THEORY: Boneknappers and Armourwings were the SAME dragon?
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- Two dragons that scavenge for armour - one for bones, one for metal. Could they be the same dragon?
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those poor dragons who find out their dead grandma is being worn by a boneknapper.
Joshua Fuhrman Oh Damn.
Just like Cubone
Oof imagine that in a literal setting
You donned your hauberk, grabbed your shield and sword, wore your helm, went onto war only to see a warrior wearing an armour of bone and you recognized your relatives bones since you saw your family grave was pillaged and it boils you in horro and rage causing you to charge the bastard out of fear and hatred
damian kaiserclaw you would probably be absolutely anhialated
@@telesto4099 a metal armor would probably resist a sword blow better than bones (if it's a war before guns were invented) or a bulletproof vest would stop better bullets and pieces of frag granade better than bones (if it is a modern war), so the bone-wearer is more likely to die than you
There are a lot of dragons that look similar, so similar they have to be related.
Sand Wraith, Woolly Howl, Night fury, and Light fury
Nadder and Scuttleclaw
Mishka and Bewilderbeast
*Gasp*
All hail mishka
Yup. What actually happens here is that the cgi artists are lazy and just edit the model of a dragon slightly and make it a new one but it’s fun to put them together.
Scuttleclaw is literally a cross between a Nadder and a Zippleback
god damn your good
I feel the monstrous nightmare was also in that family as the species look quite similar and the nightmares defence is it setting fire to body.However its armour isn't too weak but that may be a result of having their only defence as a bit of fire, and as some dragons are immune to firer it needed better defence in it's skin as any armour could ruin their fire ability. They also have the same sort of wings and it's egg starts with a golden colour and finishes with a green one in rise of berk.
If you want to go further back all three had a common ancestor, but Group A had stronger scales that were resistant to their ignitable gel for their fire armor, while Group B had weaker scales - probably due to some random mutation - and they kept burning/eroding their scales to the point where they were no longer as functional as normal dragon scales. Group A developed into what we know now as Monstrous Nightmares. Group B went on to be the ancestor to Boneknappers and Armor Wings. Group B lost their ability to produce gel, but still maintained its special skin/secretion. Group C is the Boneknappers and Group D is the Armor Wings. Group C developed a secretion to help keep the bones in place so they couldn't be knocked off as easily (or they lost the secretion altogether), and Group D developed the gel into a substance that was more magnetic, which developed into the magnetic like skin for Armor Wings.
swag wolf Theres also a theory that Boneknapper's skin is covered with liquid that sticks the bone armor together and Monstrous Nightmare has skin covered with flamable liquid, maybe these two things evolved from one?
swag wolf was about to comment something like this, but it seems you did it for me, thanks
swag wolf Maybe the MonstrousNightmare was a common ancestor of the ArmorWing and Boneknapper or all 3 had a common ancestor so maybe some monstrous nightmares lived in places with dragon bones or metal. Or the common ancestors lived in different place so some became wyverns/MonstrousNightmares and used fire as their armor and some lived in places with metal or bones. They all look almost the same the MonstrousNightmare has the horns and even the the nose hook. I just really like this sort of stuff it's based on Darwinian Evolution
the Armor Wing's breath is a welding torch, they weld it to their skin, or at least the other metal on their skin.
These two dragons just got a whole lot cooler.
Not the armorwing. That one got hotter.
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Yep
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"They probably shared an ancestor that had golden eggs..."
The golden goose?
Scrollreader
Golden chicken
Hesperornis?
Makes sense to me!
Golden dragon?
No golden dragon and golden goose mixed golden droose or golden googon
aaaaaand group C developed a biological armour of substance secreted from their skin hardening it to the level of other dragons and allowing themselves to be set ablaze (group C are monstrous Nightmares)
yea they look like the monstrous nighmares
Or the designing team got lazy 😂
I was just reading the comments so that I didn't post this same thing. That was the first thing I thought of while watching this video. Was pretty disappointed that he didn't point that out.
