Shoutouts to Tyler the Intercessor, savior of the chat, who stood as a bulwark against the insatiable tide of phishing bots and chat spammers. May his legend be etched into history, onwards eternally, and inspire our warriors to face the hordes with newfound resolve.
Weird, isn't it, how TH-cam can spend so much time and energy removing the 'Dislike' button, and censoring comments, yet does nothing about sexbots in livestream chats.
Atun-Shei describing his movie as “competent, not a pile of shit, not an embarrassment.” genuinely feels like a bigger more outlandish promise than if he’d said it was a cinematic revolution the likes of which had never before been beheld by the eyes of man.
Well sure I mean it's all a matter of repetition. There are only a handful of times any creator has described their movie as basically just ok, but directors and actors have been hyping their movies beyond all justification for generations. I mean everything from Avatar to The Room and everything in between has been described by their creator as a cinematic revolution the sentiment has lost all meaning.
@@FakeSchrodingersCat I mean, I think it's going to be more than ok - in fact it's shaping up to be pretty damn good. But I understand that when people hear 1) it's low budget and 2) it's directed by a youtuber, their minds immediately go to "oh, so it'll be unwatchable." And 9 times out of 10, they'd be right.
@@AtunSheiFilms Absolutely understand, I am looking forward to it. What I am mainly getting at is what would you think about a movie with those 2 characteristics and the creator came out and said it was a paradigm shift in movie making not seen since Kubrick. Too often people are tempted to overhype things they are involved with that it is refreshing to see someone who is trying to promote something without going overboard.
@@AtunSheiFilms Dude, you literally released a 1 hour and 40 minute movie just the other week called Demonology and it was amazing. Shared it with my buddies that I visited Salem with this year.
1:05:03 I work for *unnamed german car brand* We actually have a very common joke here in Germany, in response to the question of "What did the company do in the 30s and 40s ?" "Well, in 1932 we released a record breaking new model, that was a great economic success, and in 1945 brave men and women cleared away the rubble and rebuilt the factories" "Oh why were the factories destroyed ? Where were all the men ?" "Oh yes of course. In 1954 we won a design award ..."
My grandfather could never bring himself to own a German made car because of his experiences during the war… apparently he owned a very unreliable Mercedes which broke down a lot. It made him continually late for his job as kommandant at Auschwitz.
"Younger and more beautiful and here to overthrow me and eclipse me." Three months later: Atun-Shei Films: 297k subscribers. Miniminuteman: 682K subscribers. I mean he wasn't wrong...
He's adorable, just wanna pinch his cheeks. Lol I got twas twink, mother-of-the-house energy anymore. Kids, die spectacularly before you become a middle aged gay.
The lactose intolerance thing is more or less totally destroyed by the highest levels of lactose tolerance being found in Ireland who are definitely Celtic rather than Germanic. There are also elevated levels of lactose tolerance in Bantu and Masai populations. It definitely evolved in place as a result of agricultural practice rather than descending from an ancestral population.
Yup, LOTS of different populations figured out and relied on dairy as a supplemental food source, and lactose tolerance is higher in ALL those populations, regardless of race, creed or color. Mongolians and the native peoples of the Andes are other major examples.
Saying "I believe I'm half Aryan" instead of Germanic it's like saying "I have Roman ancestors" instead of Italian. Technically correct, but it's all about the implications
@@mondaysinsanity8193 roman heritage? Almost everyone who have ancestors in Europe are Roman descendents. That was a long time ago and people have moved. Almost everyone in Latin America is Roman descend, because the Iberia was under roman rule and the people were romans. You have a over a 1000 years of population movement and mixing.
@@arcticwulf5796 i know this. Not sure your point? Ancestry is ancestry. I mean im explicitly not for the record im scottish, german and norse lmao but still
@@mondaysinsanity8193 problem is people using "proud of your heritage" as a mask to claim racial superioirity or to deliberately further hate crimes against a speficic group of people. You are not born yesterday, you should know this. I'm half Aryan is clearly meant to claim superioirity. We know the context of weaponized racism.
@@arcticwulf5796 i mean yeah half aryan is pretty weird. Especially since it kinda isnt a thing really. But he equated with saying your "roman" Which is perfectly normal thing to think is cool? Embracing your ancestors doesnt make you racist and isnt wrong. Making assumptions based on that is in itself prejudice. Judge someone for being racist when they are actually racist. Assumptions make you welll....
Däniken's doctorate isn't just in an unrelated field. It's honorary (Dr.h.c.), i.e. without any studies at all. He got it from the University of Bolivia.
Disappointingly watching this as a recording means I missed the Invasion of the British Sex Chat-Bots. This was great. I appreciate the discussion of how easy it is to fall down the rabbit hole without ever realizing that there is racism at the root of a lot of these beliefs. As a youth I was a fan of the ancient astronaut hypothesis even if I never believed it fully BUT I had no idea how much of it was based in goofy racist theories until much much later. I remember the first time I heard the idea that it was all based in racism I was confused, even though by that point I'd come around to the other side and started debunking the bad science of AAH. It really isn't something that people talk about enough and it makes me glad I'm subbed to the both of you. Also bringing up the racism that creeps in when people talk about the Indo-Europeans. It's annoying because every time I go to look for information and try to learn about PIE language and people and what we actually know I have to sit there and skim through first to make sure it's not N-zi propaganda. Such a shame.
The thing you said about PIE studies is such a bummer bc a linguistic and cultural lineage that now spans from India to Scandinavia so effectively blows up the modern concept of race. It's exactly the reason I find Indo-European stuff so fascinating.
@@HessianHunter One of the problems with racists and fascists like n-zis is they don't have anything of their own so they have to appropriate stuff from other sources and cultures and reinterpret it to justify their kooky ideas. So they take something that very clearly disagrees with their bigoted nonsensical views of human development and reinterpret it for their ends. They did the same thing with Norse myth, Vikings and Nordic culture as well taking symbols and history from that mythology so now anytime I want to learn about those subjects I have to do a double take to make sure they're not full of shit. It's tough because most laypeople just trying to innocently learn about history aren't going to know they're being misled. Total tangent but this is why it bothers me that many parents, mostly Republican ones, don't want their kids to learn about racism or race in school. Fuck that. If I had kids I'd want them to come out of school fully equiped to dismantle racist arguments the way John Wick dismantles nameless henchmen.
