AAAAYYYYY There it is! Thanks for all the effort into this one man! Really enjoyed the context for all of this. The one thing I'd add from my own personal research/experience is another perspective on the Magnum Opus, which some refer to as the philosopher's stone, and even alchemy in general. Many people believe that true alchemy actually occurs within the practitioner. "To change one's mind is to change the world" would be the best way to describe the concept. They believe there are many levels of such alchemy, starting with basic action bringing ideas into form. Then this leads to human's capacity to create controlled chemical reactions. It culminates, when purity of intention is established, with the capacity, supposedly, to modify form with thought itself. The prime example of this would be Jesus turning water into wine and creating fish for his followers. Just an interesting perspective I picked up along the way that I thought you may find intriguing. = ) Love ya bro, thanks again for the great video!
Highly Appreciated ma dude, especially as your videos are the standard for top quality content in noita. Means a lot man. Once again, appreciate the kind acceptance for the use of the translation stills from your own lore video and all you do for the community. Much love
This is by far the most in-depth and comprehensive video that I've seen on the mythology of Noita. Very well done! It's nice to put these things into context that otherwise I've clearly only had a cursory grasp on up until now. It just makes the game that much more interesting and it really goes to show just how much thought and love the developers put into this game. It's almost kind of mind-blowing how deep it goes and how they tied everything together like that. They didn't have to do any of that and Noita would still be an amazing game. But they did! EDIT: Forgot to say what I originally came to say: Thanks for the video! It's clear you also put a lot of work into it and piecing everything together, which I know all to well is a task in and of itself. Good job, keep doing what you do
Just another theory to throw in this amazing piece of work, is that Noita itself is allegory for a path alchemist must take to finish great Work. Like, through earth (mines), fire (coal mines), water and air (frozen and jungle biome is both look like a mix of this elements) and through the temple of Art. Though, it may be the part of allegory, that taking straight path will live you ignorant of other aspects of Art, but taking all of the side paths and gathering knowledge will make your journey harder. I don't think Noita protagonist is a particular witch- just a random seeker of true Knowledge. And in the end room, where you activate this "all into gold" gear, you can see hands, as if it still from some fps, so the whole process might apply to changes within the alchemist himself, if that makes sense in my bad english.
*and in finnish mythology, this world we live in, is actually illusionary world- not the real one. So making this allegory, when all the game happens inside the true protagonist (who is, ultimately, the player himself) is may be a nod to that part of illusive nature of what we think reality is
I think the games story mixes with its gameplay so well, with how mysterious the Wand system is and how big the world seems at first , only for experience to broaden your horizons further while making it all seem less daunting is a masterclass in storytelling via games. Especially in a genre with so many games with no real story (minus a select few such as hades) having a deep underlying myth is a strong point less people admire, really loved this video man I was waiting for something like this relating to noita! 😀
OMG I JUST RAN ACROSS THIS ARTICLE: www.abandonedspaces.com/mansion/the-initiation-well-at-quinta-da-regaleira-near-sinta-portugal.html It's about a medieval "inverted tower" meant to initiate Templars into Hermetic mysteries; they had to descend down into this well in the dark, find their way thru an underground maze, and then ascend another similar "tower" to complete their initiation! The article even has a very familiar quote near the beginning...
I would love to see something inspired by Native American folklore. If for no other reason than to learn more about the individual tribes and their belief systems.
Tuck V Well and, I might add, respectfully said. I fully believe that a respectful and faithful depiction of those beliefs and cultural mythology could (and should!) be done, but also agree it could be easily exploited and corrupted. I wonder if there are any Native American/Indigenous/American Indian game creators out there working on such a project?
i was thinking of this too. Native Americans have some pretty in depth stories and beliefs that by outsiders standards (i.e. non-native americans) can be quite psychedelic at times. If done properly, it could be a great basis for a roguelike story. Issue with using Native American is the people in those stories are still alive, nobody truly believes in norse/greek mythology anymore so accidentally doing a pretty piss poor job is usually overlooked while for the native americans it could be a legit insult if done wrong.
