although these days being there at that time, driving probably isn't your worst fear. The one advantage of the big city is that every inch of earth is lit by a powerful street lamp all night long. Even vacant parking lots. Or at least it was in the 80s.
Norm, what phone are you using. It looks like the Note 4, is it?
oh wow this camera is beautiful!
Watching this while cleaning my usp45.
Ahh, reminds me of my 2008-10 Chanology thing... good times. Protesting against the Scilons and their practices, raising awareness of it, was so much fun
First time viewer here... Is Adam sitting in a Corsair's ejection seat? Is it real or a prop?
Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew smoked Scientology without lawyers, live on KROQ in the 1990s. Carolla revisits it on occasion on his podcast now.
what is the can of Green Gas?
I've been driving for 6 months and my parents driving scares me
Why green gas on the table O.o?
I have the same sword as Adam. Mine's Silver. $24 at a Shakespeare Festival in Utah. Used it to cut my wedding cake. (the kids loved that)
Speaking of Cults, Scientology, et al... And tying back to one of Adam's favorite topics... Stanley Kubrick. You guys should do a Spoliercast on "Eyes Wide Shut." I would love to hear Adam's take on the film, especially the meaning of the mask on the pillow, hint: She was there! There I tell you!
shoutout to going deep with kassem g
did Adam get a new sword?
I was so curious to hear what you guys thought about the doc after last weeks Tom Cruise discussion. I'm curious if Scientology puts an asterisk next to Tom Cruise for you guys from now on?
That Medium Control shirt!
Maybe I'm behind the he times, but what is the cylinder in the middle of the table with the words "green gas" printed on it? What is it, what does it do, does it turn your farts green? Turn cow farts into a renewable resource?!
Why is everyone so sensitive? Maybe it's just me. But it feels like your opinions are nerfed. Just say what you think, damnit. It isn't illegal to offend people.
SpaceManDawn Haha, if the world was perfect then that would be true. Defamation of character can be used against people in court and when people with large amounts of money feel defamed then you will probably hear back from them
Genologic
But it is true. Jim Jefferies and Doug Stanhope wouldn't have careers otherwise. Just because they're comedians doesn't mean they have any special rights. They're people too.
Say what ever you want. Honesty is more virtuous than tippy toeing over everything.
*****
Source?
*****
Yeah, that's a load of crap. Basically anyone who's ever spoken out against Fox News in blogs or social media is guilty. And what about podcasts? Just about every comedian has a podcast these days. Stanhope will even make it a point to single out small businesses that he hates. Encouraging his users to post bad reviews and hack them in any way possible. Yet the dude is still touring. Completely free of lawsuits.
SpaceManDawn thank you good sir. you are a breath of fresh air in these indeed dark times. obviously cabbo has either none, or a very milk toast sense of humor
Why has norm and will never spoke to Tory, karry and grant from mythbusters?
"All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
It's painfull to look at everyone struggling to phrase arguments/critics with that fear of being sued in the back of their head.
It's really hard for me to see the power of these organisations and the pressure they have on free speach.
Like the new cam
Will oddly had nothing to say. Closet scientologist probably
I hadn't seen the film when we recorded this. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tested tom cruise would say that 😒
Steven Whiting If HBO hired 160 lawyers, that means that the Scientology is exceptionnally aggressive on the legal ground. In Europe, it is classified as a sect and a dangerous one.
Steven Whiting It's been classified as religion where they've succeeded in bribing the lawmakers basically. They've been busted over that in France.
A great movie about cults and deprogramming came out this year called "Faults". You guys should watch it.
You gents should talk about the atheist doc, which Adam Savage was featured in.
The Master was absolutely beautiful, the performances were outstanding, and I did not like the movie.
12:09 I think the heuristic term is loss aversion, a type of cognitive dissonance
They didn't discus the war between Scientology and Anonymous, that was unbelievable!
