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My experience is that my local store’s don’t have the price restrictions like an online store...that or they can better get around Benchmade’s policy and actually discount their blades when they want too...
There's actually a $9 knife at harbor freight that has g10, bearings and 8cr13mov. If they can do that any knife over $10 should be able to have g10 over grivory. With the size of Cold Steel knives they might be the exception.
@@tonyochoa7097 it's definitely the price. The lite versions aren't like Spyderco's lightweight versions. The lite versions all purposely use lower end materials to drop the price. That's how you get a 4" sr1 lite with very thick blade stock for $30.
I carry every single day, and use my knife all the time. There is a reason that Spyderco has earned a spot in my pocket, and relegated everything else to backup, or the drawer. Better design, good locks, great materials, and the best selection of steels available.
Everything you said is true I like Spyderco to I own several! But Spyderco‘s warranty is not as good as Benchmade‘s not even close!! They do make a damn good knife there he treatments are done very well just like Benchmade but for me, I like the long Road relationship with the knife company if your warranty isn’t very good because after all, we all know people that totally miss use knives Benchmade don’t care they will replace the blade with no questions asked spider call will not replace the blade. They will modify the blade to make it work again, and I know that from first-hand experience and I feel as much money as you pay for Spyderco you should get the same warranty is Benchmade but again they don’t do that. I don’t abuse my names so it don’t bother me but if I was the one that did abuse knives, Benchmade, hands-down would be the one I would buy and that’s it.
Spyderco makes some of my favorites but their customer service sucks. I sent a knife to them needing new plastic washers. They told me they couldn’t fix it. They offered me a 20% off of there high msrp price to buy a replacement. All I needed was $4 plastic washers.
I agree with you on some things with Spyderco yes they have the best selection of steels available for sure, and they do decent heat treatments on those steels, but their warranty is not as good as Benchmade‘s not at all look it up if you don’t believe me. I own several Spydercos, myself, and several, but Benchmade’s, there’s something to be sad for not doing so many steels like they become really good at heat, treating the steels that they have. That’s why S30V from Benchmade always outperforms S30V from spyderco. Now I agree Benchmade’s prices have gone through the roof and I do feel like that is going to hurt them in the long run whereas spidercos pricing has been somewhat the same yes still going up, but not as much going up, but not nearly as much as Benchmade.
Another good opinion vid. IMHO Benchmade have been overpriced & poor value for a couple of years now. I've noticed they've been thinning out their blades. They try to spin it about better slicing performance etc. but I don't buy it. The cynic in me feels this is a silent cost cutting measure. Pay more get less. Same applies for use of FRN etc. for handle scales. If budget brands can use G10 & micarta for $50 why can't Benchmade? I'm NOT saying don't buy, just consider if you're getting value for $$$.
Agreed on the materials/cost ratio - at least Hogue made their FRN Magnacut Dekas a low price - that way you can customize and still keep it under $200.
I just realized that the tagged out from benchmade is the same exact price as the new Spyderco pm2 S45VN so believe that this was meant to be the direct competitor um I don't think anyone would say that the benchmade is the better knife between these two
Yes I agree,..... bought a Benchmade Hidden Canyon Hunter @ $235.00🗡🗡🗡🗡 When it arrived I looked it over. Upon inspection it felt like a kids toy made in China. I promptly put it back in the shipping box and sent it directly back!! In its place I bought a Bradford 3 Sheepsfoot with jade scales Bohler 690 steel and blackwashed blade. What a simply gorgeous well made EDC. fixed blade,...it's simply awesome and I love it!!! I also own and love three other fixies,...first is the ESEE Xancudo,..simply beautiful and rugged!! As well imown the ESEE Izula in s35vn with custom scales from Knife Connection,...it's a beautiful beast of a knife. Lastly I own a Spyderco Enuf with a 2.75" leaf shaped blade,..the knife has been discontinued by Spyderco,...that being said I'm sooooo happy I purchased one before the cut in production. The good news is you can still get in in drop point or warncliff blade type. Yep Benchmade,.. you can take ALL your cheaply made,...overpriced "knives" with crapvory plastic scales and put them all where the sun never shines. And as well stop supporting the communist party with your huge donations, . .Spyderco is patriotic so guess whitch one I buy from,....yep,...you win a cigar it's spyderco FTW. Baby!!! Ok my rant is over,..nuff said🗡
Your comments (re Canada and Cables etc.) resonated with me and I subbed. How about a video specifically about Canadian knife enthusiasts? Tips on how and where to buy in the States, etc.