What is all three of them are closely related
they do look similar i'll give you that
in dragon Legends,in the book of dragons episode gobber says "changewings have venerable skin so some of them use objects they find as armour like the boneknapper"
I HAVE AN IDEA! the Monstrous Nightmare, Armour Wing, and Bone Knapper are all relating in what I call the Armour family The MN was the somewhat Original and It blew up in Fire but as the AW and BK moved to cooler environments and lack of Phosphorus in there areas they can't blow up but still Breath fire the AW just uses a different flame material. The reason why their skin is weak because it is Fire Proof not Sword proof so they realized as you said they could "weld " Metal to its Fire proof skin and The the BK as you said can't find metal and uses Large dead bones to Terrify it's victims. (this is to long)
I like that theory also AW and BK fire probably uses magnesium, the pyroclastic flow fire of the BK is just a more inefficient magnesium flame of the AW that heats up dust along with the flame. So, yes out of areas with phosphorus into areas with magnesium, this probably means the BK and AW in countered the deadly natter a lot more (since they use a magnesium flame) than the monstrous nightmare with the due to the spine, BK going stealth and intimation, and AW going armor wing going armor.
What about the Timberjack and Typhoomerang?? Do you think they could be related??
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I always use to think that the boneknapper was made out of bones, just bones🤔🤣
In the original books bonenappers were made from only bone
I thought they were the only dragon with a bony exoskeleton
I thought it was a dead dragon
xenomorph hunter same I thought it was sort of a zombie dragon
i though it was a skeleton armour-wing
do a theory about multiheaded dragons
Guillermo Hernandez Snaptrapper, Hidious Zippleback and Seashocker?
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@@pugg0wugg083 they ain’t dragons, they are aliens
@@CIO-Anims They are space Hydra
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I have a question. Just how powerful is the night fury in its alpha mode. On dragonapedia it says the regular night fury has an attack of 8 but toothless in his alpha form was able to pierce the defence of the bewilderbeast. the bewilderbeast has a defence of 50. If so does that also mean that all night furies are able to go into alpha mode.
Great question! I will definitely get to it (but I need to read a comic first).
~ Tim
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Can you tame a skrill
Chrstian Seymour all dragons can, as said in a book, which name I forget, but all dragons have this ability to make their attacks stronger, like a boost of adrenaline, but so far toothless is the only dragon to do it.
Scott Johnson screaming death is a titan wing whispering death
What's your favourite ability you've seen a dragon use so far? Mine would have to be the camouflage used by changewings.
~ Tim.
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Hello Future Me I have a question:
So if Boulder class dragons eat mostly rocks and not much meat, could this be possible that their bodies (or some body parts, eg. skin) are actually built out of stone and minerals?
Oh, and my favourite dragon ability is that Catastrophic Quaken can roll to smash everywhing on its way or do this during flight so it falls down and creates a shockwave
Hello Future Me, My favorite dragon ability is the signature banshee scream of the flightmare
The speed of a speed stinger because I want to be fast for once in my life
Call me old-fashioned, but there's just something so fantastically "dragon-y" about the Monstrous Nightmare's ability to set itself on fire!
Do the zippleback
On why do they have two heads
YAAAAAAAAAASSS!!!!
Spark and gas.Snap trapper would be better,as they do not rely on four heads.
Benjamin Martell it'll probably be mentioned in race to the edge because it's more forest like than the parts of berk we see and probably have tuff and ruff be lured in by it
It’s for 2 reasons. 1. They need two heads to make the spark and gas that they use to defend themselves. 2. They need two brains
KENTONO TUMULAK what about the 4 headed dragon thats mouth smells like chocolate
"Group A-rmourwing"
"Group B-oneknapper"
Hello again, Tim,
Yet another cool video. I agree with with the idea that both species had a common ancestor, but I have one problem with you theory: Chronology. Metallurgy did not exist on a large scale until around 4000 B.C., when methods of working with bronze became more widely known. Also, we have never seen dragons with the ability to smelt metal ores on their own. Therefore, this "armorwing-boneknapper ancestor" must have evolved into the current armorwing within the 5000 years between the time bronze became widespread and the time of Berk (roughly 1000 A.D.). While it is possible for the boneknapper and armorwing to have evolved from the same ancestor in this time frame, it is cutting it a bit close. Evolution normally takes place over tens of thousands of years just to make a few small changes. The change in fire type is not a small change. The time frame for a evolution would have to go as far back as 10,000 to 15,000 B.C. Thus, the question stands: how did the armorwing evolve?
The only way I can see this logically working is if the armorwing used non-metallic materials for armor until bronze and iron were discovered. Perhaps the armorwing once used a layer of pummice, a lightweight stone that melts well below the temperature of an oxygen-acetylene flame and can be found in Scandinavia's volcanically active regions. The melting point of pummice is surprisingly similar to bronze (990 and 950 C, respectively). Over time, mankind developed metallurgy, and the armorwings that came into contact with the bronze realized that their flame worked on that material too and used it. When iron was discovered, the armorwings saw that their flame was still effective enough to weld iron pieces together.
