I always love these videos. '"Easy diy install". Not the easiest job if you have a house full of archaic 80's half seized lockshield valves on all your rads like me. Dead easy if you're lucky enough to have shiny modern trv's on a recently installed system.
Done this myself in August and its not as scary as I thought and had put off since March! Just needed extra TRVs and your 40% off code was awesome saved me £90 :)
We are running 17 radiators with this system, worked out it pays for itself in 12 to 18 months, now we can completely heat individual rooms (you don’t need the room themostats). Saves money as you can heat the room you are using and set times and temps for each room. Gives you total heating control.
@@Tracdooor You are not touching the pipes in the heating (you don't need to drain the system etc), just the controls for the heating on each radiator, so you are just taking the existing old fashioned trv and replacing it with a new Smart trv.
Another great video. I've had the same system in for 1-2 years... it works very very well, great value compared to some of the other systems out there.
Installation looks fairly straight forward. I have a Danfoss 5000 that's gone belly up on my combi. I look on the backplate. 240v connected on the far left and terminals 2 and 3 wired up. If I understand your video I change these to terminals 1 and 3
Drayton wiser is a great system, I sold my very old Honeywell unit and thermostat on ebay and nearly paid for buying this (without TRVs) new. So far i haven't upgraded to TRV, but nice to be able to use Alexa to control the heating and switch on and off away from home
A really cheap option for smart control is also to pop a Sonoff minil2 on the live/switched live to the thermostat in the wiring centre. Let's you get rid of the wall thermostat entirely. Can combine with a temperature sensor in Home Assistant... You can then control heating from any mobile/tablet/wall panel, home or away... And use in automations... Ie auto turn off heating when everyone leaves the house etc.
i have this system, and it has had its issues but controlling it from my phone makes it easy. one suggestion is to add geofencing via ifttt. its free and there are settings already, you can simple click and add. it means when you leave your house, the system goes into away mode, so you dont have to do it manually. once you arrive home it goes out of away mode and the heating will continue to be set to room temps and heat schedule.
Thanks for the great video. I've been looking for a smart heating system for some time and settled on the Wiser system to add to my combi boiler however I have been a little unsure about the installation but your video clears this up plus the 40% off code is hard to resist. I don't have a standard wiring unit as you had in your video but the feed from the boiler just goes to the standard RST1 stat unit that you must have seen loads of. It has a permanent 240V feed with a call for heat connection too. Looking at the wiring diagram it looks like the one channel hub unit will just replace the stat as long as pin 3 has a link to feed 240V. Other than that, it looks pretty straightforward. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, I’ve just taken a Drayton & Zhender thermostat off to measure are compare. The open & closed dimensions are the same 20 & 15mm. They fit each others valves and work fine. As a DIYer I assumed each manufacturer did their own thing. Seems there is a standard. Thanks
Great video! I have the exact same setup - same stats and same boiler so should be a very easy job. Quick question that may know - the 3rd pipe has a red return valve on? What should that be set to? Can't find answers anywhere.
You saved me 250 pounds with this video .Please could you make a video about how to install a wired fuses light timer for outdoor lights T205 7 days and how to set up the light to switch on and off by themselves thanks
What does standard TRV mean? are the thermostats compatible with all TRVs? I have the older danfoss type fitted and want to install the same drayton wiser ones. Many Thanks
Thanks DIY guy. One question on the back plate. I have the same one that comes with the wiser product already in my wall and all wiring is already there. Do i really just pop the wiser hub on and job done? As well, my 2 zones system is controlled by wall thermostats (temperature only), do i leave them on the wall connected to the electricity? Thanks again.
Hello, do the radiators still need to be balanced, given they are now individually controlled, whereas before they would all be on/off at the same time?
Radiators should always be correctly balanced, as there are going to be occasions when all rad valves could be calling for heat, so correct balancing means all the rads warm up together.
Congratulations you explain very well . Please in which part of the Uk do you work . I’m in Birmingham in case you work in the area if we need your services . Cheers
Just one question DIYGuy, I set up the hive system but haven't invested in wireless TRVs yet because I still wouldn't be able to heat the upstairs alone when I needed to because of the rule about one rad(currently our lounge rad), can't have a TRV on it. I would always be heating the lounge unnecessarily if I wanted to warm the upstairs. What's the solution?
