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I liked Lightning at the time. It felt like a port for the future: fast (at the time), reversible plug, and a secure and tactile fit without the meat hooks USB Micro B had. USB-C just outpaces Lightning at every turn now, aside from the tactile fit which still feels really nice.
Sorry bro. The only reason why Apple was shoving that lightening port down your throat is because they have a patent for it. No one else can sell it unless they fork over a ton of money to Apple. Apple's getting money out of you one way or another.
USB C actually has almost the exact same physical latch as Lightning, only it's inside the connector! Lightning was a weird and strangely long-lived connector. But it ultimately influenced USB C. While it wasn't particularly practical, it was definitely very pretty, with no holes, no sticky out bits in the phone. The plug is a solid piece of metal and the port is just a hole.
@@agoogleuser2507 Why so salty? The guy was talking about lightning when it was released, which indeed was significantly better than anything else out there and also influenced many aspects of USB-C.
Came into this video wanting to know the history of how we went from the 30-pin to USB-C and ended up watching your most critical video about Apple on your channel to date. Plenty of big tech TH-camrs wouldn’t dare to make a video criticizing Apple (unless you’re Linus whose audience aren’t going to buy a Mac or Apple products in the first place). Maybe you could team up with Zackary Smigel regarding Apple & their business practices.
Oh yeah, no one ever criticizes Apple. It’s definitely not a tired trope for tech TH-camrs to rant about apple in any video that features them or their products and mentioning how much better everything else is while they furiously jerk themselves off until they close their eyes and have an explosive 45 second orgasm as images of headphone jacks fill their minds. Afterwards, they get a call from Linus who, after spending 2-3 minutes of him berating his employees and being patronizing in general, congratulated them on the orgasm and mentions that he hasn’t seen ropes that long and thick since unbox therapy bent an iPhone with his bare hands. But yeah, I 100% agree which is why I make sure to always like this exact same type of comment that’s always at or near the top of the comment section under any video that says something negative about Apple.
I love how Apple justified not giving the brick with the 12 iPhone series by saying: ''we all have the bricks we can already use'' And yet, the ONLY people that had fast charging were 11 Pro owners and people that had to buy the brick separately. Thus the vast majority of people were still on, even ancient by then, 5W meme of a charger.
@@mattbuffo9967 just because samsung doesn’t include it anymore doesn’t make it any less of a cash grab from apple, samsung, and any other company removing the brick
ive been using a 5W my entire life since I was a kid with my original ipad mini in 2012. I probably will use a 5W for at least 5 more years of life mainly because when I upgraded my iphone to a 13 there was no cable that came with it. Yuh
@@maxonitethere's not really any needed info here. EU told them they had to change to type c or they wouldn't be allowed to sell there and they complied. this uploader is great, but he really didn't need to make a nearly 30 minute video on this.
You forgot the fact that lightning actually did support usb3 (5Gbit). When the 2017 iPad pro came out it had lightning but it did connect at 5Gbit. This was with a stock lightning cable. It was however the only device that did support 5Gbit over lightning that I know of. The way you could tell hardwarevice was that when you looked into the female lightning connector on the iPad you would see connection strips on both sides of the plug. All other devices had only connection strips on one side.
It was kind of a hack, though. The original spec only used the pins on one side of the cable, and they never released a lightning to USB 3.0 cable (the lightning to USB-C cables were USB 2.0 only). The only way you could connect USB 3.0 stuff to those iPad Pros was via lightning accessories, and they used both sides of the cable. Even so, they also limited the power that they could output from that port, down to 5V 40mA. The USB 3.0 camera adapter had you connect a lightning cable for extra power, which was super annoying. If you had the USB 2.0 adapter you were SOL unless you had a device that happened to work with the low power budget (or used an unpowered USB hub to trick the phone/tablet into giving a bit more power)
I think apple learned their lesson from the first port transition. As you mentioned, apple introduced lightning as an entirely new connector that no one had at the time. Their old accessories and chargers wouldn’t work. With usb-c, apple rolled that in with the MacBook Air (2015), which did not make up a major portion of their sales. Manufacturers started making usb c accessories and then the industry followed suit on phones/accessories. Now the pain point is that apple should have transitioned the iPhone port a few years ago, rather than users complaining that they didn’t have usbc cords to use with their phones. Everything new has usb c, so users are integrating with an existing environment.
When lightning was introduced, old chargers still worked fine. The charging cable only changed on the iPhone side while the charger still had a regular USB type A socket.
hate to correct you, but the MacBook from 2015 wasn't the Air, but a newer iteration of the standard MacBook. the Air didn't get USB-C support until the 2018 revision, as the previous one still had the original 2010 design with MagSafe
Fun fact: apple originally planned to have type c for the iPhone 5 and they supported development but because it took them too long to develop type c apple decided to make their own cable to meet the deadlines for iPhone 5 launch
let’s be real the 15 really feels like a (s) version besides the usb c and it’s really reminding me when the iphone 6s got released better camera same design more durable material
USB-C is looking very promising for a universal data/charging platform. It can stream high resolution movies to a home theater, it can store massive amounts of data in a small thumb drive, it can power an entire extension hub with every port in use, and so on.
Eh, it’s not a dangerous precedence to let governments say use a common standard and make your products more repairable. It’s protecting the customer, which corporations absolutely will not do. Now if governments took complete control of corporations I’d have something against that. Corporations needs checks and balances, otherwise they will screw us all over.
Exactly. You can never expect corporations to self-regulate despite how much said corporations said they would. Corporations exists for profits not charity work. They are not your BFF and never was.
@@DarkZerol exactly, that’s why it’s good for governments to regulate corporations, we’ve seen time and time again how corporations will dump toxic waste, which then seeps into the ground water, this poisoning people. Corporations will get away with murder if they can, therefore regulation is important.
As an Apple user, I was thrilled about the USB Type-C when I upgraded to the iPhone 15 Pro from an iPhone 11. Growing up, I faced so many issues with different ports. I owned a 2G, 3G, and a 4S, while my friends had newer models like the 5 and 6. My family wouldn't let me have a "good phone" in case it got stolen, which I understand. But it was frustrating needing to charge my phone and finding out nobody had the 40-pin connectors. When I got a phone with Lightning, nobody seemed to have one, except my friends who had already moved on to USB Type-C. I remember classes full of students arguing and trying to borrow a USB-C or a Lightning cable. Now that iPhones finally have USB Type-C, I'm excited, but then I realized I don't need to be. I'm not in school anymore; I don't have the constant struggle with friends over who has the right charger. Instead, I have my own charger that I always keep around my house.