Benchmade is trying to molest its customers as quietly as possible. I'm convinced them trying to make another "world's most lightweight pocket knife" is really just them cutting down on materials and pumping up profit margins. But don't take my word for it. I've hated Benchmade for the longest time. I despise my custom shop MCR. The Superfreek is their best knife by a MILE. I'm sorry but I'm gonna make a blanket statement... when I meet "knife guys" who say Benchmade is their favorite brand, has the highest f&f, etc..., I use it as a very safe proxy to judge their intelligence... and it's not positive.
i bought two bugouts. both had issues. 1) blade would not center. 2) premium model with carbon scales and s90v would not even cut paper. no more BM for me
The only thing I don't really agree with you on is blade steel thickness. I'm very welcome to more edc knives with thinner blades that cut better. They need to be in a steel that can handle it though like 3v or m4 in the bailout.
Just about every folding knife these days has too thick of a blade to cut well. Especially Cold Steel and I'm a big fan of Demko Cold Steel knives. If Cold Steel used 3v instead of s35vn in their folders and ground them thin behind the edge they would be difficult to beat in the market when it comes to knives that just work.
Glad to watch this one. So many knife tubers claiming these are the greatest thing to spend money on. Some manufacturers are coasting on their reputations. I get that USA made comes with higher labor & material costs but some are pushing lackluster products cause you hafta have new models.
i don't think they are going for lightness with the Taggedout. But rather for lightweight and great cutting performance. I would love to test the taggedout. the thin stock, the thin grind...but the price they want for frn and 154....a bit too much for my taste. That freek....man! That knife looks awesome
Its like paying 180-200 for a pair of Jordan shoes. You are paying for the name. Its a 50 dollar shoe marked up due to demand. If people would stop buying Benchmades for 200-300, then the prices will come down.
I've got everything laid out on that table,and then some-here are my preferences-doug ritter rsk for hard use,taggedout for edc.The taggedout is PERFECT ,(for me),for everyday use-a full size knife,razor sharp slicer,at TWO POINT TWO OZ!Your take on grivory is not uncommon,but thats stuff has been proven to be incredibly resilient.. Between the ritter and the tag,well,duh,I would take the ritter
I love the redoubt I'm just waiting for those awt scales socks that I gotta spend extra to make it feel great . I feel like cpm d2 is solid as fuck I have been using it everyday cutting all sorts of material and haven't had to sharpen it. It's a great user if you do that .
After buying a 940, griptilian and a bugout I'm not likely to buy any more benchmade knives. The only one I haven't had quality control issues with has been the griptilian. Done with the butterfly tax, done with the cheap ass handle material and would not recommend any of their products.
@@holdernewtshesrearin5471 this may sound like a stupid question, but did you try adjusting the pivot? Are you sure it's lock rock and not just a little blade play?
@@17_plus_WON - yes I'm sure. It's not pivot play, it's actual lock play. It appears the Axis lock cross bar is bottomed out in its travel before all blade play on the blade tangs ramp is removed. A first for a Benchmade Axis lock for me. The warranty department will take care of it I'm sure, I just haven't sent it in yet.
Your experience with the tag out was the same as my experience with the Hogue magnacut deka with the cheap ads plastic scales. As a matter of fact I would have immediately returned it if I didn't see that there were aftermarket scales for it. Well I should have ordered those scales immediately because now they're on a 2-month wait for scales to replace those cheap ones
I have the shoot out and the tag out and I had the same feeling as you plus I waited for months to get them but I have to say the tag out is super slicy and it's blade is longer than the bugout, and it is super light weight , buy it has terrible action the thumb hole is to small and it cost to much but I still have a place for it in my EDC knives I just like that it has a truly full size blade.
And Kevin remember Benchmade‘s warranty is phenomenal. I’ve used it several times broken blades broken parts fixed with no questions asked and I’ve never paid more than $30 to have a blade replaced and no questions asked Spyderco does not do that. Don’t modify the blade to fix it if you want another blade, you have to pay for it, so yes, I can understand why their knives are so expensive because they take care of their customers.
if they were worth their price, you would neve have had to use that warranty. Good quality does not have to inflate price to cover ongoing repairs. Hello! KnifeMaker
@@michaell397 I’m going repairs? What are you talking about? It was an omega spring out of 15 years of have another use of them one time for something that gets used to all the time I don’t think that’s a big deal.
@@michaell397 name me one thing in this world that doesn’t need to be fixed every so often Ferraris break down a not worth the price think about what you just said!
I totally understand what you're saying. I just got my first Benchmade on saturday, a Grip in 20CV from knifecenter for $115 which is a great price don't get me wrong BUT. I didn't expect to find mold release marks on the scales. My Endura 4 in FRN scales doesn't have those...
I’m pretty sure that apple phone rhing was shown ro be a set up of some kind. About cabellas the high knife prices make me wonder what else is too high there. On the other hand real pheasant loads are almost impossible to find outside cabellas. 12 ga #4 1400 fps loads.