1. Then you can't control it away from your house. The system itself works through its own radio network in the house. 2. The batteries last about a year and you get notifications when they are going flat.
1. The Wser system works over it's own Zigbee wireless network which means the system will work even when your internet is down. 2. Depending on how often the TRV actuates will determine battery life. Typically well over 1 year. You can see the battery status (as well as signal strength) of any TRV from the 'Devices' option in the app and the app will also send a notification to your phone if the batteries run out or if the TRV loses connection to the hub (out of range). The range issue can be solved by using a 'smart plug' which also acts as a Zigbee range extender for the system.
I did this a couple of years ago, the difference is that the wiring was a rat's nest of chocolate blocks floating in mid air behind a wooden panel and I had to work out how it all worked from first principles 🤬 I labelled all the wires and fitted them in a WAGO mBox L32 Wiring Centre Junction. The Wiser system has been faultless since 👍
Installed one of these as a replacement to a MiGeni system from same company due to cloud update. However it would not connect unless I was a metre away from the hub. Despite numerous hours with the helpdask I had to return it and opt for a Hive system which connected and worked straight out of the box. So not as clear cut as first sold.
Zigbee in Uk is 2.4 Ghz, maybe you had interferene with your home Wi-Fi 2.4Ghz band (or a neighbours)? Changing the channel of your home Wi-Fi may have sorted it.
@@UKBlue407 Thanks for your thoughts however, all avenues were covered including setting up a separate guest network running on 2.4Ghz and tried direct allocated channels. And still would not stay connected. I had not one single problem with their previous product MiGeni in seven years. I still maintain this product is not what it is portrayed. Whilst Hive is not my first choice it works strait out of the box as does Tado and Salis.
Simple to wire up but the app is far from simple to connect. Very important note, if you don’t give the thermostat an allocation (room name) it won’t appear as a device. Took me an hour to figure that out
I wish technology that connects to the internet would stop being referred to as 'smart' as there is nothing smart about that. I assume that the connection to the boiler is existing on/off connections which just turns the boiler on to full rate when a heating demand is called? A 'smart' thermostat would use the OpenTherm connections in the boiler to actually communicate the needs and modulate the boiler to make it more efficient and actually help to save you money and, more importantly, more comfortable in your own home...
@@robert.wigley I'm sure it does, but it is not highlighted in the video, as you would have had to wire it into the boiler differently. My point is, better education is required on this topic. Connecting it to the internet can offer some features that will benefit the homeowner and potentially save them money, but a load compensating boiler will work much more efficiently more of the time and keep you much more comfortable 🤷
I'm slightly confused about TRV compatibility and these radiator control units fitting onto existing radiator TRV valve bodies. Are we saying there are international standards and any stat can be fitted to any valve ? I can't believe life is this straightforward. Sorry for being thick.
I have this system and whilst it is good it does have some flaws. Randomly disconnects the hub - common issue it seems. 2 of my TRV are too far away and often disconnect, but you can buy a smart repeater plug which costs a lot for what it is!! Setting the schedules is a bit backwards, but once you've sussed it then it's fine. Dead easy to set up, even for tech expert like me! My downside is that most of my TRV's are seized and despite constantly freeing them, they mess up soon enough!! Anyone got tips for having them behave this winter? Will replace all radiators and valves next year I reckon in the summer!
I have had this fitted in my house for 2 years and when it works it’s really good but it drops out a lot and the app interface is horrible go with another brand in my opinion
Must be great being mates with you, upgrading peoples heating systems so you can make videos! I'm buying a 1930's house if you fancy renovating the whole thing 🤣
Unless you know what you are doing NEVER touch wiring. I have seen so called professionals do dodgy un-fused spurs, wiring installed across walls at various heights, incorrect cable size used, sockets under kitchen units in stupid places especially under sinks, adding sockets to an existing ring when extensions are built without loading calculations, no metal fire caps put on light fittings in flat roofs etc. etc.
