From a guy that lost many and learned from each one. 1. Flying too quick on a maiden flight. 2. Flight or transmitter batteries too low. 3. Did you do a close and far range radio check? The way it went in, it seemed liked it wasn’t getting commands from the transmitter. So sorry but don’t give up but learn from a hard lesson. Good luck!
It looked tail heavy the whole flight. Sounds like you trimmed a lot of down elevator to counteract the issue. As you slow down and apply flaps you remove some of the affect of the trim and went back to the lack of control issue. Next time triple check your CG with the plane balanced upside down with the gear retracted.
It has flaps…you can see the control rods and horn during the gear retraction at the start of the video. He may not have used them. He only called gear down.
Sorry dude. And this brought back memories of a loss of mine that hurt really badly too. It took months before I opened the garbage bags to disassemble the remaining useable valuables.
Such a shame. I am about to maiden mine soon, electric setup.. what a great plane... It seems the flap deployment caused the issue, but for a maiden u should: Perform a taxi test, especially with gas. Just do a taxi on runway and check nothing is loose. Keep the throttle to middle and fly slower.. Trim Check CG by flying 45 degree up , invert and see how she falls Check rudder trim by flying straight up and see if she stays straight Check flaps high up Check gear Land Check all connections Fuel Takeoff and let rip😂
Isn't torque different when flying vertical? With powerful engines, there's changes in the torque or p-factor when you fly vertical, and it's not the same as level flight.
Looks like the airspeed was very high from start to finish. If you’re moving really fast and still climbing reduce the power. Putting in more down trim will increase the speed, not what you want ( think pitch & power flying ). Sorry about your airplane, it was very nice. Be more gentle on your next maiden flight until you know everything is Ok.
wow man, so sorry that happened. After learning from crashes myself, when I see a takeoff roll take that long to lift off I am immediately going to land and check the CG because that did not look good. It never should have taken that long to lift off. That would have been my first sign to land right away. Good luck in the future.
One of the flap on the right fail to deploy! (It can be seen when the plane are turning to the left on final) That causes the plane to behave as such! After the crash then the radio said signal lost. So am sure is not the signal issue.
@@AndyYuenRCThat's was not flap asymmetry. Ir would cause the plane to climb and roll,which it didn't. If you tried to climb out of the dive and it didn't,then your problem was the elevator servo, linkage or signal.
Should have landed and give it a check over after the first couple of minutes. The pilot never seemed in control the whole flight! To aggressive for a maiden. Also in our club, we always say never fly with the cowl removed as you will end up with no model but a brand new cowl!😊
Worst thing maybe but I shall relate a tale of oops+. In the early 70s, I worked for a radio control company, and 72 mhz gear would soon replace 24mhz . Thus the prototype tested and retested , the test plane a fiberglass P51, from is aluminum spinner 4 blade prop 60 sized engine, high nitro fuel, built for speed. Now behing the warehouse was a large smooth parking lot, often used to test planes. Rool out was maybe five feet, climb straight up circles loops and such the a low pass for photo of. Oops a roll for flare then oh schiff ! Aerons lock up refuse commands.... now a crash was inevitable. Behind the warehouse was a little company that built custom cars, like presidential limos. Two such vehicles set just inside the open door. The P51 made through the first but lost its wings , the second stopped it with its well padded dash, end result expensive fuselage repairable engine not so much wings and tail feathers a total loss .... So you think your maiden was rough ?
Bummer. At least you got to fly her and have some fun, my losses on maiden tend to be immediate and all due to pilot error. It does not happen so much any more, but causes have included many embarrassing things (ails set up reversed and did not notice until airborne, Tx set to a different model but Futaba allows the wrong Rx to connect to it except throws reversed etc and did not notice until airborne, bad Rx which passed range check but failed in the air / only 1 of 2 antenna good, etc. now I _always_ ground check everything incl CG). The tailheavy comments add up, a small motor with no cowling in a fairly large plane, but whatever the cause sorry for your loss!
The flying characteristics look definitely tail heavy but I don't think that's the cause of the crash. Looks like a failsafe but the transmitter calls out after the impact and frsky tandems are usually known for good signal. Hard to tell what went wrong.
