Love the video. I always thought the "bad at maths" part of the list was just an incredibly ironic comment on Ray meaning to kill one person, but being bad at maths and killing two (the priest and the boy)
Great Film and Interesting deconstruction. However, I don't know if gender is the most appropriate lense to look at this film through. In Bruges is literally the relationship (for lack of better description), between the two main characters and their boss, following the accidental killing of a child. Deafeningly absent from your analysis showcasing 'Toxic Masculinity' is the fact that all characters are responsible and accountable for their actions, by their own strong morals on the respective issues, and then by the other men according to their morals on the issue (If we are to look at this through gender). In fact, the whole movie surrounds three men who would give their lives for their morals and/or friends. This is not what the movie is about, but it is how the story progresses and how the characters react to stimuli. Now you could certainly claim the characters may have some conflicting morals. It would be difficult to find a character in film or real life that doesn't. However, to claim any morals, which are steadfast on protecting children, protecting your friends and 'having the buck stop with you', to correlate with being toxic, and more specifically, as a result of them being male is unfortunately inaccurate and seemingly agenda based.
I agree mostly but I disagree with the term 'agenda'. Couldn't this not simple be how little white lies viewed the movie and there interpretation of the movie. Like I understand the youtuber point and can see how it could be interpreted that way
I’ve played In Bruges literally dozens of times (I think you study McDonagh films, not watch) and have never considered this element. Thank you. Magnificent analysis.
In Bruges is a near perfect film. Only one plot point was not done with the proper care it deserved. I'd like to believe it was because Martin McDonough did not have the budget for additional scenes. The scene where Ray is arrested on the train and brought back doesn't hold up. There was no prior scene showing the Canadian observing Ray get on the train to make the apprehension feasible. Are we to believe that this observation occurred off camera, in the viewer's imagination? I understand that there needed to be some event to get Ray back to Bruges for the ending to work, but this should have been done through a scene or two. The way it unfolded was not believable.
I haven't the film in a bit, but wasn't the canadian the same person in the restaurant? I dont think it's that needed to show a scene where the canadian physically sees Ray board the train. The more important factor is that if Ray didn't make enemies with the canadian in the restaurant, he would have escaped from Bruges without issue.
Women can be violent? I cannot believe it. Women are amazingly perfect beings with superior morality, or so we keep being told. Surely you're mistaken.
I do understand a lot of your analysis, but just wholely disagree on many parts, that are according to you toxic masculinity. The only part that I would agree on is Harry. He is obsessed with his principle and breaking that, is in my opinion a big part of the films message. As is said, there is redemption and taking a life is not the solution. But nonetheless although I do agree there must be a lot of masculinity obsessed energy in the Underworld Ray and Ken come from I would also like to add that Harry does apologize to his wife for calling her an inanimate fucking object. Doesn't make the outburst unhappen, but still makes it seem like he thinks about this kind of stuff and thinks it was wrong. Also if she was afraid of this outburst, or if it was that normal for him, why would she point out to him how stupid it is? And in regards to Ray, I think you're completely right he is very much a child, but I don't think his explanation is from focus on masculinity, I think he's just honestly explaining why he did it and because of the bottle. And I think he's also not trying to victimize himself in turn. I think he's honestly worried, that she's gonna turn away from him now, which is admittedly justified. If there is something that would be weird, it's his "God your beautiful" exclamation, which could very well be changing the topic. And speaking of the incident in the restaurant in specific, I don't think he was right actually. The Canadian was a dick, but still it was not the right response and Ray with his thinking on regards of states (aka the Vietnamese thing) is pretty strange, but I think thats just him being slightly socially stupid and having not a lot of knowledge about most things in general including Bruges. But also as much as hitting anybody is wrong, how would you react, if somebody goes at you with a bottle, I don't know what I'd do... I do think the weird masculinity of Harry is a minor topic, but it's not this fight within Ray as which you portray it and it's not whats keeping Ray from facing his actions. Thats simply the guilt and the fact he really can't forgive himself. That and redemption is in my opinion the far greater topic of the film. It ends with him wanting to survive, that's the whole point. Of course he's emotinally insensitive and a manchild combined with a strange extrovertedness, but I don't think he adheres to Harrys logic and of hierarchy in any way really. I also think he didn't want to insult the americans at the tower, he was in way I think just trying to be honest. But hey that's just my opinion. Maybe you're closer to what McDonagh envisioned, I don't know, just doesn't feel like it to me from the tone of the movie :)
It’s jarring how this otherwise excellent analysis of the toxic masculinity depicted never once mentions the very conspicuous and abundant homophobic slurs in the movie.
The very few decent points you make are almost completely obscured by the deluge of feminist bullshit. Regurgitating Judith Butler doesn't make you sound smart, but it does make insightful analysis of any artistic work nigh on impossible.
I've seen so many examples of pretentious pompous "analysts" who rely on toxic fem ideological talking points instead of actual analysis. It's so tiring.
Love the video. I always thought the "bad at maths" part of the list was just an incredibly ironic comment on Ray meaning to kill one person, but being bad at maths and killing two (the priest and the boy)
Here it is a list of McDonagh's filmography:
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wow that's actually super twisted when you think about like that
This Movie is a Masterpiece, loved every second of it!
I just watched it tonight and that's the exact word I used 👌🏻
Watching you say "bad at maths" is "bad at school" was quite funny.
Love this, and I cannot wait to see Banshees once it starts coming out at my local theaters
Great Film and Interesting deconstruction. However, I don't know if gender is the most appropriate lense to look at this film through.
