He is an idiot, I haven't seen a more disgusting person than him, who is he to talk about German cars, especially sports versions as they are, generally all English journalists are so horrible and antipathetic, they hate German cars horribly.
@@casanova6283 Better than 99% of the so-called journalists that receive corporate money and write applause all the time. When he actually likes a car I can relate to it. This isn't BMW M's best efforts (like most of their cars lately) and Sutcliffe knows it.
Don't think the number of cylinders matters. Important is the sofistication of the engine and the general setup of the car. All reviewers of the Ford GT praise it's rawness and racey feeling, and it's a six cylinder like F1 cars.
It's just too soft and too boring. The original M8 had the engine straight out of the McLaren F1, and the 850Csi had a detuned McLaren F1 engine. This has.... a slightly faster version of BMW's ubiquitous 4.4l TT V8. And, to top it all off, it's mated to a rather slowly torque converter auto instead of a dual clutch. The powertrain is what lets the car down, not the styling.
@@redvivid, sure, and make it into the GT it was meant to be while they're at it. It's in this weird area between sports and GT presently, and cars which straddle the gap tend not to do well.
Which is really dumb because you are always carrying the extra weight of 4WD even in 2WD mode. M8 should be about motorsport and extremes, not an up-suited M850i.
Which is your favourite bit of disappointing plastic in your Mercedes interior? Mercedes has been killing it at that game over the last five years or so. :D
@@samharper5881 I have the AMG interior and exterior with AMG line, I wish I could show you a picture. The C-class has quality interior parts, of course it isn't like the S-class who has leather over the entire interior unfortunately.
I love this car but the claims it's quicker than the M5 Comp are laughable. it's over 100kgs heavier and has the same engine and running gear. It's scientifically impossible for it to be quicker. Motorsport magazine did a 0-200kph run and the M8 Comp too a shade over 12s. The standard M5 has done the same sprint in the 10s so the myth is debunked.
There's no way M8 does a 12 sec 200km if that's what you mean. It should be at least equal to the M5, my theory is that it's probably a quicker M5 to 100 and that's it.. Just like GT63S, which is quicker to 100 than E63, but pretty much the same after that. But again we'll have to wait for magazines to properly test them. My expectations were to high for this thing, let's hope it doesn't disappoint.
@@snffz3492 It's exactly what I mean. I've just watched a video where it does exactly that. I didn't expect it. I expected it to do a lot better. Either something was wrong with the car they used, the driver didn't give the car maximum acceleration or the claims just aren't true. I'd like to see quite a few acceleration tests so we can get an accurate repeatable result, not just take the result for one or two tests. With the M5 and E63S, some drag races the AMG won and some the M car.
Really? I'm curious because I have the F90 M5 (reg) but would consider the M8 Comp but if it's not giving me a better driving experience than say the M5 Comp I would go for the M5 Comp. I'll say about the gear shift times that it's unusually slow in the video because my M5 is much quicker, like DC quick.
I'm getting a sense that recent M cars have been a little bit of a compromise perhaps with an exception of the M2 and the M5 Competition. Gone is the day where M car is the definite answer to driving thrill and outright performance.
It's amazing that BMW haven't adressed the noise issue from the 4.4 v8. They went from having the greatest sounding v8 in the bmw m5 e39, substituting it to a Grand Turismo 4 alike sound.
@@fairygodbrother dude thank you.....everyone loves to hate on the new M cars ...but I love all the new ones I've driven ....yes they are different but still badass
I am a huge fan of Steve Sutcliffe. He has the ability to relay what he is feeling in the driver's seat, to the viewer in the Lazy Boy seat. Excellent review it has to be said, but the car? Well, I am not a huge fan of BMW, but then again, I have not had the opportunity to drive one in anger. That said, it seems to me, the electronic masters take away from the joy and involvement of driving. I am a purist at heart.
So in conclusion a big, heavy and quite characterless fast BMW. It’s been that way for a while now. There hasn’t been a great M car since the early 2000s. But due to emissions and safety regulations it’s understandable. They’re not miracle workers after all. And we’re at the sunset of the petrol engined drivers car anyway. My enthusiasm has moved onto the classic car world, while it’s still legal to drive them anyway. Most modern cars are not that much fun anymore. It’s why I purchase Thoroughbred & Classic Cars now rather than Car magazine and Autocar which were my staples for decades! All the talk nowadays (again understandable) is about electric cars, but they just bore me silly!
these sport versions of the normal street cars become with each generation less exciting, less noise, and instead adding more comfort, more regulations, more build in safety modes etc. just not great drivers cars anymore.
