Language Connection Between Asia and the Americas? -- The Dené-Yeniseian Language Family Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2020
- This is literally a reading of an essay I wrote in 2018 for college, discussing the most probable linguistic connection between the Americas and the Old World, thus making it a Video Essay.
Works Cited
Flegontov, Pavel, et al. “Genomic Study of the Ket: a Paleo-Eskimo-Related Ethnic Group with Significant Ancient North Eurasian Ancestry.” Nature News, Nature Publishing Group, 11 Feb. 2016, www.nature.com/articles/srep20768.
Vajda, Edward J. “Tone and Phoneme in Ket.” Academia.edu - Share Research, www.academia.edu/3749920/Tone_....
Crippen, James A. “Lingít Yoo X̱ʼatángi.” A Grammar of the Tlingit Language, 2015, tlingitlanguage.com/wp-content....
The Dene-Yeniseian Connection. www2.hawaii.edu/~lylecamp/Campbell Yeniseian NaDene review 11-2-10.pdf.
“English Ket Dictionary Online.” Glosbe, glosbe.com/en/ket.
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As a Navajo looking where our ancestor come from is interesting, no wonder why we love the cold winters.
Díí zę́ę́díí mongolia
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Right behind you there brother and i'm Otomi from Mexico City .. a study on pre contact Nahuatl(huastec) shows that Tlingit and Nahuatl are actually releated. the only reason ppl think Nahuatl is not is because it's 'classical' nahutl being examined. Classical Nahautl is not the Nahuatl that the pre-colonial Nahuatl people spoke.
But - ATL, -TE(prefix), -AHUITZ etc are just the many words that bond these langauges. But that's just nahuatl .. Mixtec also shows similarities too.
That's why when White Mexicans from Zacatecas Monterrey ask what Asian nationality I am , i don't say latin, hispanic, chicano, ... I just say .. I'm Eastern Yenesian .. Haplogroup Q.
Brothers!
Funny you mention it, my patrilineal ancestors were Q haplotype Swedes, much like the haplotype of Native Americans. So there you have another set of cousins that seemed to like the cold. :D
I don't know how if yall are as annoyed by the sound of breathing as I am, but I literally clipped out every breath I took, for my own personal sanity, so you're welcome. ;)
I would love to hear your breath, because that means you're alive.
And if you're alive, then you are making the world greater.
Clipping out (rather than muting) the breaths in one's speaking makes videos and podcasts essentially unlistenable, as the sentences all run together without pause. There is a reason why we take breaths at the end of sentences, and it's not only to get oxygen; it also gives listeners a moment to fully absorb what has just been said.
Whilst I'm not a linguist, I find the consonant count to be inconclusive for the discussion on whether these languages form a family. For instance; amongst Indo-European languages, Lithuanian has 45 consonants and another, Modern Greek, has 18 consonant sounds (with the rest of the IndEuro langauges running the gamut in between). Just not really a conclusive way of measuring in my uneducated opinion.
yeah i kind of feel similarly. i'm interested to see how future hypotheses of phonemic evolution in languages model for this kind of thing. because it seems completely plausible to me that certain aspects of speech become phonemic over others. like how Old Chinese went from insane consonant clusters to the modern Sinitic languages smoothing over those with the evolution of tones.
likewise Ket (also keep in mind its sadly the only really extant Yeniseian language, we undoubtedly lost tons of other valuable information due to extinction) may have either simplified its consonant inventory or Navajo expanded its. they are so divorced from each other by time and space that any number of things could have happened, not to mention substrate influence or exchange with other languages
This is soooo interesting, because I am a DenéSułiné person. I don’t think you’re wrong at all. I knew that my ancestors might have came from around the Russian area. Our people split in half. Because my people decided to stay in North America (Canada) because there is resources to live off the land, and the other half wanted to go south for medicines or something like that. But haven’t been seen since. At least I think that’s how the story goes. I actually got chills from watching this video. Lol and I also accidentally came across your video, and I ain’t mad about it! Thanks for sharing. Now imma share it to my Facebook. Hehe
Interesting, being a Jicarilla Apache myself (think of it like.. a grandson I guess?) We have a very similar story, but it's describing how the Navajo and the Apache's divided themselves.