In Bruges is literally the relationship (for lack of better description), between the two main characters and their boss, following the accidental killing of a child. Deafeningly absent from your analysis showcasing 'Toxic Masculinity' is the fact that all characters are responsible and accountable for their actions, by their own strong morals on the respective issues, and then by the other men according to their morals on the issue (If we are to look at this through gender).
In fact, the whole movie surrounds three men who would give their lives for their morals and/or friends. This is not what the movie is about, but it is how the story progresses and how the characters react to stimuli. Now you could certainly claim the characters may have some conflicting morals. It would be difficult to find a character in film or real life that doesn't. However, to claim any morals, which are steadfast on protecting children, protecting your friends and 'having the buck stop with you', to correlate with being toxic, and more specifically, as a result of them being male is unfortunately inaccurate and seemingly agenda based.
Well said
Thank you, well said. You correctly identified the agenda behind it.
I agree mostly but I disagree with the term 'agenda'. Couldn't this not simple be how little white lies viewed the movie and there interpretation of the movie.
Like I understand the youtuber point and can see how it could be interpreted that way
Now compare it to Waiting for Godot. McDonagh's underlying inspo. One of my absolutely all-time favourite films this.
I’ve played In Bruges literally dozens of times (I think you study McDonagh films, not watch) and have never considered this element. Thank you. Magnificent analysis.
Have I just found a super underrated channel? Yes, I think I have. adding all of your videos to my watch later playlist rn
Phenomenal dissection! Poking fun at masculinity is one of my favorite elements of Mcdonaghs work
because soy boys can't stand strong men
In Bruges is a near perfect film. Only one plot point was not done with the proper care it deserved. I'd like to believe it was because Martin McDonough did not have the budget for additional scenes.
The scene where Ray is arrested on the train and brought back doesn't hold up. There was no prior scene showing the Canadian observing Ray get on the train to make the apprehension feasible. Are we to believe that this observation occurred off camera, in the viewer's imagination? I understand that there needed to be some event to get Ray back to Bruges for the ending to work, but this should have been done through a scene or two. The way it unfolded was not believable.
I haven't the film in a bit, but wasn't the canadian the same person in the restaurant? I dont think it's that needed to show a scene where the canadian physically sees Ray board the train. The more important factor is that if Ray didn't make enemies with the canadian in the restaurant, he would have escaped from Bruges without issue.
Having principles and resorting to violence is not a inherently male thing. This is the worst possible take from watching this movie.
Women can be violent? I cannot believe it. Women are amazingly perfect beings with superior morality, or so we keep being told. Surely you're mistaken.
Excepcional COLIN FARRELL , um excelente ator, adoro vê-lo interpretar 👏👏👏❤
I do understand a lot of your analysis, but just wholely disagree on many parts, that are according to you toxic masculinity. The only part that I would agree on is Harry. He is obsessed with his principle and breaking that, is in my opinion a big part of the films message. As is said, there is redemption and taking a life is not the solution. But nonetheless although I do agree there must be a lot of masculinity obsessed energy in the Underworld Ray and Ken come from I would also like to add that Harry does apologize to his wife for calling her an inanimate fucking object. Doesn't make the outburst unhappen, but still makes it seem like he thinks about this kind of stuff and thinks it was wrong. Also if she was afraid of this outburst, or if it was that normal for him, why would she point out to him how stupid it is? And in regards to Ray, I think you're completely right he is very much a child, but I don't think his explanation is from focus on masculinity, I think he's just honestly explaining why he did it and because of the bottle. And I think he's also not trying to victimize himself in turn. I think he's honestly worried, that she's gonna turn away from him now, which is admittedly justified. If there is something that would be weird, it's his "God your beautiful" exclamation, which could very well be changing the topic. And speaking of the incident in the restaurant in specific, I don't think he was right actually. The Canadian was a dick, but still it was not the right response and Ray with his thinking on regards of states (aka the Vietnamese thing) is pretty strange, but I think thats just him being slightly socially stupid and having not a lot of knowledge about most things in general including Bruges. But also as much as hitting anybody is wrong, how would you react, if somebody goes at you with a bottle, I don't know what I'd do...
I do think the weird masculinity of Harry is a minor topic, but it's not this fight within Ray as which you portray it and it's not whats keeping Ray from facing his actions. Thats simply the guilt and the fact he really can't forgive himself. That and redemption is in my opinion the far greater topic of the film. It ends with him wanting to survive, that's the whole point. Of course he's emotinally insensitive and a manchild combined with a strange extrovertedness, but I don't think he adheres to Harrys logic and of hierarchy in any way really. I also think he didn't want to insult the americans at the tower, he was in way I think just trying to be honest. But hey that's just my opinion. Maybe you're closer to what McDonagh envisioned, I don't know, just doesn't feel like it to me from the tone of the movie :)
Fav movie
it would be cool to see McConagh do a film about toxic femininity next
Go against the orthodoxy? CRITICIZE WOMEN? are you insane? never gonna happen.
It’s jarring how this otherwise excellent analysis of the toxic masculinity depicted never once mentions the very conspicuous and abundant homophobic slurs in the movie.
The very few decent points you make are almost completely obscured by the deluge of feminist bullshit. Regurgitating Judith Butler doesn't make you sound smart, but it does make insightful analysis of any artistic work nigh on impossible.
I've seen so many examples of pretentious pompous "analysts" who rely on toxic fem ideological talking points instead of actual analysis. It's so tiring.
why🤣