So it seems I had the submarine surprise strikes slightly wrong. I thought subs got a surprise strike in-between all rounds of combat (if no destroyer), but also fired along with other units during regular rounds. In any case, we were playing that if no destroyer is present, submarines get to essentially fire twice, but any hits do not eliminate casualties immediately. Perhaps I'll make a video explaining submarine warfare soon. Thank to Hatlessspider and Cam Hart for the clarifications 👍
I still remember one of my first games of Axis & Allies classic version back in the late 1990s. My friend and neighbor Alex planned to invade India with Japan. All that stood between his invasion army and my ill prepared India was a lone transport in the sea zone surrounding India. You need know that back then, according to the rules, a transport could defend @1 and control a sea zone. In order to carry out his invasion he had to destroy my British transport first. He sent two Japanese fighters to sink the British transport for good and to get his own transports into the sea zone for the invasion. Now you can already guess what happened... First round: his two fighters both missed scoring at least @3 while my transport scored a hit. Second round: he didn't score again with his one dice while my transport shot his other Zero out of the sky. The odds for scoring two hits with one dice in a row with only scoring @1 are 1 to 36 while his chances of scoring one hit with three dice @3 were close to 100 per cent. But yet the heroic British transport fended off the Japanese invasion for another round, helping me to reinforce and keep the jewel of the crown. And win the game with this pivotal moment.
Moments like those are what makes A&A an enjoyable game imo. Strategy, teamwork and a long campaign are all fun ofc, but these kind of battles are just hilarious
The greatest game of axis and Allie’s I ever played was a 4 player game I was controlling the axis powers and I had the best luck ever when on turn 1 if I remember I had built 3 transports with Germany and was poised to strike England the following turn and on the British turn I had shot down their air force like 2 airplanes got shot down because I was rolling ones like crazy and then on my German turn I took out England also I had captured Karelia on the same turn then on my following German turn I had placed infantry their and fighter on England and then pushed into Russia and captured Russia then America tried to counter attack England but failed in retaking it so after americas turn I had won the game because you have to take out 2 capitals in the classic version of axis and Allie’s to win the game so that’s my all time favorite game I ever played
I believe since there is no destroyer present, the sub's attacks are all surprise attacks, meaning if the hit destroys the enemy ship, that ship will not get a retaliatory attack. Also I believe the fighters could land on the island within that sea zone. Looks like Solomon Islands?
Thank for your comment, I was aware of these rules. Can't remember the exact details (this video is just a recreation) If I remember right, the UK/US captured the Solomon Islands, and the Japanese BB and AC moved in to destroy the transport. Surprise strikes occur in between rounds of combat. Surprise strike hits eliminate a sea unit immediately, but regular sub hits can be countered - atleast that's what we were playing
@@CorporalClegg Thanks for the video, I enjoyed the dramatic re-creation, lol! @Hatlessspider is correct, with no destroyer present the sub will have a surprise attack for EVERY round of combat, so when you hit the AC it would not have had a chance to counter back (and of course the planes were never able to fire back at the sub)... what should have happened was your opponent chose to lose the AC in the 2nd round (as its defensive roll is much lower than the BB - and the planes can't land anyway, so no point in keeping it), and then in the 3rd round when you scored the hit, the BB would not have been eligible to fire back... Either way, you won, as you should have - just pointing out that if playing according to official OOB rules your sub would have survived... the video would have been less dramatic, then, however, lol!!!
Thanks man glad you enjoyed it! You are correct, unless the surprise strikes miss, and the regular sub rolls hit, which is what must have happened. We were a good 4 or 5 beers into the game at this point and I can't remember exactly how it happened, but I remember it was an intense battle and glorious victory!
@@CorporalClegg If no destroyer is present, no such thing as "regular sub rolls"... subs will continually (and only) roll in the sneak attack round... it does sound like an epic game! I know what you mean about being hard to remember... :)
Hmm is that so? Gonna have to check back through the rulebook then! I always thought they were seperate rolls in-between rounds of combat! Maybe that's how it is in 42.2 which is what I'm used to? Thanks for the clarification anyway!