We have a similar story about how people decided to move up north which we call Nadiné and some moved to other directions aka the Apache and Hupa.
It's intriguing to discover that the Siberian tribe Ket shares the same genetic marker, known as haplogroup Q, with Native Americans. Haplogroups are like genetic family tags that help us trace our ancestry. Despite the vast geographical distances and thousands of years that separate Native Americans from Siberian tribe Ket, this shared link tells us that both peoples have ancient roots in common.
Haplogroups evolve slowly over generations, much like chapters in our shared genetic history book. This connection isn't just a curiosity; it's a testament to the remarkable human migration that took place across the Bering land bridge thousands of years ago. This genetic bridge spans continents and millennia, reminding us that we're all part of a larger human story.
So, when we see both Siberians and Native Americans carrying the Q haplogroup, it's like finding a genetic thread that ties unexpected populations together, connecting two corners of the world. It's a testament to the enduring legacy of ancestors and the shared history that binds us.
The very first human genetic group, called L0, originated in Africa and represents the earliest known line of our human family tree. The L0 haplogroup, which represents the earliest human genetic lineage, is believed to have originated in what is now modern-day Botswana in southern Africa.
most of the separations happen because of conflicts, like surnames, this two branches probably had something to fight over and they decided to separate or one lost and moved on.
Nizhóní Shi Kiis Ahéhee..."Beautiful my friend thank you". This video was rad. I see similarities between my people the Dine' and our distant cuzzns of Siberia/Mongolia all the time. Not just language but religion and how they live/eat is very similar to Navajos.
There is also a proposal that the Algonquian and Wakashan languages are related to Nivkh languages spoken in the Amur River Basin. As of now the Nivkh languages are considered to be an isolate with less than 200 native speakers.
The funny thing is that as a Navajo speaker I find that we can understand our Northern relatives better than vice versa. I have spoken to a Slavey speaker and it seems I understand them better than vice versa.
What makes this really interesting to me is that the Yenisei people are a strong candidate for the actual identity of the Huns. And the common words for "king" and "god" across the Eurasian Steppes may have also been coined by the Yeniseians.
Man if Hunnic had survived in some written records... This would make it so much easier to prove.
Huns were almost certainly Tungusic and / or Yeniseian.
No, they were turkic, not tungusic
"words for "king" and "god" across the Eu" ... nope mate, that is what you think or hope so. But IT IS NOT. This is PROVABLE
@@beautyluster NEITHER "Scythian" NOR Dene-Yenisei were or are TURKIC.
"Náneeskaadí" is the word for flat bread in Navajo. I was blown away one time eating in a Tibetan resturant and they had the exact same kind of bread that Navajos eat and they called it "Naan"
I'm surprised u never tried naan before going to Tibet LOL 😂
In India, naan is also the word. I remember some Tibetans told me years ago that they believe Tibetans went to the Americas many centuries ago and that Indigenous Americans are the same people as them.
@@wondergupta semms to be a lot of therories to wear we come from,,, instead of just listinging to us
@Destinee Tibetans mean no harm. They just are sharing their own folk histories, as unreliable as those might be its what they were told.
Naan in Tibetan and Chinese means Central Asian/South Asian style flatbread. The word probably comes from an Indo-European language, probably with the same origin as "pan" in Spanish. If the Navajo language separated from its possible relatives in Asia before or during the neolithic age, before bread existed in East Eurasia, then this is just a coincidence :)
Thanks for sharing! My roommate is actually doing his masters studying Gwich’in here in Fairbanks. He studied Ket with Vajda, and he says that the Dene Yeniseian language hypothesis is most probable. Maybe I can put you in touch with him!
Yeah, that would be awesome! You can email me at nguhmail@gmail.com
What no Koyukon? Or middle Yukon? LOL!
Gwich'in descendent here. I want to learn more about my ancestors. Any links?