What war? Nothing has happened with that, before you see first ammo been shot (or in Anon case, first databases hacked), it isn't a thing with anon.. It is not an organization, anyone can declare war on anything.
SquidCaps Google "the Anonymous deceleration of war " they did do it. They do declare war on people quite often, they recently did to Israel.
FRMCBlack
Yes, i know. But you also know that they announce all kinds of things, do you have any idea how many hundreds of #OPxxxxxxxx there have been in the last 5 years where aboslutely nothing happened? Before something actually is done, it isn't real.
Is it just me or are Adam, Will and Norm wearing the same glasses frames in this episode. Here in Oz, there are suggestions that we should remove the tax free status for everyone but Veterans, serving military personnel, and the aged.
thumbs up for Norm's visage!
all someone has to do to immunize a person against ST is to tell them about xenu.
personally i dont like the look of this camera it looks like its warping the image.
permeus2nd i think its a fish eye effect
Will, I think you and Adam need to make a concerted effort to reduce the number of times you say "just to be clear." Switch it up, use "to clarify" maybe?
I was actually kind of expecting Adam to be a Scientologist
Difference between Cult and Religion is that Religion has Political Power.
Wicca has no political power. Still not a cult.
The reason? Cults make it a point to control the behaviour of their members, to keep them from mingling with general culture as much as possible, or at the least to keep them from leaving the cult.
Does this make Jehovah's Witnesses a cult? I think it does, but then again I think not all cults are created equal, and some cults are less dangerous (though still dangerous) than others.
Andrew Arndts the definition I like is that in a Cult - there is someone who knows that it's all a scam. In a religion - that person has died.
***** The problem is that Scientology is more cult than religion, even though its founder has died.
Bram Kaandorp Scientology is a sect.
InXLsisDeo A sect is a subgroup of a religion/cult. Sunni/shia are sects of Islam, ditto for Catholicism/Episcopalian for Christianity.
Scientology is not a subgroup, it is its own thing.
You need to get Savage and Tarantino together to talk about movies...
Norm is drowning in that mic, lol.
I think Adam wear the headphone wrong way
Talking about a BAD place to drive, try Atlanta! I do not drive, I never have. However, I have seen some hairy situations on the Atlanta streets that even I know was extremely illegal. If I had not been with the drivers that I was with, I would have, more than likely, been dead from the resulting accident that the person who was driving in the vehicle I was in avoided. And this has happened on 'several' occasions! It is pretty bad when someone who has never driven a day in his life can tell when someone else is breaking the law and driving recklessly. Some people here even run through rush hour traffic like it was the autobahn, weaving in and out of HEAVY traffic (Especially around I-285).
It's a weird thing to notice, but I'm glad Adam talks about L Ron Hubbard's weird mouth. I can't stand watching him talk because of those odd blubber lips and it's good to know I'm not the only one! lol
I like the Gopro better. The Gopro is sharper and better color temp in my opinion.
*camera quality
I actually did learn to drive in a 1974 Lincoln Continental. Took my drivers test in my 1975 Ford Maverick, which I still have. It was great. The officer was so busy checking out the car that I could have run someone over and still passed. :)
Adam says helicopters don't fly close to trees. He must not have seen OH-58s.
@nchan At work it was always my fault. I did not even have to be there for it to be my fault.
Nice
will will watch the movie and know his shit.
Google the Pastafarian Faith.
It's utter nonsense, but it stands on the same ground as Scientology.
Thats because its satire.
i know?! as does scientology...
Go Bogies Go the church of the flying spaghetti monster is meant to be a parody religion though, Scientology isn't. Pastarfarianism was meant to be a protest to American school boards wanting to teach creationism on equal footing as evolution.
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just pure awesomeness and it's fantastic how far people are willing to push it with having a pasta strainer in their passport photo etc as "a religious headress".
Esa Edvik That it is! the American military dog tags now have "Atheist / fsm" under religion if you select Atheist
Why do you guys even have Norm there? LOL