Tony Soprano is no Gary Cooper!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2023
- Tony Soprano often mentioned that he greatly admired Gary Cooper, the strong and silent type, but Tony Soprano was no Gary Cooper.
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This video contains spoilers from the HBO hit series The Sopranos.
This episode was narrated and produced by Geoffrey Ciani (aka - Rummy).
This episode was written by Geoffrey Ciani and Christian Twiste.
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Tony Soprano is no Gary Cooper!
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Bobby is like Gary Cooper, the strong silent type. That's why Tony resented and teased him.
That's a great call
He was the strong silent type ... once Tony shoved dat' quotations book up his ass
He’s even a good father and husband, is Bobby. Still kind of an idiot and susceptible to lowest-common-denominator American prejudices/racism, but generally a good guy.
Honestly, the most shocking and surprising thing to me in the entire series is that the lake house fight between Tony and Bobby didn’t end up differently- I.e. with Bobby dead. I get it, kids, married to Janice, almost necessary for Tony to keep around, but given Tony’s rage and pride…. I’m still amazed by it
@@good-questions tony was in his darkest phase then, too. His mother thru & thru with toxicity, with father’s vices. Good point
Furio was more like Gary Cooper than Tony.
Definitely! But they ultimately turned his character into a sniveling pussy too! He must have pissed the writers off? For them to do his character like they did! Went from a total badass to a straight simp who cried over a women he never so much as kissed!
Even then he shows that the strong silent type is actually a very lonely existence
I think to that scene where both Tony and Furio are making dinner alone. Tony reheats pasta qnd drinks it with milk meanwhile Furio makes a whole meal from scratch and pairs it with a wine. Furio takes initiative and puts in effort while Tony dines on other people's hard work
But despite their differences both characters are in the same position, in their empty houses feeling deeply alone. Great storytelling
thats why Carmela wanted his braciole
@@SoftDrinksOfChoice 🤣
Tony was more like Gravy Coopuh, eh eh eh
I suspect Gary Cooper might even have been a Varsity athlete.
AJ get your coat
He certainly had the makings of one.
Small hands. That was his problem
I will never understand how anyone could view Tony as the strong silent type or even a symbol of masculinity.
Still makes more sense than people looking up to Patrick Bateman.
@@13jonashto be fair you can say they’re both losers.
@@kaneslives true.
@@kaneslivesdefinitely. Losers within their own rights
He was strong enough just not silent and a whiny insecure bitch at times lol
To be fair Tony never said he was The strong silent type, he wanted to be the strong silent type but didn't know that in order to be the strong silent you need to control your emotions and not allow your emotions control you.
All I know is he never had the makings of a Gary Cooper.
Very good 😅
Of a varsity Gary Cooper
@@DMAGAEscober there is no JV Gary Cooper.
He was gay, Gary Cooper?
It's always hotheads who admire "the strong, silent type." What they mean is that they want OTHERS to be strong and silent and endure quietly while they personally throw tantrums over the slightest little thing.
Exactly! He might want that for himself too, but he has no idea how to even start. 😂
"NOW WHO CAME IN HERE AND ATE MY SHIT!"
Paulie's (silent, gestural) response is priceless. That's the punchline to that exchange.
Suddenly Paulie (of all people) is the rational, collected one of the two.
Yet again, the genius of the show on display in a totally inconsequential five second comedic beat.
I mean, I'd also be highly fuckin outraged if someone actually ate my literal shit
The funnier part that didnt show is that christopher immediatly exited the room when tpny entered since he probably ate it and knows whats coming
Tony Soprano ‘romantized’ old Hollywood actors and movies. Your assessment of Tony as a ‘complainer extroidineer’ was spot on. The Sopranos remains my favorite TV drama of all time.👏👏
i mean imagine being raised by Livia😭
When Tony was talking to Beansie in Remember When, he mentioned that Paulie was like Gary Cooper when he was growing up and that he had changed into someone who never shut up about anything only to Beansie remind him that he was also like that when he was younger. I think one of the reasons why Tony was always critical of Paulie and got more annoyed at him as time went on was because he couldn't live up to the standards young Tony set up for him.
Very interesting point.
Paulie's mannerisms are very much inspired by James Cagney's, so he's not that far from idealizing someone and trying to embody him.
I seriously can't believe I didn't notice this about the show!
I always thought it was ironic because Cooper always played characters who were in touch with their emotions. Sure, he wasn't blubbering all over the place but he knew when to express himself. Take for example, High Noon, he spends the majority of that movie seeking out help but getting turned down. He gets desperate. Again, you don't see him breaking down or anything, he keeps his emotions bottled up but you see he's upset and its tearing apart especially since its suppose to be the happiest day of his life - his wedding day!