I’m of the opinion that every possible PIE language can be explained by the fact all of the languages those sounds can be found in are hemmed into a geographic region that is difficult to exit, therefore, if you trace the root sounds long enough, you will eventually find random sounds from random peoples throughout that region that eventually became the sound every modern language in that region uses. Not a language, but the product of a linguistic basin, in which the bottom has become so mixed up by time as to appear like a single thing.
@@dashiellgillingham4579 Are India and Italy really both trapped within the same "basin?" While Rome had contact with India they were hardly neighbors, yet Latin and sanskrit have remarkable similarities. PIE accounts for this.
My first encounter with Miniminuteman, although he's popped up in my recommendation feed (the Baghdad Battery one) a couple of times. I ignored him, because I keep getting conspiracy crap from the algorithm. Gonna check his channel out, now that he's shown himself to be a reasonable person. Also, more Shakespeare, please!
This is my first encounter with Atun-Shei Films for exactly the same reason, LOL. I'm a fan of Miniminuteman so I checked this out to support him. I'm happy to have found a new (to me) TH-camr in the niche!
@@B4ndG33k1 Checkmate Lincolnites. Watch all of it. Great content tearing apart every facet of the Lost Cause myth in US Civil War history. Manages to be pretty funny despite the dire subject. Also the Witchfinder General series is peak comedy.
@@Frommerman I just finished the Witchfinder General! I highly recommend Miniminuteman's Awful Archaeology series! It's incredibly satisfying to watch him rip pseudoarcheology apart.
More King Phillip's War videos? HELL. YES. The Civil War brought me to this channel, but I became incredibly fascinated watching just the couple videos he's done on KPW. Totally would've bought his board game if I had the money, and a group of people who'd be into playing it
10:00 My biggest WTF on this one is, why would a megalith from 2,000 BC apply to the first of various months of the Gregorian calendar. Solstices and equinoxes, sure, but the first of August?
Probably cross-quarter days (the day between solstices & equinoxes). These are like Feb 2, May 1, Aug 1, & Oct 31 (approximately). Not super unusual for astro-archeological sites to have cross-quarter alignments.
@@riffdenbow9055 That would make sense, but the midway point between the solstices and adjacent equinoxes would be about the fifth or sixth of the month, the solstice/equinox would have to fall on the 15th for the midpoint to be the first, but they are the 20th or 21st. The use of the first would presumably be due to convenience in the current Gregorian calendar (possibly also impacted by Calendar drift under the Julian calendar). Something making no sense 2000 years before Julius Caesar.
@@riffdenbow9055 The halfway points between the equinox and solstices don't fall on the first of any month. The only one you mentioned accurate is Feb 2nd. For Lughnasad which is the Summer one it usually falls on August 7th. The main reasons dates like these tend to be singled out by modern numerologists and fakes is because they are the first or last of our modern months so seem more important then what appears to be a random day to laypeople.
Fun fact, Steiner was a follower of Helena Blavatsky till he figured Theosophy wasn't Eurocentric enough, so he founded his own belief system called Anthroposophy. Unsurprisingly, he was a weird ass guy.
2:25:15 Jefferson is a fascinating figure to me specifically because of the way he condemns himself, and the way that hypocrisy makes it so difficult to figure out how he compares, ethically, to a Washington or a Jackson, who more straightforwardly did some things that were good, and did other, distinct things that were obviously horrible to a modern observer. It's this strange dynamic where he's actively fighting against the expansion of slavery while simultaneously being a rapist and, well, a slaver. It gives a sense that there is, at least perhaps, a great deal of tension between Thomas the individual and the head of the Jefferson household.
My Dad thinks of Jefferson as a very good lawyer. The man was very good at making arguments, every which way. So he did. If it made his argument stronger, he would use it, regardless of wether he’d said the opposite thing before.
@@dashiellgillingham4579 But then what do we do with his actions? He wrote and seems to have genuinely fought for a clause in the 1784 Land Ordinance that would have established a western boundary for slavery, preventing its expansion. And yet he continued to hold hundreds of people in slavery for the next forty years. You could say that he thought the people of Virginia, the Carolinas, Maryland, and Georgia were simply exceptions to a general rule against holding slaves, but that seems to contradict most of the rest of what he fought for. That's what I mean about condemning himself, and why I distinguish him from a largely unrepentant slaveholder like Washington who happened to have done other things that were good.
@@mpetersen6 What does it mean to judge, here? Jefferson and all his immediate victims are dead. His residual victims and beneficiaries are affected by much more than his personal actions. There is no rectifying the past, not directly. If we wish to learn from him, we must decide what he did right and what he did wrong, and seek to understand why he did those things. What we cannot do is let one interfere with the other: either to let our judgement of his actions decide our understanding of his reasons, or to let our understanding of his beliefs dictate our feeling on his deeds.
Freddy Mercury was born in Zanzibar to a Parsi-Indian family who practiced Zoroastrianism. He is about as “aryan” has Ho Chi Min. But from a group who are included in the block to which the term was originally applied by 19th Century racists rather than 20th Century racists.
I am but a wretched sinner, utterly unworthy of God’s love. A fountain of pollution is deep within my nature, and I livest as a winter tree: unprofitable, fit only to be hewn down and burned. My only redemption may be that I might steep my life in prayer, and hope that God sees fit to show mercy upon my corrupted soul.
in re: Ghost tours - Reminds me of the sign-off on the vampire tour I took in New Orleans in... I think '07? "And you want to know the best tip for making sure a vampire doesn't follow you home?" *pause* "Remember to tip your tour guide"
You know how for the last decade "science communication" has been a recognized field, distinct from doing the science? Well, Milo, you're the best archeology communicator I know of.
