Mozart: Sonata for two fortepianos, K 448. Lubimov, Martynov.

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  • W. A. Mozart, sonata for two fortepianos in D major, K. 448. Alexei Lubimov, Yury Martynov - fortepianos.
    Allegro con spirito - 00:00
    Andante - 10:59
    Molto allegro - 20:43
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  • @juanjose4264
    @juanjose4264 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    best piano rendition i've ever heard of Mozart... People seem to be so careful and tend to play this music much softer..almost like they are scared of it..
    . this is different

    • @jaredbebee630
      @jaredbebee630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      the forte piano is a much better instrument in my opinion

    • @SD-fp8ei
      @SD-fp8ei 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Spot on! Best rendition ever!

    • @hugoclarke3284
      @hugoclarke3284 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jaredbebee630 the pianos that JSB approved would have been fortepiano too (following the earliest prototype)

  • @noblekime5912
    @noblekime5912 6 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    It sounds so much better on the fortepiano . . . no way around it.

    • @suic86
      @suic86 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I completely agree!

    • @antoniolorenzoni4617
      @antoniolorenzoni4617 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ancora meglio sul cembalo

  • @musicalperson17
    @musicalperson17 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    love this on fortepiano, the percussive quality adds so much intricacy between the two parts

  • @nickspruytenburg1230
    @nickspruytenburg1230 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    As I thought, so much better than with grand pianos. There's an original delicacy and gaiety about this piece which is so precious.

    • @petermerelis
      @petermerelis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      it's a muddled mess on a modern piano

    • @petermerelis
      @petermerelis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      pianos*

  • @popnocturne7909
    @popnocturne7909 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    That slow movement....heavenly!

  • @voxveritatis3815
    @voxveritatis3815 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The modulations at 21:32 oh God....exquisite....clever....perfectly accomplished.

  • @yourdo11y
    @yourdo11y 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this is the original. fortepiano.......... rings my soul

  • @michaelrusso1841
    @michaelrusso1841 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Mozart isn't one of my favorite composers, but I must say... I actually enjoy this piece very much. Grazie Muzikay.

  • @MaxwellKaye
    @MaxwellKaye 6 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Just when I thought Mozart couldn't get any better.

    • @quite1enough
      @quite1enough 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      check also Levin & Frager performance

    • @mabel8179
      @mabel8179 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Mozart is musical perfection, especially on period instruments!

  • @channanwillner9663
    @channanwillner9663 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Superior performance....

  • @donaldgoodell7675
    @donaldgoodell7675 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Mozart compos’d this beautiful Sonata for two klaviers in D in 1780 (K. 375a, Old K. 448) probably originally for himself and his sister Nannerl to play in Salzburg before his final break with the Archbishop in May of 1781; he himself perform’d it (along with K. 365, also from 1780) with harpsichordist / pianist Josepha Barbara Auernhammer, an ‘overweight, ugly & gap-tooth’d’ but musically gifted klavier-pupil of Richter & Kozeluch (& with Mozart after his break with Salzburg in 1781) on 23rd November 1781 (also at public soirées in 1782 & 1783) and shews all the gusto & energy of a young composer ready to leap-out and make his own way in the world; Mozart’s father had after 22 March 1773 turn’d to selling klaviers out of his new ‘Dancing Master’s House’ (to-day the now-restor’d Nr. 8 Marketplatz in Salzburg) so double-klavier sonatas like these could easily have been perform’d in Leopold’s salon...even as advertising for his instruments for sale...

  • @mabel8179
    @mabel8179 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This sonata is just beautiful, love it!

  • @comic4relief
    @comic4relief 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice video except for the loud facebook ad out of nowhere during the middle movement.

  • @ladsteel7672
    @ladsteel7672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    GeniuS ⭐🇦🇹 Beatiful The Best of MOZART,🇦🇹❤️🎹🎶🎉🎼🎻🎹🎵

  • @RayMond777
    @RayMond777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its scary how good this performance is

  • @flayuhat
    @flayuhat 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Allegro con spirito 0:07
    Andante 10:59
    Molto allegro 20:43

  • @ladsteel7672
    @ladsteel7672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Music Perfection Geniale ⭐ Mozart 🇦🇹 The Legend,🇦🇹❤️🎶🎹Number 1️⃣🇦🇹⭐🏆🎹🎵🔔🎼🎉🎻🍾🇦🇹🎻

  • @quite1enough
    @quite1enough 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You can also find Levin and Frager performance on youtube of K 448, period instruments as well

  • @hussainsaibo9692
    @hussainsaibo9692 ปีที่แล้ว

    to be heard and enjoyed again !