That would be pretty cool too! ...if rather difficult because of the repeated crimes done against them by the settlers and the American government over the ages. :(
I just go with how I feel hehe when it comes to pronunciation, i often find being confident in how you say it it rarther than being right still works :P
I'd like to see something based on traditional Russian folklore, because its not so popular not only among the global community, but even among Russians themselves, even though it has many rather unique and interesting things which can both be useful for a gameplay and have an exotic "wrapping"
Wanted give a lil detail that noita used mean a kinda shaman,it became witch with christhianiazation of finland,which in my opinion gives more depth to their idea cause a noita knows the souls origin and so speaks it to command and use it for good or evil whatever they want,so this is a view of noita as controlling the alchemy elements by learning their origins and find this add more beauty to their use of Finnish polytheism and alchemy
Had a run yesterday where in the wizard den I came across a room that had 19, yes 19 ukkos just chilling in there. They were next to some cursed rock so diamonds were spilling everywhere and they all ended up drowning in their own gemmy blood. It was hilarious watching them squirm, the bastards. Room was closed off btw
Aye, its the way of making sure i do something i want done and not have procrastination fully win XD tell at least a thousand people im definatly doing something cool eventually XD
Neat video! So, the lore can be summed up as general mythology plus specific tales, and how they interact in the game's world? Wait how **is** that world called?
Aye, although Alchemy, from what I understood, took very little influence in the way of Finnish Mythology (unless anyone wants to send me the way of some good history :) ). Hense why a forced connection via the game via the sampo worked so well outside of any historical context. They just had similarities that coincedentally work super well together
I was reading one of the wikis and found mention of 4 works or trials, 3 that could be done in game and one that could not. I cannot for the life of me remember where i came across this.
a very good collection of research, thank you i really enjoyed this video. the pronunciation was a bit hard to sit through, one key thing is that a lot of continental european languages use the letter J with the pronunciation of the letter Y in english
Just quik note. I have heard version of stolen sampo before, but the version i am familiar Sampo was not stolen, it was traded for Louhis daughter. But once the daughter died heroes thought sampo should belong to them and went to get it back. And also in my oppinion Louhi is not evil. She may seem wicked from perspective of folks of kalevala but i think she is just cold and hard bussiness woman.
I watched hereditary recently and it spoke About the lesser kings of Satan it would be sick to get s rougle like game here you have to beat all these guys?
i'd liek something inspired by a mix of mythologies from the asian east coast, from eastern siberia over japan, including micronesian and maori tribes :)
AAAAYYYYY There it is! Thanks for all the effort into this one man! Really enjoyed the context for all of this. The one thing I'd add from my own personal research/experience is another perspective on the Magnum Opus, which some refer to as the philosopher's stone, and even alchemy in general. Many people believe that true alchemy actually occurs within the practitioner. "To change one's mind is to change the world" would be the best way to describe the concept. They believe there are many levels of such alchemy, starting with basic action bringing ideas into form. Then this leads to human's capacity to create controlled chemical reactions. It culminates, when purity of intention is established, with the capacity, supposedly, to modify form with thought itself. The prime example of this would be Jesus turning water into wine and creating fish for his followers. Just an interesting perspective I picked up along the way that I thought you may find intriguing. = ) Love ya bro, thanks again for the great video!
*Very* nice video, brother!
Highly Appreciated ma dude, especially as your videos are the standard for top quality content in noita. Means a lot man. Once again, appreciate the kind acceptance for the use of the translation stills from your own lore video and all you do for the community. Much love
forged. forged with anger. great anger.
no matter how popular noita is, it is criminally underrated
You are right.
This is by far the most in-depth and comprehensive video that I've seen on the mythology of Noita. Very well done! It's nice to put these things into context that otherwise I've clearly only had a cursory grasp on up until now. It just makes the game that much more interesting and it really goes to show just how much thought and love the developers put into this game. It's almost kind of mind-blowing how deep it goes and how they tied everything together like that. They didn't have to do any of that and Noita would still be an amazing game. But they did!
