DIRT CHEAP GT3582 TURBOS-PUT TO THE TEST! ($125 LS BOOST)
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- TWIN, LOW BUCK, MAX SPEEDING GT3582 TURBOS, DO THEY WORK? CAN A $125 TURBO REALLY WORK? DO THEY EVEN MAKE BOOST? WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU COMBINE TWO OF THEM-CAN YOU REALLY BOOST YOUR JUNKYARD LS WITH $250 WORTH OF TURBOS? CHECK OUT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE ADDED A PAIR OF $125 GT3582 TURBOS FROM MAX SPEEDING RODS www.maxpeedingrods.com/ TO OUR MILD 4.8L LS MOTOR. WE RAN THE BOOST UP TO OVER 14 PSI, BUT THE LITTLE TURBOS WORKED VERY WELL. CHECK OUT HOW MUCH POWER WE MADE AND IF THERE WAS MORE LEFT. IT'S ALL HERE. COUPON CODE HERE- 15% OFF www.maxpeedingrods.com/catego... Coupon code: Richard--get 15% discount for all orders
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we put 2 of these ebay gt35s on a 5.3 and made 855whp at 30 psi of boost. 1000 torque at 4000rpm on single digit timing lol
Thats enough out of the maple syrup gallery.
Kyle watches Richard?
What trans mods are you running to accommodate that power?
@@erikdale9145, dyno ain't got no trans...
Hey brother get them borders opened up. Hopefully you get them opened in time to come out to Seattle for the no prep if they still come here and it doesn't get canceled.
How does this channel not have 5 million subscribers. Richard... I look forward to your videos everyday! You inspire me to build engines!
Just add a sexy girl in skimpy close and subscribers will double.
Love that the channel has gained so much momentum, awesome stuff. 👍
Richard you are the man!!! Could you please do a test On different inlet size turbos and how they spool up at at different rpms? That would be an awesome test!
Brand name turbo companies punching the wall right now
At about 4:40, you say your lazy...umm I completely disagree! You are a really hard worker and have amazing hustle 💪🏻 keep pumping out the videos along with the power numbers 🤘🏻
Awesome stuff Richard, I’ve been Using the Gt3582R turbo for close to a decade, BTW there are Many Compressor wheel trims even when called Gt3582, Run hard on B20A, B20B, F20c, K20Z, and even LRR 3.7 in-line 5, with water and oil cooled setup. Theese turbos love HEAT, A simple back to back Run with Operating temp heat in the Commpressor side will do wonders. On the street or track, Brake boosting/ two step takes care of most Lag on smaller Displacements, But I have always Loved the feeling of A bigger Turbo Rather than a Big torque smaller turbo that runs out of breath at high RPM. I run my engines to 7k to 10k and need the high rpm flow. Amazing work Richard!!! I’ve even ran back to back comparison with Holset HX35w turbos and they seem to be similar as long as the Hot side AR is closely matched to engine displacement and RPM requirements. Slant 6 with a single Gt35/HX35 would be Amazing!!!
WE SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN GETTING TEMP TO THE TURBO BEFORE THE DYNO PULL
@@richardholdener1727 Right On!!! 🔥🔥🔥Turbos Love turning kinetic energy into Heat/Power that’s the part that I love, YOU, get to see Measurable Data/Graphs to the things we get exited and wonder about on the street/track. The way I now Drive is Completely Dependent on Engine Load/Heat/ Boost and again Heat/Temps, it’s all Controlling Energy/Heat 🔥over time. ⏰Seting the car up for the Next Turn and maximizing Boost response. Amazing work Richard 👍🏽🛠⚙️
Are you familiar with appropriate turbos to use on 3.0L V6? What about Inline 2.4 or 2.5?
Single gt35 works well for this
As usual I really enjoy watching your videos,I don't know why everyone doesn't give you a thumbs up. Keep up the great work.
Always legitimate work done with good excitement
Great video. Vey interesting. Been looking at those turbos for a long time. Wondering about the reliability and quality over time. The end results are amazing though!