Love the video 💜 but please keep your breathing spaces in when editing your next video. It will make for a much less tiring and more comprehensible story. Imaginemetypingthiswithoutspaces.
My mom was actually very excited when I told my mom about the iphone 15 had usb c. Unfortunately she doesn't buy phones, she usually just get cheap phones from people who give them away when they upgrade, in fact, the newest phone she has ever had was the iphone x (before it was an old iphone, I'm pretty sure it was on ios 12). Personally I'm an android user, but the only phones I've had were the galaxy s7, and the pixel 6a. When I got my 6a, I had to get a churching block as well as an audio adapter because it was the first device that anyone in my family has had that requires a good cord, not a cheap usb c cord, although I have no idea if it was the block or the cord, because I could charge it with my portable battery with my cheap usb c cord, or with my computer.
I think it’s a combination of your voice, tone, inflection, well researched videos and text that make me love your long form videos. Please keep them coming!!
I will save some time and say Apple changed the port not because USB-C is superior in sturdiness, is compatible with most modern ports today, or because you can have USB 3 and even thunderbolt transfer speeds (which for some reason Apple decided even with these MUCH faster speeds available with the USB-C technology, they would stick with ANCIENT USB 2.0 speeds). Apple changed the port because the EU essentially told them to do it or don't sell your phones in the EU. Changing the port had nothing to do with improving the phone for the end consumer. Lightning is SLOW, tends to break easily, and is proprietary. Apple would still be using an inferior port if they could because they make a lot of money selling proprietary lightning accessories.
If Apple moved to USB-C via their own will they would of put a USB-3 controller in their A16 so the customers wouldnt be screwed when they moved over. But they didnt because they didnt anticipate moving to C.
@@framedthunder6436 Thats not true USB-3 or compliant with the standard. Lightning is 8 pins, where USB 3 is 9 pins. Official USB 3 support is not possible on lightning, and thats why they never tried to implement it. The iPad needed an adapter to support "USB 3", which only supported specific apple devices. It didnt do USB 3 on anything else, because it cant.
Was it the connector or the cable? If it was the cable it could be the silicone insulation on the cable that Apple uses and not the connector itself. USB cables usually are PVC which is quite durable.
This is in no way defending Apple, but the reason the 15 and 15 Plus have USB 2.0 because they used the A16 Bionic from last year which does not have the controller on the chip. This is why the 16 and 16 Plus will have it next year.
I’ve been waiting to upgrade. There’s been features that I’ve wanted but I told myself I’m waiting until iPhone get USB-C now I can keep the iPhone 15 for years to come. I can’t wait for it to arrive.
iPhone 5 was my first iPhone. I was always a blackberry before. Since sept 2012 I have gotten the newest iPhone on launch day. What a ride it’s been with iPhone
While this change will cause some headache right now, this is just a short term inconvenience. We’ll be way better off in the long run with this change.
@@SidTheGamer0 only reason they made the change, they were forced to make the change. I am pretty sure they would have liked to keep it around to gouge people in buying their overpriced cables.
@hungryhungryagro if they were that arrogant they might've done the portless one, but I don't know how'd they sell that to pro-sumers especially with them advertising the 4k 60 fps pro-res
I still have a FireWire Dock Connector from the iPod Mini my parents bought the year I was born (04). Haven’t used it, because that mini died when I was like 3, but the USB dock connector is still in my life for my older nostalgia devices. I remember the lightning switch, and finally getting a lightning enabled iPad, it really was cool for some reason.
But on the plus side to this is that the iPhone 15 users will now have a much more easier way of getting Type-C cables. Due to the fact that type-C has been around for at least 6 years now and Android phones are one of the leading devices to use them. So now when you go over to the charging cable section at your local supermarket you don't need to really look hard enough to find the right cable. Even then you might already have some lying around the house since you already have some other USB-C devices. At this point USB-C is now really becoming the default standard and is also slowly replacing the oldest Type-A.
Apple died when Steve jobs died. It was 1985 all over again for apple. Its just that everybody finally figured out that apple what's doing with the people wanted and people in Mass are usually behind the curve. I'm sure with the cash flow that Apple has it'll be a long time for them to bottom up this time but it is starting to fall apart and become unfocused like before. RIP Steve Jobs
I've had to replace my iPad 5 times because using non-Apple USB-C to-USB C cables cauaes the device firmware to recognize non-Apple cables and then, over time, the device stops charging.
@@claudiobizama5603 I think he is referring to and old car. My 2020 Mazda cx-3 still has usb a ports and I’m not planing on upgrading just because usb c ports on the car
And thank god for that. I remember when my Samsung note 3 had a plastic back that allowed you to change your battery whenever you wanted; made it last for about 7 years. The only reason I upgraded was because my charging port finally died on it and I couldn’t get it fixed, so I was forced to upgrade to the Galaxy s20, which has the battery permanently installed inside the phone. I was so pissed off about that and still can’t get over it today
@@lacosta0892 You could have done wireless charging. I had a note 3 and Note 4. You just have to add the wireless receiver. That would have saved your charging port
@@thejpkotor I think most phones that are sealed are already to some level of water resistance. Even if they aren't water seal phone cases have been around for ages. Even phoes that had plastic removable backs had an IP rating. The plastic Galaxy s5 which was realeased in 2014 had an IP67 rating.
iphone 15 and 15plus use the A16 chip... a chip made for iphone 14pro and pro max... phones wtih lighting ports... that chip doesn't have a USB 3.0 controller because it didn't need to have one
The iPad 3 was the very first iPad I bought. 5 years later got the iPad Pro 9.7 inch. 5 years later again, got the iPad 9th gen and that’s where I am today! Love what I have right now until I’m ready for another one!
Great video, I think the iphone 15 lineup is good, however, I currently am using an iphone 14 Promax & plan on keeping it for at least another year. I'm looking forward to the 16 series.
I still have an 8 Plus, and I’m still pretty happy with it. I don’t need 4 cameras, I like my home button and it’s still fast. I don’t use lightning to charge, I charge wirelessly, but I do use the lightning adapter for headphones.