EDIT: Forgot to say what I originally came to say: Thanks for the video! It's clear you also put a lot of work into it and piecing everything together, which I know all to well is a task in and of itself. Good job, keep doing what you do
ngl learning lore while sheep get yeeted into the stratosphere is incredibly satisfying
Just another theory to throw in this amazing piece of work, is that Noita itself is allegory for a path alchemist must take to finish great Work. Like, through earth (mines), fire (coal mines), water and air (frozen and jungle biome is both look like a mix of this elements) and through the temple of Art.
Though, it may be the part of allegory, that taking straight path will live you ignorant of other aspects of Art, but taking all of the side paths and gathering knowledge will make your journey harder.
I don't think Noita protagonist is a particular witch- just a random seeker of true Knowledge.
And in the end room, where you activate this "all into gold" gear, you can see hands, as if it still from some fps, so the whole process might apply to changes within the alchemist himself, if that makes sense in my bad english.
*and in finnish mythology, this world we live in, is actually illusionary world- not the real one. So making this allegory, when all the game happens inside the true protagonist (who is, ultimately, the player himself) is may be a nod to that part of illusive nature of what we think reality is
I think the games story mixes with its gameplay so well, with how mysterious the Wand system is and how big the world seems at first , only for experience to broaden your horizons further while making it all seem less daunting is a masterclass in storytelling via games. Especially in a genre with so many games with no real story (minus a select few such as hades) having a deep underlying myth is a strong point less people admire, really loved this video man I was waiting for something like this relating to noita! 😀
OMG I JUST RAN ACROSS THIS ARTICLE: www.abandonedspaces.com/mansion/the-initiation-well-at-quinta-da-regaleira-near-sinta-portugal.html
It's about a medieval "inverted tower" meant to initiate Templars into Hermetic mysteries; they had to descend down into this well in the dark, find their way thru an underground maze, and then ascend another similar "tower" to complete their initiation! The article even has a very familiar quote near the beginning...
playing noita while being finnish and recognising the karelian lore influence is a delightful experience
I would love to see something inspired by Native American folklore. If for no other reason than to learn more about the individual tribes and their belief systems.
Aye, that would be dope, definatly if it took from the spiritual nature of it all, some cool outdoor visuals for that one definatly ^^
Tuck V Well and, I might add, respectfully said. I fully believe that a respectful and faithful depiction of those beliefs and cultural mythology could (and should!) be done, but also agree it could be easily exploited and corrupted. I wonder if there are any Native American/Indigenous/American Indian game creators out there working on such a project?
i was thinking of this too.
Native Americans have some pretty in depth stories and beliefs that by outsiders standards (i.e. non-native americans) can be quite psychedelic at times. If done properly, it could be a great basis for a roguelike story.
Issue with using Native American is the people in those stories are still alive, nobody truly believes in norse/greek mythology anymore so accidentally doing a pretty piss poor job is usually overlooked while for the native americans it could be a legit insult if done wrong.
That would be pretty cool too! ...if rather difficult because of the repeated crimes done against them by the settlers and the American government over the ages. :(
@@TheActualMrLink why would it be difficult?
the world needs a game loosely based on Inuit folklore
This is part of The Great Work, bud. Very well done!
Love the pronunciations of Finnish words. I know they aren't easy :D This made me want to read Kalevala again!
I just go with how I feel hehe when it comes to pronunciation, i often find being confident in how you say it it rarther than being right still works :P
@@LetsSufferTogether Have you heard Finnish people speak "rally" english? :D
@@MrSirvelin I don't believe I have as I'm not sure what that means, any examples you could show and tell via a link?