If you've got the fab skills, fab yourself a kit and file them rings.
Awesome video I'm now considering these over twin gt45's I really want to see what they do on a 6.0
Me too for my SBC 350
Ive got one of these waiting for a 3800 right now!!! Can't wait to see the recipe!!!
Hey Rich your not lazy! You are a beast. Please revisit this test with a 5.3 with stock heads, and just a cam/springs upgrade something in the .6teens or twenties and of course ring gap and slowly increase boost. I know you stated you were crunched for time but I think there's alot left on the table. This doesn't warrant expensive CNC ported heads because let's face it if a guy is going to put forged internals, a fancy Lsxr intake, and CNC'd heads he ain't gonna buy $120 turbos. Anyway keep up the great work!
this was a 4.8l with stock 706 heads (not ported)
now you got me. I'm gonna do the twins on my old 89foxbody. Need some info on where do I find the 4bolt exhaust adapters to vbands and what Waste gate and blowoff's do I need for a budget build. I'm 5.3truck motor ring gapped, reground stock cam to SS2 specs by Delta cams. Is twins a cheaper\easier build than a GT45 single? I had some stock manifolds modded today with 2.5" vbands so I'm ready to go either way. foxbody beater to the front.....love the channel
Great video Richard! When possible, please include more data like backpressure. Thank you.
Would be interesting to see these turbos maxed out
That’s awesome that you organized the videos, there were a lot of them in there, getting confusing
Another sweet Vid bro. Keep them coming and ill keep smashing the thumbs up!
Richard what happens when you pull the LSA down to 108 or so like you would the na small blocks. I think big power with heads like the 823 I spent hours making sbc heads flow. I was never able to get 315 at 28 .I want to build an na 6.0 and see what happens.
Good lord man! About how much do you think it would cost to get the plumbing done with an intercooler or is there a kit for a 302 Ford? Thanks for the video, I am very interested in this... Is there any turbo lag?
Have you done any testing on the Ebay 7875 billet wheel? I am installing one in place of an Ebay GT45. Hoping the 7875 spools a little quicker. We also have a Ebay 7875 on a gen 4 5.3, and it works awesome!
LOL - the $250 is a bit of a misnomer - that is just the turbos - you need alot of other stuff to really get those 2 turbos connected up. How about a real cost/parts list? Great video.
Hey Richard. Did you Possibly get a Back Pressure reading on this one?
Amazing Richard, which is the A/R in the hot side? and, do you have numbers of backpressure at the max psi?
How reliable are they? I'm thinking about a cheap twin turbo setup on my daily 3.6L HFV6, I definitely will be using gt3582, just should I get these, or spend up and get genuine garrett?
Richard, we appreciate you brother 💯💯💯👌🏿
Do the same test, just using ONE TURBO.
And compare the graphic output of single turbo VS dual.
Also use back press gauge on all turbo runs.
Thanks for all your hard work 👷.
I've got problems with my 2016 f150 3.5L ecoboost tubors. I see replacement turbos on ebay. Just wondering if there worth getting? I not looking for adding power just to be able to use my truck in normal operations.
We ran two on the Nova. Made over 900 whp. They do not hold up through. They wear out very quickly.
Out of curiosity how would 2 of these perform on an international 6.9 idi
@richard still waiting on more L83 videos I know your busy. But I think a single turbo would be more practical for most people, also a how to add boost to a 5.3 video would be cool. 😎
I have a pair of these exact turbos on a 6.0 swapped 66 Mustang. Thanks for the review!
How did they hold up? That's been my biggest question. I have seen some guys have some really good luck with cheap Chinese turbos on Honda's etc, seen a few bad ones too, but def way more good than bad, so I had no doubt these would perform relatively well, and def make power on his 4.8, but wondering the whole time, how long will they last? I see you posted this comment 3 years ago, are you still running these? If not, how long did they last? I mean at that price, who cares really I guess, buy a new one and swap them out every summer if need be I guess🤷🤣 but genuinely curious how long they held up for ya? I might go this route on my 94 Sn95 5.0🤔
@@steviefresh4602 I still have them on the car, and still have the spare on a shelf in the shop because they have not failed yet. I even did a Power Tour with that car last summer.
