I spent 7 years building, moving, tareing down, and doing every kind of bin repair possible. those 4 jacks with new cables and 1,000-1,500lb winches will lift about any size bin up to 36ft, then id put 2 more jacks on, and if you can find a big door put it in it makes life a lot easier then crawling in those little doors! good luck
Thanks for the info. Ive heard anywhere from using a jack at every seam which seemed like a lot of overkill to me, all the way down to 3 which seemed a little sketchy. 4 seems to be the norm on bins this size.
I got the "pleasure" of using a set of jacks like that on some 30" bins several years ago. The worst part was driving the old truck axles and hubs they used as anchors in the ground. Sketchy is a good word to describe it. Best of luck! lol
The bin guy working with me right now on our 19 foot west steels uses chain falls hung on the top of the A frame he said he would never use cable again (to many horror stories)... We used 6 jacks to lift them but it was more for stability then lift capacity.
I want to say we used 6 or 8 jacks but most of our bins were 30 footers so may be your fine, hook one up you only have to take the weight off to get the first ring out! The new jacks are hydraulic an bolts to the inside with a central power unit. Have dad get 4 cylinders and power unit and build it
That would be handy but even with dads supplier discounts something like that would not be cheap. Ide have to start moving bins for hire just to make them worth the time and money and I aint all about that. lol
We've done the "free to use" fixer upper jack thing before. We used Harbor Freight 1000lb. crank winches, but I don't see why the electric ones won't work. The jacks won't handle more than that, you just add more jacks. The jacks need to lean away from the wall to allow for the roof edge to pass. I can give you more pointers if you like, Good luck!
our rule was a jack every other sheet, you should be able to bolt those on the jacks on the third ring and git 2 rings per reset. any questions sent em my way
having used those jacks to take down a bin i would def go with the power winches just to make it easier and as for weight i think you should be just fine for what your doing and cheaper than a crane too
Great vid, but I've been meaning to ask you two questions: 1. What is the max amount of land do you think you could farm with your current setup, and 2 how much money did it take you to get into farming
I wouldnt have any issues doing 500 with the equipment I have now but I would have to be farming full time. I didnt take me a whole lot to get started but I was lucky enough to already have ground.
Iv'e only moved hopper bins so can't offer any help. Have watched my neighbors install a 200,000 bushel bin, it was quite a process. Don,t see why the electric winches wouldn't work. Personally if it was my project I would'nt trust those old winches but that's just me. Can't wait to see how it comes together, I'm sure you and your dad will figure it out. Good luck, see you next post.
The old winches are out. As screwed up as that second one was im not risking it. Dad brought home on of the electric winches today to look at and we think it will work.
Get the new winches for the money you can't go wrong. The 900-1000 lb. winches are enough to pick up a 24 footer with four jacks. 30 footer requires 5 jacks. I've moved several bins and it's more about the mechanics of the winch that gets you hurt than it is about the cable along as its not frayed. The locks and brakes on the winch should be in good shape.
not having to mess with cable would sure make it worthwhile to me if the price is similar. I got to think 4000 pounds would be lots. I have participated in assembly of a smaller one when I was kid. The panels were pretty light. Handled pieces of one about that same size and they didn't seem that heavy. That was when I was younger but still don't remember them being monstrous in size
Once I get the bottom ring off I know I wont have any weight issues because those are the thickest panels. As long as I can get the thing far enough off the ground to pull them out it will be all down hill from there.
You will find that the jacks seem unstable . Four will be enough theand be saelectric winches would be a little to fast I think . be real careful when you dont have the door to go through. It seem like there is a million bolts . If they are smaller hauling them all together is much faster. Good luck be safe.
If any of the winches have parts that look iffy replace them. The electric ones would be nice but how are you going to power them and control all 4 at once ? Its been a long time sense I did one but there were 4 guys on the winches 2 relaying orders and one in control watching what was going on telling everyone what to do. It has to come down even and slowly and you need 3 guy wires to anchor the bin down in case of wind. Take your time and think it threw before you start taking it down, Once you start it has to go all the way down. Bandit
We are taking our Miller Welder Generator over there for power and there is going to be at least 5 of us over there working on them so running 4 winches wont be an issue. I have to have a jackhammer to get the auger out of the concrete for the 18 foot bin so we need electricity anyway.