Really interesting video, as expected. P.S: Not sure how well known this is, but "Many enemies, much honor" is one of Mussolini's most famous quotes...What an interesting coincidence that Von Daniken would be quoting him...
The editor for _Chariots of the Gods_ was Utz Utermann, a former editor of _Völkischer Beobachter_ which was the official newspaper for the Nazi Party.
@@joshuahadams Holy shit. The English Wikipedia page omits that info, but it's on the German Wikipedia page. And he was the chief editor of the Hitler Youth magazine. I always thought that Chariots of the Gods was eurocentric and here I am learning that it was edited by a freaking Nazi.
"Many Enemies, much honour!" ("Viel Feind', viel Ehr'!"is actually an old German proverb that predates the Nazis or Mussolini by over 400 years. It was coined by Georg von Frundsberg, a very successful German Landsknecht mercenary leader, 1513 after the Battle of Creanza, a victory over the Venetians. LIke so many things it was abused by the Nazis, which even called an SS-tank-Division "Frundsberg". The saying was never uncommon for general use in Germany to this very time.
My history professor made a huge point to try to get into who the people were and what shaped them. No matter who they were. It was awesome and shaped my understanding of history and people forever. Like finding out that Lenin's brother being a pro democracy advocate who was hung by Tsars, and Lenin's resulting vengeance against them predating his eventual embrace of communism as an ideology, was really interesting to see these people as people and not historical figures.
I'd think something about what we call the "Bronze Age Collapse" would be nice to have a historical first hand account from, could fill in some gaps potentially in what we know about the event
That's surprising Confederates hated Jefferson. I figured his agrarianism and anti federalism would appeal to them but I guess his very mild anti slavery attitudes and deism turned them off. I know they were just short of erecting temples to washington to pray at, in their love for him. I know Teddy Roosevelt hated jefferson for his agrarianism and anti federalism.
"The zoomers love him" .... Gen x here.... I love how totally New England Milo is. Represent, homie!! We need people to see the real New Englander deal. Thank you, Milo.
I remember researching about Steiner. The rabbit hole was deep and full of crackpottery. Also, "many enemies, much honor" is LITERALLY A FASCIST MOTTO FROM THE 1930S
it's a sentence linked to a soldier or Landsknecht named Georg von Frundsberg. He lived between 1473 and 1528 and this saying is used in German speaking military since then and to this day. There just happened to be 12 fascists years inbetween the other 500. Dont make everything German Nazi pls ...
Is it just me, or does anyone else regard these Atun Shei crossovers with the same glee as an Avengers movie? Andy is always down for a collabo and I fucking love him for it!!
1:55:49 Freddy Mercury was from a Zoroastrian practicing ethnic group originally from Persia that migrated to Zanzibar at some point. The “actual Aryans” were also from Persia.
The only people who have ever historically used the word Aryan to identify themselves have been from Iran and northern India. If anyone has claim to the word it's people like Mercury.
I’m pretty sure “Iranian” itself is just what the descendant of those people still called themselves after Persia won its independence, and the state adopted their name in order to distance itself from the colonial era.
The first time I heard the phrase "The War of Northern Agresstion, was on the Berverly Hillbillies, but then again I lived In MA till I was almost 8 before Moving to New Zealand for the rest of my childood
I didn't hear the term until ninth grade history, when my New York classroom was invaded by a student teacher originally from Virginia. Honestly, she was just talking about the difference between how her grandmother talked about the "woh-ah," as opposed to how it was taught in the late nineties-early noughties.
Yeah… first heard it from my 8th grade history teacher. In New York State. I still haven’t quite figured out, looking back, if that was a clumsy attempt to introduce nuance and looking outside your own framework or if he truly meant it. His sarcasm was hard to catch sometimes… This was the same teacher who did a “if the Nazis were in charge” thought experiment and went through almost everyone in the class going “you’re dead, you’re dead, you’re dead” citing either last name or a physical feature. Certainly both unsettling and memorable. Which I think he meant it to be.
Milo literally grew up near my mom, went to the same college as my dad, and moved to the same tiny little state I live in currently. What a tiny little fucking world.
Assuming the Irish Megalithic site you're talking about near the start is Newgrange? Brú na Bóinne really is an impressive site, and there's a number of other, smaller, passage tombs there too! These don't have the same 20th century restoration and conservation work, so when you go there you aren't visually primed by the assumptions of how it 'should' have looked
The "many enemies, much honor" thing is a German expression ("Viel Feind, viel Ehr'"). It's most often said by contrarians who are rightfully unpopular.^^
Stellar alignments are amazing for psuedoarchaeology. :P You could throw a handful of stones on a football stadium, and odds are you would find at least one "meaningful alignment" between any two stones.
One piece of lost history that I'd be interested in knowing is that during in the 1700s a surgeon was supposed to examine some bones that were (by legend) the bones of King Arthur. Unfortunately, as the bines were being shipped, the ship was lost to the sea.
Here's a part of a talk by Matt Parker at the RI about some amazing facts about ancient monolithic site, and other ancient sites, in England: th-cam.com/video/6JwEYamjXpA/w-d-xo.html
I hope this comes across in the right way, but the two of you are a dynamite pairing together. Just being able to listen to you banter like this was totally captivating for a few hours. I really hope we see more of you collaborating. You could go nuclear levels of growth as a duo. Did you guys say you wanted to make a short film together? That's a deeply cool idea.
For mystery hill Ken Feder has talked about it and read a bit from an archaeology dig that did happen there. It was an old cider mill which is why there’s the big raised stone and the first guy who thought it was special thought because there were rocks and the mill was built into the hill that it must be like the irish monks chambers so he moved rocks and reconstructed it to make it look like what he thought it was.
Oh, my word! I roared out loud at, "Should I probably put more in this?" As an almost-retired, Navy vet from a Massachusetts town that was originally a Praying Indian Village called Nashoba, I say, "Cheers!"