Sorry for the lost. I noted during the final turn for landing, the plane was nearly 90 degrees on its side. Further, I did not see much elevator up clearly for such acute side angle and little forward speed. It was a side slip stall. It is imperative during final turn for landing, you have a clear wide smooth turn with both wings as level as possible. Having to turn tightly for final approach means your initial line up/approach for landing is incorrect and a go-around is needed.
On maiden, after trimming the plane I immediately start landing patterns with go arounds. Touching the earth safely is way more important than rolls on a maiden flight. Also, almost every single turn was way too tight. Looked like it could have stalled on most you turns. Keep it up, 'tho!
All my maiden flights are not done at high speed, and I don't hot dog it. I always have a co pilot standing next to me to help trim if the plane is too much out of wack. I always get some altitude. It's hard to tell what happened at the end, but I think he was going to fast. It could have been a elevator servo went out under high speed, it's happened. It didn't look like it tip stalled, it looked as if he could pull up. The elevator on my planes go through a hell of a lot of testing and I get the best servo I can, at lest for that control surface. But I've had the same thing happen to one of my best planes and I careful on bench set up all the servos, motor, rx, everything and tested the electrical after a crash and dammm if everything worked. Until this day I cannot figure out why my Nemesis did just about the same thing yours did. My condolences, I know that hurt I hope you found out what happened....
It is to test the limit of the plane and check is there any error… well, the plane failed the flap test… our bad as well did not test the flap at 3 mistake high… lesson learned and moving on…
man i just had a total loss on one of my FPV planes today during maiden, didnt have camera set up correctly lost orientation of the aircraft and i got it into a roll to close to the ground i coult of, was a complete loss. Im hoping i can retrieve it from the ravine it ended up in to salvage some parts, the way it hit the ground i imagine theres not much left of it anymore. gotta take another drone out to find it just so i know where to hike to to get the pieces. That being said i realized my errors in what i did, unfortunate i spent 2.05 weeks building and setting up this plane to lose it in 5 mins. Not giving up to i bought another whole setup when i got home and will improve on my second attempt and not make the same mistakes.
That was tough... maiden flights are the moat stressful. It seemed heavy in the tail. Always slow and steady for a few tanks and tighten it up as you go. Dont give up as kich as it sucks its still fun
That looked like a signal loss to me or maybe when you put the flaps down the extra load browned out the receiver. So sorry for that one, it was doing great.
Great flying skills. My first rc plane was a p51 mustang and I wanted to see it fly so I had someone with experience fly it which ended him crashing. Apparently the ailerons didn't move equally so it got stuck in a bank. My 2nd plane was a .40cc trainer and I took that out by myself with no training or experience. I crashed it into the ground. My 3rd plane was a PT40 I built and that one my transmitter stop responding and it got stuck in a bank and crashed. It was the last time I ever tried to fly an rc plane. I quit trying.
There is a very steep learning curve with little forgiveness for mistakes...it's always best to find a flight instructor to assist to help flatten the curve...don't give up!
@@xbpbat21x I gave up and in my 20's bought a 0.30 sized helicopter. And I mastered hovering but never did fly it much going forward. Only very slow forward flight always facing my body with the nose of the cowling so I would not get confused with reverse controls. Ill never figure out how modern day heli pilots are able to do 3d acrobatics without crashing. Even with flight sims they move faster than I can think.
Total loss of signal? Very bad loss...i crash a lot myself for various stupid reasons...i only fly cheap electric foamies,but it still hurts...i am lucky i am somewhat of an expert at repairs after hundreds of crashes..
I am not a pilot but i feel bad that your plane is crashed down. So many work and money. Why you have loose control ? Battery empty in plane or socket plug off ? 😢
I'm so sorry for your loss, but I have to say the angle of attack on that final turn was way to aggressive, I don't know if you lost control of the airplane, or you intentionally banked that hard? but with the low speed your inner wing stalled for sure!
when a model has an engine, servos NEED to be mounted with vibration damping.! if this was not done, after flying for a few minutes servos can glitch. which locks up all the controls. d
I am no means an expert...but, it looks like a signal loss to me. Perhaps as he dropped the gear he suffered a brown out? 3 electric retracts with a long and slow cycle...just thinking out loud. Sorry for the crash...
