The round gardens in Brøndby are not permanent dwellings they are known as kolonihave. The English equivalent is an allotment garden. Allotments in and around Copenhagen are hugely popular as summer retreats for City dwellers who live in flats. There are about 60,000 allotment gardens in Denmark.
This is an allotment garden, not a regular residential area. It is meant as a supplement to living in an apartment. You are not allowed to live there year-round.
That one clip of the tall, white, twisty building at 07:00 is not Copenhagen, it is Malmö in Sweden, which is on the other side of the Öresund straight. The cities are connected by a bridge.
It's not "a utopian example of urban living". It's a 'kolonihave' (allotment garden). You're not supposed to live there. It's a way for apartment dwellers to have a garden away from their home.
you need to look at the kolinihave idea.. this is not for living, this is for recreation while growing food these gardens was made for workers living in appartments it was never intended to have more then sheds, everything just evolved
In NZ we have papakainga where an extended family or sub tribe build a complex of houses and gardens on a single block of land. For example where i live my great grandfather built a homestead to raise my grandfather and his siblings and my grandfather built a house for my dad and his siblings blabla so now my family has 5 houses, 2 cabins, and a sleep out down our driveway. Idk who i would be today if i didn’t have my family around me, life is better growing up with your cousins
not dense, not enough sustainable transport and not enough traffic restrictions... seems to me this is still "typical suburban sprawl" in most relevant aspects, right?
That's funny you say that but that's basically where suburbs came from well, the more modern designs of suburbs, they are rooted in the history of garden cities. I mean I do like the fact that there are less individual driveways. Driveways cause a lot of more accident points. But I would say bungalow courtyards are better and take up less space. And do the same thing. I also don't really like that. They don't have any garages or carports, leaving a car for the weather isn't really a good idea.
Well you're wrong, because these are allotment gardens, not homes. It's illegal to live there, you may spend the night during the summer half of the year and a few weekends in the rest of the year. But these are purely recreational.
It's not a city, just a series of allotments, and in my opinion, not even very successful. I am willing to believe the architect meant it to be a utopian community, but the grassy lawns between the built-out areas don't seem to be used often, and certainly not as a place where people meet. The problem with planned communities and especially 'utopian' ones, is that the planners think they understand human psychology better than those who live there. Where do we humans actually like to meet and get together? In a grass patch in the suburbs? No, we love to get together where there are lots of other people, in cities, on crowded streets and squares, surrounded by tall-ish buildings, or if in a village, on the main street. That's what makes us feel comfortable, and there's probably an evolutionary reason for this. On a wide open plain we're vulnerable, especially if we're alone, but with cliffs or trees nearby and with people around us, we have a place to hide and friends to help in case of danger. The 40s-70s were a time when planners and architects had good intentions, but unfortunately, they lacked understanding of human psychology and human needs. This community is best enjoyed from Google Maps, not from the ground.
First and foremost, all suburbs have the roots in garden cities. They have always been attempts to create a garden city or a garden city inspired. There has never been a true garden city, because there's a lot more to it than design. I mean these are basically cutouts of the original design, but it was more of a concept. As far as this design goes, I don't really think this is the best suburban design to create density while maintaining single family houses. I would say that is more of a bungalow courtyard. Bungalow courtyards would do about the same. There is a reduce of car allotments, or you have a walkable common area. The thing that's great about it. It fits right into a more gridded pattern, although it doesn't have to be. Now I understand that some people say well. That's still not dense enough because well it's single family homes but single family homes are still very popular. And of course if you need even more density, you don't have to do courtyard bungalows as single-family houses you could totally do townhouses, duplexes, Semi-Detach homes.
There has to be more than just a shared driveway to get people to talk to each other. I live in a nice city in a condominium and we have one single driveway and almost no one talks to anyone. In fact, people just walk past you without even acknowledging you exist. Denmark has something else if those people talk to each other.
What about shops and amenities? And schools? This is great but also feel a bit isolated. House that you hold on a land that you rent is not convenient either
This is not a city. It is a place where people living in nearby cities goes on the weekend to enjoy a cup of coffee, speak to the neighbours across the fence, plant potatoes and pull a few carrots.
Didn't see a single person walking or cycling around in this video, I guess due to the ridiculously low density. Looks like a ghost town. And all that boring grass! What an unsustainable waste of space.
That's a prison! A really big and fancy Prison. Controlled access, broad areas easily observable from a single location, with secure overlapping coverage from multiple locations. A panopticon scaled to a village size.