  • @henrikpettersson2886
    @henrikpettersson2886 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This was great. :)

  • @ShirleyKirsten
    @ShirleyKirsten 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Engaging and musical performance.

  • @senorital.5806
    @senorital.5806 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Suena excelente 🥰🥰🥰😘😍

  • @2951969
    @2951969 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Este es un Mozart diferente, un Mozart talvez un poco hiperventilado, brillante como todas sus obras pero diferente. Es raro que esta pieza sea considerada una de las dos obras ideales para los niños (efecto Mozart)

  • @JAOrtizCompositor
    @JAOrtizCompositor 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    1:28 ♥️

  • @suuri_toukeigaku_channel
    @suuri_toukeigaku_channel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm practicing this tune now, but I can't play the first important phrase of trill, and the all the play is messed up...

    • @paulheffron4836
      @paulheffron4836 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just keep practicing at a very slow tempo and gradually increase the tempo and as your finger muscles master the movements you'll find yourself able to play it.

  • @user-rv4qw3xi3c
    @user-rv4qw3xi3c 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    モーツァルトは、この音色で作ったんだ
    フォルテピアノ版を聴いたことがなかった
    まだ現代のピアノがなかった時代の作品

  • @madaboutvoice
    @madaboutvoice 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thanks for posting. The painting is of Wolfgang and his sister, Maria Anna, I presume?

    • @jesuelalinsunurin777
      @jesuelalinsunurin777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is actually Wolfgang Amadeus Nanerl Mozart's older sister

    • @MrFirefox411
      @MrFirefox411 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jesuelalinsunurin777 Maria Anna is Mozart's sister's name! Nannerl is her nickname!

    • @jesuelalinsunurin777
      @jesuelalinsunurin777 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrFirefox411 oh I completely forgot history class thx for the correction I guess

    • @jesuelalinsunurin777
      @jesuelalinsunurin777 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      it is actually nannerl its Leopold's wife name I reasearched

    • @madaboutvoice
      @madaboutvoice 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jesuelalinsunurin777Oh, OK, let's forget about the issue with the names, you're now saying it is his mother, not his sister in the painting?

  • @duncanmckeown1292
    @duncanmckeown1292 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always think that this piece sounds better on two fortepianos...especially when played with as much gusto as this pair do!

  • @EFVink
    @EFVink 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this performance also available on CD?

  • @JAOrtizCompositor
    @JAOrtizCompositor 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:37

  • @musicshin2
    @musicshin2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow, it seems pretty fast...but I like it

  • @jean-jacquesfabretti4459
    @jean-jacquesfabretti4459 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bonjour, sur quel diapason sont accordés ces pianoforte : La 440 Hz, naturel 432, Mozart 422 ? Merci Hello, What pitch are these fortepianos tuned to: A 440 Hz, natural 432, Mozart 422? Thank you

  • @DavidDartley
    @DavidDartley 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone know of recordings of this piece (on pianoforte or fortepiano) that's at least slightly slower in tempo?

    • @thomasskoronski8625
      @thomasskoronski8625 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is a beautiful recording by Alicia de Larrocha and Andre Previn that is significantly more relaxed.

    • @OccyDaBoss
      @OccyDaBoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i've heard this a bit faster than this, but i mean each to their own

  • @nostalgiakarlk.f.7386
    @nostalgiakarlk.f.7386 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    In a lot of ways, the fortepiano sounds better than the pianoforte.

    • @nostalgiakarlk.f.7386
      @nostalgiakarlk.f.7386 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The fortepiano sounds more bright and clear while the pianoforte sounds more soft and muffled.

    • @MaxwellKaye
      @MaxwellKaye 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm pretty sure they're the same instrument, unless you're referring to the modern piano as the pianoforte.

    • @nostalgiakarlk.f.7386
      @nostalgiakarlk.f.7386 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maxwell Kaye There are more differences. For example, the pianoforte has 88 keys while the fortepiano has the range of a harpsichord.

    • @MaxwellKaye
      @MaxwellKaye 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Okay, so you're talking about the modern piano. I was confused at first.

    • @mabel8179
      @mabel8179 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Totally! For the music written on fortepianos, fortepianos reign supreme!

  • @chris93703
    @chris93703 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anyone know what year the fortepianos are from in this recording?

    • @seoulstn
      @seoulstn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Fortepiano of ca. 1785 and
      Fortepiano of c.1790

    • @amitmarkel
      @amitmarkel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Possibly a Stein and Walter

  • @rodolfohuerta7022
    @rodolfohuerta7022 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I could say this painting shows Mozart and his sister and father Leopold Mozart using their instruments after his mother died...