I'm sorry, it's a fantastic model that I have, converted to electric with an excellent dualsky xm6352 560kv, definitely more performing from every point of view, it causes too many vibrations. Question but was the electrical system correctly sized? (a power control unit with redundancy on both batteries and receivers is a must) And then how strange that the engine did not turn off, in the event of a loss of signal the killswitch intervenes immediately to prevent the model goes for a walk.... Greetings Eugene
Firstly if control was lost check radio, all was fine flight wise -batteries including transmitter if suspect radio replace immediately this hobby is a challenge at times but crashes are inevitable this we all hate but its part of our hobby get back up there "as soon as"
@@AndyYuenRC I fly the electric version and get two 5 minute flights from one 5000MAH battery. it's getting tired now due flying from a not so smooth grass strip
One of the flap on the right fail to deploy! (It can be seen when the plane are turning to the left on final) That causes the plane to behave as such! After the crash then the radio said signal lost. So am sure is not the signal issue.
One of the flap on the right fail to deploy! (It can be seen when the plane are turning to the left on final) That causes the plane to behave as such! After the crash then the radio said signal lost. So am sure is not the signal issue.
Was It built or bought? If it's the latter well, learn to build them so you learn to "not buy" crap that you cannot know if It works or even Is well built/has some defects
That's a tough day, sorry to see that. Hang in there you have a lot of people rooting for you.
From a guy that lost many and learned from each one. 1. Flying too quick on a maiden flight. 2. Flight or transmitter batteries too low. 3. Did you do a close and far range radio check? The way it went in, it seemed liked it wasn’t getting commands from the transmitter. So sorry but don’t give up but learn from a hard lesson. Good luck!
I appreciate you giving that hard learned knowledge.
It looked tail heavy the whole flight. Sounds like you trimmed a lot of down elevator to counteract the issue. As you slow down and apply flaps you remove some of the affect of the trim and went back to the lack of control issue. Next time triple check your CG with the plane balanced upside down with the gear retracted.
Tail heavy.
Not sure it had flaps.
It has flaps…you can see the control rods and horn during the gear retraction at the start of the video. He may not have used them. He only called gear down.
I´m so sorry for your loss, too..greetings from Germany.
Sorry dude. And this brought back memories of a loss of mine that hurt really badly too. It took months before I opened the garbage bags to disassemble the remaining useable valuables.
Always remember take her up trim land as soon as you can than go through every single plug and conecting rod as petrol engine makes alot of vibrations
Such a shame. I am about to maiden mine soon, electric setup.. what a great plane...
It seems the flap deployment caused the issue, but for a maiden u should:
Perform a taxi test, especially with gas. Just do a taxi on runway and check nothing is loose.
Keep the throttle to middle and fly slower..
Trim
Check CG by flying 45 degree up , invert and see how she falls
Check rudder trim by flying straight up and see if she stays straight
Check flaps high up
Check gear
Land
Check all connections
Fuel
Takeoff and let rip😂
Isn't torque different when flying vertical? With powerful engines, there's changes in the torque or p-factor when you fly vertical, and it's not the same as level flight.
Looks like the airspeed was very high from start to finish. If you’re moving really fast and still climbing reduce the power. Putting in more down trim will increase the speed, not what you want ( think pitch & power flying ). Sorry about your airplane, it was very nice. Be more gentle on your next maiden flight until you know everything is Ok.
wow man, so sorry that happened. After learning from crashes myself, when I see a takeoff roll take that long to lift off I am immediately going to land and check the CG because that did not look good. It never should have taken that long to lift off. That would have been my first sign to land right away. Good luck in the future.
So sorry for your loss. It was a beautiful bird and it was flying very well. It looks like something came loose.
One of the flap on the right fail to deploy! (It can be seen when the plane are turning to the left on final) That causes the plane to behave as such! After the crash then the radio said signal lost. So am sure is not the signal issue.
@@AndyYuenRCThat's was not flap asymmetry. Ir would cause the plane to climb and roll,which it didn't. If you tried to climb out of the dive and it didn't,then your problem was the elevator servo, linkage or signal.