Re: assertion that CSA just wanted peace and to be left alone--ha! Then why did it start off seizing Federal property e.g. armories? I learned about all the armed action taken by the South before Lincoln was even inaugurated on one of Atun-Shei's videos. Clearly the South was contemplating something other than peace. Like burglars who come armed, the South was not adverse to using violence to get its way.
I was looking through your old videos the other day and was kinda shocked to see you only started in like 2019 or 2020. I coulda swore I remembered you being around before that
I don't know if you have ever played any of the Elder Scrolls games, but in Skyrim "milk drinker" is an insult used by Nords and Orcs to refer to wimps, so hearing this dude refer to "milk drinking aryans" makes me giggle.
As someone who dabbles a fair bit in studying Proto-Indo-European subjects, the fact the fucking Aryan one went hard from "let's reference the steppe hypothesis but racistly" straight to Noah's Arc and Steiner is both whiplash and not at all shocking at the same time. Y'all fucking amazing together lmao
Atun-Shei looks like Trevor from WKUK. Specifically from the video of him telling us that it's illegal to say that you want to fire a mortar into the White House from the roof of the Rockerfeller building.
My 2 favorite youtube historians....excellent! I wish TH-cam was around right when I got out of school.....would have enjoyed participating to the arena of ideas
Atun-Shei looks like he invented time travel so that he can talk to future people from his 1980-1990s history show
I'd watch that show
Headcanon accepted.
Wait so that's not what he is? Color me surprised
I miss that TV fuzz, every time I see it nowadays I feel so nostalgic.
He was the missing guest from a Ken Burns documentary
the line "That was worse than I imagined, and I imagined Nazi's" really sums up a large portion of the internet
Shoutouts to Tyler the Intercessor, savior of the chat, who stood as a bulwark against the insatiable tide of phishing bots and chat spammers. May his legend be etched into history, onwards eternally, and inspire our warriors to face the hordes with newfound resolve.
The gods know his name...
Weird, isn't it, how TH-cam can spend so much time and energy removing the 'Dislike' button, and censoring comments, yet does nothing about sexbots in livestream chats.
@@primmakinsofis614 Or the comments for that matter
@@disconnected7737 Or youtube shorts for that matter
@@qdjushufjjdvtejuudjrdh5595 Just about anything on this platform with a comment function
atun shei camera quality really looks like he comes straight out of a 90s documentary
Looks like a lab tech in a 90s movie right before the alien escapes
He looks like an animated oil painting.
Probably using LUTs from 90s History Channel.
Almost a Giorgios tsoukalos tribute
It's very soft, reminds me of VHS.
Atun-Shei describing his movie as “competent, not a pile of shit, not an embarrassment.” genuinely feels like a bigger more outlandish promise than if he’d said it was a cinematic revolution the likes of which had never before been beheld by the eyes of man.
Well sure I mean it's all a matter of repetition. There are only a handful of times any creator has described their movie as basically just ok, but directors and actors have been hyping their movies beyond all justification for generations. I mean everything from Avatar to The Room and everything in between has been described by their creator as a cinematic revolution the sentiment has lost all meaning.
@@FakeSchrodingersCat I mean, I think it's going to be more than ok - in fact it's shaping up to be pretty damn good. But I understand that when people hear 1) it's low budget and 2) it's directed by a youtuber, their minds immediately go to "oh, so it'll be unwatchable."
And 9 times out of 10, they'd be right.
@@AtunSheiFilms Absolutely understand, I am looking forward to it.
What I am mainly getting at is what would you think about a movie with those 2 characteristics and the creator came out and said it was a paradigm shift in movie making not seen since Kubrick. Too often people are tempted to overhype things they are involved with that it is refreshing to see someone who is trying to promote something without going overboard.
@@AtunSheiFilms Dude, you literally released a 1 hour and 40 minute movie just the other week called Demonology and it was amazing. Shared it with my buddies that I visited Salem with this year.
1:05:03 I work for *unnamed german car brand* We actually have a very common joke here in Germany, in response to the question of "What did the company do in the 30s and 40s ?"
"Well, in 1932 we released a record breaking new model, that was a great economic success, and in 1945 brave men and women cleared away the rubble and rebuilt the factories"
"Oh why were the factories destroyed ? Where were all the men ?"
"Oh yes of course. In 1954 we won a design award ..."
No one ever talks about Herbie's grim past before he became the Love Bug.
@@jessecarozza6745 Herbie the Hate Wagon does roll off the tongue...
@johnnobody
And now I'm going to go muse to myself about writing a dystopian parody screenplay called "Herbie: The Harbinger of Hate"...
“We were transporting juice for the Nazis, they ran through a lot of juice during the war”
My grandfather could never bring himself to own a German made car because of his experiences during the war… apparently he owned a very unreliable Mercedes which broke down a lot. It made him continually late for his job as kommandant at Auschwitz.
This has “professor drinking with his grad students” energy
indeed
"These young kids and there bathrooms and genders. They just don't get it."
Sweats nervously and glances at my stockpile of 20 bathrooms
Remember, gender was an invention of Big Plumbing to sell more bathrooms
We must close the bathroom gap with the dod derned commies!
Don't even get me started about my 12 genders.
@@roosajarvinen5698 Mom says you have to share with me.
@@BirchMonkey857 "Empty your pockets, I want all your genders now!"
I feel like miniminutemans imposter syndrome would go away if he had the Indiana Jones hat.
I've got one, and can confirm!
but i think once the hat settles on his head, we've lost him. no more milo. its indy now
"Younger and more beautiful and here to overthrow me and eclipse me."
Three months later:
Atun-Shei Films: 297k subscribers.
Miniminuteman: 682K subscribers.
I mean he wasn't wrong...
GRRM wins again!
He's adorable, just wanna pinch his cheeks. Lol I got twas twink, mother-of-the-house energy anymore.
Kids, die spectacularly before you become a middle aged gay.
now
Atun-Shei Films: 376k subscribers.
Miniminuteman: 1,61 mil. subscribers.
he was right, very right.