In other words it's a track monster tons of grip and quit so u do think your going as fast as you are until u look at the dash u shoulda drive it like u stole it all that confidence it gave u that 2 ton beast
I will never forgive BMW for not putting a V12 in this car. Between the fabled history of the 850Csi and legendary M8 prototype, a twin-turbo V8 would never be appropriate for anything but the lower trim models. Oh well. It's just a bigger, heavier, more expensive M6.
kyrix1st I couldn’t agree more. I don’t understand why people are so hyped on the ZF 8sp in all the new M cars. The torque converter just robs more power before it gets to the wheels, unlike the DCT.
He complains about an M car not oversteering but he never removed the 4 wheel drive. Yes he said that they didn't allow him to, but then why does he complain about it, anyway. It is obvious that when you put the rear wheel drive the car acts like a tradisitonal m car but you also no whave the profits of 4 wheel drive. This alone is a win win condition.
I mean yeah, but if you don't want a two tonne car, buy one which doesn't weigh two tonnes. I've never understood why motor journalists always seem surprised when a beefed up luxury saloon feels heavy.... It's a beefed up luxury saloon, not a Lotus.
@@factswithirbaz4480 we all know u have dreams with switching the m to amg , but than when u wake up u do not have the courage because of M fan peer pressure :P :))
As a BMW fan and multiple owner I find this car underwhelming. If it was a refined 6 series maybe it was going to be that impactful. Its just too simple for a come back.
@RealCapo88 I'm saying the same thing, it doesn't compete with a 911 at all. However BMW would like you to think it does. I quote: " In fact Markus Flasch, recently-appointed head of BMW M, says it's being described as a "Porsche Turbo killer" in waiting."
90% of the people who afford these cars don't go around drifting them: so i really don't take it to heart whether car journalists like or hate a car because it doesn't oversteer 🙄
He’s right about more M in the M8. Used to work at Bmw and drive a lot of them. All that to say M cars have that certain quality, whether it be strength, power, w.e you want to call it but the M cars should be completely distinguishable in experience from the regular BMWs, almost intimidating.
Nowhere near. Too heavy. Too big. Too cumbersome. It has the power and the brakes, but it would be licked on a track, and even more devastated on a tight B-road.
"Sophisticated car"; sophisticated maintenance bills to boot! 😎. I guess if you can afford the car, you can afford the bills. Too many bells & whistles for me. I miss the days of having a "Bilstein Suspension", getting in the car; throw it in drive & GO! The older Bummers & Porsches: PRICELESS!
Mate.... it’s not a track car! The people at BMW didn’t want it to be that. Wow I do wonder about you testers. You all like to think you are F1 drivers.
I think its a disappointment, should have had atleast 700hp, faster gearbox and should be atleast 100kgs lighter than a M5. Doesnt jutify the price premium over a M5 especially considering it has a very similar interior and exact powertrain. More Gt cruiser than super/sports car. Bentley seems to be a better buy at the price.
The M8 kinda has a boring sounding engine imo. Other than that, I don’t see anything wrong with it. It’s a super sports sedan, it’s not gonna perform like a super car.
Fast, competent, expensive/exclusive and attractive (but certainly not beautiful in my eyes), it is also more complex than ever - something BMW is extremely bad at managing as a "product". Just got rid of a 2016 228i that, after only the first year, started to rack up all kinds of problems, ranging from just annoying to dangerous (it would put itself in Park at a light - in LA traffic!). Never again. The M8 could come with a bundle of cash in the trunk and I'd still not buy it. I don't want to know even more details than I already do about my service manager's kids. The 3rd and last Beemer for me. This level of performance, too, is largely academic, anyway. For the 99%, there is no way to use it all on public roads, even if you're alone. If this is another indicator of where this class of car is going, I'm not interested. No wonder more old, analog cars are shooting up in price. They're actually fun to drive and more engaging, overall.
