Transcript: We will go into that word ‘good’, if we may, because most people, the intellectuals, the highly cultivated minds, think ‘good’ is rather an impossible word; they don’t like that word because it is rather a shy-making word. You are following all this? But I think we should stick to that word in spite of them. So we must go into the meaning of that word, ‘to be good’. Because you cannot have a good society which has been the dream of ancient Indians, Hindus, ancient Greeks and the Egyptians and so on, to bring about a good society. And a good society can only exist when there is good man, because being good he creates goodness, brings about goodness - in his relationship, in his actions, in his way of life. So we must be very clear in the understanding of that word ‘good’. Don’t despise that word. Good also means that which is beautiful. Good also means that which is holy, it is related to god, to the highest principles and so on. So that word ‘good’ needs to be very deeply understood. When there is this goodness in one then whatever you do will be good: your relationships, your actions, your way of thinking and so on. So please, as we are thinking together let us examine that word. Because one may immediately capture the whole significance of that word, the extraordinary quality of that word, instantly. But generally people don’t, they want an explanation, what it is to be good. The speaker is not ashamed to use that word, you may spit on it. Generally the intellectuals do, they say such a thing doesn’t exist any more. We are going to find out what it means. Goodness is not the opposite of that which is bad. Please carefully let’s think over this thing together because this is, if you really go into this very deeply, it is going to affect your consciousness, it is going to affect your way of thinking, it is going to affect the way of your life. So please give a little attention to the understanding of that word. First, the word is not the thing. Right? I may describe the mountains most beautifully, paint it, make a poem, but the word, the description, the poem, is not the actual. But we are generally carried away emotionally, irrationally by the description, by the word. So please, we are pointing out, the word is not the actual. So we are saying, goodness is not related to that which is bad. Good is not the outcome of the bad. Goodness is totally unrelated to that which is ugly, which is not beautiful. So goodness is by itself unrelated to that which we may consider evil, ugly, bad. That’s the first thing to comprehend in thinking over together. If you say, the good is the outcome of the bad, the evil, the ugly, then the good has in it the bad, the ugly, the brute. You understand? You understand this. No? The good must be, and is, totally unrelated to that which is not. And the good cannot possibly exist when there is any acceptance of any authority. Right? I am going to go into it. Please, we are thinking together over a very, very serious problem. Authority is very complex. There is the authority of law which man has put together through many, many centuries; there is the law of nature, there is the law of our own experience, according to which we obey, according to the law of our own petty reactions which dominate our lives. Then there is the law of institutions, the law of organised beliefs which are called religions, dogmas. We are saying goodness is totally unrelated to every form of authority. Please look at it, examine it, understand it, don’t reject it, say, it is too complex, we don’t understand. It is so very simple if you examine it, if you apply your mind to it. Goodness is not the pursuit of conformity. If you conform to a belief, to a concept, to an idea, to a principle, that is not good, because it creates conflict. The essence of goodness is a mind that is not in conflict. Examine it, look at it. Goodness cannot flower through another, through a religious figure, through dogma, through belief, it can only flower in the soil of total attention in which there is no authority. You are following all this? Is this all too complex? And goodness implies great responsibility. You can’t be good and allow wars to take place. So a man that is really good is totally responsible for all his life.
What did he say here that was sound or substantive? He is just making unsubstantiated, vague claims about "goodness" as though it's some objective thing, by only explaining what he believes it to not be. And he doesn't give any justification for why it should be seen that way.
@@clarkent7574 Sky is not a reasonable analogy. He is saying something is good, but good is a subjective concept, sky is not. The sky is the sky regardless of who sees it that way. Goodness is relative to the perspective of the individual. Getting it?
9:48 The essence of goodness is a mind that it not in conflict. It can only flower in the soil of total attention in which there is no authority. A man who is totally good is responsible for all his life ( don’t concede the responsibility of your like to any authority. )
@Johan Van de voet Ok, now we're getting somewhere. So, that's how you define goodness. This has nothing to do with me "depending on you". You were making a claim, and I was asking for you to define the terms in your claim. So, what do you mean by "real" goodness? Are you saying there is some objective fact about reality that makes this "goodness" apply to everyone?