A beautiful summary great post. Thanks it was fun to watch, and reminds those of us who play, sometimes even the best strategy sucks because of dice. And sometimes the worst strategy works because of the dice. Lol
Great re-creation of an epic battle! I remember one game of classic years ago (not sure we had the rules completely right), on Germany's 1st turn they bought dice for tech and got both heavy bombers and long range aircraft. That same turn they went ahead with a Sealion attack, and London fell in G1, before UK could do anything 🤣
My oldest favorite "Commander in Chief" rules. I was axis doing the German turtling game, my cousins were getting good working the allies under one commander, turtling is a must early, so I'm surviving in my shell a while and my Japan is now facing English and US naval building directly in the Pacific, everyone building submarines up with the carriers alongside. The allied fleets got my Japan in retreat from their commander in chief stack, about to face certain unfavorable battle odds, the last moment in fly's the German bomber to Tokyo, immediately placing 3 stacked German control markers declaring Germany as commander in chief of Japan, one turn ahead of the UK commander in chief pacific. Japan gets one last build, all submarines, the US moved their huge pile in range and the German commander in Chief made the attack achieving victory from apparent defeat. I don't recall who won that game but it's my favorite 1st edition commander in chief memory. That's a brutal combination, it should be on the technology tree at least, good game ending tool
I was at YGs tourney. Our game started late so we were the last ones to be playing. It was 1 to nothing because they had done a sealion. Two turns in a row we launched attacks to take out the fleet and recapture England. Last roll came down to 1 v 1 for the tie. My tank destroyed his piece in a literal fireball. Fire department had to be ca.....forget it. I won the battle and staved off defeat. Did almost the same thing the next day taking Sidney for the tie.
Epic dice battles, braveries all around. I recall that anything hit by an attacking submarine can't shoot back except destroyers. The submarine first strike rule is every round of battle that no destroyer is present. I've often thought taking damage on a battleship from a submarine hit would still disqualify the battleship from returning fire. The rules I remember say sub hits don't get to shoot back, sunk is not used, the battleship ain't sunk, but it just took a sub hit, no shooting back ..but I've never verified this. Super submarines for Japan, yeah, adding the sub casualties couldn't have even returned fire, you basically have a sub free shot turn 1 no destroyer, by hitting the battleship second round, only the carrier was qualified to shoot back. I'd have to try everytime, the odds aren't as horrible as first appearance
Anniversary Edition, 1941 Scenario, Eastern Font, some years back. Leningrad had fallen, Stalingrad had fallen, and the numerically superior Nazi force descended from all directions on Moscow for the final kill... Dice flew in their dozens.... it appeared defeat was imminent for the Soviets... plastic men, tanks, armour, artillery and aircraft fell in droves into the casualty pile... And at the end of it all, after the final dramatic role of the dice, the sole remaining unit on the entire Eastern Front was a single Soviet tank sitting on Moscow! I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes!
How is that in Round 2 the Battleship returned fire if it was already sunk, and same in Round 3 with the destroyed Carrier. What's the point of surprise attack anyway?
I can't remember exactly how the battle took place. But either the island was USA controlled or happened somewhere else. The fighters had no place to land I do remember that
Haha this is great, reminds me of a game i had with my brother in pacific 1940 a long time ago, i played japan and he played allies and he was crushing me. The only way i came back from it was a “sneaky” and lucky invasion into Sydney (I say sneaky but he was more distracted and overconfident on how the game would turn out) back when japanese destroyers could carry one infantry
Dude I just played a round where I was bloackading Libya with 4 yes 4! Destroyers, 2 subs and a cruiser! In one zone! All that against 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 3 fighters and a bomber, however I rolled straight sixes, the Brit’s took me out, all my ships without taking out a single British ship, I was infuriated further more I also lost French indochina to 3 infantry and 1 fighter yet I had 2 infantry and a fighter and he didn’t lose a single troop, I did get some good kills on my Japanese turn I took out a fleet of 1 American aircraft carrier with a plane and a destroyer, and also a British battleship and cruiser
DAS BOOT!(Or the British version THE JOLLY GOOD SUB!)A fleet like that without a destroyer deserves to be sunk(despite the incredible odds against it), anyway as your countrymen would say"A JOLLY GOOD SHOW OLE CHAP🇬🇧"! Reminds me of the TH-cam game when my American bomber sunk a battleship along with a couple of transports, and that Italian ship missed my aircraft THREE STRAIGHT TIMES! At the time my side was getting killed by the Axis forces, so out of desperation I said to myself "Heck, why not!"(I couldn't believe it!), and it was a real morale booster for my team if only temporary! I still have that anniversary game saved on my TH-cam video from last year where I'm really whooping it up being caught in the moment, too bad you don't still have the video evidence from that battle.... or do you?! 👍👏
Haha marvelous! Sometimes you just have to take the risk. You never know who the dice will favour. Sadly, no video evidence of the event itself (was playing a offline local game)
@@CorporalClegg she had the worst rolls I’ve ever seen. Bad luck through and through. She’s a great girl. Meet her in Nuremberg before army shut everything down
Yeah you guys got the rules wrong but...everyone was playing by same rule. So the axis got to enjoy the same benefit. It acted like a house rule. I’m guessing the map was full of submarines tho.