There is a much stronger language connection in two Dene languages, other than what you mention here. You suggest Tlingit and Navajo, however I am told by a Northern Tutchone friend from the Yukon of a meeting between two elders: one a Northern Tutchone Elder and the other a Navajo Elder. Apparently there were several words that virtually identical. I love that there is a video on this subject. I am fascinated by any evidence that shows that the first people of North America have been here a LONG time.
Not surprising they would be related languages. Consider another "proof". There are Mongolian people and Siberia who dress much the same traditionally as do the Athabaskans and coastal people of Alaska. the traditional dress and some of the customs are very alike.
This will be proven by real time.
Half Navajo and half chinese here🖐
50 years ago I saw many simularities between the indigenous people in northern Scandinavia, Siberia and Americas. But as a kid in those times I found it hard to get the information. But I've always thought they had the same origin and had wandered off in different directions. Now we can prove everything with dna
They are totally related all.
I’m koyukon Athabascan- my people come from Kaltag, Alaska. We speak Denaakk’e and it’s so funny that you mentioned the words ka. My brothers name is John and he was always getting into stuff so after awhile his name became Johnka lmao my phone capitalizes the J too! Lol 😂
i loved this video! my native language (a dravidian language) also has similarities with navajo, i began my research after beginning to learn navajo as a 5th language & noticing the similarities
If Dravidian is found to be genetically linked to Dene-Yeniseian, linguist's heads would explode, especially after their less successful attempts to connect Dravidian with Elamite.
@@pentelegomenon1175 linguists would all implode so hard a black hole would be made, causing the entire field to just... stop existing.
As a Dravidian speaker, did you ever study any Uralic languages like Hungarian and if so have you noticed any similarities?
This is fascinating, I love learning about these kind of things, but lots of online resources are a bit,,, convoluted, and this was very clear! Thank you
I was aware of the Inuit-Yupik-Unangan family (aka the "Eskimo-Aleut" family) spanning the Bering Strait, but I wasn't aware that there was another claim of languages that spanned that geographic region. It's even more interesting to me bc I studied indigenous languages under Margaret "Peggy" Speas, who is a world-expert in Navajo, which is itself a Na-Dene language.
That said, I do want to point out that the Inuit-Yupik-Unangan langauges *do* in fact span a huge geographic region: they span from the eastern regions of Siberia (i.e. the Chachki Peninsula) across northern North America all the way to *Greenland* w/ Kalaalisut, an indigenous Unangan language in Greenland. Also in that class w/ Peggy Speas was a grad student who specialized in long-distance agreement (i.e. agreement that crosses clausal boundaries, which is quite rare cross-linguistically), & it seemed the old grammar I was working from indicated that Kalaalisut may also have LDA. I haven't followed up w/ her research in the last few years tho, & Peggy Speas has now retired. But there's still a *lot* of work to be done on indigenous American languages yet.
I enjoyed your video. My peopl are dee-ni speakers, we’re Southern Athabaskan .
The Southern dialect of Tlingit seem to be more closely related to Ket than the Northern dialect.
The Southern Tongass Tlingit record village sites 120 meters below the existing sea level.
Those villages predate the Ket and Tungusic. The living legend tells of western migration from those villages after the ocean rose to current levels.
Mahsi for sharing! I love this information you shared and I strongly believe it coincides with the Dene creation or twin hero stories stories/godi
there also exists uralo siberian
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralo-Siberian_languages
Yes I am navajo. I am always looking into intriguing..
And the Eskimos(Inuits And Yupiks) And Aleuts arrived later then The Amerindians aka First Nations
They arrived around 4000 years ago, that is still a very long time ago.
I hope that someone comes up with the evidence that the Burushaski language is related to Dené-Yeneseian family. Burushaski is highly synthetic and the 2 person prefix is gu- or ku- which is similar to Ket go-!
Some linguists (e.g. George van Driem and Vaclav Blazek) have classified Burushaski as related to Yeniseian. That isn't altogether implausible- IIRC some geneticists have talked about gene flow from Siberia into the Indian subcontinent in the early Holocene via the Inner Asian Mountain Corridor (where the Burusho now live)
@@patrik421 fascinating topic, some propose a connection between Uralic and Dravidian and it's just boggles me beyond belief how for both language families the number four is based on "näl"
@@mysteriousDSF I am of the opinion that Dravidian languages used to have a far greater geographic extent in prehistory.