"what car have you got mate?"
"BMW M8"
oh M8 :D
@@NobbyScott it's gr8 m8
@@XAVR_ I r8, 8/8.
Does it master ba8
You dont prounonce it "mate", you say M - eight... i am from sweden so i know this
"It feels like a seriously sporty GT " Because that's what it is.
Well, M boss have a different saying actually..." a Porsche turbo killer.."😏
So not a proper M car then?
@@izskos4021 guess not... currently best M car now is M2 & hopefully the upcoming new M3 & M4..
Steve Sutcliffe is a legend. One of the few car journalist that can actually drive a car with skill, years of experience and natural talent.
but he does sound like Chris Harris especially the whispering parts. That's kind of gay
Cheslyn Owens and commentary to match
He is an idiot, I haven't seen a more disgusting person than him, who is he to talk about German cars, especially sports versions as they are, generally all English journalists are so horrible and antipathetic, they hate German cars horribly.
@@casanova6283 Better than 99% of the so-called journalists that receive corporate money and write applause all the time. When he actually likes a car I can relate to it. This isn't BMW M's best efforts (like most of their cars lately) and Sutcliffe knows it.
this guy really is one of the best reviewers in the world.
Imagine this car came out in 2010 or something it would have a v12 or at least a v10
@@jafooli R8 secondhand market is like a bargain bin. Saving my pennies right now
Just get a M6 ;)
Adam Chase You have an M6
Don't think the number of cylinders matters. Important is the sofistication of the engine and the general setup of the car. All reviewers of the Ford GT praise it's rawness and racey feeling, and it's a six cylinder like F1 cars.
People are really down on this car, keep calling it a mustang? I don’t see the comparison what so ever, I personally think it’s beautiful.
It's just too soft and too boring. The original M8 had the engine straight out of the McLaren F1, and the 850Csi had a detuned McLaren F1 engine. This has.... a slightly faster version of BMW's ubiquitous 4.4l TT V8. And, to top it all off, it's mated to a rather slowly torque converter auto instead of a dual clutch. The powertrain is what lets the car down, not the styling.
@@flyingphoenix113 lol so you expect them to put a heavy V12 in it?
@@flyingphoenix113 on point
@@redvivid, sure, and make it into the GT it was meant to be while they're at it. It's in this weird area between sports and GT presently, and cars which straddle the gap tend not to do well.
I’ve literally heard nobody call it a Mustang.
These look amazing in person, sleek whilst also being very aggressive and purposeful
They should've released the Competition later with M760li's V12, tuned to provide more power
I'm glad it was Steve who did this review for the m8
The moment Steve Sutcliffe starts his voiceover, you know you’ll watch this video to the end.
wanna see Sutcliffe on the collecting cars podcast
crossandshoot hear
Looks amazing
it is a 2 tones GT sport car not a hardcore sports supercar and it is superb for what its made for. The M4 will be more of a sport.
The M8 will probably do the oversteery hooligan thing when you switch to the 2WD mode, which as Sutcliffe said, was not possible in this brief drive.
Which is really dumb because you are always carrying the extra weight of 4WD even in 2WD mode. M8 should be about motorsport and extremes, not an up-suited M850i.
@@kyrix1st how much extra weight does the 4wd add?
I'm a Mercedes guy and own a 2019 C300 facelift, but I love this BMW 8 😘🥰
Which is your favourite bit of disappointing plastic in your Mercedes interior? Mercedes has been killing it at that game over the last five years or so. :D
@@samharper5881
I have the AMG interior and exterior with AMG line, I wish I could show you a picture. The C-class has quality interior parts, of course it isn't like the S-class who has leather over the entire interior unfortunately.
Awesome car from BMW!!!
Really like this spec too!!!
I love this car but the claims it's quicker than the M5 Comp are laughable. it's over 100kgs heavier and has the same engine and running gear. It's scientifically impossible for it to be quicker. Motorsport magazine did a 0-200kph run and the M8 Comp too a shade over 12s. The standard M5 has done the same sprint in the 10s so the myth is debunked.