In a bunch of interviews the Benchmade representative said the tag out was a hunting knife version of the bugout so I don't know why you were surprised that it was super thin (i.e. like the bugout). The redoubt, to me, has always looked a little strange so I personally was never interested in it from the beginning. I will concede that Benchmade charges way more for most of their knives than the knives actually cost to make.
@@Kevinclearysharpstuff yea .90 thou is thin but it's supposed to be super slicey. I don't know about you but I don't need 3/16 stock to use as glorified box cutters!
I have grivory/frn superco and benchmade. I don’t see what the big deal is I think it makes a great working knife material. Just doesn’t feel fancy I guess
I own a redoubt and the handle is terrible. Very difficult to get it in and out of the pocket. The blade is fine. That handle has to go though. Plus it's too expensive. You can get many better knives for that price.
Definitely can who is actively involved in the knife community and who isn’t. BM discontinues amazing knives for the sake of building crap. Whoever is making these design choices at BM needs to get fired.
When g10 becomes expensive is when machining the contours. Plastic can be molded and can have very complex contours for cheap. Now when there's minimal machining then the g10 shouldn't cost much more
Well IMO this is the problem with a lot of American made knife companies they always say we gotta price em high bc we're in America & have to pay our workers & China is killing us blah blah blah & I say that's bs! Here's a thought? How about instead of paying your C.E.O.s millions of $ every year for doing nothing how about you invest that $ into getting decent steels & materials that way you can make your prices for your products more competitive & more people might buy your stuff bc they can afford to ....hey man it's not the 80s anymore GREED is bad now days
I’ve had an M4 Bailout for the last year, ordered a Second because it will probably be $350+ USD in no time (Did the same with a Full-size Spyderco Military). Knives have become a “Bro” thing. People who didn’t care two minutes ago, all the sudden will pay top dollar for a Butterfly.
I agree. I think all their knives are over priced and their quality control stinks. The last BM I bought was the 942. The grind was way off, the pivot was loose and hard to get adjusted right for me, but it was very expensive. I kept it only because I love the feel of it and it makes a nice carry for for lightweight dress attire. But they have the last money they will get from me. I like Spyderco better, though some of their stuff is high too. But I love them very much. (been carrying my PM2 almost everyday for 7 years)
I've been consistently worn down with benchmades repeated "it's good enough " *shrug* mentality, from the outrageous acceptable blade play to unexplained and frankly unjustified price hikes. My first benchmade knife a griptillian literally came apart in my pocket, yes pieces floating around and everything. I went spyderco, I don't get the *meh* feel from an American made spyderco blade - side note, there are actually different G10 formulas out there, not all are created equal. The G10 on a petrified fish knife has to be lower quality than say the G10 on a American spyderco. VZ grips has their own formula they make knives out of and are near indestructible
The Benchmade Freek in your video is a cool knife, however the Houge made Ritter RSK in magna cut beats it like a drum at less than half the price. Benchmade has lost their marbles on their pricing for sure . I have a dozen or more Benchmade knives in my collection but no plans to buy another at current pricing.
Benchmade is shooting itself in the foot. Riding on the fame of the Axis Lock, which patent ran out, hence Hogue using better springs for the DEKA and SOG using their version of the Axis Lock. Benchmade's sharpening is horrible. It has been this way since 2012 at least. That is when I bought a Presidio Ultra and the grind was done by Stevie Wonder. Their Lifesharp service also takes 6 weeks now. You would think with a backlog of sharpening, that they would get good at it.
Agree with you 100%. Both of those knives look incredibly cheap; and that’s because they are. That grivory looks like a material suited for sub $20 budget knives. And yes, it is flexible which is not exactly a trait I consider an advantage in a knife- let alone one that’s well over $200. That handle on the Redoubt is especially hideous with that kitchen “vegetable scrubber” texture on the top. Both knives are a massive fail by Benchmade. Ultra cheap handle material, lower budget steel, and poor aesthetics make it extremely difficult to justify buying either when there are so many better options on the market.
For sure. I’ve completely lost interest in Benchmade’s stuff because of their uninspiring designs and iffy quality control alone, let alone the ridiculous pricing. They’re just not that special any more.
Hi Kev, the prices in Australia for folding and fixed blade knives are the same as in Canada, they are absolutely over priced and a rip off. Its a lot cheaper for me to buy knives overseas and that includes shipping costs. Take it easy buddy
Great Rant ...🤣😅 Totally Agree. I Love Benchmade and own a ton of them , But they are a Weird Company , it's like one of the Big Wigs down there has a Severe Case of Recurring Alzheimers and thinks he's back in the 80's , sometimes their pricing is Severely Off , almost like someone added a numeral to the price by accident , when I first saw those knives I thought they would definitely be under $100 easily because of the materials , But Nooo Benchmades have to be Double the Price ... It's Sad , but those knives probably won't be around long ....👍🖖
Love the late 90s era of Benchmade but have lost interest as thier prices needlessly increase. Thank you for your video of truth. Just opened a box delivered from CRKT while watching your vid. It is the Russ Kommer Catchall. Superb knife and only around $50!!