So . . . what do you think, Tim? Everyone else?
Again, loved the video, and good luck on exams!
Carlos T. Nice! I was wondering the same thing when it came to the Armourwings finding scrap metal around when metallurgy hadn't really been in effect yet 😄 I really like this explanation! Good on you for logically placing the timeline 😊
Hey Carlos! That's a really awesome theory as to how it fits into the metallurgy. Love it. There's a few historic discrepancies in the HTTYD world (for example, the Roman Empire still exists), so there's room for an earlier metallurgy, but your explanation is great. :)
~ Tim
Well the gronkles (forgot the spelling) can create gronkle iron. Most likely raided gronkle nests for the iron
Who else didnt read all this?? Eyyy. Just me? Ok.
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"I know what he did to me, HE STOLE MY BELT BUCKLE!!''
You: Why don’t dragons like the Bone Knapper!?
Dragon: AAAAAAHHHHHHH MY BONES! HELP ME!!!
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Yes Lord MISHKA is God!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the animators of HTTYD specifically mentioned that most dragons of the franchise are based on the main dragons, i.e. the Deadly Nadder, Monstrous Nightmare, Gronkle, Hideous Zippleback and Night Fury. This probably also means dragons based on one another could be related. The Boneknapper and the Armourwing are clearly based on the Monstrous Nightmare. This could also mean the three of them and all other dragons based on the Nightmare are related. More examples of dragons being clearly based on main dragons: Light Fury, Night Light and Sand Wraith are Night Fury based while Catostrophic Quakens and Hotburples are based on the Gronkle. There are also mixes, like Razorwhip body of a Monstrous Nightmare and it's head being based on a Zippleback while its abilities are of a Nadder.
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P.S: ALL HAIL MISHKA, OUR NEW OVERLORD
"All hail mishka" is what I say every day when I wake up in the morning
Good to see you know who our Supreme Leader is.
~ Tim
So no belief in god on this channel? That’s just WRONG
Halloween_Kitten #7 it’s a joke/proper religion
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Just so you know, us heathens appreciate you translating our measurements from yours!
Wolf of Mercury I was probably gonna spend the next 5 min on Google
Wolf of Mercury honestly the metric system is A LOT easier to understand compared to the "heathens" system. (Yes im american)
cool theory. I agree that a lot of that makes sense, though id like to note my own theory. Bones have existed ask lone as there have been vertebrate creatures. I think the Boneknapper might BE the common ancestor. (maybe making armor at all in similarities to an insect's exoskeleton or even like a rumble horn which looks like a beetle) Armorwings likely came about through evolution and adaptation centuries ago, when a family of boneknappers were taken or driven out of their home.(like the nest of speed stingers that developed webbed feet to cross water) The greener skin would have come about from their need to camoflauge in their new forested home and for a time, they probably still used dragon bones, but after Viking explorations introducing hardened metal in the form of weapons, which could break or cut through bones and probably used the bodies of killed dragons, taking the skeletons they so needed for armor. When that happened, they eventually used the scrap metal of old weapons laying around to make a new armor, developing the oxygen-acetylene flames eventually to better hold said armor together, and even fill in those gaping holes that the bones leave open. As you said, we don't even know what exactly a boneknapper's flames are made from, so it may not be that big of a change, and could have been formed from a change in diet from living in a different terrain.
Here is a simpler theory I'm sorry if it's not that good
What is the bone napped lived in a dragon grave yard and only had bones to make armour out of
And the armour wing only had metal to build armour out of
And the two dragons had to adapt to the invermients
I did some research and the bone napper also has weak pale green skin and it also lives in dragon grave yards
It seems that armorwings evolved from prehistoric bone knappers, taking advantage of metal made by humans. So it didn't have to be scary anymore so it became smaller and lost its roar
Spilled soup on my chair this morning... Toasty as the singed ground with a sleeping Night Fury on top.
For a second there I thought armor wing was a dragon from wings of fire.
I agree it's like a mudd wing and a sand wing or something like that
I always thought they were always the same dragon but with different interest of armor
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All my friends are heathens,
Take it slow.....
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The first time i saw these two dragons i saw the similarity
All Hail Mishka !!!
*enjoying the video and then suddenly is called a heathen* Hey! XD
Another fantastic analysis! Good luck on your exams! You'll do well, I'm sure!
Group A=Armourwing Group B=Boneknappe
Coincidence?????