Spektrum radio brownouts are common..I've crunched a few nice looking birds.☹
Should have landed and give it a check over after the first couple of minutes. The pilot never seemed in control the whole flight! To aggressive for a maiden. Also in our club, we always say never fly with the cowl removed as you will end up with no model but a brand new cowl!😊
Worst thing maybe but I shall relate a tale of oops+. In the early 70s, I worked for a radio control company, and 72 mhz gear would soon replace 24mhz . Thus the prototype tested and retested , the test plane a fiberglass P51, from is aluminum spinner 4 blade prop 60 sized engine, high nitro fuel, built for speed. Now behing the warehouse was a large smooth parking lot, often used to test planes. Rool out was maybe five feet, climb straight up circles loops and such the a low pass for photo of. Oops a roll for flare then oh schiff ! Aerons lock up refuse commands.... now a crash was inevitable. Behind the warehouse was a little company that built custom cars, like presidential limos. Two such vehicles set just inside the open door. The P51 made through the first but lost its wings , the second stopped it with its well padded dash, end result expensive fuselage repairable engine not so much wings and tail feathers a total loss .... So you think your maiden was rough ?
Bummer. At least you got to fly her and have some fun, my losses on maiden tend to be immediate and all due to pilot error. It does not happen so much any more, but causes have included many embarrassing things (ails set up reversed and did not notice until airborne, Tx set to a different model but Futaba allows the wrong Rx to connect to it except throws reversed etc and did not notice until airborne, bad Rx which passed range check but failed in the air / only 1 of 2 antenna good, etc. now I _always_ ground check everything incl CG). The tailheavy comments add up, a small motor with no cowling in a fairly large plane, but whatever the cause sorry for your loss!
The flying characteristics look definitely tail heavy but I don't think that's the cause of the crash. Looks like a failsafe but the transmitter calls out after the impact and frsky tandems are usually known for good signal. Hard to tell what went wrong.
at least you got the engine cowl
Sorry for the lost. I noted during the final turn for landing, the plane was nearly 90 degrees on its side. Further, I did not see much elevator up clearly for such acute side angle and little forward speed. It was a side slip stall. It is imperative during final turn for landing, you have a clear wide smooth turn with both wings as level as possible. Having to turn tightly for final approach means your initial line up/approach for landing is incorrect and a go-around is needed.
On maiden, after trimming the plane I immediately start landing patterns with go arounds. Touching the earth safely is way more important than rolls on a maiden flight. Also, almost every single turn was way too tight. Looked like it could have stalled on most you turns. Keep it up, 'tho!
At least you had the balls to fly it… kudos for that. Great looking plane nonetheless.
Yes, thanks
All my maiden flights are not done at high speed, and I don't hot dog it. I always have a co pilot standing next to me to help trim if the plane is too much out of wack. I always get some altitude. It's hard to tell what happened at the end, but I think he was going to fast. It could have been a elevator servo went out under high speed, it's happened. It didn't look like it tip stalled, it looked as if he could pull up. The elevator on my planes go through a hell of a lot of testing and I get the best servo I can, at lest for that control surface. But I've had the same thing happen to one of my best planes and I careful on bench set up all the servos, motor, rx, everything and tested the electrical after a crash and dammm if everything worked. Until this day I cannot figure out why my Nemesis did just about the same thing yours did. My condolences, I know that hurt I hope you found out what happened....
Pretty aggressive for a maiden flight.
It is to test the limit of the plane and check is there any error… well, the plane failed the flap test… our bad as well did not test the flap at 3 mistake high… lesson learned and moving on…
Oh, what a pity. Such a beautiful model aircraft. But don't let this crash discourage you
Thanks fellow pilot… what goes up, must come down… be it in one piece or in the bag. It is part of the hobby 😉 cheers!
"Be it in one piece or in a bag". I love it great attitude. @@AndyYuenRC
That is terrible, it was a beautiful plane. I know the feeling. I have the same plane and must still maiden it.
man i just had a total loss on one of my FPV planes today during maiden, didnt have camera set up correctly lost orientation of the aircraft and i got it into a roll to close to the ground i coult of, was a complete loss. Im hoping i can retrieve it from the ravine it ended up in to salvage some parts, the way it hit the ground i imagine theres not much left of it anymore. gotta take another drone out to find it just so i know where to hike to to get the pieces. That being said i realized my errors in what i did, unfortunate i spent 2.05 weeks building and setting up this plane to lose it in 5 mins. Not giving up to i bought another whole setup when i got home and will improve on my second attempt and not make the same mistakes.
Build, fly, crash. this are the cycle of this Hobby! fly high and fly save!
you will have much higher success in the next one.