We all start somewhere and I had some benchmades but the second I got some quality knives I sold everyone I could as fast as possible overpriced and shittily made right in the us
It’s probably my fault for reading the world news before watching this video but I noticed that this hyper sensitive viewpoint illustrates the deterioration of civilization quite well.
Benchmade is a snobby company that overprices their knives. I own a lot of really nice knives, but I don’t own any Benchmades. Nice video. Needed to be said.
I just cannot pull the trigger on a Benchmade. I have handled more than several at SMKW over the years and the models that look good to me online feel flimsy in person and for 154cm and cheesy plastic I just can’t fork over $170. I have a few dozen knives and have owned more than 100 different makes and models over the years, and I can count on one hand how many times I’ve spent more than $170 on any given knife. And many of them using nearly the same combo of materials as Benchmade, for 60% of the price or less! I think it is just ridiculous price gouging! Again, my opinion.
Thank you. Bench made is not worth it. So overrated, overpriced, and the locking mechanism is overrated. The durability for hard use is suspect. Will not be buying a bench made anytime soon.
It's funny over the years I would keep spending more and more money to get a better knife but lately its been reversed, like I keep getting better knives and the prices get cheaper the better they are lol. Not counting the American companies obviously.
There are so many people saying plastic handles are super weak and fragile, but I have never seen one break. I've even seen the blade break before the plastic handle. Also on the price front, G10 itself isn't expensive, but as most things, it isn't that simple. All these plastic handles are moulded, which is very cheap and fast process once you have the moulds made and everything setup. G10 though has to be machined, which is much more time and labor intensive. They are made in the US, so labor is the vast majority of the price difference. I wonder where the economy is going if even americans can't afford american made products...
Benchmade I go aluminum with powder coating + s30v. Spyderco I love the FRN + k390. Except I quit buying Benchmade. Glock 78/81 is my favorite fixed blade.
What? Shitty quality and astronomical prices from Benchmade? I don’t believe you. 😉 Heh, anything else would honestly surprise me. Screw the Butterfly. There are far, FAR better US-made options available.
Benchmade is the only knife brand I know of who’s price increases have outpaced my rising comfort zone...
I agree with you and it’s a shame. I think they would sell more knives if their prices came down this is going to definitely bite them in the butt.
Same here. I 100% agree with you
I will not buy Benchmade from big box stores or mom pop shops, they hike the price up, better to use websites that offer military discounts...
My experience is that my local store’s don’t have the price restrictions like an online store...that or they can better get around Benchmade’s policy and actually discount their blades when they want too...
There's actually a $9 knife at harbor freight that has g10, bearings and 8cr13mov. If they can do that any knife over $10 should be able to have g10 over grivory. With the size of Cold Steel knives they might be the exception.
It's not the price they use grivory for,it's the WEIGHT
@@tonyochoa7097 it's definitely the price. The lite versions aren't like Spyderco's lightweight versions. The lite versions all purposely use lower end materials to drop the price. That's how you get a 4" sr1 lite with very thick blade stock for $30.
You're just paying for the name.
"Benchmade just crapped the bed" - spat my beer out laughing.. !!!
What do Amber Heard and Benchmmade have in common? They both crapped the bed.
I carry every single day, and use my knife all the time.
There is a reason that Spyderco has earned a spot in my pocket, and relegated everything else to backup, or the drawer.
Better design, good locks, great materials, and the best selection of steels available.
Everything you said is true I like Spyderco to I own several! But Spyderco‘s warranty is not as good as Benchmade‘s not even close!! They do make a damn good knife there he treatments are done very well just like Benchmade but for me, I like the long Road relationship with the knife company if your warranty isn’t very good because after all, we all know people that totally miss use knives Benchmade don’t care they will replace the blade with no questions asked spider call will not replace the blade. They will modify the blade to make it work again, and I know that from first-hand experience and I feel as much money as you pay for Spyderco you should get the same warranty is Benchmade but again they don’t do that. I don’t abuse my names so it don’t bother me but if I was the one that did abuse knives, Benchmade, hands-down would be the one I would buy and that’s it.
Spyderco makes some of my favorites but their customer service sucks. I sent a knife to them needing new plastic washers. They told me they couldn’t fix it. They offered me a 20% off of there high msrp price to buy a replacement. All I needed was $4 plastic washers.
@@joecorzine8057 I’m thinking of buying a BM. They will replace a broken blade for free or is there a charge besides freight?