Miniminuteman reached 2M
I like how Atun Shei always looks like he’s in a soap opera from the nineties.
The lactose intolerance thing is more or less totally destroyed by the highest levels of lactose tolerance being found in Ireland who are definitely Celtic rather than Germanic. There are also elevated levels of lactose tolerance in Bantu and Masai populations. It definitely evolved in place as a result of agricultural practice rather than descending from an ancestral population.
It was a contortion level stretch to begin with.
no no no, the germanic peoples only have high lactose tolerance because they descend from *milk drinking aryans*
Yup, LOTS of different populations figured out and relied on dairy as a supplemental food source, and lactose tolerance is higher in ALL those populations, regardless of race, creed or color. Mongolians and the native peoples of the Andes are other major examples.
IIRC there are ten or so distinct lines of descent for lactose tolerance ID'd in genetic surveys.
I guarantee that the counter argument for that is going to be "Irish aren't white!"
the genetically superior lactose tolerant aryan is the funniest phrase ever
I love the joke "People who get diarrhea from Taco Bell are weak and their bloodline should be forgotten."
Saying "I believe I'm half Aryan" instead of Germanic it's like saying "I have Roman ancestors" instead of Italian. Technically correct, but it's all about the implications
Not sure whats wrong with being proud of roman heritage? Wouldn't question if someone was proud to be zulu or descended from genghis khan
@@mondaysinsanity8193 roman heritage? Almost everyone who have ancestors in Europe are Roman descendents.
That was a long time ago and people have moved. Almost everyone in Latin America is Roman descend, because the Iberia was under roman rule and the people were romans.
You have a over a 1000 years of population movement and mixing.
@@arcticwulf5796 i know this. Not sure your point? Ancestry is ancestry. I mean im explicitly not for the record im scottish, german and norse lmao but still
@@mondaysinsanity8193 problem is people using "proud of your heritage" as a mask to claim racial superioirity or to deliberately further hate crimes against a speficic group of people.
You are not born yesterday, you should know this.
I'm half Aryan is clearly meant to claim superioirity. We know the context of weaponized racism.
@@arcticwulf5796 i mean yeah half aryan is pretty weird. Especially since it kinda isnt a thing really. But he equated with saying your "roman"
Which is perfectly normal thing to think is cool?
Embracing your ancestors doesnt make you racist and isnt wrong. Making assumptions based on that is in itself prejudice. Judge someone for being racist when they are actually racist. Assumptions make you welll....
"The federal government was a very racist institution... ʷᵃˢ"
Had to rewind just to made sure I caught that lol
Däniken's doctorate isn't just in an unrelated field. It's honorary (Dr.h.c.), i.e. without any studies at all. He got it from the University of Bolivia.
The Duo of Historical Comedy Has United
The Duo of Historical Comedy and Archaeologist Comedy Has United. Thank you very much.
Yay! New Englander crossover! Half expected Andy to voice the distain of the Witchfinder General on the mention of Milo living in Rhode Island.
Disappointingly watching this as a recording means I missed the Invasion of the British Sex Chat-Bots. This was great. I appreciate the discussion of how easy it is to fall down the rabbit hole without ever realizing that there is racism at the root of a lot of these beliefs. As a youth I was a fan of the ancient astronaut hypothesis even if I never believed it fully BUT I had no idea how much of it was based in goofy racist theories until much much later.
I remember the first time I heard the idea that it was all based in racism I was confused, even though by that point I'd come around to the other side and started debunking the bad science of AAH. It really isn't something that people talk about enough and it makes me glad I'm subbed to the both of you.
Also bringing up the racism that creeps in when people talk about the Indo-Europeans. It's annoying because every time I go to look for information and try to learn about PIE language and people and what we actually know I have to sit there and skim through first to make sure it's not N-zi propaganda. Such a shame.
The thing you said about PIE studies is such a bummer bc a linguistic and cultural lineage that now spans from India to Scandinavia so effectively blows up the modern concept of race. It's exactly the reason I find Indo-European stuff so fascinating.
@@HessianHunter One of the problems with racists and fascists like n-zis is they don't have anything of their own so they have to appropriate stuff from other sources and cultures and reinterpret it to justify their kooky ideas. So they take something that very clearly disagrees with their bigoted nonsensical views of human development and reinterpret it for their ends. They did the same thing with Norse myth, Vikings and Nordic culture as well taking symbols and history from that mythology so now anytime I want to learn about those subjects I have to do a double take to make sure they're not full of shit.
It's tough because most laypeople just trying to innocently learn about history aren't going to know they're being misled.
Total tangent but this is why it bothers me that many parents, mostly Republican ones, don't want their kids to learn about racism or race in school. Fuck that. If I had kids I'd want them to come out of school fully equiped to dismantle racist arguments the way John Wick dismantles nameless henchmen.
I’m of the opinion that every possible PIE language can be explained by the fact all of the languages those sounds can be found in are hemmed into a geographic region that is difficult to exit, therefore, if you trace the root sounds long enough, you will eventually find random sounds from random peoples throughout that region that eventually became the sound every modern language in that region uses. Not a language, but the product of a linguistic basin, in which the bottom has become so mixed up by time as to appear like a single thing.
@@dashiellgillingham4579 Are India and Italy really both trapped within the same "basin?" While Rome had contact with India they were hardly neighbors, yet Latin and sanskrit have remarkable similarities. PIE accounts for this.
Super cute to see Andy genuinely interested and caring about Milo in the end there, asking about how he's doing, discussing TH-cam career, etc.
My first encounter with Miniminuteman, although he's popped up in my recommendation feed (the Baghdad Battery one) a couple of times. I ignored him, because I keep getting conspiracy crap from the algorithm. Gonna check his channel out, now that he's shown himself to be a reasonable person.
Also, more Shakespeare, please!
This is my first encounter with Atun-Shei Films for exactly the same reason, LOL. I'm a fan of Miniminuteman so I checked this out to support him. I'm happy to have found a new (to me) TH-camr in the niche!