The control you gain over your heating system more than makes up for having to replace cheap AA batteries once every 18 months or so. You can effectively zone off your home every which way and group different 'zones' together into what are called Moments which you can toggle on/off at the touch of a button on the app. You will save a lot of money using this Wiser system.
Problem with all your videos is that you never disclose if this is paid promotion/ ad/ was there any money exchanged? did you get it for free? This makes every video look just like long advert as you never say anything bad about the product
There is a tag displayed at the start of the sponsored videos that says it’s a sponsored video. On videos that aren’t sponsored, you won’t see this displayed.
@@mattbandura9015 Personally I do not care...you try doing a channel and earn a living at the same time, what matters is he produces quality content easy to follow and uses tools and products that he has often tried and tested. Its not a political party broadcast about his income or sponsorships.
@@DryUrEyesMate the title says "…saves you money", my point is that it will take me 10 years to see that saving. Do you have some difficulty connecting the dots?
@@neilgilroy1629 no. I am a qualified electrician. I can do all DIY, I have been a tradesman my whole life. But I wouldn’t touch gas, and I wouldn’t touch electrics if I wasn’t qualified. Electrics can kill people that’s why we train for years to become an electrician and have our work audited by governing bodies annually.
I see you went from connecting your home wifi to adding the devices, so I take it you decided to not show just how frustrating this wiser junk realy is, the pulling out of hair over days trying to get the thing to work, until you realise, the instructions the manufacturer provide are junk. Want my opinion, just by TADO and save yourselves the headache and ball ache of getting this junk to work..
Winter videos are back! What other how to guides do you want this winter?
A heat pump please
👍
I always love these videos. '"Easy diy install". Not the easiest job if you have a house full of archaic 80's half seized lockshield valves on all your rads like me. Dead easy if you're lucky enough to have shiny modern trv's on a recently installed system.
Done this myself in August and its not as scary as I thought and had put off since March! Just needed extra TRVs and your 40% off code was awesome saved me £90 :)
Nice work!
We are running 17 radiators with this system, worked out it pays for itself in 12 to 18 months, now we can completely heat individual rooms (you don’t need the room themostats).
Saves money as you can heat the room you are using and set times and temps for each room.
Gives you total heating control.
Brilliant, thanks for sharing 👍
I thought messing with TRVs is how you end up with a load of air in the system / unbalanced radiators
@@Tracdooor You are not touching the pipes in the heating (you don't need to drain the system etc), just the controls for the heating on each radiator, so you are just taking the existing old fashioned trv and replacing it with a new Smart trv.
@@Tracdooor I think your getting mixed up with the lockshield valve.
Great video, i would usually advise to use 5 core flex and replace connector blocks with Wago connectors.👍
Another great video.
I've had the same system in for 1-2 years... it works very very well, great value compared to some of the other systems out there.
Installation looks fairly straight forward. I have a Danfoss 5000 that's gone belly up on my combi. I look on the backplate. 240v connected on the far left and terminals 2 and 3 wired up. If I understand your video I change these to terminals 1 and 3
Drayton wiser is a great system, I sold my very old Honeywell unit and thermostat on ebay and nearly paid for buying this (without TRVs) new.
So far i haven't upgraded to TRV, but nice to be able to use Alexa to control the heating and switch on and off away from home
A really cheap option for smart control is also to pop a Sonoff minil2 on the live/switched live to the thermostat in the wiring centre. Let's you get rid of the wall thermostat entirely. Can combine with a temperature sensor in Home Assistant... You can then control heating from any mobile/tablet/wall panel, home or away... And use in automations... Ie auto turn off heating when everyone leaves the house etc.
Thanks for sharing 😃👍
i have this system, and it has had its issues but controlling it from my phone makes it easy. one suggestion is to add geofencing via ifttt. its free and there are settings already, you can simple click and add. it means when you leave your house, the system goes into away mode, so you dont have to do it manually. once you arrive home it goes out of away mode and the heating will continue to be set to room temps and heat schedule.
Good point there 😃
Add it to Home Assistant and the world's your oyster.
What’s ifttt? Cheers
Thanks for the great video. I've been looking for a smart heating system for some time and settled on the Wiser system to add to my combi boiler however I have been a little unsure about the installation but your video clears this up plus the 40% off code is hard to resist.