@@LetsSufferTogether I'm not sure if this is the best example but it's one of the funniest :D
th-cam.com/video/TAGbrM-MMRk/w-d-xo.html
I'd like to see something based on traditional Russian folklore, because its not so popular not only among the global community, but even among Russians themselves, even though it has many rather unique and interesting things which can both be useful for a gameplay and have an exotic "wrapping"
Yiss! The domovoi, Koschi the Deathless, and such!
@@keithklassen5320 bannik, kikimora, bogatyrs... Sadko, Underwater King etc etc etc...
Interesting stuff.
About your question: I think a rogue-lite based on anything Neil Gaiman wrote would be cool. Maybe Sandman or American Gods.
Awww man, an american gods R/lite would be amazing thinking about it
We're back in the mountains! Brilliant work on this video. Thank you for all the great content and videos in 2020. Looking forward to more!
0:49 The Real Noita Experience
I loled so hard
Wanted give a lil detail that noita used mean a kinda shaman,it became witch with christhianiazation of finland,which in my opinion gives more depth to their idea cause a noita knows the souls origin and so speaks it to command and use it for good or evil whatever they want,so this is a view of noita as controlling the alchemy elements by learning their origins and find this add more beauty to their use of Finnish polytheism and alchemy
11:03 poor sheep... might still be flying...
They just on the Noita Space Program,,, Now orbiting the earth and collecting SpaceData
Had a run yesterday where in the wizard den I came across a room that had 19, yes 19 ukkos just chilling in there. They were next to some cursed rock so diamonds were spilling everywhere and they all ended up drowning in their own gemmy blood. It was hilarious watching them squirm, the bastards. Room was closed off btw
been hypin this for a while, good stuff mate. cheers
Aye, its the way of making sure i do something i want done and not have procrastination fully win XD tell at least a thousand people im definatly doing something cool eventually XD
Neat video!
So, the lore can be summed up as general mythology plus specific tales, and how they interact in the game's world?
Wait how **is** that world called?
Aye, although Alchemy, from what I understood, took very little influence in the way of Finnish Mythology (unless anyone wants to send me the way of some good history :) ). Hense why a forced connection via the game via the sampo worked so well outside of any historical context. They just had similarities that coincedentally work super well together
Honestly, I’d love to see a roguelike based in Irish mythology!
Don't piss off the fae
This video is really impressive. I can say it as a finnish person
I was reading one of the wikis and found mention of 4 works or trials, 3 that could be done in game and one that could not. I cannot for the life of me remember where i came across this.
a very good collection of research, thank you i really enjoyed this video. the pronunciation was a bit hard to sit through, one key thing is that a lot of continental european languages use the letter J with the pronunciation of the letter Y in english
Just quik note. I have heard version of stolen sampo before, but the version i am familiar Sampo was not stolen, it was traded for Louhis daughter. But once the daughter died heroes thought sampo should belong to them and went to get it back. And also in my oppinion Louhi is not evil. She may seem wicked from perspective of folks of kalevala but i think she is just cold and hard bussiness woman.
I watched hereditary recently and it spoke About the lesser kings of Satan it would be sick to get s rougle like game here you have to beat all these guys?
This so great work maaaaaaaaaaaaaan...
I'm really sorry for seeing this much views
Beautiful !!!
i'd liek something inspired by a mix of mythologies from the asian east coast, from eastern siberia over japan, including micronesian and maori tribes :)
i came here for answers, it would seem i have more questions and a book to read
Wow great job dude
U'r historian , right?
I did history in Uni and got my degree in it ^^
Wooo!
Great video
Thank You kindly :)
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asian mythologies????
Yeah that was weird, lol. European takes longer to say, I guess! ;)
@@keithklassen5320 ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, right at the beginning... I said ancient :P Just the accent bro ;)
Shiet, eastern Slav mythology is 90% same as finish, or vice versa
Fire
3:29 suffer says sex 😳 guysyse whyf did sufre say s*x??? i cant wat ch yo u anyrmkore suffar... tht is inapprweopriated!
Now I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure Noita is about Scandinavian myth over asian influence
First?
Eighth
Hey guys lets create a sun!
Lovely video