Testing what chemical traces that are remaining in the cloth (even very very slight) could help determine what sort of dyes were used and thus what colors may have been present. Mass Spectrometer testing for example.
I learned about that "tartan" years ago from Dr. Gordon Teall at an even in the Tartans Society museum in Franklin, North Carolina. Not much was known about it at that time. I am ready to add my name to the list to buy one.
I'd be fascinated to see what the recreated tartan looks like. Depending how it looks, I might be interested in it … but more likely in PV than wool. (My wish list for wool kilts is already quite long. It does not need to become longer.)
I’m always interested in historical tartans. I have ordered 8 meters from Peter MacDonald (mentioned in this video) of an 18th century unnamed tartan and I have ordered another 8 meters from someone else who is recreating the Coat worn by Charles Stuart in the tartan museum exhibit.
I studied archaeology… I got the joke and I laughed. I would have to see the recreation of the colours before I considered buying it. I appreciate the historical significance and that would be the main reason I am interested. But there are some tartans that I would use as a bookmark but not a piece of clothing.
Great topic. Although the Glen Affric tartan could very well have belonged to someone from another clan, one of my lines of descent hails from Clan Chisholm and it's septs who controlled the area at the time the plaid was in all of it's glory. I would love a full/middle weight kilt in this tartan.
I love the archeology that can go into this stuff. Then it becomes fun to recreate and possibly (sometimes literally) put yourself in someone else's shoes. I recreated a crude version of a claymore to the spec of one on display at the British National Museum just to see what it would feel like. I also recreated the Saex of Beagnoth which was fun because I came up with my own hilt as one did not survive. I also did a basket hilted broadsword/claymore which was fun doing the basket hilt. Would love to do more archeological recreations.
Rocky, your USA Kilts polo shirt might look a little better if y’all put the head logo on the other side. That way the head is looking toward the center of the garment instead of looking off.
So is the cloddagh actually the trad color, ir why is it considered the cork county tartan, while info on the clodagh says its closer to a royal stewart.
If it turns out that the color and thread count exactly match a currently restricted tartan (such as Balmoral or MacDuck), do the restrictions go away?
I would definitely be interested, but until I saw the way it looks, would reserve judgement as to whether I would get a kilt of that tartan before I get one of Isle of Skye. 😁
I think I’d be almost as interested in a recreation of the tartan as it is today as in a recreation of original colors. Also I laughed out loud for real at the Schliemann joke!
I wonder if they use XRite color measurement devices to analyze the colors. They make devices that can measure colors to differences most people can’t see. Used them while working at KODAK.
Just bear in mind that the STA, a small independent organisation, paid for the C14 and dye analysis. It would be nice, and right, that some of the money from potential sales went to support it's work.
Absolutely I'd want one of these simply for the historical value. That's why it's so important that before such a tartan be woven, they get as accurate as they possibly can to the original. I should think that with all of the spectro analysis, neutrino multinational particle detectors , hadron colliders, Z machines and sphygmomanometer out there working on this, it should be fairly simple!
Sign me up for one, just super cool… Rotating the spotlight to our own interest- why do we all find this so fascinating? The “oldest” example of something? Our particular narrow band of interest is so complex in that wild intersection of personal and historical, and this fabric feeds right into it-
There is an unnamed 18th Century tartan that Peter MacDonald wove on April 12th that looks amazing. I really really wouldn't mind having a great kilt in that tartan. It looks gooooddd...
One year later we either own the recreation or we refuse to own it because everyone else owns it. I'm in the own it camp. I like the Mustard of the Glen!
The twist! The tartan is actually a modern tartan that somebody has created recently or will create in the near future. They were wearing their great kilt when they were sucked through or slipped through a time portal.
That Heinrich guy, was he the guy who 'found' the city of Troy and disregarded a lot of the artifacts from many of the the layers, including the oldest layers that might have been the city that the story of Troy could possibly have been based on?
Archeology was not as scientific then as now, he was at the very beginning of it all. His strong point is the multidisciplinary aspect of his research, his weakness is not having all the best practices we now have.
+USAKiltsOfficial *Thanks for the historian perspective.* The Glenaffric sett, in my seeing, is primarily yellow with orange accents and a blue grid divider. Unrelated to the Chisholm Modern sett.
Sadly it is now available to buy but not as it was. They have taken out some of the darker lines in order to make it look like a modern block colour tartan.....sad. Great opportunity missed.
Testing what chemical traces that are remaining in the cloth (even very very slight) could help determine what sort of dyes were used and thus what colors may have been present. Mass Spectrometer testing for example.
It will be a mystery that will never be solved. I definitely want them to figure out what the colors so it can be recreated.
I learned about that "tartan" years ago from Dr. Gordon Teall at an even in the Tartans Society museum in Franklin, North Carolina. Not much was known about it at that time. I am ready to add my name to the list to buy one.
I'd be fascinated to see what the recreated tartan looks like.
Depending how it looks, I might be interested in it … but more likely in PV than wool. (My wish list for wool kilts is already quite long. It does not need to become longer.)
Would love to buy a kilt of this tartan! Hopefully more research is done to discover the exact colors used for it.