I don't have a standard wiring unit as you had in your video but the feed from the boiler just goes to the standard RST1 stat unit that you must have seen loads of.
It has a permanent 240V feed with a call for heat connection too. Looking at the wiring diagram it looks like the one channel hub unit will just replace the stat as long as pin 3 has a link to feed 240V. Other than that, it looks pretty straightforward.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, I’ve just taken a Drayton & Zhender thermostat off to measure are compare. The open & closed dimensions are the same 20 & 15mm. They fit each others valves and work fine. As a DIYer I assumed each manufacturer did their own thing. Seems there is a standard. Thanks
Anytime 👍
Just saved £334 by using your discount code, so thanks. My install should be a lot simpler as the backing plate is already there.
That promo code didn't last long! Only watched the video yesterday, perfect for my needs, really good video. thanks.
Learnt a few things here, thanks mate 👍🏻
Glad to hear it! Cheers
Great video iv had a hive system for about 4 years now the money saved was CRAZY good shocked not many people i know use them
Thanks for sharing
Great video! I have the exact same setup - same stats and same boiler so should be a very easy job. Quick question that may know - the 3rd pipe has a red return valve on? What should that be set to? Can't find answers anywhere.
You saved me 250 pounds with this video .Please could you make a video about how to install a wired fuses light timer for outdoor lights T205 7 days and how to set up the light to switch on and off by themselves thanks
Smart video for a smart system! Another great one.
Glad you think so!
Can you install these on a gravity boiler system.
Just fitted a tado v3+ wired smart room stat 👌
Nice work
What does standard TRV mean? are the thermostats compatible with all TRVs? I have the older danfoss type fitted and want to install the same drayton wiser ones. Many Thanks
Thanks DIY guy. One question on the back plate. I have the same one that comes with the wiser product already in my wall and all wiring is already there. Do i really just pop the wiser hub on and job done? As well, my 2 zones system is controlled by wall thermostats (temperature only), do i leave them on the wall connected to the electricity? Thanks again.
Hello, do the radiators still need to be balanced, given they are now individually controlled, whereas before they would all be on/off at the same time?
Radiators should always be correctly balanced, as there are going to be occasions when all rad valves could be calling for heat, so correct balancing means all the rads warm up together.
Hi tried to order using discount link but takes me to a logon page? How do I order a kit 3 plus valves please?
Congratulations you explain very well . Please in which part of the Uk do you work . I’m in Birmingham in case you work in the area if we need your services . Cheers
hi but how two individuals 2 port valve controls via single hub without wired individualy
Are backplates really industry standard? no need to rewire? from one company to another is there no difference? I have h27xl hortmann
I installed the Honeywell Evohome system. The Rolls Royce of eco thermostats.
I’ve not done one of those. Thanks
Nope. Wrong! This is the best you can buy, especially when coupled to Home Assistant.
Wow that was impressive 👏👏❤️🇬🇧
Glad you liked it 😁
👍👍👍Great info. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
🤣
Interesting, would have been better to explain how to wire on mmore typical installs, a combi or two channel.
I got lost off when you exposed that mass of wires at the start. 🤣🤣
Haha! I understand it can look a little scary!
Just one question DIYGuy, I set up the hive system but haven't invested in wireless TRVs yet because I still wouldn't be able to heat the upstairs alone when I needed to because of the rule about one rad(currently our lounge rad), can't have a TRV on it.
I would always be heating the lounge unnecessarily if I wanted to warm the upstairs.
What's the solution?
change which Rad doesn't have a TRV downstairs? maybe hall or WC? Somewhere you don't mind a bit of extra heat.
Very good job wonderful
Thank you! Cheers!
Hi Cameron. Two queries; 1. What happens if the internet goes down. 2. If the battery fails on one or more TVRs?
1. Then you can't control it away from your house. The system itself works through its own radio network in the house.
2. The batteries last about a year and you get notifications when they are going flat.
@@TonyWhitleygreat replies. Very helpful for everyone 👍
1. The Wser system works over it's own Zigbee wireless network which means the system will work even when your internet is down.
