You really need a variety of 3d printed marker towers. Once you have them you will not have issues with tracking. You should be able scan the triple clamp with a very minimal amount of markers applied to the clamp.
In the previous video where I scanned it on Medium with feature tracking it was fine without markers. crumpled paper around the part works just as well and you don't have to use marker tracking. Since creality doesn't have a "hybrid" tracking i prefer to use feature tracking when possible. If Creality had a hybrid marker/feature tracking I would agree but with their scanners I have not found that to be true. just my 2c for whatever it is worth.
Mat , I have a cr scan ferret pro which is what i can afford at the moment , is there a chance you would take the time to do a tutorial on helping us now that 3d scanning has become more affordable to better understand our options around free processing as with f360 , meshlab and meshmixer how can one better detect small details with the ferret eg :braces and clips and also maybe scanning and processing an object outside of the scanners size range as in my case i have some mining equipment id like to scan that is basic enough to simply draw but the client wants it scanned i will try to search for more videos if you have covered any of these but to date these are still the setbacks holding me back
Hey There, on the ferret I just have a review video th-cam.com/video/Vp17bKdt6sw/w-d-xo.html Depending on your needs for the output you are likely going to have a lot of trouble scanning large mining equipment for anything other than a visualization. You will hit limitations in the software as well as accumulated errors on larger objects. I know that probably isn't the answer you want to hear. In order to scan larger objects you really just need some sort of unique features to help with tracking. if that means sticking blobs of clay, pieces or tape or something on it that is probably the best thing you can hope for since there is no hybrid tracking in that unit (markers and features) that i am aware of.
Thanks for the video! Question: the software has an option to tick for a turntable. Is this intended to only be used if the scanner is stationary like mounted to a tripod? Or can you check turntable mode and spin the turntable with the scanner in hand?
I personally haven't had much luck with the turntable option. It is meant to be used with a stationary scanner as the algorithm for tracking and overlaying points I believe is different. That isn't to say that you couldn't hold it in your hand, but personally I found tracking to be better without a turntable.
Love your videos, thank you , please would you do a video on aligning the WCS with the creality software, i cannot make sense of it , i used to use fusion but they seem to have changed how it alighns meshes
So sadly there is no way to align a scan to a wcs in the creality software. I talk about doing this in Fusion th-cam.com/video/82vD7YSKIAo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0OqMV_6Hb8loH4Wz but you would have to go to Quick Surface or geomagic or some other software if you want to take a mesh and align it to a coordinate system before export. GOM inspect used to have a free version that would let you do it, but I think that company was bought out and I don't know if that is still true.
Thanks, for some reason fusion does not seem to work anymore, I have always used it pretty much like you have shown in the transmission video , comes up with an error now , "no alignment suggested by geometry could be found" , there is a long workaround using the move command and measuring plane angles etc , works but tedious. I don't think gom inspect is around anymore, I registered a while ago but could never get in to actually use it. Thanks for the effort you put in to your videos , without TH-cam I would've given up ages ago 😊
Didnt realize you could see this video :) I guess unlisted on a playlist is still visible :) I have not had it crash at all on my laptop or my desktop since the last 2 updates. Prior to those updates yes I did have a few crashes.
@LearnEverythingAboutDesign maybe I'm just special? I've had a few crashes now, I think it might be my pc though as it seems to only happen when I try doing a big/detailed scan. Mostly only when I finish the scanning part and try move to processing, which is what makes me think it's my pc
When that is happening pay attention to the bottom right of the screen and the available RAM. See how low that is getting. Generally a processor speed issue would just slow down the conversion but if you are maxing out your RAM that could cause it to crash. Neither of my systems have a crazy amount of RAM. But remember your Gcard if it has "onboard RAM" is going to reserve part of that. So if you have 32gb ram on your system and your card says 16gb ram for example, you really only have 16 to play with for your system. Then if you have email, other programs, web browsers going and/or CAD open you may be lucky to have like 8gb of ram to work with. A test you can do is set your mesh facet count slider way down and watch the RAM. you can redo that part so set it a little higher and watch your RAM.
