Suzaku is Misundertsood | Code Geass Character Analysis
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.พ. 2022
- Have you ever wondered what Suzaku truly values under all the false truths? Look no further because that's the question I'll be answering today. Code Geass is a Anime like no other and we're going to take a deep dive into one of the shows most complex characters.
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Suzaku contradicts himself without knowing while lelouch tends to keep lying just to hide his real thoughts and ideals. Yeah the dynamics of those two are really at polar opposites but they still look the same
I honestly don't think he contradicts himself till like the end of r1.
Till then he's like an optimistic typical shonen protag.
Hm
“Your fucking moral compass is a roulette wheel!”
-Lelouch
He can live entirely on a diet of crayons and lighter fluid
his greatest superpower.
don't forget fish, but they're not quite for eating
"code geass is turning 16 this year"
my millennial ass: and i took that personally
Suzaku, I feel, is just a face for the values of ignorant hypocrisy. Not ignorant as in just not knowing, but ignorant as in being fully aware of what you’re doing but being unbeknownst to your emotions and morals in the sense. I feel Suzaku is one of the most misunderstood and hated character in the series. He has a very strong sense of morals, sure, but in most of the scenarios he was thrown into in the show, his sense of morals kind of ended up being a roulette wheel of what Suzaku himself believes to be right. His whole character is just a face for the idealistic and naive (for lack of a better term) view points of war. He thinks being able to change things from the inside of an organization will also benefit the people on the outside, but he also realizes that in order to do that, he needs to help in “hurting” the people he’s trying to help. It’s almost like he was trapped in a locked room with his morals and values with no way of escaping and therefore thinks that he is on the right side of spectrum whilst being affiliated with the wrong side. If this was any other mecha anime, then Suzaku would be the protagonist. His ideals and personality and goals are very much similar to many other mecha protagonists we’ve all seen before. So in a way, his characters is both a satire and an eye-opening reality to main characters who think they’re in the right and end up romanticizing the whole situation they’ve been thrown into.
Well said
I think a great word to discribe Suzaku is what Jordan Peterson calls "Willful blindness". It's basically what people in fascists societies do to keep their ideology pure.
4:17
Technically back then, Suzaku didn't hold any ideals (neither deontology or consequentialism) when he killed his father he was just desperate.
Also the invasion of Japan made me hate Charles zi Britannia even more, because why? Why would you wage war on a nation where you exiled your own children?!
Lelouch's life was meant to be a shield to the lives of Japan. None of the tragedies and Suzaku would've never been put in such burdening position with his father had Lelouch's gave a damn about him.
Yessir, I don't remember how I said it in the video, but I was trying to convey that his was just a child acting on his emotions in the moment. Also Charles is big asshole
@@socksensei IKR? To me it was unsurprising when Charles did it, but I couldn't help but attempt to punch a wall when I saw that Marianne didn't care either.
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@@coolboysupreme5487 Yeahhhh, definitely not winning any parent of the year awards for their actions
@@socksensei But anyways well done on this video. Here is another physiological analysis on Suzaku; th-cam.com/video/p0LYBRDFiOg/w-d-xo.html
Here is more recommended dissection videos you can do, if you want.
1. Milly Ashford; with her struggle after her family's nobility being stripped for supporting lelouch's mother. WHY she makes events, and why she acts so energetic.
2. Jeremiah Gottwald: his loyalty to throne. His motivations after Marianne's death.
3. Nina Einstein; how her insecurities developed and why she didn't stop and think with her actions after she built the FLEIJA.
4. Kaname Ohgi: the motivations behind him betraying Lelouch for Villetta.
4. Villetta Nu: coming to terms with falling in love with a Japanese/"Eleven" and her duty to Britannia.
"Why is a guy that is so against killing kill his own father?" Well he wasn't the guy who really hated killing at that point. He was just a child. The guy that is so against killing comes from that event. So it doesn't really makes sense to question why child Suzaku killed his father with that argument.
Those values he has as an adult and through most of the show is from that event. So calling him inconsistent from that is isn't valid.