I'm Inuk and Irish-Basque and I'm originally from Canada. I'm amazed at the similarities across various distant ancient languages. They work more similarly to each other than any of them do in comparison with English or other Indo-European languages. Very fascinating.
The land bridge hypothesis is not widely accepted in the science community, it is outdated now; the theorys of travel by sea are much for favored among archaeologists and anthropologists now
Source?
Its consistent with my daughters clan stories.
@@jestamora5464 maybe some did!
its still the same area does not matter how the migration happened either way the biggest migrations happened in or near beringia whether by sea or land doesn't really matter
i imagine if both were feasible routes then both happened, one way or another. it seems like different routes of passage would favor different cultures based on their technology so i can imagine several different even concurrent waves of migration into the Americas.
Any resources to learn Eyak or Ket?
Yáh'áh'téh greetings from the Navajo Nation
@Warrior Lord lol... Hello warrior lord I haven't got the slightest idea but some people do say it did some Middle Eastern or Hebrew but you can TH-cam it Navajo language and you can tell me if it does sound like it
@Warrior Lord let me know
In my Ket language we say Ahyadaha for saying how are you and Ahahlauhneha when speaking to close friends and family.
@@teovu5557 we don't have a work to say how are you
@@oso8146 in my language it is literally mean Is it good/well/great but I translate it as how are you since it makes more sense to english speakers.
Look into the separation story from the Dene people
Where does Lyle Campbell, based out of Honolulu (?), link the language to? Isreal?
Hahaha, he links it to nothing; his goal was to show that the Dene-Yeniseian connection was more tenuous than Vajda claimed.
Have thought the same.... Was recently doing some research and ran across Ume (one of the Saami languages) - and was struck by some of the similarities with Navajo (Athabaskan). Would love to hear your thoughts. Hope u keep up your studies!
50 years ago I saw many simularities between the indigenous people in northern Scandinavia, Siberia and Americas. But as a kid in those times I found it hard to get the information. But I've always thought they had the same origin and had wandered off in different directions. Now we can prove everything with dna 👍
Athabaskan is a Turkish word.
The singers at the start said ɲə instead of ŋə
The family tree at 1:17 isnt correct for Apachean. Lipan is closely related to Jicarilla rather than Kiowa-Apache. Navajo should be connected to Western Apache. Chiricahua should be connected to Mescalero instead of Western Apache.
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"Yattay", I'm Navajo. From Arizona, i haven't bothered using the Navajo alphabet. But the phonetically correct use of the English Alphabet.
I'm willing to use my DNA, and other's i know will be willing to donate. If we could get Yeniseian culture and people and language to America. We could do a deep dive with this hypothesis. The Navajo should open their doors to all relatives and we would. I've been on this note for a long time. Particularly with Mongolian people's displaced by communism. If we can bridge the gap. The Navajo would too ensure the preservation of all relatives and their culture, no matter the distance.
The white man is very afraid that this relationship will come to light.
@TUNC66 Americans and Western Europeans claim that the Navajo/Apache are descendants of the Steppes, like the Huns, Mongols and other Turkik and Siberian Cultures. Possibly as far as Yeniseian and Tibetan peoples as well. The Political and Humanitarian Implications could be ground breaking. Allowing Tibetan, Yeniseian, Mongols, Siberians and many other peoples refuge to simply just escape authoritarianism alone would be something Modern Navajos would feel obligated to do.
@@stasylumbassist1 My friend, I am a Turk, this subject attracts the attention of me and many Turks, the reason why it attracts our attention is that there are many similarities in the way of life, dressing style, and even some of the words of Native Americans and Turks are similar.Hungarians are already of our blood.I am researching the locals of Athabaskan these days. Did you know that Athabaskan is a Turkish word, yes it is a real Turkish language.These similarities surprise me incredibly.Kind regards.
@@stasylumbassist1
Can I ask you something? Are you Native American?
@TUNC66 someday soon i hope the truth is fully exposed and the international community can find a way to respect another multinational community much like the British and their ex-colonials.