Group C=Constrous Nightmare
in dragons race to the eage when hiccup disscovers the dragon eye and you first get to see what it does in the middle you see drago's symble the th fist
I think the Armorwing is half Boneknapper and half Monstrous Nightmare, even though the Boneknapper lives alone. it could have been the reason cuz the facial features of the Armorwing, to me, have some of the same facial features as the Monstrous Nightmare
Thats true the bone napper and armerwing have the same mold as the nightmare
Commander Toughclaws I believe all three are deffintly the same Genus if not the same Species.
What if the armour wing is just a hippie,
Armour wing: Ya I'm original, I'm my own dragon
MISHKA is cute
Shirou Emiya That's just what they want you to think. After they have you in their cute little paws they crush you and then dominate you and your entire world! That's why I love cats!
Thanks for another video ! ❤
Wooh! Thanks for watching
Could you make a video where you talk about the Red death
Nobody this video popping up on my recommendation videos 3 years later and me missing these videos and Mishka being alive and me crying a little bit
So many heathen conversions 😂 I apologize for us Americans and our defiant exploits. We just want to be different, I guess ^.^
Also, good luck on your exams! I took an AP World History exam about a week ago and it was a nightmare. Regular class exams are coming up in a few weeks, so I understand your stress ❤️ Keep working hard. And drink lots of tea. Tea is fantastic.
we Americans want to be different .
Hahaha I just like to make fun of you guys a little bit ;) You'll come around to the metric system soon enough. And thanks! It's only mid-years, so it won't be as stressful as my end of years in November. Tea IS fantastic.
~ Tim
Briana Allbright sometime during the 1900's some congress officials said since most of the world was using the metric system and that it would be potentially cause the other methods of measurements to be forgotten in the future so they voted on keeping it intact so the method wouldn't die out. I remember hearing about this in my history class watching a documentary.
We heathens partly like that being applied to the Chief if you plz sir Lol but it stings that you used it 3 times.
why is degrees F higher than degrees C? IK England was founded before USA so I guess C came first. it makes the boiling 30C look like a freezing -2C.
Um... in the short film the bone knapper was introduced in it was revealed that it also needed its armor so that it could roar
Could they be the same dragon only different genders
How would they reproduce then?
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We saw female boneknappers at the end of Legend of the Boneknapper Dragon and they have bones, not armor
I feel like the Monstrous nightmare is an even more distant relative of these dragons.
My dads birthday is tomorrow. Not asking for likes but...eh.
Mr DumDum same lol
your dad's birthday, this is really the worst likes scavenging, it's not even your own birthday
I never thought I would be interested in the lore of how to train your dragon
I really think you should have that as a shirt to the mishka and toothess fans ALL HAIL MISHKA
I really appreciate him putting in Fahrenheit too
plz do a draw my life like or comment if you agree
Hmmm... should I?
~ Tim
yep
Emma Bainbridge yep, he should
Hello Future Me idk
Hello Future Me yes plz I'm a big fan plz out me comment on the screen when you do it
The Thunderdrum and its abilities are one of my favorites.
Could the night fury have a tighten wing form ppppllllllzzzz do a video on it
I think you mean Titan wing... not tighten wing
I think that the alpha toothless form is the titan wing of nightfurys since toothless activated this mode before he was the alpha since he used it while fighting the alpha that makes it a titan not an alpha form
Good luck in your exams :). I'm doing my mock exams next week!
Good luck!
~ Tim
Stop calling Americans heathens hello future me
He's just trying to joke around. I think it's funny (and yes i'm american).
the bonaper and the armorwing are both in the mystery class
Carter Wheeless I'm Canadian.
Carter Wheeless i think its funny, i use the Metric System all the time and my dad yells at me, that darn "heathen"
right it’s disrespectful
"What did the boneknapper ever do to you?!"
Me: kill them...eat them...use their bones as armor. I'm just rolling out some possibilities.
Perhaps the boneknapper developed it's "boneness" to scare other dragons and be able to hide (as if the dragon were actually dead), and the armourwing used it's environment to hide and make it stronger instead. Both of these developments could be the result of the softer skin.
I love the changewing as well. Am i the only one that is obsessed with the httyd soundtrack? 😂 I love watching your httyd vids :P
It seems more likely they were all bone-armor users until humans and our metal popped up.
Future, you have helped me learn what I know today about How to train your dragon
They both look like the monsterous nightmare
A nice way of showing how a loss of function mutation in flame heat (reduced it) forces the surviving individuals to be better adapted by developing/accumulating fear tactic mutations. Well, at least one way of looking into it
The Monstrous Nightmare is also a part of this. All 3 started off as a single group. They got separated and evolved to this;
Group A developed a burning flame that could burn metal, so it decided metal would be a good form of defence.