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So it seems I had the submarine surprise strikes slightly wrong. I thought subs got a surprise strike in-between all rounds of combat (if no destroyer), but also fired along with other units during regular rounds.
In any case, we were playing that if no destroyer is present, submarines get to essentially fire twice, but any hits do not eliminate casualties immediately.
Perhaps I'll make a video explaining submarine warfare soon. Thank to Hatlessspider and Cam Hart for the clarifications 👍
Subs always get to use sneak shot attacks if no destroyer is present but if they have a destroyer then they cancel out all subs abilities
@@TheSultan79 Yep! I was still pretty new to the game when I posted this video. Always found submarine attacks confusing..
Remember subs are deadly with the Germans
It doesn’t take a bit of the heroism of that sub away....well, it does but I will choose to believe otherwise
Forcing an opponent to build destroyers is a great way to clear your opponents wealth so they have fewer transports for land invasions.
I still remember one of my first games of Axis & Allies classic version back in the late 1990s. My friend and neighbor Alex planned to invade India with Japan. All that stood between his invasion army and my ill prepared India was a lone transport in the sea zone surrounding India. You need know that back then, according to the rules, a transport could defend @1 and control a sea zone. In order to carry out his invasion he had to destroy my British transport first. He sent two Japanese fighters to sink the British transport for good and to get his own transports into the sea zone for the invasion. Now you can already guess what happened...
First round: his two fighters both missed scoring at least @3 while my transport scored a hit.
Second round: he didn't score again with his one dice while my transport shot his other Zero out of the sky.
The odds for scoring two hits with one dice in a row with only scoring @1 are 1 to 36 while his chances of scoring one hit with three dice @3 were close to 100 per cent. But yet the heroic British transport fended off the Japanese invasion for another round, helping me to reinforce and keep the jewel of the crown. And win the game with this pivotal moment.
Epic... (sniffle)... that was epic, (cough, sob)... carry on.
this is great man, feel bad for that poor guy that lost the fleet to that sub
that Sub Commander was a hero. Fair winds and following seas shipmate.
Moments like those are what makes A&A an enjoyable game imo. Strategy, teamwork and a long campaign are all fun ofc, but these kind of battles are just hilarious
The greatest game of axis and Allie’s I ever played was a 4 player game I was controlling the axis powers and I had the best luck ever when on turn 1 if I remember I had built 3 transports with Germany and was poised to strike England the following turn and on the British turn I had shot down their air force like 2 airplanes got shot down because I was rolling ones like crazy and then on my German turn I took out England also I had captured Karelia on the same turn then on my following German turn I had placed infantry their and fighter on England and then pushed into Russia and captured Russia then America tried to counter attack England but failed in retaking it so after americas turn I had won the game because you have to take out 2 capitals in the classic version of axis and Allie’s to win the game so that’s my all time favorite game I ever played
I believe since there is no destroyer present, the sub's attacks are all surprise attacks, meaning if the hit destroys the enemy ship, that ship will not get a retaliatory attack.
Also I believe the fighters could land on the island within that sea zone. Looks like Solomon Islands?
Thank for your comment, I was aware of these rules. Can't remember the exact details (this video is just a recreation)
If I remember right, the UK/US captured the Solomon Islands, and the Japanese BB and AC moved in to destroy the transport.