There's no way M8 does a 12 sec 200km if that's what you mean. It should be at least equal to the M5, my theory is that it's probably a quicker M5 to 100 and that's it.. Just like GT63S, which is quicker to 100 than E63, but pretty much the same after that. But again we'll have to wait for magazines to properly test them. My expectations were to high for this thing, let's hope it doesn't disappoint.
@@snffz3492 It's exactly what I mean. I've just watched a video where it does exactly that. I didn't expect it. I expected it to do a lot better. Either something was wrong with the car they used, the driver didn't give the car maximum acceleration or the claims just aren't true. I'd like to see quite a few acceleration tests so we can get an accurate repeatable result, not just take the result for one or two tests. With the M5 and E63S, some drag races the AMG won and some the M car.
Motorsport mag had two passengers
Really? I'm curious because I have the F90 M5 (reg) but would consider the M8 Comp but if it's not giving me a better driving experience than say the M5 Comp I would go for the M5 Comp. I'll say about the gear shift times that it's unusually slow in the video because my M5 is much quicker, like DC quick.
Excellent honest review!
Wow I haven’t heard Steve’s voice in forever. What a relief
I think the point has been missed a bit, why 4 wheel drive on a track? I’m sure in 2 wheel drive the smiles will come.
I don’t care what this review says, I want it
As you should. A tune and a complete exhaust will do wonders for this V8 M8
I'm getting a sense that recent M cars have been a little bit of a compromise perhaps with an exception of the M2 and the M5 Competition. Gone is the day where M car is the definite answer to driving thrill and outright performance.
The M8 GTE is the best looking M8 . Such a shame it’s not road legal
yungdadi Truee!!! But they might come out with one
@@calebmor6830 fingers crossed
It's amazing that BMW haven't adressed the noise issue from the 4.4 v8. They went from having the greatest sounding v8 in the bmw m5 e39, substituting it to a Grand Turismo 4 alike sound.
MrJwerge emission laws
@@hundobigmothertrucker well these emmions laws didn't affect mercedes or Audi, making v8 engines sounding a lot better
@@MrJwerge Audi is making a diesel S6 while Mercedes only relies on pops and bangs to make their cars sound cool lol
@RealCapo88 RS7 is very overpriced and slow though.
My favourite Car Journalist 👌
Those were a lot of complaints for what is BMWs fastest car ever produced. It looks nice, but the competition (no pun intended) isn't concerned.
m2 competition remains the best M car, quite ironic since its the entry m car
The M2 is the only true M car BMW makes
Its like Porsches Cayman/Boxster. More fun to drive than big brother 911.
M2 is so cool
Out of curiosity which M cars have you driven ?
@@fairygodbrother dude thank you.....everyone loves to hate on the new M cars ...but I love all the new ones I've driven ....yes they are different but still badass
If you want oversteer then use 4wd sport
Stunning car. I was lucky to see it a couple times on the road and it's stunning. Definitely beautiful.
I am a huge fan of Steve Sutcliffe. He has the ability to relay what he is feeling in the driver's seat, to the viewer in the Lazy Boy seat. Excellent review it has to be said, but the car? Well, I am not a huge fan of BMW, but then again, I have not had the opportunity to drive one in anger. That said, it seems to me, the electronic masters take away from the joy and involvement of driving. I am a purist at heart.
This car looks deadly
So in conclusion a big, heavy and quite characterless fast BMW. It’s been that way for a while now. There hasn’t been a great M car since the early 2000s. But due to emissions and safety regulations it’s understandable. They’re not miracle workers after all. And we’re at the sunset of the petrol engined drivers car anyway.
My enthusiasm has moved onto the classic car world, while it’s still legal to drive them anyway. Most modern cars are not that much fun anymore. It’s why I purchase Thoroughbred & Classic Cars now rather than Car magazine and Autocar which were my staples for decades! All the talk nowadays (again understandable) is about electric cars, but they just bore me silly!
David Datura 100% agree with you
Oh. So, it feels exactly like what it precisely is and not exactly like what it isn’t.
This car looks so gorgeous in person.
these sport versions of the normal street cars become with each generation less exciting, less noise, and instead adding more comfort, more regulations, more build in safety modes etc. just not great drivers cars anymore.