Just imagine how boring the series would have been if Gary Cooper played the part of Tony Soprano
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RIP James Gandolfini
I wonder if he was a Twin Peaks fan.
“The gabbagoul you like is coming back in style.”
May he be at peace.
The point is, Gary Cooper the real Gary Cooper or anybody named Cooper, never suffered like the Italians!
He was gay, Gary Cooper?
@@ankh_kNO! Are you even listening to me, Volition!!?!!
this video literally captures all the ironic comedic essence that makes the sopranos so special to watch. thanks bro💯!
Thank you very much. Cheers!
Out of all the characters in The Sopranos, Furio really represents the strong silent type, Gary Cooper.
“Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon” is the lowest form of film analysis.
Brilliant! :)
I think the closest in Tony’s circle to a Gary cooper type may have been furio
And furio wound up being disgusted by his indulgence and gluttony almost killed him and almost slept w his wife
What would Gary cooper think of Tony soprano?
Tony Soprano never had the makings of a varsity athlete
WHAT DID I JUST SAY?! AJ get your coat
Every time I hear your voice, I think of this guy named Rummy that makes the best boxing videos.
Same guy bro lol
I watched this show because of these videos, this is the first one I get to watch actually in the loop 🙏
Most people we look up to, have attributes we recognize as ourselves not having, but wish we did. That's why we look up to them, otherwise I could look up to my own attributes.
This is all true but what you're missing is he brought this up in episode one. I got it, on good authority, in quasimodo's writings no less, that prior to the series, Tony Soprano was the spitting image, both literally and figuratively, of Gary Cooper. Its just once that Melfi got him talking about his feelings, you couldn't shut him up!
And now it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that
Tony's like a weeb when he starts talk when he starts talking about Gary Cooper. Like those kids in middle school who start believing their Goku or Naruto.
Yeah.. and?
@@hans5500 its weird and cringe
@@hans5500it shows how unhinged they are, totally disconnected from reality
The way he says "the shtrong silent tyPe"
Gary Cooper had the makings of a varsity football player.
He was gay, Tony Cooper?
But he was dreaming of that lo mein all the f**k the way over there!🤬
No one could keep their cool in that situation... not even The Great Gary Cooper !
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I think when Tony was playing the Bad Ass Killer and Dispensing Mafia Justice He was closest to someone like Gary Cooper. But in his everyday Life you're absolutely Correct. He was always The First to start Complaining about things and Because He was the Boss or The Breadwinner People just let Him do it.
Tony developed a habit of inflicting fear of him on others
basiclly a bully
when mentioned “Tony didn’t have the best luck with Chinese food” don’t know why but I was dying inside 😂
lol i still think there should've been a scene where Melfi starts renting and watching Gary Cooper movies to understand what Tony is talking about!
14:24 gets me every damn time
The look on Carmelas face is priceless
I love Tony more as I get older, I adore what a repellent dirtbag he is
Thank you for actually analyzing his character. Most of these types of videos just summarize his actions and events.
Thanks for the entertaining content Johnny Knoxville.
"Melfi didn't exactly have to twist his arm to get him going."
Hhahaahhahaahah!!
This is a great video, and very very funny! Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you very much.
Svetlana was the strong silent type. She never let the lack of a leg affect her life. Probably why Tony favored her.
She was a strong and independent Woman.
@@josephsharp5678 The "strong and independent woman" is a modern trope and archetype and most of the time, despite its name, it's portrayal is almost identical to Tony, in that both are fundamentally insecure and bitter narcissists with a chip on their shoulders. While most of them are frustrated and emotionally fragile over trivial nonsense a woman like Svetlana who was dealt carte blanche for potential resentment and self-victimization chooses the opposite instead and goes through life with stoicism and peace. As such I'd say that the "strong and independent woman" is to Svetlana what Tony Soprano is to Gary Cooper.
@@GeneralProfessor you don’t have to be “silent” to be a strong independent woman
@@GeneralProfessorhe's just claiming Svetlana is an actual strong independent woman, unlike the Hollywood archetype under the same same
Where has this channel been ALL MY LIFE❤❤❤
Thanks for your work, great video and editing
Much appreciated!
Just finished rewatching it.🤘😆🤘
Don't stop.... BELIEEEEEVEN
Great video!
Tony like most of us wished he was as tough as the greatest generation was.
But, like all of us we fall short of it.
Tony's used to his extreme self-centeredness being facilitated by others. He dislikes other people's feelings
because they try to appeal to his empathy, which is severely lacking. This is both the underlying
cause and the accelerant of his response; his lack in this regard makes him bad at it and exposing
his emotional underdevelopment makes him angry at people (unwittingly) confronting him with it. He punishes them and many people take that to heart.