@LearnEverythingAboutDesign thanks I'll check it out! I don't actually get to the processing part, it happens when I hit the button to finish scanning and move to the processing window, if you get what I mean
@@dan5her hmm. Are you on the most recent version? I would still check the ram in the lower corner. On those larger scans see what the available ram is and that might hint at the problem.
I bought the Range 1 on it's Kickstarter campaign.. i recently found it needs alignment and for that i need to buy a 50usd set of four cardboards with "special materials" and another plastic bag.. They forgot to mention that on the campaign, never buying anything from them again.. I started doing good old photogrammetry both with a D5100 and with an S23 Ultra, i find it more convenient since you dont have the limitations of real time alignment.. also you can go as close as needed and have picked up sub milimiter stones embedded on a car tyre..
Oh wow that sucks! I haven't tested the range but in the 8 or 9 scanners I have here from creality and revopoint all of them have come with all the calibration boards needed. I know a lot of scanners when they show up need to be calibrated first so that seems like it might have been an oversight thinking it would not need calibration. Sorry to hear the trouble you had! Depending on your needs photogrammetry might be ok, but it does have its limitations as well. The revopoint miraco has single frame mode where you basically use it like a camera and take single frames rather than continuous capture.
@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign Absolutely not your fault, no need to apologize for them.. Range can scan single frame too, but scanning the hatch on a hatchback car i had a 10cm misalignment.. tried feature, marker, and feature again without removing the markers, that was my best result with the car sprayed..
I understand your frustration, but keep in mind that during the Range crowdfunding campaign, the super early bird price was $328, and the early bird price was $401, which was already quite affordable.
@@MaxCohen-ic4cn I paid the full price for the range but still didn't get the calibration board. Revopoint’s nickel-and-diming is disgusting. And I will also never be buying their shoddy products ever again.
Excellent response to my question. Very impressed with the demonstration, and your technical skills.
Glad it was helpful!
You really need a variety of 3d printed marker towers. Once you have them you will not have issues with tracking. You should be able scan the triple clamp with a very minimal amount of markers applied to the clamp.
In the previous video where I scanned it on Medium with feature tracking it was fine without markers. crumpled paper around the part works just as well and you don't have to use marker tracking. Since creality doesn't have a "hybrid" tracking i prefer to use feature tracking when possible. If Creality had a hybrid marker/feature tracking I would agree but with their scanners I have not found that to be true. just my 2c for whatever it is worth.
Mat , I have a cr scan ferret pro which is what i can afford at the moment , is there a chance you would take the time to do a tutorial on helping us now that 3d scanning has become more affordable to better understand our options around free processing as with f360 , meshlab and meshmixer
how can one better detect small details with the ferret eg :braces and clips and also maybe scanning and processing an object outside of the scanners size range as in my case i have some mining equipment id like to scan that is basic enough to simply draw but the client wants it scanned
i will try to search for more videos if you have covered any of these but to date these are still the setbacks holding me back
Hey There, on the ferret I just have a review video th-cam.com/video/Vp17bKdt6sw/w-d-xo.html
Depending on your needs for the output you are likely going to have a lot of trouble scanning large mining equipment for anything other than a visualization. You will hit limitations in the software as well as accumulated errors on larger objects. I know that probably isn't the answer you want to hear. In order to scan larger objects you really just need some sort of unique features to help with tracking. if that means sticking blobs of clay, pieces or tape or something on it that is probably the best thing you can hope for since there is no hybrid tracking in that unit (markers and features) that i am aware of.
Thanks for the video! Question: the software has an option to tick for a turntable. Is this intended to only be used if the scanner is stationary like mounted to a tripod? Or can you check turntable mode and spin the turntable with the scanner in hand?
I personally haven't had much luck with the turntable option. It is meant to be used with a stationary scanner as the algorithm for tracking and overlaying points I believe is different. That isn't to say that you couldn't hold it in your hand, but personally I found tracking to be better without a turntable.