Group B stumbled across bones and thought that bones would be a good form of protection. As it’s a weak wall of defence but a wall nonetheless.
Group C had neither of those things, left with just its own body and abilities. It chose to focus fully on its own firepower, to the point it would ignite itself to keep others away. Because no one human or dragon would run straight into a wall of fire.
Perhaps the green coloration of the Titan armorwing could be oxidizing impurities in the metal dyeing the skin and the boneknapper is the red-orange color is the normal color gained through Titan growth due to not having metal interactions
You forgot the fact that the boneknapper must have a complete bone armor to have a roar while the armor wing doesn't.
My favorite Dragon ability is either the Skrills ability to store and shoot lightning, or the Night Fury's ability to dive bomb at incredible speed.
I always thought that the armorwing was a monstrous nightmare that was weakened and lost all its scales.
armourwings and monstrous nightmares both must be realted. They look so darn alike!
Other dragons are feightened of the bone Knapper because they don't want their bones stolen when they die
My favourite is the tale attack used by the triple strick!!
they're scared of the bone nappers because they might think that's the end of there life.
All hail mishka and you are calling me a heathen MICROAGGRESION
his snow fury thing kind of came true
Good luck on your exams, my brother is starting his GCSEs now so that's pretty cool I guess, also don't worry if you don't upload as often we don't mind.
that one dragon: he stole my grandmas rib cage
boneknapper: i need the armor though
That would also explain why the Boneknappers developed that scream and became bigger. That way they are even more terrifying
6:38 “I really doubt the Boneknappers are just goin through a goth phase.” LOL! So funny!
Add on: 6:55 “I mean all it’s doing is wearing dead dragons as fashion accessories!”
I would’ve thought of the armorwing as more of a subspecies of boneknapper that evolved to take advantage of scrap metal taken from human settlements due to being better than bone
I like the Boneknappers they are adorable as newly hatched baby dragons. I should know I have trained Boneknappers in the Minecraft How To Train Your Dragon mod and some payed eggs. I went to get bones to get them armor. They were adorable. I used Bewilder beast bones I found.
if you look at the bone napper and armourwings feet you can see at the knee they both have spikes and at the heals
2 years late but yeah I saw that too
I have a feeling the softer skin would have been a result of them artificially armoring themselves rather than the reverse.
Holy crap, you're actually on Wattpad? I'd be sure to check out your account even though your books are not typically my style.
Changewings are cool to tim, and also I love your videos so I liked and subscribed to this video
The Armor wing kind of looks like a monstrous nightmare
Also a very good theory as to why the dragons don’t come to close to the boneknapper is that the boneknapper would kill other dragons for bones and they just wouldn’t want to die so they stayed away.
They are literally the same dragon: a changewing, just in different environments. A changewing around bones armors itself with bones, then changes its skin to grey. Around scrap metal, it armours itself with the metal, then puts its skin to the default color, green, because it doesn't need to camouflage with its skin seeing as the metal is a give away
I'm almost 13 and I still love this
I think that the BoneKnapper grew its own bones out of its skin into armor.
i would like to add that bones would be available as long as things die, while scrap metal would be heavily reliant on humans
Why do they look like a monstrous nightmare?
perhaps, instead of fear, its stealth... they can disguise as dead dragons, and explains why the chart says he has a higher stealth
I turn invisible when people aren't looking
If you look closely at the skin under the bone on that episode on that Netflix show and the episode was called “Legend of the boneknapper” you can see it has green skin like the armourwing?
The ability to share a piece of their heart with another...... wait a minute that's dragon heart
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
I was doing my hair a while ago when I remembered this. Then I started screaming. I think my family heard me yell this. I screamed "ALL HAIL MISHKA!!!!!" My grandpa asked me if I was Ok.
also i like that they also have the same pair of horns, one horn shoter than the other:))
My theory is that one time there was a little nightmare that stopped growing and he and other nightmare had babies,some of them used bones as armor and others,generation to generation,used metal.
possibly the armor wings took advantage of vikings discovering metal and realized that it made better armor
Maybe when a bonenapper loses all of its bones it hunts for pieces of metal making it a armourwing
To me this was obvious, I casually brought it up in a conversation and he did not believe me... I showed him this video and he felt dumb. Thank you for giving me the look on his face.
The Boneknaper toy even lets you take of the armor showing you the same color as the Armorwing.