Interesting 👄✨🤗✨👍👍
Athabaskan Turkish: Atabaşkan This is a Turkish word, It means the leader of a clan!..
It may also be evidence that Indians are of Central Asian origin. It has a similar meaning in Türkiye Turkish. Atatürk/Athaturk: means the ancestor of the Turks
Ataturk. actually means. "father of the Turks ".
@@robertberger4203 father means baba. Ata means wise old man/woman.
@@weakpenguen2024 "Baba " is the casual Turkish word for father but "Ata " is the common Turkic. word for father . and is used in Anatolian Turkish to mean father .
My daughter is born for Tabaaha. Its a Dine clan. I highly suspect her people may have migrated from the mountains in Nepal several worlds agp.
Haitiilaah. 😐🤦♂️
Yadilah🤣. Haplo Q exists.
Every language is related to every language. Linguistics are basically just determining which are closer to which.
I'm Hungarian and I'm very keen on researching the very ancient roots of Hungarian, I see it as we came from the Nganasan but there also seems to be a degree of resemblance with the general region of north-east Asia and beyond - even a bit of Chinese and a bit of Navajo. For example I'm doing Navajo on Duolingo and when they say "with something", for example "chicken with onion", the structure is "chicken onion with", same as in Hungarian; so in Navajo it's "naaahóóhai bitsį’ tł’oh chin bił", whereas in Hungarian you'd say "csirke hagymával", the structure and the bił / -val seem to correspond in a way that rings a bell in my stomach like damn, that feels familiar!
I would like to watch videos in the Navajo language and in the Yenisei language with native speakers.
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Why are they looking at Language and not at myths?
He's a linguist, not an ethnologist
Why do you use that image at minute 12:41 😂😂😂😂
Thats a book for non-English speakers who want to learn the language and are at a very low level
KET stands for "Key English Test", which is the exam you have to take in order to prove that you have an A2 level
oh I know, hahaha, I was wondering how long it would take for somebody to notice that.
@@AgmaSchwa I noticed cause Im a Spaniard and had to that exam when I was a child
Hóla t'áá daats'í 'aanį́į́ 'ádaaní; ła' 'ákódaaníigo t'óó dabiyooch'íid łeh.
Yá'át'ééh shik’èí dóó shidine’è
Yóóóh t'ah aníí adahníí!?
@@jayewhitehat9312 Hóla - ’éí lá biniinaa ’ádishní, "daats’í". Jó saad danilínígíí k’ad ts’ídá t’áá ’óolyéego ’ał’ąą ’ádaadzaa léi’ ’"t’áá daats’í ’aaníí ’ałk’idą́ą́’ t’áá ’ałhídaałt’éé nít’ę́ę́’ hwiinídzinígíí" ’éí nihił béédahodoozįįłgo ayóo la’ nantł’ah.
Not to far fetched. Ak and Russia so close. I see resemblance between Alaskans and Siberian’s same in north China.
You can research Yupics
How about the Aztecs and Mayans? I’m from the (Mescalero Apache / Huichol) tribe from San Carlos Arizona.
@Warrior Lord What you talking about we are not israelites
@@Hidueje don’t interact, he’s a conspiracy theorist. An Afro-centrist.
@Warrior Lord bro there’s no evidence of that BS conspiracy neither linguistic or genetic
Aztecs are different from Mayans in langauge grouping. But Aztec is related to the Hopi language
I'm from Mexico City and am a native Otomi & Nahuatl speaker. Aztec-Mexica are included here w/ the Dene or Athabaskan. The Aztecs aren't really an Uto Aztec, their langauge family is more Athabaskan contray to popular belief. I've spoke with an Ute in Idaho and we did a comparison and he doubted Nahuatl was a real Uto-Aztec. I did a cmparison w/ the Athabaskan languages and more specefically TLINGIT and boom.. the Aztecs are low key a Athabaskan langauge, when they migrated to Meso America there Nahuatl got influenced by Otomi and Mixtec < OTO MANGUEN> . But the infamous TL sound is not found in other Uto Aztecan nor in MesoAmerican, Tlingit uses this strongly. Many other similarites are present in Tlingit and Nahuatl which suggest that the Nahuatl may have came much further North than Utah,
Another anomily is that Ojibwe(ALGIC) is also found in Nahuatl langauge. Michoacan and Michigan mean the same thing , Large Fishing pond, suprisngly Japanese also has similarity word too in MISHUMI KHAN < MEESH UMI KAN> .