In other words it's a track monster tons of grip and quit so u do think your going as fast as you are until u look at the dash u shoulda drive it like u stole it all that confidence it gave u that 2 ton beast
You should do a comparison between the M850i & the M8 competition to see if the M8 is worth it
I will never forgive BMW for not putting a V12 in this car. Between the fabled history of the 850Csi and legendary M8 prototype, a twin-turbo V8 would never be appropriate for anything but the lower trim models. Oh well. It's just a bigger, heavier, more expensive M6.
You know it is smaller than M6?
Looking at 4:25, the ZF gearbox is a clear downgrade to the M-DCT of M6.
kyrix1st I couldn’t agree more. I don’t understand why people are so hyped on the ZF 8sp in all the new M cars. The torque converter just robs more power before it gets to the wheels, unlike the DCT.
Those gear changes at bizarrely slow for a modern sports car
You can adjust the shift speed maybe he didn't have it at the fastest speed.
@@jamviator He did. ZF 8 speed in high torque application is just slow.
Most gorgeous car on the planet. BMW is really hitting it out of the park.
Why Don t they put v12's anymore?
He complains about an M car not oversteering but he never removed the 4 wheel drive. Yes he said that they didn't allow him to, but then why does he complain about it, anyway. It is obvious that when you put the rear wheel drive the car acts like a tradisitonal m car but you also no whave the profits of 4 wheel drive. This alone is a win win condition.
BMW M8 vs Mercedes Benz S63 AMG needs to happen!
What’s wrong with Steve this time (other than the intro)? His review is not as usual! Am I the only one observing that?
Maybe he is getting old??
How much costs the BMW m8
"come on oversteer" does this guy even know that you can switch the car to only RWD?
I thought that too.
I mean yeah, but if you don't want a two tonne car, buy one which doesn't weigh two tonnes. I've never understood why motor journalists always seem surprised when a beefed up luxury saloon feels heavy.... It's a beefed up luxury saloon, not a Lotus.
Sadly the handbrake is being replaced by electronic brakes
S 63 coupe for me.
I was really impressed with the M850i, not so much with this...
Knowing BMW they will come out with a cs version and GTS version the only prob is that the competition models used to be special and now they arent
He was Trying to Say “ i d love this m8 to sound like an Amg “ but it would have been inappropriate
I think you didn't hear him. He already said it don't sound like the previous M cars.
@@factswithirbaz4480 But i think, deep in his heart, he wanted to say he wanted to sound like an amg :p
This is the problem of AMG and AMG fan boys they only lives in imagination not in reality😂😂😂
@@factswithirbaz4480 we all know u have dreams with switching the m to amg , but than when u wake up u do not have the courage because of M fan peer pressure :P :))
Again you showed your imaginary world which don't exist. You again proved my words in a row. 😂😂😂
As a BMW fan and multiple owner I find this car underwhelming. If it was a refined 6 series maybe it was going to be that impactful. Its just too simple for a come back.
Put it in rwd if you want it to oversteer
Lol he didn't like the M3 because it let him get the rear out. He doesn't like the M8 because it doesn't let him get the rear out....
He loves the new g80 m3 competition though
YES M8 !
Being 2 tonnes is a problem for this car
It's no heavier than any other luxury GT car. In fact it's quite a bit lighter than a few of it's rivals, despite being a porker :)
BMW website says it weighs 1,885kg, not 2 tonnes.
@@stubones fair call, but BMW thinks it competes with a Porsche 911. The weight of the car alone puts it in a different category
@@DanielSadjadian not sure where the reviewer got his information from then
@RealCapo88 I'm saying the same thing, it doesn't compete with a 911 at all. However BMW would like you to think it does. I quote: " In fact Markus Flasch, recently-appointed head of BMW M, says it's being described as a "Porsche Turbo killer" in waiting."
90% of the people who afford these cars don't go around drifting them: so i really don't take it to heart whether car journalists like or hate a car because it doesn't oversteer 🙄
First it was chris...then it was matt Farah...now it is Steve says M cars has lost their touch..😏
Bmw still getting the sound of engine and exhaust wrong... very disappointing for all the bmw enthusiasts
He’s right about more M in the M8. Used to work at Bmw and drive a lot of them. All that to say M cars have that certain quality, whether it be strength, power, w.e you want to call it but the M cars should be completely distinguishable in experience from the regular BMWs, almost intimidating.