I saw in an other video discussing Lelouch and Suzaku. That Suzaku's philosophy as a child was; killing his father to save more people that would die a meaningless death. However he felt so bad and was so scared and traumatized by this act (That he still feels is the right choice.) That he couldn't stand thinking about it in another way that how much he hated it. He of course hates the fact he killed his father. So a phycological trigger happened in him that is called reaction theory. Which basically means that you form a new personality/ideals that is the opposite of what you truly feels. Perfect example in the real world is homophobes that turn out to be gay.
You can check out the video for yourself it's super good but long. It's called The Dynamics of Lelouch and Suzaku and the part I'm talking about starts at 25:17
Great analysis, I especially like how u ended off with a question
Code Geass content should be acknowledged but more people the anime is one of the best created and people should really stop by looking at the anime and the anime's content on youtube
One thing you are kinda glossing over is that Suzaku's 17 year old philosophy is the same as his 10 year old self, which is kind of a silly thing to imply as Suzaku would have no reason to have such a philosophy at that age, it is more likely that Suzaku's murder of his father is the basis of why he doesn't commit murders and tries to not kill
It is a core factor but you also have to take into account what drove him to kill his father at the time, and what dilemma led him to hold onto and attempt to justify his actions both past, present and future.
@@socksenseimake more code geass analysis
Amazing analysis!
SPIOLERS: BROOOOO I JUST STARTED WATCHING CODE GEASS AND WANTED TO SEE IF PEOPLE DISLIKED HIM AS MUCH AS ME AND NOW I FIND OUT BRO OFFED HIS FATHER
dude, this analysis is sick! it's nice to see suzaku get some proper discussion and love. such. a fascinating character -- honestly my favorite in code geass. nice vid!
3:40 I think Suzaku simply didn't know about the massacre. He was knocked out while the command was given and executed, and he may have thought that the terrorists were the ones to slaughter them. Or if he saw them at all underneath the debris.
He ran out and tried to stop the Britannia knights from shooting the Japanese and got briefed on what happened when tending to euphy so I think he knows
@@socksensei he didn't try to stop the britannians. At least not in the anime. He was shot, and woke up when the massacre was done.
@@tamaspeterradvanyi1445 Episode 22, at the 18:20 mark he literally runs through the stadium and tells the brits to cease fire to which they reply nah bro we were told to kill all japanese
@@socksensei the video speaks about the first massacre ordered by clovis in ep1
@@tamaspeterradvanyi1445 he works for the people who openly shoot civilians, i think he is fully aware who killed the civilians.
Awesome analysis. Want to see a character analysis of Johan Liebert from Monster.
I actually haven't watched or read monster yet, but it's been on my list. Looks like I got a reason to now, stay tuned :)
5:43 Thank you for pointing that out because it sometimes irritates me beyond belief that people who hate lelouch and support Suzaku without question practically ignore this fact all together. In fact afew years ago I remember encountering a TH-camr who hated lelouch and saw Britannia as the heroes. . .
Like by God how ignorant and borderline arrogant could you be. Did you even watch the show?
GREAT VIDE YOU BEAUTIFUL MAN
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The soldiers at the Euphy masscre already wanted to masscre the japanese, but they dared not disobey their princess. but when it seemed she wanted them to, they didn't question it at all, outside a couple people who knew the princess better.
I kind of disagree. Euphy has to fire at a japanese for the soldiers to begin firing, and honestly, at this point, when the first blood has been shed, you could almost say that the mob could riot and try and attack the princess. As soon as Euphy fires and kills an innocent man, innocence and peace is gone. She actually has to go to this length, and has repeated the order to kill all japanese multiple times. A general of the empire, Darlton, even counter orders her order, orders for the broadcasts to be stopped etc...
Honestly, I don't think the soldiers were that eager to massacre people. If they were, they would begin firing the second Euphemia orders them to, but they don't. I think what we have to take into account, is that Britannians are humans. They might be prejudiced, even racists and thinks themselves as better than the japanese, but it doesn't mean that all of them are crazed genocidal monsters. For the most part, they just obey orders from their generals/royal family.