    • @psalm2764
      @psalm2764 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are few portraits of the real Mozart. He was not a jew and he did not look like one.

    • @jackminto7062
      @jackminto7062 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@psalm2764 ...

    • @psalm2764
      @psalm2764 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jackminto7062 Hi Jack. Lots of subterfuge and flat-out lies surrounding Mozart.

  • @suuri_toukeigaku_channel
    @suuri_toukeigaku_channel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    is this spinet?the key is not D major

    • @Muzikay
      @Muzikay  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      アッカーマンミカサ no, it's a fortepiano (early piano). It plays at a somewhat lower pitch than the modern piano.

    • @suuri_toukeigaku_channel
      @suuri_toukeigaku_channel 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Muzikay
      Oh, I just thought they hadn't had piano yet at that time.
      I always wonder why they often play early music in lower pitch.

    • @Ekvitarius
      @Ekvitarius 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The pitch wasn't really standardized in those days, but in Germany it this time it was close to a half step below modern pitch.

  • @math11235
    @math11235 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in my opinion, this performance is a bit too fast.

  • @SoggySandwich80
    @SoggySandwich80 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Who is this other person, looks like Mozart in 1700s drag lmao

    • @xy6845
      @xy6845 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's his sister

  • @andreagriseri7656
    @andreagriseri7656 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Full of energy but the tempo isn't too much fast?

  • @daniel3231995
    @daniel3231995 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    fortepiano>harpsichord

  • @jeanpierredevos3137
    @jeanpierredevos3137 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely horrible in my personal opinion. Thank god for a modern grand piano. The ensemble playing is gone. It is one big mixture of notes hard to hear who plays what most of the time. And wen played loud the tone fals dead. A lot of the beautiful phrasing is inpossible to play on these instruments. Amazing that Mozart had this instrument in his ear when he composed this marvelous masterpiece. He must have foreseen that the instruments would be better in the future.

    • @Kris9kris
      @Kris9kris 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The notion that certain composers had modern instruments in mind when composing their pieces is a wild extrapolation, a conjecture, nothing more. Especially at a time when Cristofori’s invention was still a relatively new thing. Harpsichords were very much in evidence until the early 1810s, that’s why Beethoven had to give the epithet “Hammerklavier” for his Op. 106. Mozart was more than happy with Stein’s instruments as obvious from his letter to his father describing it in great detail. People say the same thing about Bach but we know that he didn’t like Frederick the Great’s fortepiano and went on record saying “it wasn’t his thing”. I would argue that a fortepiano is actually more distinct in its production of sound than a modern grand because the resonance chamber is smaller, and it’s less jangly, not as muddled with overtones. It’s like we mixed a harpsichord, a guitar and a pianoforte together: when used wisely, it’s beautiful.

    • @laurahelenaxou1834
      @laurahelenaxou1834 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! 😬😬😬 These fortepianos sound a lot better and sweeter than the modern oversharpened crap 😬😬😬, plus, they sound very similar to Mozart's own fortepiano!!! I hate dumb pianists that insist on playing (killing) Bach's (and other's) works on modern pianos, they can play masterfully and have a badass technique and interpretation, but they are playing it on the wrong instrument, and it sounds awful, displaced... Modern pianos are great for some pieces, (although they are oversharpened/overtuned and the "official pattern" should have been revised to 430Hz), but try to imagine "Clair de Lune" played on a fortepiano or harpsichord, it would sound awful and displaced, did you get my point?? There are pieces that sound a lot better on original instruments, this one is an example... 😉

    • @laurahelenaxou1834
      @laurahelenaxou1834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@seoulstn Yes!!! The ancient instruments have a lot more expression, timbre and accent, they are colorful in a so special way, specially on the bass sounds, they vibrate so beautifully, a modern grand piano has distorted and ugly bass notes, it hurts our ears, instead, the fortepiano has delightful bass notes that contrast and highlight a lot better and sweeter, it produces enjoyable to hear bass notes!!! 😊

    • @95tupolev
      @95tupolev 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@seoulstn Not helped by the boring, equal tempered tuning.

    • @jesustovar2549
      @jesustovar2549 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like the versions on period instruments much more on these kind of works, I think that although soloists or ensembles want to play these pieces on modern instruments, they should play at 430 hz or 432 hz to make it sound more natural, and they should study about the instruments of this period and the way of playing at that time. Mozart probably would have loved modern pianos, as they had widht for more keys, and would have played them without any problem, perhaps Bach, Beethoven, Schubert or Weber would have just loved to hear their works on modern instruments (But keeping the original style of playing it, instead of making it sound too mechanical).

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    @mikecadigan6412 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

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