I wish more people were like you instead of those fools who buy the new phone every year , wasting thousands of dollars and the planet, just to impress the neighbour.
Recieved my 15 pro 3 days ago, after 6 years with the iPhone X. The only downside of USB-C, compared to Lightning, is that i have the feeling that it doesn't feel as "snappy" when plugging the connector into the port. it's not as tactile. it's nice that you don't have to find someone with an iPhone if you want to give your phone a quick charge, though. everything else i've been doing wirelessly for years now.
Using a 6s in 2024 it’s very frustrating every time my lighting cord gives error “accessory not compatible “ and I have to keep buying a new lighting cord with same issues
Technically we can't say that the iPhone charging plug was around in 2003 because the IPhone wasn't released until 2007. However, a better title for the video might be "The History of the Apple charging port/cable". The reason I say this is because the cover graphic is sort of "wrong" in that the iPHone did not exist in 2003.
Let's not forget that "the new iPad" (iPad 3rd gen) was the reason the ipad 2 didn't get the fancy blur UI effects because the higher resolution meant "the new iPad" had to process 4 times as many pixels, but the jump in processing power wasn't enough for a good experience, thus they never included the real time effect on both the iPad 2 and "the new iPad" Btw, the first iPad mini has the A5X, just like the iPad 2, but it did come with those effects working perfectly fine. You could also jailbreak your iPad 2 to unofficially activate it and it worked fine too
Exactly why I liked the lightning and not the usb c. Because it waa cool when iPhone introduced to us this reversible charging port. But 2 years later, USB C came out, meh felt like it's just copying lightning
I still use an iPhone 6s. I recently had the screen repaired and I am not upgrading until it breaks. I hope lightning cables stay easily available if I need a new one
the iPhone 15 model only supporting USB2 speeds was a surprise to no one... not sure why you think it is so stupid. we all knew that device would ship with the A16 bionic from the previous year's iPhone 14 pro. which had a USB2.0 controller. they weren't going to redesign the A16 bionic with a new usb controller. so Apple could have only introduce USB-C on the iPhone 15 pro, or... they could release iPhone 15 with USB power delivery, and USB2.0 speeds. I think they made the right choice. and as a iPhone user that hasn't used a cable for anything but charging since iPhone 5S, I don't care what the transfer speeds are anyway. This is a non-issue for just about everyone.
from reviews, they are using a braided cable which is usually thicker and less prone to damage. the plug itself is stupidly easy not to screw it up, where as lightning ports are easily bendable if you accidentally plug it on the wrong side. Also I am sure you have usbc cables lying around. No need to overspend for a proprietary lightning cable.
@@Xanatos0504 that is one of the issues that’s easy fixable but my issue is the connection inside. The phone has a tendency over time to break off and wear out and at that point you’re looking at a new phone. And yes, you can use a USB-C on both sides just as a lightning table.
@@jacoby1234ificationusbC is more durable than you might think. I'm still using a Samsung Galaxy Note 8 which was the first of the Note series to support usbC and that connection still works flawlessly. The only thing is you have to clean the port from time to time.
i loved my ipad retina. but i still was on my iphone 4 so to me it made sense to buy it and i didn’t go to the iphone 5, i went to the galaxy s3. I also pre-ordered the ipad retina, so i had it day 1
But yet, Apple was actually smart to produce the Lightning connector, since it was *WAY* more durable than the original 30-pin connector. Apple originally went with USB Type C on their MacBooks and iPad Pros due to the need for higher-speed I/O connectivity; it's only the EU regulation that the iPhone now uses the USB Type C port. By the way, expect the iPhone to be '"thicker" possibly as early as the iPhone 16. Reason: the new EU requirement for easily replaceable battery packs on portable devices, which will require Apple to make the iPhone (and all iPads and MacBook laptops) to be thicker to accommodate the ability to easily swap battery packs like the old Samsung Galaxy SIII and S4 cellphone models.
dang looks like the EU is really cracking down on Apple if thats' the case. Apple has made it a goal to make their smartphones thinner in the past. So if this is the new rule, then yeah Apple is a little down on their luck.
I’m more a android guy but i also got a a iPhone 13 for two years and the same charger still works and lightning feels like it’s more locked in and durable than usb a or usb c
@@robmalcolm8042It just "looks" that way.. I have a working usbc cable from a Galaxy s9 The only iPhone in the house has had damaged cables 3 times in the same time.
@@absolutium type c can last a while but just from my own experience it seems lightning fits more secure in the slot than type c. The cables can be weak but mine has lasted you just can’t yank them since they are thin if u use the standard one other ones are stronger
@@robmalcolm8042 Here is the trick.. the UsbC port is strictly designed to put wear on the male conector yet that part of the cable is 8 times more durable than it's predecessor. A lightning port wears both parts of the connector needlessly since the male connector is attached to a weaker cable regardless of the brand due to the low data transmission rates limited by the 8 pins on said connector against the 12(+12) within a modern USBc
For the people who complain about Apple "changing the connector again" so are you saying nothing should ever change? What is an acceptable time frame for a company to change things up? If Apple did not have to change to USB C should they keep the lightning port until 2050?
I don't think really anyone is complaining lol. He mentioned that in his vids, but I am in a ton of Apple forums and I haven't seen anyone mention "change again". Some are bummed that their invested cables are essentially obsolete after upgrade, but the vast majority understand change is inevitable.
"Government regulation is a scary precedent", U will get a lot of hate for this but u are spot on. Obviously Im happy that apple is finally switching, but it's clear all the people who blindly support the EU laws know very little about how technology is actually made. It would be great if u could make a video on this, although as I said before, u will get a lot of hate for this because the internet blindly supports it (Just look at how much criticism MKBHD got for being slightly skeptical about the law)
I'd argue that changing the port to USB C is a bigger issue for most people than removing the charging brick. People often stick to what they like and what they're used to, and an iPhone user would've had to have gone 8 years without purchasing an iPhone in order to not have a cable they could use with their new phone. 2016 was when the iPhone 4S stopped receiving new software features, most apps stopping support for it in the next year or two perhaps. Changing to USB C would be a bigger inconvenience because it's not likely something that someone would have already from a previous purchase. Though I'd also find it hard to believe that someone doesn't have a single device in their possession from the previous couple years that recharges with USB C. I'm likely biased because my first two Apple devices were the iPod Touch 4th and 5th gen, neither of which came with a charging brick, and it's just a "use your computer's USB port for charging" or "get your own brick"
They should have just added a lightning to usb-c adapter in the box, most transitions from one port/cable to another would have been a lot smoother if companies did this during the transition period
@@memelord705 While that would be nice, the thing going against that argument is how universal USB C is among other products. Contrast that with Lightning being a completely new type of connector that no other device would have.