Cloud Of Time, Hi - It’s been my experience, and that of others, that through regular meditation the intellectual mind can eventually be quieted. When I say meditation, I’m referring to mindfulness meditation ( though probably more accurately described as mindless meditation as the point is to not think.) This can takes years, or likely at least some months, as humans think the thinking mind is them and the mind is so busy, so accustomed to running the show, that it takes sometime for quiet to occur. But once ‘there’ in that absence of thinking that is a quiet mind, things that ring true to you will be realized by you. I can’t tell you what they are, nor would I wrongly purport to tell you what they should be. However people often realize similar truths and that may be why videos such as this one resonate with us. But my honest advise is to, without effort, slowly find yourself settling into ( revealing ) your quiet mind - that really is you. From that place as a quiet observer ‘ truth ‘ will resonate with the real you ( not your thinking intellectual mind. )
@@cloudoftime if good comes from bad, it is not all good right? ??? He also says that good doesn't come from a idealistic view!! You're trying to get to the truth by comparing no good
Cloud Of Time, Honestly I can’t say that I “ know “, nor ‘ how ‘ I know. Just a ‘ truth ‘ that seems to resonate with me, with me spiritually. What are your thoughts ( on anything ) ?
@@carpenterfamily6198 How do you define truth? You say it's a truth that resonates with you. I can understand it being an idea you like, but I don't understand calling it a truth.
Cloud Of Time, For me a truth is something I can live by . . . and by living by truths realized I find, and live in a state of, harmony ( resonance .) I wouldn’t push this on anyone. Or say that it was ‘ The ‘ right or only way. But only that I’ve found truth and harmony there.
Its not always about the light... To know the light is to know the dark, for they are inextricably fused together. Suspend judgement, look deeply and the illusion of separation begins to unravel.
"Gamble" sound like a "good" word to describe this, as far as I can tell. I think we cannot know good because we we cannot see the big picture. In our fragmented/ego perspective we only see a portion of reality and that portion often looks bad. Like if our cells could talk and consider their death evil. But the whole of the body knows the cycle is necessary.
@@guywhoisnotbob nicely put I never heard of a illustration such as your own but I wanted to also say that this gentleman gave his whole life $$ to show us that there is truth if we as human beings see through our own disorderly minds!! Through knowledge I never could see what he was saying 😚it took years for me to understand how the mind works in conditioning🤔✌ . It's almost scary to think there's another way from which I was taught my whole life!!!!
It is hard to understand. for example: I say the flower is beautiful, so it is goodness of the feeling. if I say lily is good to compare rose, it is authority and comparing. This good is not real good. Please advise. Thanks,
bad= conflict ,ugly, something not fit. good = overcoming from bad you can compare it with last yeae you were 20 now 21. you evolved, you are older. same is from "bad" to "good"
Take for instance renovating a house with your family in it ( you have to do all the work yourself ) there is a lot of bad stress, learning, expense, and pressure and limited time, there are arguments, but then the work is finished and that is good but there is the bad from when the work was being done, that is a fact of life
Conformity is not good. Conformity is the opposite of good. This may seem like a truism but it is the very essence of supreme intelligence and love, which in unison constitute what is good in the first place.
@Crete1943 Agreed, when one conforms they stop. Accepting another’s authority - conforming - one stops seeking, learning, growing themselves. Don’t conform, don’t accept authority - rather stay in a state of opened minded discovery and realization. 🙏
So many issues. "Good" here is simply being asserted, not substantiated. Who are these "cultivated, intellectuals" that don't want a "good" world? Beauty is subjective. He doesn't explain anything, he just asserts a vague definition for "good", by saying what it isn't. This isn't "too complex", it's lacking definition and substantiation. Good is a value assigned to things based on subjective desires and goals. He seems to be making some objective claim about what "good" is in the universe, but without giving any explanation for why that's the case, how it is, or why we should look at it that way. There is nothing here, in this clip.
Wow. Love the way you can manage to put something so life affirming, and totally take the life out of it by your intellectual analysis. You should be proud of yourself for achieving so much in this short life. Ps: just so that you know , your comment is totally subjective
@@zorrohansin Everything said is necessarily subjective; you aren't offering any insight into something I wasn't aware of. What do you mean by "take life out of it"? These are concepts about life and existence, and this guy is making claims about life and existence, so I am commenting on those. His claims are vague and unsubstantiated. If someone is going to make claims about things, do you not care if those claims are sound? Do you just go with what "feels good", irrespective of validity of the content? Is the "life" in this just something that "sounds nice" to you? How are you defining "life" here?