It looked like the flap on the right side was broken just before the crash 😮
Bummer!
yup, suspect thats the cause of the crash...
That was tough... maiden flights are the moat stressful. It seemed heavy in the tail. Always slow and steady for a few tanks and tighten it up as you go. Dont give up as kich as it sucks its still fun
Das schmerzt beim zusehen und tut mir leid ! Schade um das Modell.
That looked like a signal loss to me or maybe when you put the flaps down the extra load browned out the receiver. So sorry for that one, it was doing great.
Feel your pain dude. Nice flying though.
Great flying skills. My first rc plane was a p51 mustang and I wanted to see it fly so I had someone with experience fly it which ended him crashing. Apparently the ailerons didn't move equally so it got stuck in a bank. My 2nd plane was a .40cc trainer and I took that out by myself with no training or experience. I crashed it into the ground. My 3rd plane was a PT40 I built and that one my transmitter stop responding and it got stuck in a bank and crashed. It was the last time I ever tried to fly an rc plane. I quit trying.
Limit reached, no shame walking away and choose another hobby…
Ever considered something more conservative as a first plane like say a FMS ranger or eflite timber?
There is a very steep learning curve with little forgiveness for mistakes...it's always best to find a flight instructor to assist to help flatten the curve...don't give up!
@@xbpbat21x I gave up and in my 20's bought a 0.30 sized helicopter. And I mastered hovering but never did fly it much going forward. Only very slow forward flight always facing my body with the nose of the cowling so I would not get confused with reverse controls. Ill never figure out how modern day heli pilots are able to do 3d acrobatics without crashing. Even with flight sims they move faster than I can think.
@@xbpbat21x this was like back in 1987. Everything was gas powered. I dont care for electric. I like the sound and smoke of real engines.
Gutted for you bro.. we have all been there...😢
I had this plane ✈️ same exact thing happend. Flying great then bank at 60° it got into an unrecoverable dive exactly like that !!
Total loss of signal? Very bad loss...i crash a lot myself for various stupid reasons...i only fly cheap electric foamies,but it still hurts...i am lucky i am somewhat of an expert at repairs after hundreds of crashes..
All pilots around the world feel your loss. am sorry 😞 🇬🇧
thanks...
I am not a pilot but i feel bad that your plane is crashed down. So many work and money. Why you have loose control ? Battery empty in plane or socket plug off ? 😢
I'm so sorry for your loss, but I have to say the angle of attack on that final turn was way to aggressive, I don't know if you lost control of the airplane, or you intentionally banked that hard? but with the low speed your inner wing stalled for sure!
Thousands of us have this tee shirt, always worse on kit built models imo
"the gear is not going up" "very nice" 😄
when a model has an engine, servos NEED to be mounted with vibration damping.! if this was not done, after flying for a few minutes servos can glitch. which locks up all the controls. d
Nothing worse than realising you’ve lost signal
it is not a lost signal, right side of the flap fail to deploy during landing stage
The pilot is saying improper flap deployment caused the crash. I call otherwise and say this was caused by a dead flight battery.
thats a bummer..Looked great after trimming.
Ah,what ashame,that was a beautiful plane and it flew great,like a pattern plane.I hate when they crash,especially one as expensive as that one.
And the ones you like the most 😫
bad luck man, wow
She was flying good too!
Been there a lot these new radio are junk I have no idea what's going on, Spectrum baby ..................
Hahaha 😂
Bro im sorry for your loss.
Why ?
Feel for ya Jeff, was some nice flying before though
That cowl must be like “holy shit, this is the luckiest day of my life”
It sure is! Now the cowl became wall hanger 😂
Srry for your loss!
WHAT A BUMMER....Hate it when that happens..Been there, done it.
I am no means an expert...but, it looks like a signal loss to me. Perhaps as he dropped the gear he suffered a brown out? 3 electric retracts with a long and slow cycle...just thinking out loud. Sorry for the crash...
Please tell me you had a seperate battery to power your retracts ?
Happens man. Part of the hobby
what goes up, must come down...
Most sensible answer of the day sir ... Let's not pick over the bone's...
Very sorry
Well at least you have a cowl ready for the next one.
Will re visit it in the near future but not within this few years 😝
Now the “experts” who fly foamies twice a year come out of the wood work with suggestions……🤫
Best of luck next time!
yup! back to the hobby shop
Seems the elevator push rood is failed ?