Apple went from thinking about consumers to all the way to thinking out of the box to make money 💰 and harass thier own consumers.Shame on apple's thirst for making terrible solutions just for the sake of making extra money, and people saying lightning cable shouldn't have been removed u need to get some therapy.
I am just waiting for someone with watt currency meter doing comparison non-apple usb-c charger vs apple usb-c charger... also teardown of their cable if there is MFi chip inside ALSO I am currious if they will sell re-edition of SE,13,14 (budget) with usb-c
USB 2.0 on iPhone 15. 15 Pro supports 3.0 but the cable shipped with it only supports 2.0, if you want 3.0 speeds then you will need to buy a compatible cable.
@@pepeshadilayThe USB 2.0 vs 3.0 has nothing to do with transfer speed, it is 100% to do with data transfer speeds. Basically, USB 2.0 maxes out at 480Mbps, while USB 2.0 can do 5Gbps, with more advanced versions being able to do 10Gbps, which is used in the iPhone, or even 20Gbps. There's also USB4, which does 20-40Gbps and USB4 Version 2 which goes up to 80Gbps
I love usb addition to iPhones because I hated lightning cables they always broke way to easily and not many of us in my family had iPhones so it always felt I was the odd one out
My only gripe about usb is that the female connector is physically more easy to damage than lightning was, a foreign inserted in the port can easily damage it. while it was possible with lightning it was harder to do.
Seeing people complain about the 15 series having usb-c is wild to me I know most people don’t know or care why a lightning is different from a usb-c but I feel like only needing one cable for everything is a huge selling point no matter how tech literate you are
This video completely skips Apple’s own hand in supporting the development of USB-C and marketing it. They were among the first to push it aggressively with their 2015 Macbook. They are also a part of the group of companies that collaborated to develop it.
Consider this comment the official petition for Apple to bring back the 30-pin connector (I want to use my old docking station from 2010 again)
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@Aperture2 if you watch the first couple minutes you'll see lol. 2:20
@Aperture2Because of the early models of iPods that used it since 2003. iPhone 2g didn’t introduce it.
@@91Techcould you Make a vid on the 2015 one port MacBook it had ssd failure keyboard failure it’s a good laptop I have one I like it
@stefanoliveira8718 eBay/elite obsolete electronics/amazon eBay is the cheapest eoe provides good cables and has a usb c to 30 pin
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I liked Lightning at the time. It felt like a port for the future: fast (at the time), reversible plug, and a secure and tactile fit without the meat hooks USB Micro B had.
USB-C just outpaces Lightning at every turn now, aside from the tactile fit which still feels really nice.
Sorry bro. The only reason why Apple was shoving that lightening port down your throat is because they have a patent for it. No one else can sell it unless they fork over a ton of money to Apple. Apple's getting money out of you one way or another.
USB C actually has almost the exact same physical latch as Lightning, only it's inside the connector!
Lightning was a weird and strangely long-lived connector. But it ultimately influenced USB C. While it wasn't particularly practical, it was definitely very pretty, with no holes, no sticky out bits in the phone. The plug is a solid piece of metal and the port is just a hole.
@@timotheatae Well did you know that the USB-C, Ligjtening and Micro-USB chargers all have a cable?
@@agoogleuser2507 ...not all of them.
@@agoogleuser2507 Why so salty? The guy was talking about lightning when it was released, which indeed was significantly better than anything else out there and also influenced many aspects of USB-C.
Came into this video wanting to know the history of how we went from the 30-pin to USB-C and ended up watching your most critical video about Apple on your channel to date. Plenty of big tech TH-camrs wouldn’t dare to make a video criticizing Apple (unless you’re Linus whose audience aren’t going to buy a Mac or Apple products in the first place). Maybe you could team up with Zackary Smigel regarding Apple & their business practices.
So true, never expected him to criticize Apple this much
Oh yeah, no one ever criticizes Apple. It’s definitely not a tired trope for tech TH-camrs to rant about apple in any video that features them or their products and mentioning how much better everything else is while they furiously jerk themselves off until they close their eyes and have an explosive 45 second orgasm as images of headphone jacks fill their minds. Afterwards, they get a call from Linus who, after spending 2-3 minutes of him berating his employees and being patronizing in general, congratulated them on the orgasm and mentions that he hasn’t seen ropes that long and thick since unbox therapy bent an iPhone with his bare hands.
But yeah, I 100% agree which is why I make sure to always like this exact same type of comment that’s always at or near the top of the comment section under any video that says something negative about Apple.
Plenty of reviewers criticize Apple and plenty of Linus's viewers use Apple products.
I love how Apple justified not giving the brick with the 12 iPhone series by saying: ''we all have the bricks we can already use''
And yet, the ONLY people that had fast charging were 11 Pro owners and people that had to buy the brick separately. Thus the vast majority of people were still on, even ancient by then, 5W meme of a charger.
and then samsung followed by removing the brick the year after coincidence?
@@mattbuffo9967 just because samsung doesn’t include it anymore doesn’t make it any less of a cash grab from apple, samsung, and any other company removing the brick
@@agoodname7089thank you! I’m tired of hearing people defend either company for it, when it’s just as scummy for Samsung to do it as Apple
Apple doesn’t want people using fast charging because it degrades the battery faster overtime.
ive been using a 5W my entire life since I was a kid with my original ipad mini in 2012. I probably will use a 5W for at least 5 more years of life mainly because when I upgraded my iphone to a 13 there was no cable that came with it. Yuh
3:40 what shocked me the most was that there was a battery pack for the iPod that used 4 AA batteries. How did I miss out on that accessory?!?! 😱
I never knew it existed
I'll save yall some time, it's cause of the EU
Eu asked and Apple updated port, no need to watch 23min video.
@@PaulValickasIts almost like some people are interested in detailed information and not just tabloid headlines.
@@maxonitethere's not really any needed info here. EU told them they had to change to type c or they wouldn't be allowed to sell there and they complied. this uploader is great, but he really didn't need to make a nearly 30 minute video on this.