Let's be honest here, the black knights, when attacking the order of the geass and killing everyone, who are civilians and have no weapon to fight back, are questionning the orders of Lelouch, BUT they are carrying it anyway. Just because we don't see knightmare pilots have the same questions about the rightness of their crimes doesn't mean all Britannian soldiers, nobles and knighmare pilots want to kill everyone just because they aren't Britannians. Maybe they think they don't know everything, maybe they think it is a necessary evil to destroy the japanese resistance, which they probably think of as terrorists. And by the way, they actually kind of are. The fact that the JLF takes people, mostly adolescents by the way, hostages, and even kill a poor civilian by throwing him from the roof, shows that the japanese rebels cause acts of terrorism. I'm not saying I don't understand WHY the japanese rebels resort to terrorism, but the facts are, JLF are killing innocent Britannians too, so their hands are not free of blood either, and you could argue that Britannian soldiers could just see themselves when killing those civilians as protectors of their people.
I know what he wants but I just don’t get how he’ll do it in an empire where being royalty is everything.
I understand it’s philosophically deep and all but ama just say it straightforwardly suzaku is the biggest hypocrite maybe after that guy who was blaming Mikey after he killed his brother (from Tokyo revengers I kinda forgot his name)
I'd love to see what your thoughts are on Jeremiah Gottwald !
that'd be a fun guy to analyze, he really got warped by those around him but found his purpose in the end
If Suzaku lost his arms, he will be useless.
If Lelouch lost his arms, he will still be the a main character.
But so much less charismatic, without its theatrics! :p
Unlike Lelouch Suzaku is an actual character who makes mistakes comes to gripes with them and changes.
Lelouch makes mistakes and everyone ebends over backwards to justify them the most insane case being Shirley who forgave him for KILLING HER DAD because "oh it was an accident" even though it wasn't. Because she's inlove with Lelouch because oh right she watched him change a guys tire once and that made her realize he was "special".
What are you talking about? Shirely didn’t fall for Lelouch because anything like that, he only stood up to corruption in front of her eyes and that intrigued her, her love was later developed. Shirely never forgave Lelouch by saying it’s an accident she forgave Lelouch because she realized he was doing it all out of love for someone else and she even acknowledges the fact her emotions for Lelouch is so strong that she loved him even after hating zero/Lelouch for killing her father and she just couldn’t change her feelings because they were so deep.
@@ItzSwxzy Lol no she didn't she literally explains in a flashback that she fell for Ledouche because he "wasn't like the other boys" when she saw him change a tired. Watch the show not fanfiction.
@@anthonyjohnson6199actually he explained it quite right. The reason you gave for Shirley forgiving Lelouch Was never like so mentioned by her in the Show, neither did she state that in the Manga.
@@phillifrstsaxony7738 We weren't talking about her forgiving Lelouch we were talking about why she was "in love" with him. Try and keep up princess.
SUZAKU worst character ever he's sooo dumb
Siding with the enemy that commits genocide and killing he's people is ok but when one Britanian dies as a collateral damage he starts to cry and gets angry
we need this on Karen! i just finished the series (for the 2nd time) on re-broadcast and it skipped alot of stuff for some reason
I thought after he killed his father was when he decided you had to work from inside the system. Through this video, you implied that Suzaku's philosophy remain consistent. But it didn't, It changed. If we consider what happened, with the prime minster's death leading Japan to be turn into a sector with little rights - Everything that happened to Japan is directly Suzaku's fault. That Suzaku's desire to save people as a kid led to more death.
Suzaku knows what he did to his father and to Japan was wrong. Which is why he hates himself and has a death wish. He didn't turn a blind eye to what was happening to his people, he just wasn't going to step out of line and rebel. He did a miniature rebellion with his dad, it didn't yield good results.
Also, I don't think he has an undying faith that change can happen from the inside - he just reject change from the outside, believing any change caused from the outside isn't worth anything - with his dad being the reason.