@@shawnpoole9649 haha hell yeah man!!! Fuckin awesome!!
Slant 6!!!!!! When are we going to see it. The slant community is waiting. Great video
Can you twin charge that 4.8 with the (not so) cheap supercharger and the cheap turbo?
To me cheap turbos are not about if they can make power...it's will the seals hold? Will they wear so quickly or last? 30 pounds might perform but breaking seals is the issue.
Really stoked to see one of those on the slant 6. It wont be a high spinning motor with that non-crossflow head and 4" stroke, but lord almighty the torque will be magnificent!
I agree I'm building a 300 ford inline 6 with one of gt3582s i would really like to get it finished one of these days
@@davidhearne9383did ya ever get around to finishing this?
I have had it in the back of my mind for a long time now, that an old Ford slant 6, beefed up a bit and a bunch of boost would probably be madness!!😅 I'm sure it's been done before, but don't believe I have ever seen it, and with that said, down the rabbit hole I go I guess!! 😂
@@steviefresh4602 not yet still sitting on the engine stand
I plan on putting these on a 355 sbc hopefully I get good results
I am going to try one of these on my stock 2007 dod 5.3 for towing. Wish me luck!!
Should fo a video with these on a stock bottom end 305 chevy with factory iron heads and then with aftermarket aluminum heads
Single on a 305 sbc! Blow thru! V8 noises!
Yes! Run it on the 3800!
Richard thank you for all your efforts and information! I have the MaxSpeed GT45 turbo which is a 35 pound Beast what is the weight of each of the turbos being tested !
not sure on weight
Did you happen to look at the back pressure when you were testing?
I'd love to see a full oiler 235 Chevy with a turbo, not the babbitt pounder but the slightly more modern one. those engines are neat.
Anyone know what size npt fitting the oil feed thread is?
I’d love to see where the boost limit is on these turbos and a 4.8 or 5.3. I have a pair of them on a 5.3 and am curious where they lose steam.
I heard someone say they ran 30 pounds. Wouldn't go much past that if you don't want kaboom.
Running these GT35s under the EMusa name on forged 6.0 twin turbo lemans. So far so good. Biggest change going from a single t-70 to twin GT35s. 1 The exhaust chop is 100 times better with the dauls. 2 Motor wraps up so much faster then before with the old single turbo. My old set up was a 6.0l trying to flow through one small turbo out one long 3" exhaust. I just think it was chocking the built 6.0. Now it has dauls with daul 3" exhaust. Builds boost almost instantly, revs so fast now and choppy enough to hear the SS2 now!
how them bad boys holding up right now man?
Hmm good info I'm debating running these on 5.3 vs 6.0
They still running? Lol
Dude is it still running?
here comes the mark up on these turbos
Literally, turbo is $120 but to ship it from the states to Ontario Canada (where I am eh) it’s $150 like fuck that. I was interested in buyin a set to slap on my 5.3 dog-sled build for shits and giggles but now that “cheap” twin setup has went from $240 to $540 not even including exchange rates so at our $1.50 Canadian to get $1.00 American I’m looking at damn near $1000 to get a hold of these😂 (exchange rate numbers were off the top of my head and out of my ass but you get the point) also “30 day warranty” but will take anywhere’s from 1-28 days to be shipped to you and oh if ya don’t get it in 30 days guess ya just go fuck yourself.
@@joshhamm940 is this is the cheapest you can access cheap stuff, the obviously everything else is waaaaaay more expensive again right, so these are still your low cost option right?
They definitely do what they are suppose to do. What about the durability of the turbos?
The durability is Made in China
Exactly that's the thing. Of course they're gonna perform. Question is how long will they last
Hey Richard, what's the long term durability like, i mean, a few dyno pulls doesn't really give them a big workout.
Dude your channel is awesome 👌
I appreciate that!
Would these to big for a atlas 4.2 in a trailblazer. Wanting to 400 crank for a street car, willing to use e85 to get there (as long as you tune for e85 on ms3)
How is the reliability on these? Would they last in a daily?