@@PaulValickasEU did not ask they made it so they had to.
Ipad and macbook had em for years pretty sure they would’ve done it in time anyway…
You forgot the fact that lightning actually did support usb3 (5Gbit). When the 2017 iPad pro came out it had lightning but it did connect at 5Gbit. This was with a stock lightning cable. It was however the only device that did support 5Gbit over lightning that I know of. The way you could tell hardwarevice was that when you looked into the female lightning connector on the iPad you would see connection strips on both sides of the plug. All other devices had only connection strips on one side.
It was kind of a hack, though. The original spec only used the pins on one side of the cable, and they never released a lightning to USB 3.0 cable (the lightning to USB-C cables were USB 2.0 only). The only way you could connect USB 3.0 stuff to those iPad Pros was via lightning accessories, and they used both sides of the cable.
Even so, they also limited the power that they could output from that port, down to 5V 40mA. The USB 3.0 camera adapter had you connect a lightning cable for extra power, which was super annoying. If you had the USB 2.0 adapter you were SOL unless you had a device that happened to work with the low power budget (or used an unpowered USB hub to trick the phone/tablet into giving a bit more power)
I think apple learned their lesson from the first port transition. As you mentioned, apple introduced lightning as an entirely new connector that no one had at the time. Their old accessories and chargers wouldn’t work. With usb-c, apple rolled that in with the MacBook Air (2015), which did not make up a major portion of their sales. Manufacturers started making usb c accessories and then the industry followed suit on phones/accessories. Now the pain point is that apple should have transitioned the iPhone port a few years ago, rather than users complaining that they didn’t have usbc cords to use with their phones. Everything new has usb c, so users are integrating with an existing environment.
The 2018 iPhone XS was probably about the right time for a USB C iPhone
When lightning was introduced, old chargers still worked fine. The charging cable only changed on the iPhone side while the charger still had a regular USB type A socket.
@@Ni5ei And so do they now. You simply use the USB-C to USB-A cable you already have to charge your new phone with your old charger.
I don't think they did. If someone was forced to do something, do you really consider it them "learning their lesson"?
hate to correct you, but the MacBook from 2015 wasn't the Air, but a newer iteration of the standard MacBook. the Air didn't get USB-C support until the 2018 revision, as the previous one still had the original 2010 design with MagSafe
Fun fact: apple originally planned to have type c for the iPhone 5 and they supported development but because it took them too long to develop type c apple decided to make their own cable to meet the deadlines for iPhone 5 launch
let’s be real the 15 really feels like a (s) version besides the usb c
and it’s really reminding me when the iphone 6s got released
better camera
same design
more durable material
USB-C is looking very promising for a universal data/charging platform. It can stream high resolution movies to a home theater, it can store massive amounts of data in a small thumb drive, it can power an entire extension hub with every port in use, and so on.
USB-C in my opinion is a poor choice to be the unverisal port on technology devices
@@imguestie Why?
I’ll never forget the iPad 3rd gen to 4th gen update. I had JUST bought a 3rd gen literally 3 weeks before they announced the 4.
I. Was. Pissed.
R. I. P.
RIP, literally the worst timing possible
Eh, it’s not a dangerous precedence to let governments say use a common standard and make your products more repairable. It’s protecting the customer, which corporations absolutely will not do. Now if governments took complete control of corporations I’d have something against that. Corporations needs checks and balances, otherwise they will screw us all over.
Exactly. You can never expect corporations to self-regulate despite how much said corporations said they would. Corporations exists for profits not charity work. They are not your BFF and never was.
@@DarkZerol exactly, that’s why it’s good for governments to regulate corporations, we’ve seen time and time again how corporations will dump toxic waste, which then seeps into the ground water, this poisoning people. Corporations will get away with murder if they can, therefore regulation is important.
Depends. Imagine if the EU standerdized on USB A and micro B... C would have takes SOOO much longer to take off.
Great video! Love these types of videos, and music as always slaps!
As an Apple user, I was thrilled about the USB Type-C when I upgraded to the iPhone 15 Pro from an iPhone 11. Growing up, I faced so many issues with different ports. I owned a 2G, 3G, and a 4S, while my friends had newer models like the 5 and 6. My family wouldn't let me have a "good phone" in case it got stolen, which I understand. But it was frustrating needing to charge my phone and finding out nobody had the 40-pin connectors. When I got a phone with Lightning, nobody seemed to have one, except my friends who had already moved on to USB Type-C. I remember classes full of students arguing and trying to borrow a USB-C or a Lightning cable. Now that iPhones finally have USB Type-C, I'm excited, but then I realized I don't need to be. I'm not in school anymore; I don't have the constant struggle with friends over who has the right charger. Instead, I have my own charger that I always keep around my house.
My s23 Ultra is laughing at this... 😂😂😂
Love the video 💜 but please keep your breathing spaces in when editing your next video.
It will make for a much less tiring and more comprehensible story.
Imaginemetypingthiswithoutspaces.
My mom was actually very excited when I told my mom about the iphone 15 had usb c. Unfortunately she doesn't buy phones, she usually just get cheap phones from people who give them away when they upgrade, in fact, the newest phone she has ever had was the iphone x (before it was an old iphone, I'm pretty sure it was on ios 12).
Personally I'm an android user, but the only phones I've had were the galaxy s7, and the pixel 6a. When I got my 6a, I had to get a churching block as well as an audio adapter because it was the first device that anyone in my family has had that requires a good cord, not a cheap usb c cord, although I have no idea if it was the block or the cord, because I could charge it with my portable battery with my cheap usb c cord, or with my computer.
Watching this while setting up my New iphone 15 Pro max. Well done!
I think it’s a combination of your voice, tone, inflection, well researched videos and text that make me love your long form videos. Please keep them coming!!
I will save some time and say Apple changed the port not because USB-C is superior in sturdiness, is compatible with most modern ports today, or because you can have USB 3 and even thunderbolt transfer speeds (which for some reason Apple decided even with these MUCH faster speeds available with the USB-C technology, they would stick with ANCIENT USB 2.0 speeds). Apple changed the port because the EU essentially told them to do it or don't sell your phones in the EU. Changing the port had nothing to do with improving the phone for the end consumer. Lightning is SLOW, tends to break easily, and is proprietary. Apple would still be using an inferior port if they could because they make a lot of money selling proprietary lightning accessories.