I agree with you on some things with Spyderco yes they have the best selection of steels available for sure, and they do decent heat treatments on those steels, but their warranty is not as good as Benchmade‘s not at all look it up if you don’t believe me. I own several Spydercos, myself, and several, but Benchmade’s, there’s something to be sad for not doing so many steels like they become really good at heat, treating the steels that they have. That’s why S30V from Benchmade always outperforms S30V from spyderco. Now I agree Benchmade’s prices have gone through the roof and I do feel like that is going to hurt them in the long run whereas spidercos pricing has been somewhat the same yes still going up, but not as much going up, but not nearly as much as Benchmade.
@@TinyIslandMaine It used to be free, but have since upped the service. Pretty sure it's still a negligible charge either way.
Cannot agree more. I own lots of benchmades … stopped buying them a decade ago though for exactly what you detail in your video
I completely agree, that's why they call it the "butterfly tax" & Ive even had problems with their fit & finish
With the title I wasn't sure which plethora of subjects you'd be talking about.
Another good opinion vid. IMHO Benchmade have been overpriced & poor value for a couple of years now. I've noticed they've been thinning out their blades. They try to spin it about better slicing performance etc. but I don't buy it. The cynic in me feels this is a silent cost cutting measure. Pay more get less. Same applies for use of FRN etc. for handle scales. If budget brands can use G10 & micarta for $50 why can't Benchmade? I'm NOT saying don't buy, just consider if you're getting value for $$$.
I love the super freak but if I'm spending the money I'd rather get the ritter houge.
Yes also a great option and less money for basically the same thing
@james,dam straight
No reason why handles shouldn't be g-10. Amen, brother!
Agreed on the materials/cost ratio - at least Hogue made their FRN Magnacut Dekas a low price - that way you can customize and still keep it under $200.
I just realized that the tagged out from benchmade is the same exact price as the new Spyderco pm2 S45VN so believe that this was meant to be the direct competitor um I don't think anyone would say that the benchmade is the better knife between these two
3/16 is pretty damn thick almost 1/4 inch
Yes I agree,..... bought a Benchmade Hidden Canyon Hunter @ $235.00🗡🗡🗡🗡
When it arrived I looked it over.
Upon inspection it felt like a kids toy made in China.
I promptly put it back in the shipping box and sent it directly back!!
In its place I bought a Bradford 3 Sheepsfoot with jade scales Bohler 690 steel and blackwashed blade.
What a simply gorgeous well made EDC. fixed blade,...it's simply awesome and I love it!!!
I also own and love three other fixies,...first is the ESEE Xancudo,..simply beautiful and rugged!!
As well imown the ESEE Izula in s35vn with custom scales from Knife Connection,...it's a beautiful beast of a knife.
Lastly I own a Spyderco Enuf with a 2.75" leaf shaped blade,..the knife has been discontinued by Spyderco,...that being said I'm sooooo happy I purchased one before the cut in production.
The good news is you can still get in in drop point or warncliff blade type.
Yep Benchmade,.. you can take ALL your cheaply made,...overpriced "knives" with crapvory plastic scales and put them all where the sun never shines.
And as well stop supporting the communist party with your huge donations, . .Spyderco is patriotic so guess whitch one I buy from,....yep,...you win a cigar it's spyderco FTW. Baby!!!
Ok my rant is over,..nuff said🗡
Your comments (re Canada and Cables etc.) resonated with me and I subbed. How about a video specifically about Canadian knife enthusiasts? Tips on how and where to buy in the States, etc.
Benchmade is trying to molest its customers as quietly as possible. I'm convinced them trying to make another "world's most lightweight pocket knife" is really just them cutting down on materials and pumping up profit margins.
But don't take my word for it. I've hated Benchmade for the longest time. I despise my custom shop MCR. The Superfreek is their best knife by a MILE.
I'm sorry but I'm gonna make a blanket statement... when I meet "knife guys" who say Benchmade is their favorite brand, has the highest f&f, etc..., I use it as a very safe proxy to judge their intelligence... and it's not positive.
I really like the thin blade
I really want the Benchmade taggedout but not until aluminum handles come out.
What something is worth and what someone will pay are rarely the same thing and most knives are way overpriced.
We are gouged up here for sure. Went to a Walmart in Buffalo and got 6 decent knives for $300US. Would've spent almost $650 if i got em up here.
i bought two bugouts. both had issues. 1) blade would not center. 2) premium model with carbon scales and s90v would not even cut paper. no more BM for me
I agree with you about the price part. Although I don't mind the grivory in the bugout line. However I do like the g10 better.
My issue with that is it's a blatant effort to just squeeze more $ from consumers
If you think the prices are high in Canada, check the prices in Germany.
I agree. Main reason I moved to ZTs for my USA made production knives. Theres no comparison for price honestly.
The only thing I don't really agree with you on is blade steel thickness. I'm very welcome to more edc knives with thinner blades that cut better. They need to be in a steel that can handle it though like 3v or m4 in the bailout.