Boy I'll bet the auger tube is going to be rough after it been in concrete for that long. Just take your time figuring it out before you start, Cause once you start it has to come all the way down or the wind will take it ! Good luck getting it down and be careful ! Bandit
How much rain did you get Sunday night? We got about 1/2 inch. Go check out 2009 corn harvest and look for 720 John Deere with a mounted corn picker and sheller.
Are you borrowing the electric winches or buying them? I understood that you are borrowing these bin jacks so you would need to find a use for all those electric winches or sell them or w.e. As far as ease of use, the electric ones would be the cats miaow but, assuming they're 12v, you'll need a bunch of batteries or vehicles to power them. To move 1 or 2 bins, id put the cheaper manual ones, after all they aren't your jacks. But if the price is right for the electrics, and if you ever move more bins, sure why not. Easier is better.
We are getting use of the winches for free to. But we are planning on building a good set of bin jacks for putting these things back up so we are probably going to end up buying a set anyway.
+Oliver66FarmBoy Cool deal, we build our own tilting bin mover and so far have been fine with heights. Mind you they were only 1600 and 2000 bushel tin cans lol
Rings get thinner as you go up so the bottom ring is the heaviest 1000 lb winches should be enough..The jacks we had were made out of heavier tubing, but the jacks you have look like they are built pretty good 4 jacks should do the job...I once used MSC for hardware but now I use a company ----Mcmaster-Carr..Got a location close to you......Might benefit you to check them out....
We decided to go with the electric winches. They are Warn PowerTuggers so they should be good shit. Dad brought one home today to look at and for a 1000 pound winch its a heavy little sum bitch. I think they were probably intentionally conservative with their 1000 pound rating.
+Oliver66FarmBoy all of our shipping weights include the floor but that might just be us. Pound wise you should be good but if it was me "which it's not and just my opinion" I would use the smaller jack also just for the stability factor.
i dont know if this will help but i found this but looking up shipping weight of grain bins on ag talk "A 21' 6 ring with 44" rings would be 5,500+/-. That is the bin shell only." and then on www.westeel.com Part # Model Description Approximate Weight Capacity Diameter Eave Height Overall Height 195701 Model 1504 Wide Corr Farm Bin 2400 lbs 2390 bu
15 ft
14.8 ft
18.9 ft
195701L
Model 1504 Wide Corr Farm Bin for Sealform 2300 lbs
2390 bu
15 ft
14.8 ft
18.9 ft
195702
Model 1505 Wide Corr Farm Bin 2900 lbs
2930 bu
15 ft
18.5 ft
22.6 ft
195702L
Model 1505 Wide Corr Farm Bin for Sealform 2800 lbs
2930 bu
15 ft
18.5 ft
22.6 ft
195703
Model 1506 Wide Corr Farm Bin 3500 lbs
3470 bu
15 ft
22.2 ft
26.2 ft
195703L
Model 1506 Wide Corr Farm Bin for Sealform 3400 lbs
3470 bu
15 ft
22.2 ft
26.2 ft
195704
Model 1507 Wide Corr Farm Bin 4200 lbs
4010 bu
15 ft
25.8 ft
29.9 ft
195704L
Model 1507 Wide Corr Farm Bin for Sealform 4100 lbs
4010 bu
15 ft
25.8 ft
29.9 ft
195706
Model 1804 Wide Corr Farm Bin 2800 lbs
3500 bu
18 ft
14.8 ft
19.8 ft
195706L
Model 1804 Wide Corr Farm Bin for Sealform 2700 lbs
I heard what he was asking for in his video I wouldn't of posted if it had the floor weight on there according to what I read the floor and Augers add about anther 2000 to 5000 pounds depending on the size of the bin.
I spent 7 years building, moving, tareing down, and doing every kind of bin repair possible. those 4 jacks with new cables and 1,000-1,500lb winches will lift about any size bin up to 36ft, then id put 2 more jacks on, and if you can find a big door put it in it makes life a lot easier then crawling in those little doors! good luck
Thanks for the info. Ive heard anywhere from using a jack at every seam which seemed like a lot of overkill to me, all the way down to 3 which seemed a little sketchy. 4 seems to be the norm on bins this size.
Very useful information. Thank you.
I got the "pleasure" of using a set of jacks like that on some 30" bins several years ago. The worst part was driving the old truck axles and hubs they used as anchors in the ground. Sketchy is a good word to describe it. Best of luck! lol
At least with anchors like that they aint going anywhere. lol
The bin guy working with me right now on our 19 foot west steels uses chain falls hung on the top of the A frame he said he would never use cable again (to many horror stories)... We used 6 jacks to lift them but it was more for stability then lift capacity.