Lighting was able to do usb 3.0 speed, the 2017 I pad pro lighting was 3.0
If Apple moved to USB-C via their own will they would of put a USB-3 controller in their A16 so the customers wouldnt be screwed when they moved over. But they didnt because they didnt anticipate moving to C.
@@framedthunder6436 Thats not true USB-3 or compliant with the standard. Lightning is 8 pins, where USB 3 is 9 pins. Official USB 3 support is not possible on lightning, and thats why they never tried to implement it. The iPad needed an adapter to support "USB 3", which only supported specific apple devices. It didnt do USB 3 on anything else, because it cant.
USB-c is superior in sturdiness? In your dreams
Argue with me if you can, but I think that between a solid piece of metal and metal with a hollow inside, I know which one is stronger.
So basically The EU forced Apple to switch to USB-C and people don’t like it
You got my like :)
I hate how many lightning cables slowly fail over time, whereas I've never had a microUSB or USB-C fail. Lightning just sucked.
Lightning 4-7 year
Was it the connector or the cable? If it was the cable it could be the silicone insulation on the cable that Apple uses and not the connector itself. USB cables usually are PVC which is quite durable.
This is in no way defending Apple, but the reason the 15 and 15 Plus have USB 2.0 because they used the A16 Bionic from last year which does not have the controller on the chip. This is why the 16 and 16 Plus will have it next year.
What’s wrong with defending Apple? It’s ok, you’re allowed to.
I’ve been waiting to upgrade. There’s been features that I’ve wanted but I told myself I’m waiting until iPhone get USB-C now I can keep the iPhone 15 for years to come. I can’t wait for it to arrive.
iPhone 5 was my first iPhone. I was always a blackberry before. Since sept 2012 I have gotten the newest iPhone on launch day. What a ride it’s been with iPhone
While this change will cause some headache right now, this is just a short term inconvenience. We’ll be way better off in the long run with this change.
No headache even for apple users, everything else apple makes already had USB-C for like half a decade
@@SidTheGamer0 only reason they made the change, they were forced to make the change. I am pretty sure they would have liked to keep it around to gouge people in buying their overpriced cables.
@hungryhungryagro if they were that arrogant they might've done the portless one, but I don't know how'd they sell that to pro-sumers especially with them advertising the 4k 60 fps pro-res
well, Apple did say during the keynote that the lightning will last for one decade. So, wish fulfilled....
When the EU says that USB-C has to be the charging port of devices, then all companies operating inside the EU Single Market have to abide by that
I just hope that the EU forces Apple to start including the charging bricks in the next iPhone models.
I still have a FireWire Dock Connector from the iPod Mini my parents bought the year I was born (04). Haven’t used it, because that mini died when I was like 3, but the USB dock connector is still in my life for my older nostalgia devices. I remember the lightning switch, and finally getting a lightning enabled iPad, it really was cool for some reason.
“consume content”
That sentence grind my gears to no end
In the future they’ll remove Bluetooth and come up with a new wireless solution in order to play hi res lossless audio.
But on the plus side to this is that the iPhone 15 users will now have a much more easier way of getting Type-C cables. Due to the fact that type-C has been around for at least 6 years now and Android phones are one of the leading devices to use them. So now when you go over to the charging cable section at your local supermarket you don't need to really look hard enough to find the right cable. Even then you might already have some lying around the house since you already have some other USB-C devices. At this point USB-C is now really becoming the default standard and is also slowly replacing the oldest Type-A.
cool video bro lol
thanks bro lol
ok lol
Great and informative and retro video and interesting output, Josh. And hope that Cola is well and dandy xx. 🇬🇧
Apple died when Steve jobs died. It was 1985 all over again for apple. Its just that everybody finally figured out that apple what's doing with the people wanted and people in Mass are usually behind the curve. I'm sure with the cash flow that Apple has it'll be a long time for them to bottom up this time but it is starting to fall apart and become unfocused like before. RIP Steve Jobs
When did he die
21:58 what did you do to the odyssey cover art 😭😭
great commentary 🙏
I've had to replace my iPad 5 times because using non-Apple USB-C to-USB C cables cauaes the device firmware to recognize non-Apple cables and then, over time, the device stops charging.
Thank you so much 😊
30 pin is actually faster then lightning, if it’s used over fire wire
These are the type of videos I want to see, so little of people will call Apple out on there BS!
Liked and commented to maybe help the TH-cam algorithm a bit more. Nice video and some good points about Apple!
Does anyone know remember how hard the 30 pin connector was to clean? My charger would never fully go in
Hey really good content not the boring here's the iPhone 15 review nauseam... Anyway enjoyed it
The big difference this time is that a ton of people already have usb c cords. No one had any lightning cords for other devices.
my 2018 car is equiped with USB ports still gona need lightning to usb for years to come or usb c to a
Yeah usb c to usb a cables are very common and not so expensive
USB C eventually will replace USB A completely......
.it also will replace HDMi eventually also .it is superior to HDMi is Every way ......
USB A shouldn't be a thing besides compatibility. Companies that ship with a brick should just switch to USB C chargers.
@@claudiobizama5603 I think it's mostly still around because of the legacy international markets
@@claudiobizama5603 I think he is referring to and old car. My 2020 Mazda cx-3 still has usb a ports and I’m not planing on upgrading just because usb c ports on the car
Good opinions thanks again
my mum bought the ipad 3 in july 2012
kept going until 2018 or so
served us very well considering we had it updated all the way to ios 9
As others have said - it’s cuz of the EU. And in a couple years, they will have replaceable batteries because of the EU.
And thank god for that. I remember when my Samsung note 3 had a plastic back that allowed you to change your battery whenever you wanted; made it last for about 7 years. The only reason I upgraded was because my charging port finally died on it and I couldn’t get it fixed, so I was forced to upgrade to the Galaxy s20, which has the battery permanently installed inside the phone. I was so pissed off about that and still can’t get over it today
@@lacosta0892 You could have done wireless charging. I had a note 3 and Note 4. You just have to add the wireless receiver. That would have saved your charging port
I like my stuff to be waterproof. I don’t really care about anything else.