@@heinedenmark Controlled Access; an area subject to direct physical control within which selected persons access may be controlled, regulated or are under continuous physical or electronic surveillance by a minority of people. In plain English an area where there is or may readily be placed a choke point to control access. The, "by who" isn't relevant to what I said because I was describing the place, its features, elements, and attributes. If "prison" is changed to fort, barracks, dorms, housing facility or any other number of words my description would still fit. ... PS Just for the sake of being pedantic. It should be, "Controlled by whom?" Well, that's if memory serves and 9th grade English was correct.
@@spadeespada9432 again controlled by who ???? if i am correct then your grammer is missing alot, why are you not using ` , . ; correct, if you think who should become whom why would he or she or her and him have anything to do with bieng controlled by.. who is correct as you are saying a person is not needed to control, so whom is wrong i would also argue a person might identify as a non gender when it comes to her him she or he these days, so using whom might not be right in any way these days
@@spadeespada9432 Right smart guy.. English isn't my first language. We can continue in Scandinavian or German. It isn't a prison. It's a place to relax. We trust each other in this country.. because it isn't fucked up like yours.
As others have said, they are allotment gardens, probably inspired by the oval gardens in Nærum: da.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Runde_Haver, where each garden has a rounded shape and the in-between areas are much smaller. The gardens in Nærum are really beautiful. That all said, AFAIK, many people live most of the time in the Brøndby gardens and there is a real sense of community. There is excellent public transport to the Brøndby gardens, you don't need a car to live there at all. We really need higher density and better public transportation on a global scale, but I feel a growing suspicion that the emphasis on density is too often used as a green-washing ploy. We do not need Singapore or Midtown Manhattan levels of density, Paris or Brooklyn are fine as 15-minute cities.
The round gardens in Brøndby are not permanent dwellings they are known as kolonihave. The English equivalent is an allotment garden. Allotments in and around Copenhagen are hugely popular as summer retreats for City dwellers who live in flats. There are about 60,000 allotment gardens in Denmark.
This is an allotment garden, not a regular residential area. It is meant as a supplement to living in an apartment. You are not allowed to live there year-round.
It might be an allotment garden, but I see a lot not meant for my good.
Not a lot of vegetables being grown and too much green desert (mowed grass) for my taste.
That one clip of the tall, white, twisty building at 07:00 is not Copenhagen, it is Malmö in Sweden, which is on the other side of the Öresund straight. The cities are connected by a bridge.
Yes it is! I talked about Malmö in my previous video
It's not "a utopian example of urban living". It's a 'kolonihave' (allotment garden). You're not supposed to live there. It's a way for apartment dwellers to have a garden away from their home.
you need to look at the kolinihave idea..
this is not for living, this is for recreation while growing food
these gardens was made for workers living in appartments
it was never intended to have more then sheds, everything just evolved
In NZ we have papakainga where an extended family or sub tribe build a complex of houses and gardens on a single block of land. For example where i live my great grandfather built a homestead to raise my grandfather and his siblings and my grandfather built a house for my dad and his siblings blabla so now my family has 5 houses, 2 cabins, and a sleep out down our driveway. Idk who i would be today if i didn’t have my family around me, life is better growing up with your cousins
not dense, not enough sustainable transport and not enough traffic restrictions...
seems to me this is still "typical suburban sprawl" in most relevant aspects, right?
Most definitely!
With huge swathes of ecologically dead lawns. I don’t even see a kids playground…?
That's funny you say that but that's basically where suburbs came from well, the more modern designs of suburbs, they are rooted in the history of garden cities.
I mean I do like the fact that there are less individual driveways. Driveways cause a lot of more accident points.
But I would say bungalow courtyards are better and take up less space. And do the same thing. I also don't really like that. They don't have any garages or carports, leaving a car for the weather isn't really a good idea.
Well you're wrong, because these are allotment gardens, not homes. It's illegal to live there, you may spend the night during the summer half of the year and a few weekends in the rest of the year. But these are purely recreational.
@@vrenakas far as density goes, that doesn't change the fact that this is still sub urban sprawl
It's not a city, just a series of allotments, and in my opinion, not even very successful. I am willing to believe the architect meant it to be a utopian community, but the grassy lawns between the built-out areas don't seem to be used often, and certainly not as a place where people meet.
The problem with planned communities and especially 'utopian' ones, is that the planners think they understand human psychology better than those who live there. Where do we humans actually like to meet and get together? In a grass patch in the suburbs? No, we love to get together where there are lots of other people, in cities, on crowded streets and squares, surrounded by tall-ish buildings, or if in a village, on the main street. That's what makes us feel comfortable, and there's probably an evolutionary reason for this. On a wide open plain we're vulnerable, especially if we're alone, but with cliffs or trees nearby and with people around us, we have a place to hide and friends to help in case of danger.