Love your videos, thank you , please would you do a video on aligning the WCS with the creality software, i cannot make sense of it , i used to use fusion but they seem to have changed how it alighns meshes
So sadly there is no way to align a scan to a wcs in the creality software. I talk about doing this in Fusion th-cam.com/video/82vD7YSKIAo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0OqMV_6Hb8loH4Wz
but you would have to go to Quick Surface or geomagic or some other software if you want to take a mesh and align it to a coordinate system before export. GOM inspect used to have a free version that would let you do it, but I think that company was bought out and I don't know if that is still true.
Thanks, for some reason fusion does not seem to work anymore, I have always used it pretty much like you have shown in the transmission video , comes up with an error now , "no alignment suggested by geometry could be found" , there is a long workaround using the move command and measuring plane angles etc , works but tedious. I don't think gom inspect is around anymore, I registered a while ago but could never get in to actually use it. Thanks for the effort you put in to your videos , without TH-cam I would've given up ages ago 😊
out of interest, have you had any problems with the creality scan software crashing?
Didnt realize you could see this video :) I guess unlisted on a playlist is still visible :)
I have not had it crash at all on my laptop or my desktop since the last 2 updates. Prior to those updates yes I did have a few crashes.
@LearnEverythingAboutDesign maybe I'm just special?
I've had a few crashes now, I think it might be my pc though as it seems to only happen when I try doing a big/detailed scan.
Mostly only when I finish the scanning part and try move to processing, which is what makes me think it's my pc
When that is happening pay attention to the bottom right of the screen and the available RAM. See how low that is getting. Generally a processor speed issue would just slow down the conversion but if you are maxing out your RAM that could cause it to crash. Neither of my systems have a crazy amount of RAM. But remember your Gcard if it has "onboard RAM" is going to reserve part of that. So if you have 32gb ram on your system and your card says 16gb ram for example, you really only have 16 to play with for your system. Then if you have email, other programs, web browsers going and/or CAD open you may be lucky to have like 8gb of ram to work with.
A test you can do is set your mesh facet count slider way down and watch the RAM. you can redo that part so set it a little higher and watch your RAM.
@LearnEverythingAboutDesign thanks I'll check it out! I don't actually get to the processing part, it happens when I hit the button to finish scanning and move to the processing window, if you get what I mean
@@dan5her hmm. Are you on the most recent version? I would still check the ram in the lower corner. On those larger scans see what the available ram is and that might hint at the problem.
I bought the Range 1 on it's Kickstarter campaign.. i recently found it needs alignment and for that i need to buy a 50usd set of four cardboards with "special materials" and another plastic bag..
They forgot to mention that on the campaign, never buying anything from them again..
I started doing good old photogrammetry both with a D5100 and with an S23 Ultra, i find it more convenient since you dont have the limitations of real time alignment.. also you can go as close as needed and have picked up sub milimiter stones embedded on a car tyre..
Oh wow that sucks! I haven't tested the range but in the 8 or 9 scanners I have here from creality and revopoint all of them have come with all the calibration boards needed. I know a lot of scanners when they show up need to be calibrated first so that seems like it might have been an oversight thinking it would not need calibration.
Sorry to hear the trouble you had! Depending on your needs photogrammetry might be ok, but it does have its limitations as well. The revopoint miraco has single frame mode where you basically use it like a camera and take single frames rather than continuous capture.
@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign Absolutely not your fault, no need to apologize for them.. Range can scan single frame too, but scanning the hatch on a hatchback car i had a 10cm misalignment.. tried feature, marker, and feature again without removing the markers, that was my best result with the car sprayed..
I understand your frustration, but keep in mind that during the Range crowdfunding campaign, the super early bird price was $328, and the early bird price was $401, which was already quite affordable.
@@MaxCohen-ic4cn I paid the full price for the range but still didn't get the calibration board. Revopoint’s nickel-and-diming is disgusting. And I will also never be buying their shoddy products ever again.
@@MaxCohen-ic4cn At least they could have mentioned it would be indispensable in the future to operate the scanner and it would not be a cheap thing..