Surprise strikes occur in between rounds of combat. Surprise strike hits eliminate a sea unit immediately, but regular sub hits can be countered - atleast that's what we were playing
@@CorporalClegg Thanks for the video, I enjoyed the dramatic re-creation, lol! @Hatlessspider is correct, with no destroyer present the sub will have a surprise attack for EVERY round of combat, so when you hit the AC it would not have had a chance to counter back (and of course the planes were never able to fire back at the sub)... what should have happened was your opponent chose to lose the AC in the 2nd round (as its defensive roll is much lower than the BB - and the planes can't land anyway, so no point in keeping it), and then in the 3rd round when you scored the hit, the BB would not have been eligible to fire back... Either way, you won, as you should have - just pointing out that if playing according to official OOB rules your sub would have survived... the video would have been less dramatic, then, however, lol!!!
Thanks man glad you enjoyed it!
You are correct, unless the surprise strikes miss, and the regular sub rolls hit, which is what must have happened. We were a good 4 or 5 beers into the game at this point and I can't remember exactly how it happened, but I remember it was an intense battle and glorious victory!
@@CorporalClegg If no destroyer is present, no such thing as "regular sub rolls"... subs will continually (and only) roll in the sneak attack round... it does sound like an epic game! I know what you mean about being hard to remember... :)
Hmm is that so? Gonna have to check back through the rulebook then! I always thought they were seperate rolls in-between rounds of combat! Maybe that's how it is in 42.2 which is what I'm used to?
Thanks for the clarification anyway!
A beautiful summary great post. Thanks it was fun to watch, and reminds those of us who play, sometimes even the best strategy sucks because of dice. And sometimes the worst strategy works because of the dice. Lol
Hey thanks man! Glad you enjoyed it. You might also like my worst moments video :)
Cheers Thomas
Great re-creation of an epic battle! I remember one game of classic years ago (not sure we had the rules completely right), on Germany's 1st turn they bought dice for tech and got both heavy bombers and long range aircraft. That same turn they went ahead with a Sealion attack, and London fell in G1, before UK could do anything 🤣
Thanks Matt!
Damn, that poor UK player! I can only imagine the look of horror and disbelief on the allies faces, great story!
@@CorporalClegg shortest game ever - just start over!
My oldest favorite "Commander in Chief" rules. I was axis doing the German turtling game, my cousins were getting good working the allies under one commander, turtling is a must early, so I'm surviving in my shell a while and my Japan is now facing English and US naval building directly in the Pacific, everyone building submarines up with the carriers alongside. The allied fleets got my Japan in retreat from their commander in chief stack, about to face certain unfavorable battle odds, the last moment in fly's the German bomber to Tokyo, immediately placing 3 stacked German control markers declaring Germany as commander in chief of Japan, one turn ahead of the UK commander in chief pacific. Japan gets one last build, all submarines, the US moved their huge pile in range and the German commander in Chief made the attack achieving victory from apparent defeat. I don't recall who won that game but it's my favorite 1st edition commander in chief memory. That's a brutal combination, it should be on the technology tree at least, good game ending tool
Absolute Cinema
Brilliant!
Great job keeping their sacrifice alive! 😆
I was at YGs tourney. Our game started late so we were the last ones to be playing. It was 1 to nothing because they had done a sealion. Two turns in a row we launched attacks to take out the fleet and recapture England. Last roll came down to 1 v 1 for the tie. My tank destroyed his piece in a literal fireball. Fire department had to be ca.....forget it. I won the battle and staved off defeat. Did almost the same thing the next day taking Sidney for the tie.
Never had a game come down to one single dice roll... Sounds like an amazing moment! Thanks for sharing
In a high platinum level game I attacked 1 carrier 2 fighter 2 transports with 1 Battleship and won and survived
Epic dice battles, braveries all around. I recall that anything hit by an attacking submarine can't shoot back except destroyers. The submarine first strike rule is every round of battle that no destroyer is present. I've often thought taking damage on a battleship from a submarine hit would still disqualify the battleship from returning fire. The rules I remember say sub hits don't get to shoot back, sunk is not used, the battleship ain't sunk, but it just took a sub hit, no shooting back ..but I've never verified this.