Just about every folding knife these days has too thick of a blade to cut well. Especially Cold Steel and I'm a big fan of Demko Cold Steel knives. If Cold Steel used 3v instead of s35vn in their folders and ground them thin behind the edge they would be difficult to beat in the market when it comes to knives that just work.
Kevin you want a high carbon steel knife for out door use like this one is advertised as. Look at all the fixed blades in carbon steels.
Glad to watch this one. So many knife tubers claiming these are the greatest thing to spend money on. Some manufacturers are coasting on their reputations. I get that USA made comes with higher labor & material costs but some are pushing lackluster products cause you hafta have new models.
i don't think they are going for lightness with the Taggedout. But rather for lightweight and great cutting performance. I would love to test the taggedout. the thin stock, the thin grind...but the price they want for frn and 154....a bit too much for my taste.
That freek....man! That knife looks awesome
Its like paying 180-200 for a pair of Jordan shoes. You are paying for the name. Its a 50 dollar shoe marked up due to demand. If people would stop buying Benchmades for 200-300, then the prices will come down.
Under what conditions does the grivory fail?
I've got everything laid out on that table,and then some-here are my preferences-doug ritter rsk for hard use,taggedout for edc.The taggedout is PERFECT ,(for me),for everyday use-a full size knife,razor sharp slicer,at TWO POINT TWO OZ!Your take on grivory is not uncommon,but thats stuff has been proven to be incredibly resilient.. Between the ritter and the tag,well,duh,I would take the ritter
I love the redoubt I'm just waiting for those awt scales socks that I gotta spend extra to make it feel great . I feel like cpm d2 is solid as fuck I have been using it everyday cutting all sorts of material and haven't had to sharpen it. It's a great user if you do that .
After buying a 940, griptilian and a bugout I'm not likely to buy any more benchmade knives. The only one I haven't had quality control issues with has been the griptilian. Done with the butterfly tax, done with the cheap ass handle material and would not recommend any of their products.
@@holdernewtshesrearin5471 this may sound like a stupid question, but did you try adjusting the pivot? Are you sure it's lock rock and not just a little blade play?
@@17_plus_WON - yes I'm sure. It's not pivot play, it's actual lock play. It appears the Axis lock cross bar is bottomed out in its travel before all blade play on the blade tangs ramp is removed. A first for a Benchmade Axis lock for me.
The warranty department will take care of it I'm sure, I just haven't sent it in yet.
Your experience with the tag out was the same as my experience with the Hogue magnacut deka with the cheap ads plastic scales. As a matter of fact I would have immediately returned it if I didn't see that there were aftermarket scales for it. Well I should have ordered those scales immediately because now they're on a 2-month wait for scales to replace those cheap ones
What is scales?
afaik the redoubts steel is CPM D2 not the usual D2, so there should be a difference in performance
My freak has that same brown spot its very irritating
I have the shoot out and the tag out and I had the same feeling as you plus I waited for months to get them but I have to say the tag out is super slicy and it's blade is longer than the bugout, and it is super light weight , buy it has terrible action the thumb hole is to small and it cost to much but I still have a place for it in my EDC knives I just like that it has a truly full size blade.
Also I have a D2 benchmade griptilian with grivory scales(Cabelas exclusive) that was a gift from my dad.
And Kevin remember Benchmade‘s warranty is phenomenal. I’ve used it several times broken blades broken parts fixed with no questions asked and I’ve never paid more than $30 to have a blade replaced and no questions asked Spyderco does not do that. Don’t modify the blade to fix it if you want another blade, you have to pay for it, so yes, I can understand why their knives are so expensive because they take care of their customers.
if they were worth their price, you would neve have had to use that warranty. Good quality does not have to inflate price to cover ongoing repairs. Hello!
KnifeMaker
@@michaell397 I’m going repairs? What are you talking about? It was an omega spring out of 15 years of have another use of them one time for something that gets used to all the time I don’t think that’s a big deal.
And again, no questions asked try to get that from spyderco
@@michaell397 comes down to this is a lot more people who love them hate them, they’re still businesses and doing well
@@michaell397 name me one thing in this world that doesn’t need to be fixed every so often Ferraris break down a not worth the price think about what you just said!
I totally understand what you're saying. I just got my first Benchmade on saturday, a Grip in 20CV from knifecenter for $115 which is a great price don't get me wrong BUT. I didn't expect to find mold release marks on the scales. My Endura 4 in FRN scales doesn't have those...
So MANY good folders out there-I get a headache some mornings just deciding what to carry for the day
Back in 2011 you remember the stuff they had back then! Those were the days. I quit buying benchmade crap
Hey Kevin, sorry about your day,......
Can you guys get SRM knives up there? How about a Ganzo?
They’re relying on the name to carry the business instead of a stand up product
I’m pretty sure that apple phone rhing was shown ro be a set up of some kind.
About cabellas the high knife prices make me wonder what else is too high there.