His ideals weren't realistic, but he secretly has a death wish, which was taken away from him due to Geass.
You got that right.
Why blame him tho, gotta think of possibilities though…
1. betrayed his own race & nation by join the enemy side.
2. he fight everyone who wanted to rebel against britain, but he also can't protect the people who are being bullied by britain.
He want to be justice, but he cant' do any justice.
My theory Lelouch didn't die Suzaku didn't kill his dad Their teaming up makes sense because mastermind is VV emperor and his wife (lulu mommy)
What is the philosophy of Code Geass?
There's a lot of different topics that tie into the story, a few being: Utilitarian, Pragmatism, Existentialism, and questions about morality, justice, and ideologies. There's really a lot to talk about when it comes to philosophy and this show
@@socksensei Is Lelouch an excellent character too?
@@loveainme7795 Yea I love his character! His approach to everything is very human and they don't try to paint him as this perfect being.
@@socksensei Could you please tell me some philosophy deep themes in Code Geass in Existentialism and Morals?
@@loveainme7795 Well existentialism can be summarized by the question of "why am i here?" or "what is my purpose?" we see both Suzaku and Lelouch struggle with this thought, and this is very evident in Lelouch at the start of season 2 when he's dealing with having deceive Nunally. Morals is an extremely large topic of the show and with things like I outlined in the video about Suzaku.
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Ahaha thought this what if
suzaku killed his father his traitor i hate him more than any char in code gueass
He seemed fine killing his dad, don’t think killing lelouch was enough for him I don’t think he repented. He never got what he deserved imo
Also I think your framing of character is way off. Suzaku doesn't try to avoid going to war with Brittania because the last time his country tried they got their shit pushed in so bad that that his dad was basically going to go Total War mode and completely destroy Japan with nukes.
Suzaku doesn't have a magical eye power that lets him userp free will. He's just some kid whose good martial arts whose family disowned him.
I think suzaku actions reflect the trolley problem in philosophy completely, he values the number more, like he killed his father bcz he knew by killing one, he can save many people dying in name of nationalism. No matter what the conditions are afterwards, atleast they will be alive. He cares about how many lives he can save, no matter what the race, religion, etc is.
Actually stfu
Suzaku said he wanted to change the britannia
But what he did was stagnate it
He himself didnt change a thing
All he did was stop zero from changing britanny outside
Suzaku is not a complex character
He is badly written because he is used when the plot needs him
He wants to change britania but he also doesn't have a problem dieing
He is alot contradictions but the story didn't build up him up to be this way or nor I think was the purpose of his character because he doesn't have a realisation in the end that he is intead a hypocrite.
Can you explain to me this contradiction then
How the fuck is suzaku gonna change the world when he is dead?
He says he wants to change britania from the inside but he also wants to die.
He never wanted to change Britain, it was what he told himself to move on, he wanted to die, period... that was his excuse not to blow his brains out and die in battle with honor
2:49 the irony that you'd say this immediately after saying you're from the US and saying its a country built on rebellion is very funny. Somehow I find it hard to believe you're currently plotting the downfall of the american government despite it also currently doing genocide and racism. So you're not really any different from Suzaku after all, except you haven't actually joined the american military so I guess there's that.
I'm not sure where you're from but there's a 90% chance that your country has committed crimes against humanity as well. I can't control where I'm born and what they've do or have done, I'm but a lone civilian. I find your point about genocide and racism a bit on the extreme end, can you back that claim with actual evidence? That's not to say America hasn't done that, it has, but from what I know they are not currently committing it. Anyway just because someone lives in a country doesn't mean they are a patriot for what they've done in the past or what they do, and overthrowing a government is bloody and unnecessary when there's still the option to change it from the inside, it's just a matter of when they cross that line it becomes a realistic option. Suzaku waited too long.
It's funny how non-Americans always say that as if it's an American thing, and their countries don't do all the same shit. Human nature is universal and all countries are the same.
Happening to exist in a country that is committing atrocities and actively fighting to perpetuate those injustices are very different things