@@thejpkotor I think most phones that are sealed are already to some level of water resistance. Even if they aren't water seal phone cases have been around for ages. Even phoes that had plastic removable backs had an IP rating. The plastic Galaxy s5 which was realeased in 2014 had an IP67 rating.
iphone 15 and 15plus use the A16 chip... a chip made for iphone 14pro and pro max... phones wtih lighting ports... that chip doesn't have a USB 3.0 controller because it didn't need to have one
@91Tech, how old were you in 2003? Just wondering lol
Lightning was wayyyyyyyy better than usb micro
And to be honest it's not much worse than usb C,,,,.
Physically, it’s better than USB c but the fact that usbc is universal makes it the right choice
The iPad 3 was the very first iPad I bought. 5 years later got the iPad Pro 9.7 inch. 5 years later again, got the iPad 9th gen and that’s where I am today! Love what I have right now until I’m ready for another one!
Great video, I think the iphone 15 lineup is good, however, I currently am using an iphone 14 Promax & plan on keeping it for at least another year. I'm looking forward to the 16 series.
We're privileged to have a usb-c cable in the box, rejoice!
So, if you didn't have plenty of them already, you get just another one.
@@Nikiokoand they pretty worthlessly slow one for the matter
people get surprised when i charge my phone with my "laptop cable"
I still have an 8 Plus, and I’m still pretty happy with it. I don’t need 4 cameras, I like my home button and it’s still fast. I don’t use lightning to charge, I charge wirelessly, but I do use the lightning adapter for headphones.
I wish more people were like you instead of those fools who buy the new phone every year , wasting thousands of dollars and the planet, just to impress the neighbour.
@@Blackadder75 Pretty sure that is most people these days, I don't personally know anyone who gets a new one every year, or even every two years.
Why does the Thumbnail on the left say 2003 when the iPhone Released in 2007?
dock connector > mini usb, lightning > micro usb, USB C > all previous ports
lol the 2023 one isn’t even a brand new cable you could probably use a usb-c cable that is used for a android for the new iPhones!
Recieved my 15 pro 3 days ago, after 6 years with the iPhone X.
The only downside of USB-C, compared to Lightning, is that i have the feeling that it doesn't feel as "snappy" when plugging the connector into the port. it's not as tactile.
it's nice that you don't have to find someone with an iPhone if you want to give your phone a quick charge, though. everything else i've been doing wirelessly for years now.
Using a 6s in 2024 it’s very frustrating every time my lighting cord gives error “accessory not compatible “ and I have to keep buying a new lighting cord with same issues
He’s right I was recommended from a friend I didn’t find this on its own
Technically we can't say that the iPhone charging plug was around in 2003 because the IPhone wasn't released until 2007. However, a better title for the video might be "The History of the Apple charging port/cable". The reason I say this is because the cover graphic is sort of "wrong" in that the iPHone did not exist in 2003.
It's not like USB C cables are hard to get ...
Yep. I miss Steve jobs. iPhone would be better today then what it is now
Same I miss Steve Jobs apple has been ruined with Tim Cook
Great video
Thank the tech gods, I would never see the day but USB-C iPhone !!!!!! Thanks to EU 😁
Now I'm gonna use my Xiaomi charger into an apple phone now (joke)
Let's not forget that "the new iPad" (iPad 3rd gen) was the reason the ipad 2 didn't get the fancy blur UI effects because the higher resolution meant "the new iPad" had to process 4 times as many pixels, but the jump in processing power wasn't enough for a good experience, thus they never included the real time effect on both the iPad 2 and "the new iPad"
Btw, the first iPad mini has the A5X, just like the iPad 2, but it did come with those effects working perfectly fine. You could also jailbreak your iPad 2 to unofficially activate it and it worked fine too
Exactly why I liked the lightning and not the usb c. Because it waa cool when iPhone introduced to us this reversible charging port. But 2 years later, USB C came out, meh felt like it's just copying lightning
I still use an iPhone 6s. I recently had the screen repaired and I am not upgrading until it breaks. I hope lightning cables stay easily available if I need a new one
the iPhone 15 model only supporting USB2 speeds was a surprise to no one... not sure why you think it is so stupid. we all knew that device would ship with the A16 bionic from the previous year's iPhone 14 pro. which had a USB2.0 controller. they weren't going to redesign the A16 bionic with a new usb controller. so Apple could have only introduce USB-C on the iPhone 15 pro, or... they could release iPhone 15 with USB power delivery, and USB2.0 speeds. I think they made the right choice. and as a iPhone user that hasn't used a cable for anything but charging since iPhone 5S, I don't care what the transfer speeds are anyway. This is a non-issue for just about everyone.
Well. I have 3 different bricks. one from iPhone 7, one from iPad mini4, with USB A. one I bought yesterday, 20W thing with USB C.
Love how apple made it sound like they did usb-c out of the kindness of their hearts and not that they were forced into it.
The difference is that lighting was a new and proprietary cable. Usb-c is a more common and open cable. So there will be no big backlash.
My issue with the usb-c is the durability over time. I just bought the iPhone 14 Pro Max one terabyte back in September.
from reviews, they are using a braided cable which is usually thicker and less prone to damage.
the plug itself is stupidly easy not to screw it up, where as lightning ports are easily bendable if you accidentally plug it on the wrong side. Also I am sure you have usbc cables lying around. No need to overspend for a proprietary lightning cable.
@@Xanatos0504 that is one of the issues that’s easy fixable but my issue is the connection inside. The phone has a tendency over time to break off and wear out and at that point you’re looking at a new phone. And yes, you can use a USB-C on both sides just as a lightning table.
@@jacoby1234ificationMore than 3 years with my iPhone 11 and no breakage. You are not taking care of your phone very well then
@@jacoby1234ification The one benefit of USB-C over lighting is not only can use it on both sides, you can also use it on both ends.
@@jacoby1234ificationusbC is more durable than you might think. I'm still using a Samsung Galaxy Note 8 which was the first of the Note series to support usbC and that connection still works flawlessly. The only thing is you have to clean the port from time to time.
Apple finally stoped trying to do soo damn unique and actually put a usb type c port :)
Nice
i loved my ipad retina. but i still was on my iphone 4 so to me it made sense to buy it and i didn’t go to the iphone 5, i went to the galaxy s3. I also pre-ordered the ipad retina, so i had it day 1
Did I just hear you say “cahveats” for caveats lol😂
But yet, Apple was actually smart to produce the Lightning connector, since it was *WAY* more durable than the original 30-pin connector. Apple originally went with USB Type C on their MacBooks and iPad Pros due to the need for higher-speed I/O connectivity; it's only the EU regulation that the iPhone now uses the USB Type C port.