Super submarines for Japan, yeah, adding the sub casualties couldn't have even returned fire, you basically have a sub free shot turn 1 no destroyer, by hitting the battleship second round, only the carrier was qualified to shoot back. I'd have to try everytime, the odds aren't as horrible as first appearance
tragic story yet rewarding
TABS begins playing.
Anniversary Edition, 1941 Scenario, Eastern Font, some years back. Leningrad had fallen, Stalingrad had fallen, and the numerically superior Nazi force descended from all directions on Moscow for the final kill... Dice flew in their dozens.... it appeared defeat was imminent for the Soviets... plastic men, tanks, armour, artillery and aircraft fell in droves into the casualty pile... And at the end of it all, after the final dramatic role of the dice, the sole remaining unit on the entire Eastern Front was a single Soviet tank sitting on Moscow! I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes!
I cried
I thought that while subs can’t hit aircraft, aircraft CAN hit subs, even without a destroyer. Am I mistaken?
Planes can't hit subs unless they have a destroyer present
Well done sir, well done...
Many thanks!
How is that in Round 2 the Battleship returned fire if it was already sunk, and same in Round 3 with the destroyed Carrier. What's the point of surprise attack anyway?
The fighters still could have landed on the island of the solomons after they lost their carrier because it was in Japanese control was it not
I can't remember exactly how the battle took place. But either the island was USA controlled or happened somewhere else. The fighters had no place to land I do remember that
@@CorporalClegg nevermind that’s right I guess the Americans must have taken the solomons previously
@@CorporalClegg did not see the American control marker their
RIP British sub
Haha this is great, reminds me of a game i had with my brother in pacific 1940 a long time ago, i played japan and he played allies and he was crushing me. The only way i came back from it was a “sneaky” and lucky invasion into Sydney (I say sneaky but he was more distracted and overconfident on how the game would turn out) back when japanese destroyers could carry one infantry
Dude I just played a round where I was bloackading Libya with 4 yes 4! Destroyers, 2 subs and a cruiser! In one zone! All that against 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 3 fighters and a bomber, however I rolled straight sixes, the Brit’s took me out, all my ships without taking out a single British ship, I was infuriated further more I also lost French indochina to 3 infantry and 1 fighter yet I had 2 infantry and a fighter and he didn’t lose a single troop, I did get some good kills on my Japanese turn I took out a fleet of 1 American aircraft carrier with a plane and a destroyer, and also a British battleship and cruiser
DAS BOOT!(Or the British version THE JOLLY GOOD SUB!)A fleet like that without a destroyer deserves to be sunk(despite the incredible odds against it), anyway as your countrymen would say"A JOLLY GOOD SHOW OLE CHAP🇬🇧"! Reminds me of the TH-cam game when my American bomber sunk a battleship along with a couple of transports, and that Italian ship missed my aircraft THREE STRAIGHT TIMES! At the time my side was getting killed by the Axis forces, so out of desperation I said to myself "Heck, why not!"(I couldn't believe it!), and it was a real morale booster for my team if only temporary! I still have that anniversary game saved on my TH-cam video from last year where I'm really whooping it up being caught in the moment, too bad you don't still have the video evidence from that battle.... or do you?! 👍👏
Haha marvelous! Sometimes you just have to take the risk. You never know who the dice will favour.
Sadly, no video evidence of the event itself (was playing a offline local game)
actually man that video where the usa bomber sunk a italyan battleship was the first i saw from your channel, insta subscribe at the time
@@pilotop517 WHOOOA, COOLIO!!!😮🤡🎲
My greatest moment was taking Russia in 2 turns when I played with my girlfriend. She has since then become better than me..
2 turns is crazy! Must have been down to bad Russian play / good dice rolls..
Your girlfriend seems cool!
@@CorporalClegg she had the worst rolls I’ve ever seen. Bad luck through and through. She’s a great girl. Meet her in Nuremberg before army shut everything down
This is great!!! Well done
Thanks captain! Really glad you're enjoying the channel
I'm waiting for the Movie ( Tom Hanks)?
Mel Gibson
Lol. Awesome
My greatest moment was defeating the soviets and Americans as Germany
Yeah you guys got the rules wrong but...everyone was playing by same rule. So the axis got to enjoy the same benefit. It acted like a house rule. I’m guessing the map was full of submarines tho.
Nobody be celebrating for that aa gunner though :/