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Welcome to the party! We have history, suffering, and comedy.
@@B4ndG33k1 Checkmate Lincolnites. Watch all of it. Great content tearing apart every facet of the Lost Cause myth in US Civil War history. Manages to be pretty funny despite the dire subject.
Also the Witchfinder General series is peak comedy.
@@eldorados_lost_searcher Thanks, glad to be here! I've already watched the VVitchfinder General series, and I'm hooked 😃
@@Frommerman I just finished the Witchfinder General! I highly recommend Miniminuteman's Awful Archaeology series! It's incredibly satisfying to watch him rip pseudoarcheology apart.
More King Phillip's War videos?
HELL. YES.
The Civil War brought me to this channel, but I became incredibly fascinated watching just the couple videos he's done on KPW. Totally would've bought his board game if I had the money, and a group of people who'd be into playing it
10:00 My biggest WTF on this one is, why would a megalith from 2,000 BC apply to the first of various months of the Gregorian calendar.
Solstices and equinoxes, sure, but the first of August?
Probably cross-quarter days (the day between solstices & equinoxes). These are like Feb 2, May 1, Aug 1, & Oct 31 (approximately). Not super unusual for astro-archeological sites to have cross-quarter alignments.
@@riffdenbow9055 That would make sense, but the midway point between the solstices and adjacent equinoxes would be about the fifth or sixth of the month, the solstice/equinox would have to fall on the 15th for the midpoint to be the first, but they are the 20th or 21st.
The use of the first would presumably be due to convenience in the current Gregorian calendar (possibly also impacted by Calendar drift under the Julian calendar). Something making no sense 2000 years before Julius Caesar.
@@riffdenbow9055 The halfway points between the equinox and solstices don't fall on the first of any month. The only one you mentioned accurate is Feb 2nd. For Lughnasad which is the Summer one it usually falls on August 7th. The main reasons dates like these tend to be singled out by modern numerologists and fakes is because they are the first or last of our modern months so seem more important then what appears to be a random day to laypeople.
Look, Pope Gregory XIII was an alien biodrone, man. DUH!
Fun fact, Steiner was a follower of Helena Blavatsky till he figured Theosophy wasn't Eurocentric enough, so he founded his own belief system called Anthroposophy. Unsurprisingly, he was a weird ass guy.
A virulent anti-Semite who got in trouble with the Nazis for his opposition to violence against Jewish people.
Weird is right.
Can you imagine getting cornered at a dinner party by some guy who wants to talk to you about this new anthro-theology he founded
@@christianwhalen9263 "One word Benjamin. FACELESS DOLLS."
@@samlosco8441 What ethno-religions other than Judaism are there?
@@adorabell4253 Hinduism ?
Amazing that Erich von Däniken is still active. We had a class session debunking Chariots of the Gods in one of my high school social studies classes.
For the best they teach you that skill to truly think for yourself I'm proud of your highschool
2:25:15 Jefferson is a fascinating figure to me specifically because of the way he condemns himself, and the way that hypocrisy makes it so difficult to figure out how he compares, ethically, to a Washington or a Jackson, who more straightforwardly did some things that were good, and did other, distinct things that were obviously horrible to a modern observer. It's this strange dynamic where he's actively fighting against the expansion of slavery while simultaneously being a rapist and, well, a slaver. It gives a sense that there is, at least perhaps, a great deal of tension between Thomas the individual and the head of the Jefferson household.
My Dad thinks of Jefferson as a very good lawyer. The man was very good at making arguments, every which way. So he did. If it made his argument stronger, he would use it, regardless of wether he’d said the opposite thing before.
@@dashiellgillingham4579 But then what do we do with his actions? He wrote and seems to have genuinely fought for a clause in the 1784 Land Ordinance that would have established a western boundary for slavery, preventing its expansion. And yet he continued to hold hundreds of people in slavery for the next forty years. You could say that he thought the people of Virginia, the Carolinas, Maryland, and Georgia were simply exceptions to a general rule against holding slaves, but that seems to contradict most of the rest of what he fought for. That's what I mean about condemning himself, and why I distinguish him from a largely unrepentant slaveholder like Washington who happened to have done other things that were good.
One trap we should never fall into is judging the actions individuals strictly by the moral standards of our time.
@@mpetersen6 What does it mean to judge, here? Jefferson and all his immediate victims are dead. His residual victims and beneficiaries are affected by much more than his personal actions. There is no rectifying the past, not directly. If we wish to learn from him, we must decide what he did right and what he did wrong, and seek to understand why he did those things. What we cannot do is let one interfere with the other: either to let our judgement of his actions decide our understanding of his reasons, or to let our understanding of his beliefs dictate our feeling on his deeds.
Freddy Mercury was born in Zanzibar to a Parsi-Indian family who practiced Zoroastrianism. He is about as “aryan” has Ho Chi Min. But from a group who are included in the block to which the term was originally applied by 19th Century racists rather than 20th Century racists.
I am but a wretched sinner, utterly unworthy of God’s love. A fountain of pollution is deep within my nature, and I livest as a winter tree: unprofitable, fit only to be hewn down and burned. My only redemption may be that I might steep my life in prayer, and hope that God sees fit to show mercy upon my corrupted soul.
A godly comment
@@AtunSheiFilms ...as Godly as it is relevant to this particular dialogic pamphlet, your worship!
I am totally embroidering that on a pillow
"I livest as a winter tree: unprofitable, fit only to be hewn down and burned". Can I just point here that I like apples, so, no.
wot
in re: Ghost tours - Reminds me of the sign-off on the vampire tour I took in New Orleans in... I think '07?
"And you want to know the best tip for making sure a vampire doesn't follow you home?" *pause* "Remember to tip your tour guide"
That makes sense. Who better to give a vampire tour than a vampire. They also need some money
You know how for the last decade "science communication" has been a recognized field, distinct from doing the science? Well, Milo, you're the best archeology communicator I know of.
Atun-Shei's lighting and resolution and blue shirt is giving real 90's TV vibes.