His own feelings are generally mixed in with demands of/pressure on others; he can't just experience an emotion, it has to be put to use (generally to serve himself).
It took Melfi a long time before realizing this; in a way she was Tony's emotional hostage. Their dynamic (or rather Tony's aggressiveness mixed with his child-like dependence) made her feel responsible in a way that compromised her own interests, the opposite of what Tony did on a regular basis.
It’s all linked to gabagool 😂🍖
This is my favorite show in the World. My husband says, he sees why. I don't have power or a crew. Thank you for all you do.
That super dooper threw me off 😂
🤣 i was searching for puttin' on the ritz to hear that part of the song when it played in your video. ❤
"He was gay, Gary Cooper?"
NO!
Robert Mitchum had died recently when they filmed the scene when Janice swatted the mosquito, hence Tony's joke about him being reincarnated. But the Annette Bening connection is very insightful, well spotted.
First of all - glad to see you’re still making videos. I’m wondering if, now that you’ve gotten some time + distance from The Return, if you’re willing to revisit some of your theories and make any additions, subtractions, addendums… those videos were *tight.*
Second of all - this is a great point about the irony of Tony’s character and how audiences can be deceived. I think there are a lot of people who (consciously or unconsciously) think of Tony as exemplifying the “strong, silent type” simply because he’s a powerful man who is in the habit of getting what he wants. It’s crazy how willing people are to heap praise on men who display these qualities. Mindless!
The show-runners were too successful in making Tony likable - the big sin of the Sopranos. If you like Tony too much your swooning may distract you from some of the finer points of the character, like the one WLW makes here.
I think he's fascinating but not really likable. He's funny sometimes in a "because it's not real" kinda way but he's certainly no Dale Cooper, now he is the king of "likable".
Twin Peaks is the greatest.
Dale is incredibly likable, but there’s a lot of dark and weird shit going on with him, too. Especially 2nd season.
I'm actually almost dead in the middle of a complete Twin Peaks review. I'm getting towards the end of S2, and hope to have a Peaks video done in the next week or two. Once I finish S2 and get through FWWM and The Return, I'm planning to do something along the lines of exactly what you're suggesting here.
Great breakdown
Tony is more of a Tyrant, he is a villain really. But a competent mobster, and nobody can deny the dude is a fighter, corageous and many times were other mobsters would hide behind thugs to do their violent biddings, Tony would do it himself. He had guts.
I stumbled on here by accident, it took me a minute, Rummy's corner! Boxing and the Sopranos, nice!
Gary Cooper was a real come behind kind of guy.
Why tf my fav boxing youtuber here all of a sudden
I didn't see it the way that Tony saw himself as Gary Cooper. He wanted to be like him and saw attributes in Gary that he himself lacked. That's why he looks up to him.
This is Rummy from Rummy's corner! Good to see you have two great interests!
This is a bad analysis, tony admired gary cooper, but not because he thought of himsef as gary cooper, but because he desparately wanted to be like him. He felt inferior because he wasnt like him, and needed therapy to work through his feelings. He knows he isnt like him, and its a source of self hatred for him.
They also mistook him not wanting to talk to a therapist at first as 'him wanting to be the strong and silent type' and not him being hesitant to open his real feelings to what is essentially a stranger.
Tony loved Gary Cooper like a brother-in-law.
Peace! Wow 😮 Lynch…😆😎Bergen County’s Finest deciphering Tony Soprano..from Tenafly to Westwood, NJ…bravo..
Take a shot everytime he says . Tony Soprano was no Gary
Cooper
TOOOOONY'S COOOOORNERRRR
Would be an awesome intro lol
Hello, great video. I wanted to ask something. How do you think a showdown between Tony Soprano and Daniel Plainview would go? I mean, in a showdown of words. And while we are at it, in a no holds barred street fight?
Does this guy also do Rummy’s Corner boxing channel?
ye
I found Rummy's Corner much later than this channel. Man's got a great voice I'd listen to him talk about anything
He knows shit about boxing
Keep making Sopranos videos!
He never had the makings of a Gary Cooper.
What hesch said is true, sleep always helps.
You forgot about when tony flipped out about the imported provolone
It's such a pity that there aren't TV shows like these to analyze anymore. And if they exist, I can't find them 😂
truly
Breaking Bad
@@thereisnosanctuary6184 Like I didn't watch it ahah
@@thereisnosanctuary6184Sopranos came in 1999-2007 and Breaking Bad 2008-2012, so the former is 16 years old and latter 11yo.
His outbursts are funny as fuck
@LYNCH... something that's bothering me on my 67th watch thru. The last few episodes, Tony gives the Phil hit to Bobby, the one that was botched, but u turn around and Paulie and patsy are handling it. What's up with that?