Now I don't think Aztec Nahuatl( Not Classical) are directly releated to Ojibwe but more of loan words.
My theory is that Ojibwe influenced Otomi-Toltec and then 500 years later influenced Aztlan Nahuatl... or the Aztlan Mexica had trade w/ Ojibwe in a neutral trading region of Turtle Island.
Mayans, i don't know about htem, but their dialect seems similar to Central Americans.
But in my comparison
The closest phonetical comparison that I can draw parallel to westerners would be between Ute and Aztlan Nahuatl
Ute to me sounds like it's parallel phoentical langauge would be Vietnamese or a
Aztlan Nahuatl to me sounds like a hybrid of Russian and Japanese with the later coming from influence from Mixtec. CHEEKI BREEKI (чики-брики )= Chiquihuite (чики-йитл), SOCHI = XOCHTLI( сочи) , etc
Indeed Aztec and Yenesians are way more closer than you think.
What about similarities in Tengrism and Native American shamanism ?
Same
Tengrism can have polytheistic religion with Tengri as the head God or a monotheistic variety with only Tengri.
While native Americans have spiritual beliefs and animism. Like tengrism. But no gods.
What similarities? Shamanism is almost identical in all places over the world, either it is Africa, Asia or Europe (Saami), it does not account for nothing
There were several other Yenisseian languages in the past , but they went extinct. fairly long ago .
Not that long ago, language oppression by the Russian gov. 😐😑😐
Of the 9 Yenisseaian languages, 3 went extinct 400-300years ago and 4 roughly 100 years ago, another went extinct only in the 50's or 60's leaving just Ket as the sole representative.
3000 miles!? Other countries are closer to Alaska than the Ket are! Mongolia, Korea, China, other parts of Siberia besides the Ket, Japan, etc. are closer to Alaska than the Ket are!
It is possible that Ket-related languages used to be a lot more widespread in North Asia and Central Asia. We can still see the influence in nearby Turkic languages, and it is possible that the Yeniseian languages also contributed to Xiongnu/Hun confederacy and Sino-Tibetan peoples.
@@larshofler8298 Also, hydronymic evidence suggests that Mongolia was once Yeniseian.
the language family is disappearing and has dwindled down to one extant language. It's very likely that the family was more wide-spread long ago. Not only that, but it's possible the 2 related populations migrated in opposite directions. Ket may have only survived to this day because it was spoken by a very isolated people ecologically and geographically, so it could be the very fringes of the former range of Yeniseian languages.
Tanana is in Alaska, not western Cananda. :)
Oh wow, you right! First person in 3 years to mention this, thanks haha
Tartarian language, it seems.
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okay but Dene-Yeniseian-Alteic language family when? :o
Speaking of which, the Yenisei river literally flows out of the Altai mountains.
"Altaic family" is probably more of a sprachbund than a linguistic family. Different languages became similar to each other over time due to contact, migration and assimilation.
When I was in south Korea the Korean people would tell me that I looked Korean they would say you same same as they were but I'm 61% native American and 3% east Asian Siberians I saw Koreans that look native too
FALSE.
It's confusing material thats irritating generations of Navajo speakers. I don't see or hear similarities suggesting proof of evidence to clarify your theory.
It's just a bunch of "maybes" and "I think so.."
even my dad says it's nonsense, if he hears it or says it correctly and gets the correct response back then this white-man's statement is true.
"I can't hear the similarity" isn't good enough argument, I'm afraid.
that's not how language relationships work. English and French are absolutely part of the same language family but i can't understand a fucking thing my french friends say when they speak it to me.
@@dsyy90210 Not mentioning Spanish and Armenian or Hindi for example, superficially they seem completely unrelated which is of course misleading..
The only thing that is ridiculous is that people like you exist.