2. Depending on how often the TRV actuates will determine battery life. Typically well over 1 year. You can see the battery status (as well as signal strength) of any TRV from the 'Devices' option in the app and the app will also send a notification to your phone if the batteries run out or if the TRV loses connection to the hub (out of range). The range issue can be solved by using a 'smart plug' which also acts as a Zigbee range extender for the system.
I'm not convinced this is a DIY job. My head hurt by the end of the video and I'm nifty with electrics. 😮
Brilliant advice for people. Thanks for sharing
I did this a couple of years ago, the difference is that the wiring was a rat's nest of chocolate blocks floating in mid air behind a wooden panel and I had to work out how it all worked from first principles 🤬 I labelled all the wires and fitted them in a WAGO mBox L32 Wiring Centre Junction. The Wiser system has been faultless since 👍
Yeah that’s a pain! Sounds like you got it sorted ✔️
Just how many trades are you competent in ?
I get by 😉 cheers
Installed one of these as a replacement to a MiGeni system from same company due to cloud update. However it would not connect unless I was a metre away from the hub. Despite numerous hours with the helpdask I had to return it and opt for a Hive system which connected and worked straight out of the box. So not as clear cut as first sold.
Zigbee in Uk is 2.4 Ghz, maybe you had interferene with your home Wi-Fi 2.4Ghz band (or a neighbours)? Changing the channel of your home Wi-Fi may have sorted it.
@@UKBlue407 Thanks for your thoughts however, all avenues were covered including setting up a separate guest network running on 2.4Ghz and tried direct allocated channels. And still would not stay connected. I had not one single problem with their previous product MiGeni in seven years. I still maintain this product is not what it is portrayed. Whilst Hive is not my first choice it works strait out of the box as does Tado and Salis.
You forgot to test neutral and live to ground .
Simple to wire up but the app is far from simple to connect. Very important note, if you don’t give the thermostat an allocation (room name) it won’t appear as a device. Took me an hour to figure that out
How do you get your knowledge
Years of practice and learning from good people
TH-cam and the Internet like anyone else that can be bothered to learn anything. It's all out there.
I wish technology that connects to the internet would stop being referred to as 'smart' as there is nothing smart about that.
I assume that the connection to the boiler is existing on/off connections which just turns the boiler on to full rate when a heating demand is called?
A 'smart' thermostat would use the OpenTherm connections in the boiler to actually communicate the needs and modulate the boiler to make it more efficient and actually help to save you money and, more importantly, more comfortable in your own home...
It supports OpenTherm and does weather compensation!
@@robert.wigley I'm sure it does, but it is not highlighted in the video, as you would have had to wire it into the boiler differently.
My point is, better education is required on this topic. Connecting it to the internet can offer some features that will benefit the homeowner and potentially save them money, but a load compensating boiler will work much more efficiently more of the time and keep you much more comfortable 🤷
I'm slightly confused about TRV compatibility and these radiator control units fitting onto existing radiator TRV valve bodies. Are we saying there are international standards and any stat can be fitted to any valve ? I can't believe life is this straightforward. Sorry for being thick.
most manufacturors have their own valve system, but the smart themostat brands like the one in the video, or Tado, make adaptors to make it fit.
I have this system and whilst it is good it does have some flaws. Randomly disconnects the hub - common issue it seems. 2 of my TRV are too far away and often disconnect, but you can buy a smart repeater plug which costs a lot for what it is!! Setting the schedules is a bit backwards, but once you've sussed it then it's fine. Dead easy to set up, even for tech expert like me!
My downside is that most of my TRV's are seized and despite constantly freeing them, they mess up soon enough!! Anyone got tips for having them behave this winter? Will replace all radiators and valves next year I reckon in the summer!
Zigbee repeaters don't have to be expensive, Ikea do one for < £10.
@@UKBlue407 Zigbee yes. But Wiser uses it's own system I believe as I already have a zigbee repeater anyway for my Home Assistant setup.
I have this system. Don’t put these on too many radiators (maybe 50% approx) or your boiler might end up anti cycling a lot.
What do you use instead?
Pink Hill
All that wiring doesn't look the easiest to me.
Is this a sponsored video?
Yes, there is a tag at the start of the video saying that it’s a paid promotion.