I want to say we used 6 or 8 jacks but most of our bins were 30 footers so may be your fine, hook one up you only have to take the weight off to get the first ring out! The new jacks are hydraulic an bolts to the inside with a central power unit. Have dad get 4 cylinders and power unit and build it
That would be handy but even with dads supplier discounts something like that would not be cheap. Ide have to start moving bins for hire just to make them worth the time and money and I aint all about that. lol
We've done the "free to use" fixer upper jack thing before. We used Harbor Freight 1000lb. crank winches, but I don't see why the electric ones won't work. The jacks won't handle more than that, you just add more jacks. The jacks need to lean away from the wall to allow for the roof edge to pass. I can give you more pointers if you like, Good luck!
our rule was a jack every other sheet, you should be able to bolt those on the jacks on the third ring and git 2 rings per reset. any questions sent em my way
One of the local guys that move bins is using chain hoists instead of wenches on his jacks1-1.5 ton
having used those jacks to take down a bin i would def go with the power winches just to make it easier and as for weight i think you should be just fine for what your doing and cheaper than a crane too
Great vid, but I've been meaning to ask you two questions: 1. What is the max amount of land do you think you could farm with your current setup, and 2 how much money did it take you to get into farming
I wouldnt have any issues doing 500 with the equipment I have now but I would have to be farming full time. I didnt take me a whole lot to get started but I was lucky enough to already have ground.
Iv'e only moved hopper bins so can't offer any help. Have watched my neighbors install a 200,000 bushel bin, it was quite a process. Don,t see why the electric winches wouldn't work. Personally if it was my project I would'nt trust those old winches but that's just me. Can't wait to see how it comes together, I'm sure you and your dad will figure it out. Good luck, see you next post.
The old winches are out. As screwed up as that second one was im not risking it. Dad brought home on of the electric winches today to look at and we think it will work.
Get the new winches for the money you can't go wrong. The 900-1000 lb. winches are enough to pick up a 24 footer with four jacks. 30 footer requires 5 jacks. I've moved several bins and it's more about the mechanics of the winch that gets you hurt than it is about the cable along as its not frayed. The locks and brakes on the winch should be in good shape.
I think we are going to go with the electric winches since we can borrow them for free.
not having to mess with cable would sure make it worthwhile to me if the price is similar. I got to think 4000 pounds would be lots. I have participated in assembly of a smaller one when I was kid. The panels were pretty light. Handled pieces of one about that same size and they didn't seem that heavy. That was when I was younger but still don't remember them being monstrous in size
Once I get the bottom ring off I know I wont have any weight issues because those are the thickest panels. As long as I can get the thing far enough off the ground to pull them out it will be all down hill from there.
That is for sure. Good luck, I am interested to see how it goes
If you figure 1lb / bu you'll be close. 3000 bu bin is around 3000 lbs give or take couple hundred lbs either way depending on make of bin.
i would something little more manly just to be on the safe side
You will find that the jacks seem unstable . Four will be enough theand be saelectric winches would be a little to fast I think . be real careful when you dont have the door to go through. It seem like there is a million bolts . If they are smaller hauling them all together is much faster. Good luck be safe.
Do you know where to get the winch portion of it. I need about 6 rated for 4000 lbs
If any of the winches have parts that look iffy replace them. The electric ones would be nice but how are you going to power them and control all 4 at once ? Its been a long time sense I did one but there were 4 guys on the winches 2 relaying orders and one in control watching what was going on telling everyone what to do. It has to come down even and slowly and you need 3 guy wires to anchor the bin down in case of wind. Take your time and think it threw before you start taking it down, Once you start it has to go all the way down. Bandit
We are taking our Miller Welder Generator over there for power and there is going to be at least 5 of us over there working on them so running 4 winches wont be an issue. I have to have a jackhammer to get the auger out of the concrete for the 18 foot bin so we need electricity anyway.
Boy I'll bet the auger tube is going to be rough after it been in concrete for that long. Just take your time figuring it out before you start, Cause once you start it has to come all the way down or the wind will take it ! Good luck getting it down and be careful ! Bandit
How much rain did you get Sunday night? We got about 1/2 inch. Go check out 2009 corn harvest and look for 720 John Deere with a mounted corn picker and sheller.