Thank you for this video, Patsi fucking Parisi over here
Yo you gotta be Rummy right? Love your voice
The never ending attempts at avoiding feelings. Can't be done. There are better ways then avoidance.
Tony once called Paulie “Gary Cooper” and I liked to think when he found out Paulie was always a talkative person that’s when he realized his expectations were tampered, and started questioning about where the Gary Cooper like people are.
It’s so funny watching the show while reminding yourself Tony thinks he’s a silent type
Rumy?! You have another channel?
Rummy's Corner has a Sopranos channel???
Mind = Blown!
Tony never had the makings of gary cooper
If it wasn't for David Chase's restraint in not hamfisting storytelling, I would imagine that child Tony was put in front of a television by Liv. He was raised by Gary Cooper and Robert Mitchum just as AJ sought guidance from the Godfather in response to Junior with Tony and whatever happened there.
Tony at that enlightened stage when he tells AJ it was just a movie, I would like to think that Tony was not only telling AJ to grow up but himself as well. But by the time Tony hit the enlightenment stage in his arc, he already set everyone to the mindset of dealing with the Tony from the past and so he had to respond like that. To him, he had no choice but to relapse into something worse as the series was coming to a close.
Why the writing on the Sopranos was so good. Irritability, frustration, and anger outbursts are common symptoms of depression.
Six degrees of separation with Kevin Bacon
Yet another funny and intelligent analysis. I need to watch High Noon again, again.
He was Tony Soprano, Gary Cooper?
He wasn't Michael Corleone either.
You know who was the strong silent type? My girl Svetlana 😍
The black cop, that wrote Tony up for speeding never said a word, but did his job. Never took the baiting.
Even when he got suspended from his job and TS taunted him at the garden center. Not a word.
What really irked T, was when he tried to tip the guy....he looked right at Tony's eyes and walked away.
Officer Leon Wilmore was the strong silent type.
Great point!
@@WowLynchWow
Just curious.
That profile pic, is that one of the characters from "Eraserhead"?
If memory serves, that girl came out on stage to do a dance, in a dream sequence.
@@robertlee4172That is correct. The Lady in the Radiator.
@@WowLynchWow
Friggin' creepy. I hadn't seen that movie since the 90s. I have it on VHS, but it's in storage at my brother's house.
Thanks for the reminder.
Ecclesiastes 7-10 "Do not say, “Why were the old days better than these?” For it is not wise to ask such questions."
Tony possessed every single flaw in human character. His lack of impulse control and his hypocrisy were the worst though.
3:25 no way you just said that 😭 that's like an extremely surface level explanation I feel you could only come to if that was the only scene in the show you watched. It wasn't even abt the horse it was very clearly because of Tracee and the horse just gave him an excuse to do what he needed to away from prying eyes/reminder of the type of person the bald freak was and what he'd done- I agree with the rest of the vid though 👍
What I got from this was a couple of three things....😂. 1.) James and Tony and myself are Virgos. Both our birthday's are Sept. 18th. Happy Birthday James. B.) We are both Napolitano Italian descendants. 3.) We have BPD tendencies, get rattled easily, are often quite moody f#cks. Especially when it comes to food and sex. 😅
Dude, we didn’t need 17 minutes of video to agree with you that he’s no Gary cooper. 😂😂
But there were some good scenes you showed!! 👍🏽
The smoke turkey and orange juice was a fair trigger. Man out earning all day you deserve the small concessions
I’m currently showing the Sopranos to my partner for the first time, and the fact that they are unable to see Tony for who he is is actually astounding. Maybe it’s that we’re only on season three but I feel like by this point they should be seeing it. I was wondering how long it took you guys to realize how bad Tony was?
I recognized who he was when he ran over a guy in the first episode
Hindsight is always 20/20. Make him watch it again from the beginning after finishing it. It's all there, plus it's the best dark comedy ever
Wow,
Wow Lynch Wow!,
Wow!
To be fair, I'd bitch about MY mother, too, if I were Tony Soprano.
He never had the makings of a Gary Cooper
Tony Soprano vs Tyson Fury we want a fight preview!
You sound like you should be narrating Storage Wars lol
You know who Gary Cooper is? He is Tony Soprano's Shadow. Tony is a puer aeternus that is overwhelmed by a devouring mother. He romanticises and fantasises about a man of action like Gary Cooper but he himself never converts this dream into a reality. The qualities he sees in Gary Cooper he actively resents and becomes jealous of in figures like Furio and Bobby.
Instead he throws temper tantrums and addles himself with food, alcohol, drugs and women. A Don Juan who has no routine and discipline and cannot commit to something wholeheartedly.