Hey let’s say I put this on a q50 vr30 twin turbo factory set up I’m doing pistons and rods forge and these will be rear mounted I know the factory twins would spoil up good but to reach 1000-1200hp do I need you to be or two of these I only want to keep the factory twins so I boost faster off the line and lower gears max out and then these new turbos begin to kick in with electric waste gate I just don’t know if I should go one or two of these because the numbers might not be that accurate coming from China
These are the exact same turbos I ran on my 19 5.7 Challenger. Made 530hp and 630 tq on a mustang dyno at 10 pounds and 10 degrees of timing. They spooled really quick too.
Did you use twin application im in process of doing the same thing to the 5.7. I don't want another of gains so I'm thinking single
@@Watchmanofchrist777 Yes twins. They are to small as a single application.
@@joshuastamper641 did it last long did it damage your engine.
@@Watchmanofchrist777 I didn’t keep it on my car for very long. I ended up swapping the engine for a 6.4 and getting rid of the turbos for a whipple supercharger.
@@joshuastamper641 but u were satisfied right
Not only does Richard see the value of eBay turbos, he also know the Russel Wal-Mart hoodies are the best
I would really like to see them on a 6.0.
Right on. Since im building one right now trying to choose turbos.
Same here. Got a lq9 looking for 800 whp
Orrrrrr a 6.1, Im picking up my srt8 challenger Friday 🤔
Do these turbos have the .63 housing or the actual.82??.
Hi iv got a ford focus 1.8tdci mk2 2006 engine cord kkDA got it remap at 150 bhp wot the best bigger turbo to go for
Could you do a Dyno comparison of a BBC or SBC firing order swap? there are lots of unanswered questions and myths about the effectiveness of the 4/7-2/3 or LS firing order swap on the older engines. I believe and can almost bet that the mixture inconsistency cyl to cyl does get fixed when running the LS firing order on BBC/SBC engines with CARBS. after i did my first swap ill never go back to a standard firing order again only custom grinds now. I notice reduced harmonics, increased bearing life and even wear journal to journal, and most importantly running a single carb the tuning was much easier to find the sweet spot (my guess is due to the cyl AFR's being more consistent). what are your thoughts on this?
I'm told gm changed it for vibration-not mixture
Gt3582 on k24, good combo
Any chance you could try putting one on a Honda 4 cylinder, would be supper interested to see what kinda power / dollar you could get with one of those and a K24
How much oil pressure were you feeding them?
Well well well Richard, by your tests and influence in this LS swap thing, i bought a gen iv vvt 6.0 w/823 heads for my '98 suburban more than a year ago. Then bought two of these exact cheap ass chinese snails for $240 shipped (inside us) lol. And a bunch of other cheap ass chinese boost stuff, so going to make a twin turbo 6.0 daily driver on E85 (plenty available around here in finland). The cam will be vvt .550 lift around 218/223 113lsa... The trans is stock 6L90e so im guessing ill target some around +800fwhp.
Because the lack of time and money (a family man) all of these have been sitting for a year now lol, but someday they will be singing.. So i guess i didnt have to wait and see how these will work out cause you are already testing these out haha!
Please, could you test these out as twins with stock rect port heads on a 6.0 liter and with gen iv truck intake manifold, would be awesome to see what power these can make with what boost levels and when does the boost kick in... Im trying to stay out of boost on daily driving below 2500rpms because mileage gonna kill me otherwise haha
And, you are the man Richard! Keep on testing we keep watching!
Ya I guess 1 would be good for like a daily truck you may or may not do some towing with
L83 stage 2 BTR stage 2 in mine stock bottom turbo or no 🤣🤣🤙🏽 what's safer blower or turbo and what's the highest boost on stock bottom half. I'm thinking lt2 swap and a small turbo kit or super charger on the belt line instead of intake blower style that would be a great video
I would love to see a single turbo setup on a Ford 6.8 v10..3v or 2v..