My m6 competition edition, Austin yellow is very nice too, I will add m8 to my collection
BEAST...
Put it in rear drive and I bet you can make it oversteer.
And stock rear brake caliper.
Disappointing. Save some money and go for the regular 8 models...
Oversteer in 2WD Mode!
Stock exhaust can't be that loud in Europe due to OPF restrictions!
Not an impressive review!
The difference is that the f1 McLaren was around 300 kg less and it s from the early 90's
300kg less? Jajajajaja.I think is around 800kg less!!!!
Another car for the American market.
Would smoke an rs7 performance but r8 v10 would probably win :/
This car is fantastic but the interior is nothing special. BMW has been bested by Audi and Merc in recent years time to step it up
Jerome M Muriuki Audi, everything is touch. And Mercedes has this big ugly screen.
Sutcliffe / so much time for him as I do for Harris. The gods.
"Endless money pit." Scotty Kilmer...
No roadcar will ever have more HP than the McLaren F1 625. Dodge Demon, hold my beer.
This thing will over steer gladly. Just take it off of 4WD Sport, and put it on 2WD.
Is it faster than R8 plus 2019??
Yes. You idiot. LOL
Nowhere near. Too heavy. Too big. Too cumbersome. It has the power and the brakes, but it would be licked on a track, and even more devastated on a tight B-road.
LOVE YOU BMW sooo much 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
A car like this needs the rude sound of a V10 at least
"Sophisticated car"; sophisticated maintenance bills to boot! 😎. I guess if you can afford the car, you can afford the bills. Too many bells & whistles for me. I miss the days of having a "Bilstein Suspension", getting in the car; throw it in drive & GO! The older Bummers & Porsches: PRICELESS!
I like it a lot.
That’s one expensive M5.
And one with useless rear seats as well
Exactly, same engine as the M5 competition, overpriced IMO
Mate.... it’s not a track car! The people at BMW didn’t want it to be that. Wow I do wonder about you testers. You all like to think you are F1 drivers.
I know why you didn't like the sound because your on eco mode
Buy a second hand one year old M5 save lots of £££ a far more practical but still seriously fast road car....
BMW M8 isn't BMW's fastest car, it kind of is though but, it is the McLaren F1 because it uses a BMW engine.
Anyone else getting a Camaro/Mustang vibe from the rear 3/4 panel
It sounds like the M8 is sorted not to throw you and you are complaining? Come on Steve!
Steve one of my favorites...but he’s definitely forcing it to like it 🤷♂️
I think its a disappointment, should have had atleast 700hp, faster gearbox and should be atleast 100kgs lighter than a M5. Doesnt jutify the price premium over a M5 especially considering it has a very similar interior and exact powertrain. More Gt cruiser than super/sports car. Bentley seems to be a better buy at the price.
M850i surely is the better choice. Or a sportscar if you actually are into track driving.
The M8 kinda has a boring sounding engine imo. Other than that, I don’t see anything wrong with it. It’s a super sports sedan, it’s not gonna perform like a super car.
Flared wheel arches?? Where ?? Flat as a pancake mate
Looking at the video, this dude definitely wasn’t driving it full beans
I think the Taycan is cooler
Fast, competent, expensive/exclusive and attractive (but certainly not beautiful in my eyes), it is also more complex than ever - something BMW is extremely bad at managing as a "product". Just got rid of a 2016 228i that, after only the first year, started to rack up all kinds of problems, ranging from just annoying to dangerous (it would put itself in Park at a light - in LA traffic!). Never again. The M8 could come with a bundle of cash in the trunk and I'd still not buy it. I don't want to know even more details than I already do about my service manager's kids. The 3rd and last Beemer for me.
This level of performance, too, is largely academic, anyway. For the 99%, there is no way to use it all on public roads, even if you're alone. If this is another indicator of where this class of car is going, I'm not interested. No wonder more old, analog cars are shooting up in price. They're actually fun to drive and more engaging, overall.
Iff you mean me, M5 F90 Comp.
0 to 60 in 3.1 ( in hot weather). 3.0 doable imo.
You welcome
You want oversteer? Switch to 2 wheel drive you dxxx sxxx!
What a car ☠️☠️☠️