On the other hand real pheasant loads are almost impossible to find outside cabellas. 12 ga #4 1400 fps loads.
In a bunch of interviews the Benchmade representative said the tag out was a hunting knife version of the bugout so I don't know why you were surprised that it was super thin (i.e. like the bugout). The redoubt, to me, has always looked a little strange so I personally was never interested in it from the beginning. I will concede that Benchmade charges way more for most of their knives than the knives actually cost to make.
The Taggedout feels like a gas station knife, but it has thin stock for skinning.
Yeah I agree but its beyond thin
@@Kevinclearysharpstuff yea .90 thou is thin but it's supposed to be super slicey. I don't know about you but I don't need 3/16 stock to use as glorified box cutters!
I like thin blades for everyday stuff, but I don't like thin bullshit handles, especially anything like the bugout handle in grivory
Your preaching to the choir on this one.
A VG10 plastic handle Delica or Endurance for $100+ is ridiculous.
I have grivory/frn superco and benchmade. I don’t see what the big deal is I think it makes a great working knife material. Just doesn’t feel fancy I guess
it deff needed to be said, too much money for average stuff
I own a redoubt and the handle is terrible. Very difficult to get it in and out of the pocket. The blade is fine. That handle has to go though. Plus it's too expensive. You can get many better knives for that price.
Yeah, G10, check out CJRB. Under $40 with G10 & D2. Not fancy, liner lock, just cuts stuff.
Definitely can who is actively involved in the knife community and who isn’t. BM discontinues amazing knives for the sake of building crap. Whoever is making these design choices at BM needs to get fired.
When g10 becomes expensive is when machining the contours. Plastic can be molded and can have very complex contours for cheap. Now when there's minimal machining then the g10 shouldn't cost much more
It's called the Benchmade Tax...
I wouldn't buy a Benchmade if my life depended on it.
7:49 is always continuing. And start again?
Well IMO this is the problem with a lot of American made knife companies they always say we gotta price em high bc we're in America & have to pay our workers & China is killing us blah blah blah & I say that's bs! Here's a thought? How about instead of paying your C.E.O.s millions of $ every year for doing nothing how about you invest that $ into getting decent steels & materials that way you can make your prices for your products more competitive & more people might buy your stuff bc they can afford to ....hey man it's not the 80s anymore GREED is bad now days
I’ve had an M4 Bailout for the last year, ordered a Second because it will probably be $350+ USD in no time (Did the same with a Full-size Spyderco Military).
Knives have become a “Bro” thing. People who didn’t care two minutes ago, all the sudden will pay top dollar for a Butterfly.
I agree. I think all their knives are over priced and their quality control stinks. The last BM I bought was the 942. The grind was way off, the pivot was loose and hard to get adjusted right for me, but it was very expensive. I kept it only because I love the feel of it and it makes a nice carry for for lightweight dress attire. But they have the last money they will get from me. I like Spyderco better, though some of their stuff is high too. But I love them very much. (been carrying my PM2 almost everyday for 7 years)
why does the venerable griptilian have such chintzy scales?
Bro... just stop messing around having hopes in all these knives that will NEVER be better than the Boker Mermaid 🤣
You could buy a handful of spyderco in g10 instead of those two knives is my thought 🤔
Yeah I was done with Benchmade when they decided the Bugout should sell like they were made of gold.
The butterfly tax is out of control!
I've been consistently worn down with benchmades repeated "it's good enough " *shrug* mentality, from the outrageous acceptable blade play to unexplained and frankly unjustified price hikes. My first benchmade knife a griptillian literally came apart in my pocket, yes pieces floating around and everything.
I went spyderco, I don't get the *meh* feel from an American made spyderco blade
- side note, there are actually different G10 formulas out there, not all are created equal. The G10 on a petrified fish knife has to be lower quality than say the G10 on a American spyderco. VZ grips has their own formula they make knives out of and are near indestructible
Guys, what’s the knife above the super freek?
Kizer Begleiter XL button lock. I think it's a white mountain knives exclusive.
@@MitchBollig Thanks man 👍
The Benchmade Freek in your video is a cool knife, however the Houge made Ritter RSK in magna cut beats it like a drum at less than half the price. Benchmade has lost their marbles on their pricing for sure . I have a dozen or more Benchmade knives in my collection but no plans to buy another at current pricing.
Benchmade is shooting itself in the foot. Riding on the fame of the Axis Lock, which patent ran out, hence Hogue using better springs for the DEKA and SOG using their version of the Axis Lock. Benchmade's sharpening is horrible. It has been this way since 2012 at least. That is when I bought a Presidio Ultra and the grind was done by Stevie Wonder. Their Lifesharp service also takes 6 weeks now. You would think with a backlog of sharpening, that they would get good at it.
You are absolutely correct on all counts, my friend.
Long live the 560!