@@cloudoftime What if I told you , that you have a long way to go. I know you'd be angry with me because who am I to tell you that? And again you might say give me a logical explaination as to why I have a long way to go? Somethings can only only be seen in time my friend. And maybe you can't see them today in your experience , but you might see them tomorrow. Maybe when you experience something. Like let's say you taste a grape. And someone tells you that you've not tasted a grape. He cannot prove you wrong because it's an experience that you've had. Tasting a grape makes a fact in your experience. Some facts are subjective because till the other person tastes the grape he cannot know what you have known. You might understand these teachings , in the long run. I wish you all the best for your life ahead.
@@cloudoftime it's just like hearing Beethoven for the first time. Some people have sufficient wiring and the required connections in their head space to understand classical. Some people don't have it. Some people have the eyes to see the most ugliest things as the most aesthetic things. It's just very very subjective. Maybe you'll develop it over time
@@cloudoftime so I want to conclude by saying that just because we think something about something doesn't make it objectively true. There maybe other dimensions that our brain has not explored which are not in our reach. We just aren't wired that way maybe. Doesn't make us higher or lower human beings. Just makes us study for years before we come to a conclusion. Maybe you could meditate with lamas, monks, meditators and then come to a sound conclusion? It's highly experienced based.
Transcript:
We will go into that word ‘good’, if we may, because most people, the intellectuals, the highly cultivated minds, think ‘good’ is rather an impossible word; they don’t like that word because it is rather a shy-making word. You are following all this? But I think we should stick to that word in spite of them. So we must go into the meaning of that word, ‘to be good’. Because you cannot have a good society which has been the dream of ancient Indians, Hindus, ancient Greeks and the Egyptians and so on, to bring about a good society. And a good society can only exist when there is good man, because being good he creates goodness, brings about goodness - in his relationship, in his actions, in his way of life. So we must be very clear in the understanding of that word ‘good’. Don’t despise that word. Good also means that which is beautiful. Good also means that which is holy, it is related to god, to the highest principles and so on. So that word ‘good’ needs to be very deeply understood. When there is this goodness in one then whatever you do will be good: your relationships, your actions, your way of thinking and so on. So please, as we are thinking together let us examine that word. Because one may immediately capture the whole significance of that word, the extraordinary quality of that word, instantly. But generally people don’t, they want an explanation, what it is to be good. The speaker is not ashamed to use that word, you may spit on it. Generally the intellectuals do, they say such a thing doesn’t exist any more. We are going to find out what it means.
Goodness is not the opposite of that which is bad. Please carefully let’s think over this thing together because this is, if you really go into this very deeply, it is going to affect your consciousness, it is going to affect your way of thinking, it is going to affect the way of your life. So please give a little attention to the understanding of that word. First, the word is not the thing. Right? I may describe the mountains most beautifully, paint it, make a poem, but the word, the description, the poem, is not the actual. But we are generally carried away emotionally, irrationally by the description, by the word. So please, we are pointing out, the word is not the actual. So we are saying, goodness is not related to that which is bad. Good is not the outcome of the bad. Goodness is totally unrelated to that which is ugly, which is not beautiful. So goodness is by itself unrelated to that which we may consider evil, ugly, bad. That’s the first thing to comprehend in thinking over together. If you say, the good is the outcome of the bad, the evil, the ugly, then the good has in it the bad, the ugly, the brute. You understand? You understand this. No? The good must be, and is, totally unrelated to that which is not. And the good cannot possibly exist when there is any acceptance of any authority. Right? I am going to go into it. Please, we are thinking together over a very, very serious problem.
Authority is very complex. There is the authority of law which man has put together through many, many centuries; there is the law of nature, there is the law of our own experience, according to which we obey, according to the law of our own petty reactions which dominate our lives. Then there is the law of institutions, the law of organised beliefs which are called religions, dogmas. We are saying goodness is totally unrelated to every form of authority. Please look at it, examine it, understand it, don’t reject it, say, it is too complex, we don’t understand. It is so very simple if you examine it, if you apply your mind to it. Goodness is not the pursuit of conformity. If you conform to a belief, to a concept, to an idea, to a principle, that is not good, because it creates conflict. The essence of goodness is a mind that is not in conflict. Examine it, look at it. Goodness cannot flower through another, through a religious figure, through dogma, through belief, it can only flower in the soil of total attention in which there is no authority. You are following all this? Is this all too complex? And goodness implies great responsibility. You can’t be good and allow wars to take place. So a man that is really good is totally responsible for all his life.