I have had this fitted in my house for 2 years and when it works it’s really good but it drops out a lot and the app interface is horrible go with another brand in my opinion
Its one of them things i wont personally touch id rather pay someone to come do it then i wont get blaimed when the heating dont work 😂
Haha fair enough!
New code please :)
Must be great being mates with you, upgrading peoples heating systems so you can make videos! I'm buying a 1930's house if you fancy renovating the whole thing 🤣
Haha yeah you’re right to be fair! 😂
Double gang surface box and connectors?
Poor
You should have used a custom designed wiring centre like Wago.
Except I didn’t install the wiring centre 😂
@@TheDIYGuy1 We know !
What has been installed isn't a wiring centre.
Got this one myself. Preffered my old tado to be honest. Really dont like the app on this.
Thanks for sharing
Connect it to Home Assistant. You won't look back.
I have radbot trvs and I’m not that impressed with them really
Unless you know what you are doing NEVER touch wiring. I have seen so called professionals do dodgy un-fused spurs, wiring installed across walls at various heights, incorrect cable size used, sockets under kitchen units in stupid places especially under sinks, adding sockets to an existing ring when extensions are built without loading calculations, no metal fire caps put on light fittings in flat roofs etc. etc.
Buying endless batteries to control your TRV's for the rest of your life. Hmmm.
It's annoying that it can't use rechargeable batteries but they last a year or more.
The control you gain over your heating system more than makes up for having to replace cheap AA batteries once every 18 months or so. You can effectively zone off your home every which way and group different 'zones' together into what are called Moments which you can toggle on/off at the touch of a button on the app. You will save a lot of money using this Wiser system.
Given all the stuff pushed into our lives these days, you make a good point.
@@TonyWhitleywhy can't you use rechargeable batteries?
I think the voltage isn't high enough unless you buy really expensive rechargeable batteries.
Problem with all your videos is that you never disclose if this is paid promotion/ ad/ was there any money exchanged? did you get it for free? This makes every video look just like long advert as you never say anything bad about the product
There is a tag displayed at the start of the sponsored videos that says it’s a sponsored video. On videos that aren’t sponsored, you won’t see this displayed.
I’m fairly sure I saw a tag at the start of this video fella. 🤷🏻♂️
@@TheDIYGuy1 "paid promotion" is not clear, you could state what was the arrangement at the beginning of every video and be more transparent
@@mattbandura9015 Personally I do not care...you try doing a channel and earn a living at the same time, what matters is he produces quality content easy to follow and uses tools and products that he has often tried and tested. Its not a political party broadcast about his income or sponsorships.
@@mattbandura9015 Barking up the wrong tree, you want to be taking it up with Google; it's their TOS.
It will take about 10 years for me to make back the investment on one of these systems... I'll just stick to the dumb thermostat
Fair haha
Not if you use them for individual rooms in a large house, think individual zones per room.
You only have to heat the room you are in.
@@MarkTimberlake I don't have a large house - that was the point.
I think your missing the whole point of this gadget 😂
@@DryUrEyesMate the title says "…saves you money", my point is that it will take me 10 years to see that saving. Do you have some difficulty connecting the dots?
A DIY channel should not be showing how to play with electrics.
Agreed!
Only time served qualified and competent electricians should be doing electrical work - it's not a DIY job !!!!!
You must spend a lot of money on tradespeople! This is a DIY channel!
@@neilgilroy1629 no. I am a qualified electrician. I can do all DIY, I have been a tradesman my whole life. But I wouldn’t touch gas, and I wouldn’t touch electrics if I wasn’t qualified. Electrics can kill people that’s why we train for years to become an electrician and have our work audited by governing bodies annually.
I see you went from connecting your home wifi to adding the devices, so I take it you decided to not show just how frustrating this wiser junk realy is, the pulling out of hair over days trying to get the thing to work, until you realise, the instructions the manufacturer provide are junk.
Want my opinion, just by TADO and save yourselves the headache and ball ache of getting this junk to work..
It’s not my house but I had one previously at my own house. Never had any issues with it personally
Might need advice how do I email u
Hi mate can you give me a message cheers 👊🏼
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