👍 🔪🍀 😎
Agree with you 100%. Both of those knives look incredibly cheap; and that’s because they are. That grivory looks like a material suited for sub $20 budget knives. And yes, it is flexible which is not exactly a trait I consider an advantage in a knife- let alone one that’s well over $200. That handle on the Redoubt is especially hideous with that kitchen “vegetable scrubber” texture on the top. Both knives are a massive fail by Benchmade. Ultra cheap handle material, lower budget steel, and poor aesthetics make it extremely difficult to justify buying either when there are so many better options on the market.
For sure.
I’ve completely lost interest in Benchmade’s stuff because of their uninspiring designs and iffy quality control alone, let alone the ridiculous pricing. They’re just not that special any more.
Hi Kev, the prices in Australia for folding and fixed blade knives are the same as in Canada, they are absolutely over priced and a rip off. Its a lot cheaper for me to buy knives overseas and that includes shipping costs. Take it easy buddy
Do you remember that 22 LR ammo? Always would like a deal and prefer not to spend all my money on minimags
Great Rant ...🤣😅 Totally Agree.
I Love Benchmade and own a ton of them , But they are a Weird Company , it's like one of the Big Wigs down there has a Severe Case of Recurring Alzheimers and thinks he's back in the 80's , sometimes their pricing is Severely Off , almost like someone added a numeral to the price by accident , when I first saw those knives I thought they would definitely be under $100 easily because of the materials , But Nooo Benchmades have to be Double the Price ... It's Sad , but those knives probably won't be around long ....👍🖖
I’ve never heard of or can’t even find the model knife you are referring to???
Tago Redo ???
Do you speak english?
Tagged Out and Redoubt
I had the same thang happened too myself only I got mine in the mail I own one so crappie
Love the late 90s era of Benchmade but have lost interest as thier prices needlessly increase. Thank you for your video of truth. Just opened a box delivered from CRKT while watching your vid. It is the Russ Kommer Catchall. Superb knife and only around $50!!
We all start somewhere and I had some benchmades but the second I got some quality knives I sold everyone I could as fast as possible overpriced and shittily made right in the us
It’s probably my fault for reading the world news before watching this video but I noticed that this hyper sensitive viewpoint illustrates the deterioration of civilization quite well.
I watched the review of the Redoubt on theapostlep channel and metal complex and they both liked it. I don't know.
Benchmade is a snobby company that overprices their knives. I own a lot of really nice knives, but I don’t own any Benchmades. Nice video. Needed to be said.
I just cannot pull the trigger on a Benchmade. I have handled more than several at SMKW over the years and the models that look good to me online feel flimsy in person and for 154cm and cheesy plastic I just can’t fork over $170. I have a few dozen knives and have owned more than 100 different makes and models over the years, and I can count on one hand how many times I’ve spent more than $170 on any given knife. And many of them using nearly the same combo of materials as Benchmade, for 60% of the price or less! I think it is just ridiculous price gouging! Again, my opinion.
There is a big difference between D2 and Cpm D2
Spyderman here...
Thank you. Bench made is not worth it. So overrated, overpriced, and the locking mechanism is overrated. The durability for hard use is suspect. Will not be buying a bench made anytime soon.
They need to take d2 off the menu also.
I mostly agree, its is good in terms of price per edge retention
It's funny over the years I would keep spending more and more money to get a better knife but lately its been reversed, like I keep getting better knives and the prices get cheaper the better they are lol. Not counting the American companies obviously.
There are so many people saying plastic handles are super weak and fragile, but I have never seen one break. I've even seen the blade break before the plastic handle. Also on the price front, G10 itself isn't expensive, but as most things, it isn't that simple. All these plastic handles are moulded, which is very cheap and fast process once you have the moulds made and everything setup. G10 though has to be machined, which is much more time and labor intensive. They are made in the US, so labor is the vast majority of the price difference. I wonder where the economy is going if even americans can't afford american made products...
I love the old benchmades, thats what got me into knife collecting, however their new stuff is overpriced hot garbage
It’s coming-d2 on the redoubt, not d2
Many companies are destroyed by their success. Benchmade should probably be working on a tanto for their upcoming seppuku. Too much for too little.
My 940-2 broke an omega spring after 1 month... talk about disappointing. Benchmade needs to wake up.
Benchmade I go aluminum with powder coating + s30v. Spyderco I love the FRN + k390. Except I quit buying Benchmade. Glock 78/81 is my favorite fixed blade.
Just buy those Chinese knives you were defending last week. 😊
I already did, I guess the only way you can get something good for less than $500 is make it in China :)
Actually I got an MKM and Esee
Twenty years ago Benchmade made a good knife. Their quality control has went to shit. Lol
What? Shitty quality and astronomical prices from Benchmade? I don’t believe you. 😉 Heh, anything else would honestly surprise me. Screw the Butterfly. There are far, FAR better US-made options available.