I’m always interested in historical tartans. I have ordered 8 meters from Peter MacDonald (mentioned in this video) of an 18th century unnamed tartan and I have ordered another 8 meters from someone else who is recreating the Coat worn by Charles Stuart in the tartan museum exhibit.
Would love the recreated tartan, whenever it becomes available. Dan
How similar/ different is this to the Ulster tartan, which was also RC-14 dated to the same time period, but found in a bog in Derry?
I'd be interested, particularly if you can offer it in PV.
I studied archaeology… I got the joke and I laughed.
I would have to see the recreation of the colours before I considered buying it. I appreciate the historical significance and that would be the main reason I am interested. But there are some tartans that I would use as a bookmark but not a piece of clothing.
Great topic.
Although the Glen Affric tartan could very well have belonged to someone from another clan, one of my lines of descent hails from Clan Chisholm and it's septs who controlled the area at the time the plaid was in all of it's glory. I would love a full/middle weight kilt in this tartan.
I love the archeology that can go into this stuff. Then it becomes fun to recreate and possibly (sometimes literally) put yourself in someone else's shoes. I recreated a crude version of a claymore to the spec of one on display at the British National Museum just to see what it would feel like. I also recreated the Saex of Beagnoth which was fun because I came up with my own hilt as one did not survive. I also did a basket hilted broadsword/claymore which was fun doing the basket hilt. Would love to do more archeological recreations.
Rocky, your USA Kilts polo shirt might look a little better if y’all put the head logo on the other side. That way the head is looking toward the center of the garment instead of looking off.
So is the cloddagh actually the trad color, ir why is it considered the cork county tartan, while info on the clodagh says its closer to a royal stewart.
The Clodagh is a fashion tartan from the beginning of the 20th century and is, as you allude to, a colour variant of the Royal Stewart.
If it turns out that the color and thread count exactly match a currently restricted tartan (such as Balmoral or MacDuck), do the restrictions go away?
I would definitely be interested, but until I saw the way it looks, would reserve judgement as to whether I would get a kilt of that tartan before I get one of Isle of Skye. 😁
I think I’d be almost as interested in a recreation of the tartan as it is today as in a recreation of original colors. Also I laughed out loud for real at the Schliemann joke!
I wonder if they use XRite color measurement devices to analyze the colors. They make devices that can measure colors to differences most people can’t see. Used them while working at KODAK.
Interested in the tartan
Discovered Mcynea and also discovered Knossos. But then started rebuilding it!
Just bear in mind that the STA, a small independent organisation, paid for the C14 and dye analysis. It would be nice, and right, that some of the money from potential sales went to support it's work.
Absolutely I'd want one of these simply for the historical value. That's why it's so important that before such a tartan be woven, they get as accurate as they possibly can to the original. I should think that with all of the spectro analysis, neutrino multinational particle detectors , hadron colliders, Z machines and sphygmomanometer out there working on this, it should be fairly simple!
Glen Affric, a region in the Scottish Highlands about 19 miles west of Loch Ness
15 Miles West of Loch Ness..... Thinking Clan Chattan.
Yes please
I would definitely buy it should it be made available....but only from you guys!
awesome
Sign me up for one, just super cool…
Rotating the spotlight to our own interest- why do we all find this so fascinating? The “oldest” example of something? Our particular narrow band of interest is so complex in that wild intersection of personal and historical, and this fabric feeds right into it-
There is an unnamed 18th Century tartan that Peter MacDonald wove on April 12th that looks amazing. I really really wouldn't mind having a great kilt in that tartan. It looks gooooddd...
Yes please. I'm very interested, unless of course it would make a peacock say "OH my gawd!".
I would want to see the reconstructed tartan first, otherwise I'm interested.
One year later we either own the recreation or we refuse to own it because everyone else owns it. I'm in the own it camp. I like the Mustard of the Glen!
The twist!
The tartan is actually a modern tartan that somebody has created recently or will create in the near future. They were wearing their great kilt when they were sucked through or slipped through a time portal.
Mmm.Interesting TARDIS hypothesy. is there a Dr. In the house?
That Heinrich guy, was he the guy who 'found' the city of Troy and disregarded a lot of the artifacts from many of the the layers, including the oldest layers that might have been the city that the story of Troy could possibly have been based on?
Archeology was not as scientific then as now, he was at the very beginning of it all. His strong point is the multidisciplinary aspect of his research, his weakness is not having all the best practices we now have.
Just because it was found there....
If it was in a peat bog, shouldn't one consider that perhaps it was a body dump?
If there had been a body, then yes. But there wasn't.
I would buy a scarf from this tartan.
Sounds like the peat has throughly stained the sett to the point of having to be historically interpreted to the best of historical resources.
Count me in as (mildly, guardedly) interested. I'm not crazy about cream tartans (j/k). 😄
I got the Schliemann joke, I have a bachelor degree in anthropology.
+USAKiltsOfficial *Thanks for the historian perspective.* The Glenaffric sett, in my seeing, is primarily yellow with orange accents and a blue grid divider. Unrelated to the Chisholm Modern sett.
Sadly it is now available to buy but not as it was. They have taken out some of the darker lines in order to make it look like a modern block colour tartan.....sad. Great opportunity missed.
I would take a reproduction or a tartan inspired by it