Atun-shei reminds me of the main character's friend from the show Early Edition. A very 90s show.
I am sooo old. Old enough to be both your dad, but you are both smarter than me, when it comes to History, and I love history, THANK YOU BOTH.
not the cinematic universe I was expecting, but the one I'm 100% here for.
Really interesting video, as expected.
P.S: Not sure how well known this is, but "Many enemies, much honor" is one of Mussolini's most famous quotes...What an interesting coincidence that Von Daniken would be quoting him...
The editor for _Chariots of the Gods_ was Utz Utermann, a former editor of _Völkischer Beobachter_ which was the official newspaper for the Nazi Party.
@@joshuahadams Holy shit. The English Wikipedia page omits that info, but it's on the German Wikipedia page. And he was the chief editor of the Hitler Youth magazine. I always thought that Chariots of the Gods was eurocentric and here I am learning that it was edited by a freaking Nazi.
"Many Enemies, much honour!" ("Viel Feind', viel Ehr'!"is actually an old German proverb that predates the Nazis or Mussolini by over 400 years. It was coined by Georg von Frundsberg, a very successful German Landsknecht mercenary leader, 1513 after the Battle of Creanza, a victory over the Venetians.
LIke so many things it was abused by the Nazis, which even called an SS-tank-Division "Frundsberg".
The saying was never uncommon for general use in Germany to this very time.
The collaboration we didn’t know we wanted, didn’t deserve but we truely needed it and got it
My history professor made a huge point to try to get into who the people were and what shaped them. No matter who they were. It was awesome and shaped my understanding of history and people forever. Like finding out that Lenin's brother being a pro democracy advocate who was hung by Tsars, and Lenin's resulting vengeance against them predating his eventual embrace of communism as an ideology, was really interesting to see these people as people and not historical figures.
Oh my God, two of my favorite educational TH-camrs collabing with each other
I'd think something about what we call the "Bronze Age Collapse" would be nice to have a historical first hand account from, could fill in some gaps potentially in what we know about the event
That's surprising Confederates hated Jefferson. I figured his agrarianism and anti federalism would appeal to them but I guess his very mild anti slavery attitudes and deism turned them off. I know they were just short of erecting temples to washington to pray at, in their love for him. I know Teddy Roosevelt hated jefferson for his agrarianism and anti federalism.
"The zoomers love him" ....
Gen x here....
I love how totally New England Milo is. Represent, homie!! We need people to see the real New Englander deal. Thank you, Milo.
I'm a Boomer who loves Milo' s work. He's young enough to be my grandchild, but he gives good information in a charmingly irreverent style.
I remember researching about Steiner.
The rabbit hole was deep and full of crackpottery.
Also, "many enemies, much honor" is LITERALLY A FASCIST MOTTO FROM THE 1930S
it's a sentence linked to a soldier or Landsknecht named Georg von Frundsberg. He lived between 1473 and 1528 and this saying is used in German speaking military since then and to this day. There just happened to be 12 fascists years inbetween the other 500. Dont make everything German Nazi pls ...
@@NKDuisburg02 fascist as in fascist italy. If I were referencing nazi stuff I'd have said nazi.
I'm amazed that you made it out alive from this. I would've thought this stream would end in alcohol poisoning.
I just recently discovered Miniminuteman. Love his stuff.
Just found out that Milo went to college at the same time as me, in the same town as me. Would've loved to meet this dude at some point.
Super fun chat! I enjoyed the tangents from both of these wonderful TH-camrs. Great way to spend an evening!
This was a great chat, love from Washington (even tho you left us behind Milo xD)
Is it just me, or does anyone else regard these Atun Shei crossovers with the same glee as an Avengers movie? Andy is always down for a collabo and I fucking love him for it!!
1:55:49
Freddy Mercury was from a Zoroastrian practicing ethnic group originally from Persia that migrated to Zanzibar at some point. The “actual Aryans” were also from Persia.
The only people who have ever historically used the word Aryan to identify themselves have been from Iran and northern India. If anyone has claim to the word it's people like Mercury.
@@Shakazaramesh that’s… what I said?
@@509Gman Oh yeah, I think I replied to the wrong person.
I’m pretty sure “Iranian” itself is just what the descendant of those people still called themselves after Persia won its independence, and the state adopted their name in order to distance itself from the colonial era.
The first time I heard the phrase "The War of Northern Agresstion, was on the Berverly Hillbillies, but then again I lived In MA till I was almost 8 before Moving to New Zealand for the rest of my childood
I didn't hear the term until ninth grade history, when my New York classroom was invaded by a student teacher originally from Virginia.
Honestly, she was just talking about the difference between how her grandmother talked about the "woh-ah," as opposed to how it was taught in the late nineties-early noughties.
Yeah… first heard it from my 8th grade history teacher. In New York State. I still haven’t quite figured out, looking back, if that was a clumsy attempt to introduce nuance and looking outside your own framework or if he truly meant it. His sarcasm was hard to catch sometimes…
This was the same teacher who did a “if the Nazis were in charge” thought experiment and went through almost everyone in the class going “you’re dead, you’re dead, you’re dead” citing either last name or a physical feature. Certainly both unsettling and memorable. Which I think he meant it to be.
Milo literally grew up near my mom, went to the same college as my dad, and moved to the same tiny little state I live in currently.
What a tiny little fucking world.
How am I only seeing this now? This is amazing!
Just recently discovered atun-shei and Milo but I am so happy y’all did a video together
Loving both of these two, seeing them collab made me screech like a scrawling baby bat.
THIS CAME OUT A YEAR AGO HOW DID I MISS IT
Finally the titans of ahistorical misinformation have united
*Ahistorical.
(I’m not criticizing.)
@@wafflepoet5437 Actually, thank you
Assuming the Irish Megalithic site you're talking about near the start is Newgrange? Brú na Bóinne really is an impressive site, and there's a number of other, smaller, passage tombs there too! These don't have the same 20th century restoration and conservation work, so when you go there you aren't visually primed by the assumptions of how it 'should' have looked
yep that's the one
EEEEEEE! I just discovered Milo! and Atun-shei and Milo together! BE STILL MY HEART!