Hey Richard I'm getting my built 6.0 back if I make it out there you want to do a Dino on it and make a video on it should be a little over 11to1 wiseco Pistons k1 rods ARP main studs 243 or 799 heads with stainless steel valves and 660 springs. it's just got a stage 3 truck cam in it now but we could always swap a different cam in it too. We can put that blower on that. I'd like to see what it would do turbocharged too I think I'm going to end up putting turbos on it or nitrous at the least it'll be gapped at probably 25 or 30. I'm in Seattle but I could either ship it out or do a road trip and bring it out there. I don't know where in California you are but I know it's 18 hours to Holly weird from here.
thnx-I have a pretty full dyno schedule-not sure i would want to hurt someone's motor
I'm wanting to make 14 to 15 psi on a 383 sbc stroker. Goal is 850 hp. The 383 has 220cc 64cc aluminum heads Holley Super Sniper 1250 all forged motor and can remember cam. Twin gt35 , gt45 or single s475 or s480? Looking for budget.
850 only needs twin gt35s
Anybody hear the fart at 10:22? 😂😂😂
yes plz, can you run them on a 6.0l
Yes do it with the 6.0 LS
I was looking again at maxspeeding and it looks like these have a 0.63 turbine housing. That's not bad for about 200hp NA engine (400hp/2) but I think you will get into issues when you get to a 500hp 6.0l. Even on things like an H22 (220hp) I don't think guys run anything smaller than a 0.82 on this size turbo.
Now I am interested how these will do as twins on the 3800 II.
they will be laggy on the 3800 as twins I suspect
@@richardholdener1727 a 50 shot will help the lag
I had 2 of these on a 5.3 and replaced them with the $250 billet 7875's on Ebay.
What power did you make is it a 5.3 and what fuel cheers
Question would you use those twin Gt35 series turbos, on that 03/04 cobra crate engine you have , instead of those hp to4e-57mm ?
yes you can
This is crazy. 1k horsepower for $250
These turbos work on a stock LS 53 out of a truck 2003 model I got a sloppy stage two camshaft 706 heads I got a couple of different intakes to try I want to run a stall speed in the 456 gear or a 411 what is the turbo I should use stock bottom in blows chunk it
you also need ring gap
So glad you did this. Thanks Richard
Awesome it’s insane the potential of a 4.8 vortec for such little money im so glad i put my 4.8 in my 78 k10
Seriously rethinking putting a 6.0 in my 87. Looking at the power curve this combo would make for a nice but spirited daily. Very usable
What size blow off valves and wastegates where you running with the GT35s when you tested this? Thanks!
45mm hyper gates
Dang I thought this was going to be a single. I realize that’s pretty small even for a 4.8l. But I am curious!
These would fit a 350 5.7 L right? Any specific size manifold needed or is it straight bolt on to any turbo manifold? And could I do a blow through setup
do you want 1000+ hp? they bolt to a t3 turbo flange (there are many different size turbo flanges)
@RichardHoldener Maybe moot point... but ever tested turbos that are water cooled? I see a few vendors offer that option, and a few of the "kits" out there have turbos with this feature. (Run in conjunction with an A2A intercooler of course) Seems like it would help, but how much and are there and major downsides?
ITS FOR THE BEARING LIFE
@@richardholdener1727 - I am eyeing some VSR turbos with that feature for my TT build. Thanks for the info, you just made up my mind for me!
Hey Richard,
What mufflers and size of pipe
How long do they last?
I still do not understand who is hitting the thumbs down. Haters lol. John Did your squirrels get a hold of your cell phone?
I think I was thumbs down number 3.
Juice boyz
Would one make a good rear mounted turbo? I just wanna make 500 to the tire. 5.7 4l60.
These turbos might not make 500whp. That's a big maybe. A gt45 would be a better choice for that, they are almost as cheap but are sized way better for a 5.7l
Just so you know i was putting off ordering one of these poverty turbos for a wee project(you know, one of those projects thats done on the side with leftover parts and no budget), but ive had to buy it now before the Richard Holdner tax takes hold. cheers.