This doesn't explain what "goodness" is, it's just a claim about what he believes "goodness" to be (or rather what it's not).
Jiddu Krishnamurti was a man full of wisdom and love. Such an inspiration, may he live forever in the hearts of people.
What did he say here that was sound or substantive? He is just making unsubstantiated, vague claims about "goodness" as though it's some objective thing, by only explaining what he believes it to not be. And he doesn't give any justification for why it should be seen that way.
@@clarkent7574 Sky is not a reasonable analogy. He is saying something is good, but good is a subjective concept, sky is not. The sky is the sky regardless of who sees it that way. Goodness is relative to the perspective of the individual. Getting it?
Thanks for the upload!
He is truly a pure, good, enlightened person!
Krishnamurti is beautiful
thank you!
If we say something is good then it means we are comparing it with something that is considered bad that creates conflicts
The word is not the thing "
9:48 The essence of goodness is a mind that it not in conflict.
It can only flower in the soil of total attention in which there is no authority.
A man who is totally good is responsible for all his life
( don’t concede the responsibility of your like to any authority. )
How can this be shown to be true? These are just unsubstantiated claims, and forced definitions with no explanation given.
@Johan Van de voet More claims. How do you know that's true for me, or for anyone else? How is "goodness" being defined?
@Johan Van de voet Ok, now we're getting somewhere. So, that's how you define goodness.
This has nothing to do with me "depending on you". You were making a claim, and I was asking for you to define the terms in your claim.
So, what do you mean by "real" goodness? Are you saying there is some objective fact about reality that makes this "goodness" apply to everyone?
7:30
Cloud Of Time, Hi - It’s been my experience, and that of others, that through regular meditation the intellectual mind can eventually be quieted. When I say meditation, I’m referring to mindfulness meditation ( though probably more accurately described as mindless meditation as the point is to not think.) This can takes years, or likely at least some months, as humans think the thinking mind is them and the mind is so busy, so accustomed to running the show, that it takes sometime for quiet to occur. But once ‘there’ in that absence of thinking that is a quiet mind, things that ring true to you will be realized by you. I can’t tell you what they are, nor would I wrongly purport to tell you what they should be. However people often realize similar truths and that may be why videos such as this one resonate with us. But my honest advise is to, without effort, slowly find yourself settling into ( revealing ) your quiet mind - that really is you. From that place as a quiet observer ‘ truth ‘ will resonate with the real you ( not your thinking intellectual mind. )
PERFECT.....''THE SUN IS GOOD'';IT SHINES ON ALL
Nice words
The essence of all is Goodness
What? Do u mean?
@@mikewright902 Please do not think so much about it. You will know when you experience it
@@HansMortensenMM26121960 what 😃😂
How so? What is the definition of "goodness"?
So, "all" includes that which is bad. So, the essence of bad is goodness?
@@cloudoftime if good comes from bad, it is not all good right? ??? He also says that good doesn't come from a idealistic view!! You're trying to get to the truth by comparing no good
9:23 pause, listen and the spirit speaks.
What spirit?
@@carpenterfamily6198 How do you know they are speaking from a "higher more universal consciousness"? What does that mean exactly?
Cloud Of Time, Honestly I can’t say that I “ know “, nor ‘ how ‘ I know.
Just a ‘ truth ‘ that seems to resonate with me, with me spiritually.
What are your thoughts ( on anything ) ?
@@carpenterfamily6198 How do you define truth? You say it's a truth that resonates with you. I can understand it being an idea you like, but I don't understand calling it a truth.
Cloud Of Time, For me a truth is something I can live by . . . and by living by truths realized I find, and live in a state of, harmony ( resonance .) I wouldn’t push this on anyone. Or say that it was ‘ The ‘ right or only way. But only that I’ve found truth and harmony there.
Law of nature is truth
🙏🙏🙏3.18 so please as we are thinking together ⭐4.35 goodness is not the opposite of that which is bad ⭐5.20 the word is not to the thing ⭐
Its not always about the light...
To know the light is to know the dark, for they are inextricably fused together. Suspend judgement, look deeply and the illusion of separation begins to unravel.
Well written, i liked reading this thought.
I'm going to sue my primary grammar teacher.
Hahahaha..
You should have been a comedian👍✌
🙏🙂
Good, evil, has no value comming from people. We do not have the right tools to measure anything. We just gamble.