The 40s-70s were a time when planners and architects had good intentions, but unfortunately, they lacked understanding of human psychology and human needs. This community is best enjoyed from Google Maps, not from the ground.
First and foremost, all suburbs have the roots in garden cities. They have always been attempts to create a garden city or a garden city inspired. There has never been a true garden city, because there's a lot more to it than design. I mean these are basically cutouts of the original design, but it was more of a concept.
As far as this design goes, I don't really think this is the best suburban design to create density while maintaining single family houses. I would say that is more of a bungalow courtyard.
Bungalow courtyards would do about the same. There is a reduce of car allotments, or you have a walkable common area. The thing that's great about it. It fits right into a more gridded pattern, although it doesn't have to be.
Now I understand that some people say well. That's still not dense enough because well it's single family homes but single family homes are still very popular. And of course if you need even more density, you don't have to do courtyard bungalows as single-family houses you could totally do townhouses, duplexes, Semi-Detach homes.
There has to be more than just a shared driveway to get people to talk to each other. I live in a nice city in a condominium and we have one single driveway and almost no one talks to anyone. In fact, people just walk past you without even acknowledging you exist. Denmark has something else if those people talk to each other.
What about shops and amenities?
And schools? This is great but also feel a bit isolated. House that you hold on a land that you rent is not convenient either
4:09 too bad that O3 road splits the two communities. Surprised there doesn't seem to be a Wikipedia article for this interesting place.
No car garages? No thanks. Glad they enjoy it - nice video.
They´re not homes. More like small summer houses. It´s for people living in apartments to have a garden and a place to stay on week ends and holidays.
This is not a city. It is a place where people living in nearby cities goes on the weekend to enjoy a cup of coffee, speak to the neighbours across the fence, plant potatoes and pull a few carrots.
In what way is being smashed up against your neighbors a "utopia", sounds like a dystopian nightmare to me.
All this talk of a shared garden, and there is no one around?
Didn't see a single person walking or cycling around in this video, I guess due to the ridiculously low density. Looks like a ghost town. And all that boring grass! What an unsustainable waste of space.
Lush greenery? What a friggin lie.
Definitely not a city...
You made a video with words. 😂😂😂 maybe try again. You kinda failed, didn’t you ?
That's a prison! A really big and fancy Prison. Controlled access, broad areas easily observable from a single location, with secure overlapping coverage from multiple locations.
A panopticon scaled to a village size.
Controlled by who?
@@heinedenmark Controlled Access; an area subject to direct physical control within which selected persons access may be controlled, regulated or are under continuous physical or electronic surveillance by a minority of people.
In plain English an area where there is or may readily be placed a choke point to control access.
The, "by who" isn't relevant to what I said because I was describing the place, its features, elements, and attributes. If "prison" is changed to fort, barracks, dorms, housing facility or any other number of words my description would still fit.
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PS Just for the sake of being pedantic. It should be, "Controlled by whom?" Well, that's if memory serves and 9th grade English was correct.
@@spadeespada9432 again controlled by who ????
if i am correct then your grammer is missing alot, why are you not using ` , . ; correct, if you think who should become whom
why would he or she or her and him have anything to do with bieng controlled by..
who is correct
as you are saying a person is not needed to control, so whom is wrong
i would also argue a person might identify as a non gender when it comes to her him she or he these days, so using whom might not be right in any way these days
@@spadeespada9432 Right smart guy.. English isn't my first language. We can continue in Scandinavian or German.
It isn't a prison. It's a place to relax. We trust each other in this country.. because it isn't fucked up like yours.
Well it's not a residential area, and the restricted traffic is by design as you go there to specifically get away from everyday life, including cars.
As others have said, they are allotment gardens, probably inspired by the oval gardens in Nærum: da.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Runde_Haver, where each garden has a rounded shape and the in-between areas are much smaller. The gardens in Nærum are really beautiful. That all said, AFAIK, many people live most of the time in the Brøndby gardens and there is a real sense of community. There is excellent public transport to the Brøndby gardens, you don't need a car to live there at all.
We really need higher density and better public transportation on a global scale, but I feel a growing suspicion that the emphasis on density is too often used as a green-washing ploy. We do not need Singapore or Midtown Manhattan levels of density, Paris or Brooklyn are fine as 15-minute cities.