I want to see one of these on an F20b
did you have to balance the gen 3 crank for the use of gen 4 rods and pistons?
THE NEW ASSEMBLY WAS BALANCED
Hey Richard I found a deal on a eBay 63 mm turbo and I maybe wanted to try it on a 6.2 Ls with 750 blow though carburetor how u think it would do or just buy a 76 mm
63 is a touch small
@@richardholdener1727 thanks buddy for texting me back
Would a single spool up faster than twins and generate a smoother performance?
It would be interesting to see how much one of them would perform
He did that test in another video in January, etched it yesterday. The single did spool earlier, both made the same power level, but I think the reason was he did the test on a smaller LS, and the back pressure was different - more on the single turbo, making it spool earlier. Cool video though. Definitely want to see these on a larger displacement motor and see if they spool earlier.
its not single vs twin-it the actual turbos you are testing-take a look at the big turbo test video where we tested single vs twins
@@backinmotionchiropractic4371 The results were surprising. For whatever reason we would think the twins would spool better and have better response, but in Richards test up to around 1000HP, the appropriate sized single turbo for the power level seems to spool quicker, make more midrange torque and power than twins of half the power level. The dual turbos come into play when you need huge power numbers that a single can't support. Personally I like how twins "sound" better, so I would run them for that purpose and deal with a little less efficiency.
@@dennisrobinson8008 another thing about twins is in some setups they're easier to package in the engine bay rather than trying to figure out crossover tubes on a v engine
benefit of twins is you're lowering heat by half, not for the engines sake but for the turbos sake.
I just bought an hd1500 with lq4 6.0 and curious if adding a turbo would help fuel economy towing at cruising speed.
Towing the same trailer as my safari, approximately 2900 lb enclosed trailer, the safari will do 12 mpg at 65 no wind, but around 8 at 55 in the wind, the 6.0 does 11 at 65 no wind, but 9 if there is hills/wind. It kicks up to 2700 and 4100 rpms , and just curious if adding a little boost would keep the rpms low enough cruising up hills/in wind to keep the mileage up.
Usually a turbo does not help cruise fuel economy-it uses more fuel under boost due to the richer mixture
Ok they make boost but how long before they leave me on the side of the highway?
But how much horsepower do you gain with one of these. I have a 2012 mustang v6 auto that makes 300 horsepower, with one of these turbos will I get into the 400s number like 100 horsepower gain?
easily
These are not ball bearing turbos? How long would they last.
Looks a little big for the lowly 225. For a 15-psi, 400 hp 225 the maXpeedingrods Universal T70 Turbo looks to be a better match, but it costs $164! :O
I would love to see a gtx3584rs put some numbers down. Pulsar turbo has them in t4 for around 700$ and they are a 1000hp turbo. Maybe see if they would sponsor you to show the power.
I am really doubtful that they can do 1000hp. With methanol and no wastegate on a 12 to 1 engine maybe. They only flow about 87lb/m and it's just not enough to make 1000hp with gasoline as the fuel.
@@timothybayliss6680 Got a dyno of 924whp on a 9.5.1 2jz on e85 so what's there to believe.
@@melvingrimes7886 we don't race dynos. From searching online you have the most powerful car with a gtx3584 turbo on earth. Extraordinary claim require extraordinary evidence and you saying that you got a dyno of 924whp isn't enough.
I have watched a video of an ebay gtx3582r make 806whp. That number isn't possible. Those turbos do not flow the air required to make that power at the crankshaft.
Unless your 2jz powered car is running well into the 8.80s I am calling bs.
@@timothybayliss6680 You said it could not do it there's the dyno. Now you are talking about a 1/4 mile number. Not what you said reference your original post but my little 2j does run 9s.
At the end of the day it's just numbers. I run a dyno and tune for a living for what it's worth been doing this for 35 years. Check the Audi rs3 out and what they are running with a 35 frame turbo.
Is it best to use a gt3582 on small engines as a 302 or maybe a 351? You had a 454 that had to l much back pressure and you switched to twin turbos that worked much better
gt3582s can make 1000 hp