By the way, expect the iPhone to be '"thicker" possibly as early as the iPhone 16. Reason: the new EU requirement for easily replaceable battery packs on portable devices, which will require Apple to make the iPhone (and all iPads and MacBook laptops) to be thicker to accommodate the ability to easily swap battery packs like the old Samsung Galaxy SIII and S4 cellphone models.
dang looks like the EU is really cracking down on Apple if thats' the case. Apple has made it a goal to make their smartphones thinner in the past. So if this is the new rule, then yeah Apple is a little down on their luck.
I’m more a android guy but i also got a a iPhone 13 for two years and the same charger still works and lightning feels like it’s more locked in and durable than usb a or usb c
@@robmalcolm8042It just "looks" that way.. I have a working usbc cable from a Galaxy s9
The only iPhone in the house has had damaged cables 3 times in the same time.
@@absolutium type c can last a while but just from my own experience it seems lightning fits more secure in the slot than type c. The cables can be weak but mine has lasted you just can’t yank them since they are thin if u use the standard one other ones are stronger
@@robmalcolm8042 Here is the trick.. the UsbC port is strictly designed to put wear on the male conector yet that part of the cable is 8 times more durable than it's predecessor.
A lightning port wears both parts of the connector needlessly since the male connector is attached to a weaker cable regardless of the brand due to the low data transmission rates limited by the 8 pins on said connector against the 12(+12) within a modern USBc
I had to get a separate charging block to charge my current phone because it made all of mine useless, but didn’t have to do it for my iPad. 🙃
Thunderbolt Lightning cable on IPad 10.9 inch pro
I phone is like going back in time!
For the people who complain about Apple "changing the connector again" so are you saying nothing should ever change? What is an acceptable time frame for a company to change things up? If Apple did not have to change to USB C should they keep the lightning port until 2050?
dont care abt this change tbh, will probably be using this iphone 5 until 2030
@@georgewashington6171iPhone 5 cant use TH-cam app
I don't think really anyone is complaining lol. He mentioned that in his vids, but I am in a ton of Apple forums and I haven't seen anyone mention "change again". Some are bummed that their invested cables are essentially obsolete after upgrade, but the vast majority understand change is inevitable.
I like lightning and I prefer android and type c for more availability to devices but lightning to me seems durable.
@@robmalcolm8042 Yep. It is difficult to argue against that fact. Lightning is indeed more durable than USB-c and is a better port design wise.
About time!
"Government regulation is a scary precedent", U will get a lot of hate for this but u are spot on. Obviously Im happy that apple is finally switching, but it's clear all the people who blindly support the EU laws know very little about how technology is actually made. It would be great if u could make a video on this, although as I said before, u will get a lot of hate for this because the internet blindly supports it (Just look at how much criticism MKBHD got for being slightly skeptical about the law)
I'd argue that changing the port to USB C is a bigger issue for most people than removing the charging brick. People often stick to what they like and what they're used to, and an iPhone user would've had to have gone 8 years without purchasing an iPhone in order to not have a cable they could use with their new phone. 2016 was when the iPhone 4S stopped receiving new software features, most apps stopping support for it in the next year or two perhaps.
Changing to USB C would be a bigger inconvenience because it's not likely something that someone would have already from a previous purchase. Though I'd also find it hard to believe that someone doesn't have a single device in their possession from the previous couple years that recharges with USB C.
I'm likely biased because my first two Apple devices were the iPod Touch 4th and 5th gen, neither of which came with a charging brick, and it's just a "use your computer's USB port for charging" or "get your own brick"
They should have just added a lightning to usb-c adapter in the box, most transitions from one port/cable to another would have been a lot smoother if companies did this during the transition period
@@memelord705 While that would be nice, the thing going against that argument is how universal USB C is among other products. Contrast that with Lightning being a completely new type of connector that no other device would have.
Apple went from thinking about consumers to all the way to thinking out of the box to make money 💰 and harass thier own consumers.Shame on apple's thirst for making terrible solutions just for the sake of making extra money, and people saying lightning cable shouldn't have been removed u need to get some therapy.
I am just waiting for someone with watt currency meter doing comparison non-apple usb-c charger vs apple usb-c charger... also teardown of their cable if there is MFi chip inside
ALSO I am currious if they will sell re-edition of SE,13,14 (budget) with usb-c
Good vid.
Only og people that can like remember when the iPad and iPhone had the app videos
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But usb-c 2.0? Do you have to pay for faster usb-c?
USB 2.0 on iPhone 15. 15 Pro supports 3.0 but the cable shipped with it only supports 2.0, if you want 3.0 speeds then you will need to buy a compatible cable.
@@zachg9065the included cable not being 3.0 is just retarded but not surprising from Apple
The 2.0 means it charges at 2.0 amps the 3.0 means it charges at 3.0.amps.....
And faster bit rate file transfer speeds of you still use itunes
@@pepeshadilayThe USB 2.0 vs 3.0 has nothing to do with transfer speed, it is 100% to do with data transfer speeds. Basically, USB 2.0 maxes out at 480Mbps, while USB 2.0 can do 5Gbps, with more advanced versions being able to do 10Gbps, which is used in the iPhone, or even 20Gbps. There's also USB4, which does 20-40Gbps and USB4 Version 2 which goes up to 80Gbps
@@zachg9065 Sounds like an Apple thing to do!!! lol
I still think that lightning as a connector is sturdier, I’ve never seen them break or bend unlike usb c
I love usb addition to iPhones because I hated lightning cables they always broke way to easily and not many of us in my family had iPhones so it always felt I was the odd one out
My only gripe about usb is that the female connector is physically more easy to damage than lightning was, a foreign inserted in the port can easily damage it. while it was possible with lightning it was harder to do.
Seeing people complain about the 15 series having usb-c is wild to me
I know most people don’t know or care why a lightning is different from a usb-c but I feel like only needing one cable for everything is a huge selling point no matter how tech literate you are
This video completely skips Apple’s own hand in supporting the development of USB-C and marketing it. They were among the first to push it aggressively with their 2015 Macbook. They are also a part of the group of companies that collaborated to develop it.