The "many enemies, much honor" thing is a German expression ("Viel Feind, viel Ehr'"). It's most often said by contrarians who are rightfully unpopular.^^
Stellar alignments are amazing for psuedoarchaeology. :P You could throw a handful of stones on a football stadium, and odds are you would find at least one "meaningful alignment" between any two stones.
And the others would point to special ley line points. Those stones must be magic crystals from ancient Atlantian aliens from the Bible!
One piece of lost history that I'd be interested in knowing is that during in the 1700s a surgeon was supposed to examine some bones that were (by legend) the bones of King Arthur. Unfortunately, as the bines were being shipped, the ship was lost to the sea.
Here's a part of a talk by Matt Parker at the RI about some amazing facts about ancient monolithic site, and other ancient sites, in England: th-cam.com/video/6JwEYamjXpA/w-d-xo.html
When they both hit a million subscribers they are going to have a drinking game to Mel Gibson's historical films.... Will they survive?
😉
The Collab I didn’t know I needed
32:26 YES!!!
Great video, you two have a lot of "war of religion" era hair content possibilities.
Bummed I missed watching live, but this is still so great!
I hope this comes across in the right way, but the two of you are a dynamite pairing together.
Just being able to listen to you banter like this was totally captivating for a few hours. I really hope we see more of you collaborating. You could go nuclear levels of growth as a duo. Did you guys say you wanted to make a short film together?
That's a deeply cool idea.
You guys should do this more often, like other duos of TH-camrs do. Example being Suris and Ocean Keltoi with their Podcast.
Mile slowly creating the Archology TH-cam Shared Universe and I'm here for it!
I didn't know this video existed, but I'm glad it does. Well-done, gentlemen!
For mystery hill Ken Feder has talked about it and read a bit from an archaeology dig that did happen there. It was an old cider mill which is why there’s the big raised stone and the first guy who thought it was special thought because there were rocks and the mill was built into the hill that it must be like the irish monks chambers so he moved rocks and reconstructed it to make it look like what he thought it was.
Just wanted to say Milo now had over 2 million subscribers
This is the collaboration I've always needed
With or without the drinking game, I truly enjoyed this video. I hope you will do more of these 'talks.' Thank you for doing this.
Ive been watching both of these guys for a while and somehow missed this
I feel like the "It's (Probably) Not Aliens" guys need to do an episode with you guys at some point.
Yes!
1:00 you could say a googledebunker
2 of my favorite TH-camrs in the same vid? I'm winning like Charlie Sheen!😂
"Many enemies, much honor" is literally a slogan used by Mussolini and his blackshirts.
So we can safely assume Eric's not biased at all.
Fuck yeah, both of my favourite history TH-camrs streaming together? My dreams have come true!
Oh, my word! I roared out loud at, "Should I probably put more in this?" As an almost-retired, Navy vet from a Massachusetts town that was originally a Praying Indian Village called Nashoba, I say, "Cheers!"
"Two white guys from MA solved racism" - probably the most cursed statement I did ever hear lol
On von Daniken, wasn't Chariots of the Gods literally re-written by a former editor of the official Nazi Party newspaper?
It was.
Yes
Re: assertion that CSA just wanted peace and to be left alone--ha! Then why did it start off seizing Federal property e.g. armories? I learned about all the armed action taken by the South before Lincoln was even inaugurated on one of Atun-Shei's videos. Clearly the South was contemplating something other than peace. Like burglars who come armed, the South was not adverse to using violence to get its way.
Wow, hell of a mashup. Love to see it.
i need more atun-shei and miniminuteman.
So glad to see these two doing something together, especially doing something so insightful and entertaining!
I was looking through your old videos the other day and was kinda shocked to see you only started in like 2019 or 2020. I coulda swore I remembered you being around before that
Yes! The meeting i was hoping for and hadn't seen yet.
👍👍
I don't even understand the point in subscribing without ringing the bell- I'm subscribed to both of you and didn't know this happened for 9 months.
I don't know if you have ever played any of the Elder Scrolls games, but in Skyrim "milk drinker" is an insult used by Nords and Orcs to refer to wimps, so hearing this dude refer to "milk drinking aryans" makes me giggle.
I thought the same thing. And I have to say that dude certainly is a milk drinker
to my knowledge, it was a real anglish insult at some point
and specifically, it meant someone who couldn't hold their alcohol
As someone who dabbles a fair bit in studying Proto-Indo-European subjects, the fact the fucking Aryan one went hard from "let's reference the steppe hypothesis but racistly" straight to Noah's Arc and Steiner is both whiplash and not at all shocking at the same time.
Y'all fucking amazing together lmao
1:16:05 to become a real man I stopped drinking cows milk and now exclusively drink bulls milk
Atun-Shei looks like Trevor from WKUK. Specifically from the video of him telling us that it's illegal to say that you want to fire a mortar into the White House from the roof of the Rockerfeller building.
And lucky for us, illegal doesn't necessarily mean immoral 😎
(It's probably immoral too idk I'm not an ethics committee)
He is a Dollar Store Quentyn Martell to Atun-Shei's Dollar Store Jaime Lannister
This was awesome, I hope you both collab again soon. P.S. I was drinking with you both...lol
I love to see my two favorite history content creater do content together
My 2 favorite youtube historians....excellent!
I wish TH-cam was around right when I got out of school.....would have enjoyed participating to the arena of ideas
Damn! I’m sorry I missed it! What a fantastic stream!
Grew up in Haverhill. Been to mystery hill a few times. Glacial rocks and moraines?
andy: ahhh these kids with their genders I just don't get it
also andy: instinctually corrects "layman" to "lay-person"
king behavior
Alcohol+superchats=distraction^fun!
Or maybe fun to the power of distraction, I studied anthropology, not maths.
Also, congrats on the engagement!