I'm sorry, it's a fantastic model that I have, converted to electric with an excellent dualsky xm6352 560kv, definitely more performing from every point of view, it causes too many vibrations. Question but was the electrical system correctly sized? (a power control unit with redundancy on both batteries and receivers is a must) And then how strange that the engine did not turn off, in the event of a loss of signal the killswitch intervenes immediately to prevent the model goes for a walk....
Greetings Eugene
sorry.. i feel bad when i saw this things...
Sorry bro. 😢
Thanks brother, and thank you for your funds on my next project... much appreciated!
Damn that hurts
That's sad. It looks like it was flying very well.
It sure is, well time to move on a larger project…
@@AndyYuenRC Good luck with the new project! 😁
Quit powerclip 15 years ago because of the noise
So Sorry Mate Great Work Stick At It 😂🙏🎅
Firstly if control was lost check radio, all was fine flight wise -batteries including transmitter if suspect radio replace immediately this hobby is a challenge at times but crashes are inevitable this we all hate but its part of our hobby get back up there "as soon as"
That'll buff right out.
what reciever where you using?
TD 18 from Frsky 900mhz set to 1000watt
Yup motor is gone
Looks like Cyberjaya!
it is
@@AndyYuenRC I fly the electric version and get two 5 minute flights from one 5000MAH battery. it's getting tired now due flying from a not so smooth grass strip
It's a cruel hobby :(
Terrible Loss it was beautiful
sad to see she went down like that
@AndyYuenRC 🙏 🪦 😩
Im so sorry
wow how could that happen. but amazing
One of the flap on the right fail to deploy! (It can be seen when the plane are turning to the left on final) That causes the plane to behave as such! After the crash then the radio said signal lost. So am sure is not the signal issue.
Peng weg war Er können wir alle den Schmerz !!
Out of RX battery? Radio interference?
mech failure on the right flap not deploying
poor Jef
Way too twitchy and flown too fast plus probably an centre of gravity problem.
Elevator servo fail, look to me.
Out of balance just a bit
Throttle Down and land, at least slow down...
You might need a little bit of glue
Lots of glue hahaha
duct tape
bailing wire
good as new
nah, she's a gonner in this situation
Gravity is a heartless bitch@@AndyYuenRC
wow what happened i would be pist of to so sad it was flying so well until that happened
One of the flap on the right fail to deploy! (It can be seen when the plane are turning to the left on final) That causes the plane to behave as such! After the crash then the radio said signal lost. So am sure is not the signal issue.
Cosa è successo?😢
cycle the new batteries😂😂😂
$3000? 20cc plane so expencive.
shipping and taxes, and all my servo's gear is either busted or ripped... (using MKS)
Real shame but that was far too long for a maiden and you should never do acrobatics on a maiden either.
it is just to test the limit of the plane. well, lesson learn
@@AndyYuenRC yeah, but you need to do short shake down flights BEFORE you push the limits. Anyway, sorry for your lose.
too ambitious to fly too much on a maiden, sad but move on
What’s wrong Jeff ?
Right flap fail to deploy
Sorry but F that don fix crush planes.
agree, it is a write off
Do you have an idea what may caused the crash? Looked to me that you dropped flaps then it went in.
right side of the flap fail to deploy
@@AndyYuenRC that's too bad. Its a learning experience tho. Next time that happens pilot will be prepared
I call bullshlt on $3000! There's NO way that's $3,000. Maybe 3,000 yen
I buy it from you 3,000 yen 😏 sell to me I pay the shipping also…
Sorry
Lost signal ?
Right flap did not deploy during landing sequence
@@AndyYuenRC 😔😔😔
Was It built or bought? If it's the latter well, learn to build them so you learn to "not buy" crap that you cannot know if It works or even Is well built/has some defects
It was built ARF a brand from the Vietnam 🇻🇳 called Phoenix models
Zu schnell um wahr zu sein
Thump
💸✈️
room for a new one
Every video I watch , theres always crash . . Why you make your turns so tight
For this case, the plane turn by it self 😳 cause one of the flap fail to deploy (on the right side of the wing) that cause the plane to turn and dive.
Deceleration trauma and dirt poisoning. ARF's really don't like vertical landings do they........
I would recommend stick to rc cars.
😂
🤣