Wow oh wise one you are wise beyond your years great Abbott🤣😂
"Gamble" sound like a "good" word to describe this, as far as I can tell. I think we cannot know good because we we cannot see the big picture. In our fragmented/ego perspective we only see a portion of reality and that portion often looks bad. Like if our cells could talk and consider their death evil. But the whole of the body knows the cycle is necessary.
@@guywhoisnotbob nicely put I never heard of a illustration such as your own but I wanted to also say that this gentleman gave his whole life $$ to show us that there is truth if we as human beings see through our own disorderly minds!! Through knowledge I never could see what he was saying 😚it took years for me to understand how the mind works in conditioning🤔✌ . It's almost scary to think there's another way from which I was taught my whole life!!!!
🙏
It is hard to understand.
for example: I say the flower is beautiful, so it is goodness of the feeling.
if I say lily is good to compare rose, it is authority and comparing. This good is not real good.
Please advise.
Thanks,
bad= conflict ,ugly, something not fit.
good = overcoming from bad
you can compare it with last yeae you were 20 now 21.
you evolved, you are older.
same is from "bad" to "good"
Take for instance renovating a house with your family in it ( you have to do all the work yourself ) there is a lot of bad stress, learning, expense, and pressure and limited time, there are arguments, but then the work is finished and that is good but there is the bad from when the work was being done, that is a fact of life
No, you're comparing the two😉!!
Conformity is not good. Conformity is the opposite of good. This may seem like a truism but it is the very essence of supreme intelligence and love, which in unison constitute what is good in the first place.
@Crete1943 Agreed, when one conforms they stop. Accepting another’s authority - conforming - one stops seeking, learning, growing themselves. Don’t conform, don’t accept authority - rather stay in a state of opened minded discovery and realization. 🙏
You are just creating your own definition for "Goodness" and then saying it as though it's an objective truth.
Never mind the bollocks here is Jiddu Krishnamurti 😄
So many issues.
"Good" here is simply being asserted, not substantiated.
Who are these "cultivated, intellectuals" that don't want a "good" world?
Beauty is subjective.
He doesn't explain anything, he just asserts a vague definition for "good", by saying what it isn't. This isn't "too complex", it's lacking definition and substantiation. Good is a value assigned to things based on subjective desires and goals. He seems to be making some objective claim about what "good" is in the universe, but without giving any explanation for why that's the case, how it is, or why we should look at it that way. There is nothing here, in this clip.
Wow. Love the way you can manage to put something so life affirming, and totally take the life out of it by your intellectual analysis. You should be proud of yourself for achieving so much in this short life.
Ps: just so that you know , your comment is totally subjective
@@zorrohansin Everything said is necessarily subjective; you aren't offering any insight into something I wasn't aware of.
What do you mean by "take life out of it"? These are concepts about life and existence, and this guy is making claims about life and existence, so I am commenting on those. His claims are vague and unsubstantiated. If someone is going to make claims about things, do you not care if those claims are sound? Do you just go with what "feels good", irrespective of validity of the content? Is the "life" in this just something that "sounds nice" to you? How are you defining "life" here?
@@cloudoftime What if I told you , that you have a long way to go. I know you'd be angry with me because who am I to tell you that?
And again you might say give me a logical explaination as to why I have a long way to go?
Somethings can only only be seen in time my friend. And maybe you can't see them today in your experience , but you might see them tomorrow.
Maybe when you experience something. Like let's say you taste a grape. And someone tells you that you've not tasted a grape. He cannot prove you wrong because it's an experience that you've had. Tasting a grape makes a fact in your experience. Some facts are subjective because till the other person tastes the grape he cannot know what you have known.
You might understand these teachings , in the long run. I wish you all the best for your life ahead.
@@cloudoftime it's just like hearing Beethoven for the first time. Some people have sufficient wiring and the required connections in their head space to understand classical. Some people don't have it. Some people have the eyes to see the most ugliest things as the most aesthetic things.
It's just very very subjective.
Maybe you'll develop it over time
@@cloudoftime so I want to conclude by saying that just because we think something about something doesn't make it objectively true. There maybe other dimensions that our brain has not explored which are not in our reach. We just aren't wired that way maybe. Doesn't make us higher or lower human beings. Just makes us study for years before we come to a conclusion. Maybe you could meditate with lamas, monks, meditators and then come to a sound conclusion?
It's highly experienced based.