Are you borrowing the electric winches or buying them? I understood that you are borrowing these bin jacks so you would need to find a use for all those electric winches or sell them or w.e. As far as ease of use, the electric ones would be the cats miaow but, assuming they're 12v, you'll need a bunch of batteries or vehicles to power them. To move 1 or 2 bins, id put the cheaper manual ones, after all they aren't your jacks. But if the price is right for the electrics, and if you ever move more bins, sure why not. Easier is better.
We are getting use of the winches for free to. But we are planning on building a good set of bin jacks for putting these things back up so we are probably going to end up buying a set anyway.
+Oliver66FarmBoy Cool deal, we build our own tilting bin mover and so far have been fine with heights. Mind you they were only 1600 and 2000 bushel tin cans lol
Ya, I wouldn't trust those. If you can get your hands on those electric winches when you reassemble them also I think you're better off.
Electric ones should be here tomorrow. Gonna make life a whole lot easier.
Could you made a machinery tour/run through?
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Rings get thinner as you go up so the bottom ring is the heaviest 1000 lb winches should be enough..The jacks we had were made out of heavier tubing, but the jacks you have look like they are built pretty good 4 jacks should do the job...I once used MSC for hardware but now I use a company ----Mcmaster-Carr..Got a location close to you......Might benefit you to check them out....
We decided to go with the electric winches. They are Warn PowerTuggers so they should be good shit. Dad brought one home today to look at and for a 1000 pound winch its a heavy little sum bitch. I think they were probably intentionally conservative with their 1000 pound rating.
probably so
dont mess around with old winches, your talking about $30.00 per new winch, gees get new ones. Everything depends on those winches working perfectly.
no no no!!!!!!!!!!!!
what size is your bin. I'll try to look it up at work. I work for GSI
Its a 24 foot, 219 inches to the eve. Im comming up with about 4200 pounds for a shipping weight but I dont know if that included the floor or not.
+Oliver66FarmBoy all of our shipping weights include the floor but that might just be us. Pound wise you should be good but if it was me "which it's not and just my opinion" I would use the smaller jack also just for the stability factor.
So are you planning to jack the bins up a back your trailer under to hual?
Taking them all the way apart.
+Oliver66FarmBoy oh I got ya, stay safe man
Anyone have Jack's for sale?
how many bushels do the vins hold?
About 15000
biger is better. i'd go with the power winches :)
Thats probably the plan.
Oliver66FarmBoy
i'd do it. :)
how old are you and we're do you live?
22 and in Michigan
i dont know if this will help but i found this but looking up shipping weight of grain bins on ag talk "A 21' 6 ring with 44" rings would be 5,500+/-. That is the bin shell only." and then on www.westeel.com Part #
Model Description
Approximate Weight
Capacity
Diameter
Eave Height
Overall Height 195701
Model 1504 Wide Corr Farm Bin
2400 lbs
2390 bu
15 ft
14.8 ft
18.9 ft
195701L
Model 1504 Wide Corr Farm Bin for Sealform
2300 lbs
2390 bu
15 ft
14.8 ft
18.9 ft
195702
Model 1505 Wide Corr Farm Bin
2900 lbs
2930 bu
15 ft
18.5 ft
22.6 ft
195702L
Model 1505 Wide Corr Farm Bin for Sealform
2800 lbs
2930 bu
15 ft
18.5 ft
22.6 ft
195703
Model 1506 Wide Corr Farm Bin
3500 lbs
3470 bu
15 ft
22.2 ft
26.2 ft
195703L
Model 1506 Wide Corr Farm Bin for Sealform
3400 lbs
3470 bu
15 ft
22.2 ft
26.2 ft
195704
Model 1507 Wide Corr Farm Bin
4200 lbs
4010 bu
15 ft
25.8 ft
29.9 ft
195704L
Model 1507 Wide Corr Farm Bin for Sealform
4100 lbs
4010 bu
15 ft
25.8 ft
29.9 ft
195706
Model 1804 Wide Corr Farm Bin
2800 lbs
3500 bu
18 ft
14.8 ft
19.8 ft
195706L
Model 1804 Wide Corr Farm Bin for Sealform
2700 lbs
3500 bu
18 ft
14.8 ft
19.8 ft
sorry for the long comment it didnt look that way when i copied it
Did you deduct the floor weight from the shipping weight...He aint lifting the floor
According to the both web sites that the weight of just the Shell That why I posted it.
I heard what he was asking for in his video I wouldn't of posted if it had the floor weight on there according to what I read the floor and Augers add about anther 2000 to 5000 pounds depending on the size of the bin.
Ide believe that, for what them floors are they are fecking heavy. Thanks for the link, that is a handy website.