Regardless if you are a young earth creationist or old earth creationist, you shouldn't be confident in your belief, because you are making assumptions either way.
I completely agree. I wish the evidence supporting YEC was more available. They shouldn't teach these things as facts in school the students should be given both sides and allowed to chose for themselves which is more credible.
St. Augustine did not believe in a young earth with literal 24 hour days of creation, so why should we? From his "On the Literal Meaning of Genesis" "Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of the faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.”
Then how can we observe with established laws of physics that the age of the universe is very old, 14 billion roughly? The Bible doesn't teach old or young when it comes to the universe
The Hebrew word Yom means day. Depending on the context it means an indefinite period of time or a 24 hour day. The context of Genesis is clearly a 24 hour day. This is confirmed in Exodus 20. The 10 commandments say to work 6 days like God did in creating then rest for a day like God.
The Bible does not say that there was no death before the sin of Adam. Certainly plant cells died before the fall when they were eaten by Adam and Eve and the animals. Romans 5 does not need to be interpreted as spiritual death only, but it does seem to refer to man's (physical) death only. We are reading in our own thoughts when we say that Romans 5 is talking about the death of animals. It could be that animals did not die before the sin of Adam, but the Bible never tells us one way or the other. Also, didn't God give us two books of revelation--1) special revelation--the Bible, and 2) general revelation--the creation? Many, many young-earth creationists seem to think that God's general revelation is not trustworthy, and yet Paul claims that the non-believing world is without excuse for rejecting God's (untrustworthy?) general revelation. That seems to me to be unjust for God to hold accountable those who do not believe in that which is not true. But in reality it is true. Psalm 19 tells us that the heavens declare the glory of God. Can we believe what we see in the heavens? We see billions of galaxies so far away that it takes billions of years for the light to reach the earth. Is that testimony true or is it false? I have come to believe that the earth and universe are billions of years old, not because of biology or evolution, but because of physics, astronomy, and geology. I reject the concept of macroevolution. So, please stop calling all old-earth creationists evolutionists. We can reason that the universe is very old by the laws of the physical realm provided that the testimony of creation is true. Otherwise, the creator is deceiving us.
Death in the sense of the Bible is not the same way that you might define "death" as. Death in the Bible refers to anything with the breath of life, such as animals and people because they all have blood running through their veins. Even people do not regard "killing" a plant in the same way we view an actual animal getting killed or even a person being killed. So it would be dishonest to use the word 'death' in the same sense when you compare animals and people dying in comparison to us saying that plants die the same way as ACTUAL live beings such as animals and humans. No animals died in the garden of Eden because Adam and Eve never ate meat.
Correct , It says death came to humans through sin. Death could have come to humans by other means. There was a tree of life that was closed off after Adam and Eve sinned so they wouldn’t live forever.
I believe in macroevolution, I just don't know if God used it for creation. I believe God created macroevolution to prevent mass extinction. Without evolution, God would have to be constantly recreating animals to fill niches.
Wow , you got it all wrong. The Bible doesn't contradict itself, you just don't understand what a parable is and language can have limitations.. Well, I have news for you, Genesis 1 is hardly literal and is very incomplete. It is a parable and a prologue and history, at the same time. I have been watching a lot of Johnny Mac. He said something in a sermon I was listening to that I couldn't shake off. He , along with many "fundamentalists" view scripture, the bible as a whole as a book of poetry, law, allegory, story telling, parabolic...etc..etc... Sometimes literal, sometimes not. Challenging to say the least to know the difference, especially Genesis 1. Johnny Mac preaches that the earth was created in six 24 hour time periods. Well, he also says to test the spirits if they be true. I believe I discovered something rather incredible. It solves a few problems people have had with the whole creation vs evolution thing and old earth versus new earth. I am a die hard believer in creationism. And the reason is God said so. But what did He actually say about time? In the book of Genesis , Chapter 1, The first 6 days are explained as creation. The beginning of chapter 2 explains the rest from all the creation that just occurred by God. That rest is then declared as Holy. It seems up to this point is a prologue to the rest of the story. Continuing in chapter 2 it reads that in verse 4-7 that this is the history or story of the day the Lord made creation and man in. So in that verse , we come out of the prologue of the first 7 days, and back up, or prior to the 7th day. After God creates man, he tells him to not eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If he does, before the day is over, he will die. He ate the fruit. Adam died, over 900 years later. Did Adam die before the day was over? Did God lie? That is impossible. Only our understanding of His Word can be flawed. How does Adam live 900+ years and not die that day!?!??!? It must mean a "day" is not 24 hours to God. It also must mean we are all still living in the 6th day. The story keeps going... I was pondering the size of the universe and I ran across an image of the Andromeda Galaxy. Scientists estimate it is 2-4 billion light years away. Our sun is 8 light minutes away. We now understand that light travels at a rate. If the earth was created with everything else in the universe on day three, a literal 24 hour day, there's no way light from that distance would ever reach earth for us to see it. The view from earth would be darkness at night, the light from far away objects takes millions of years to reach us. Even the light from our own Milky Way Galaxy would not reach us in time to view the Glory of His immense creation. Time to an eternal being is meaningless. Psalm 90:3-4. There's that reminder, we turn back to dust. But brought right back to the time in the garden, at the fall and sins birth. Back to the 6th day. Just early in the day the Lord made. Isaiah 53:4-6. Isaiah was written long before Jesus ever came , but Isaiah, carried by the Spirit wrote about the servant of Jehova as if it already had happened. The whole chapter is written in past tense. It is considered by Hebrew scholars and Christian to be prophetic in nature about the coming of the Jewish messiah, The anointed one of God. It hadn't happened yet. It is written in past tense. (It doesn't matter here if you are a follower of Christ or not) It is written in past tense. You can remind your Jewish friends. Genesis 2:2-3. That is also in past tense. As if it already happened. It hasn't. This is also prophecy. We are still in the 6th day. Hebrews 4:7-10. If you hear His voice TODAY don't be stubborn. That will hold true, for us also tomorrow and the next day and the next day....Vs 9 says quite specific that God promised a Sabbath, that has not yet come! We are still in day 6! 2nd Peter 3 :8. A day TO THE LORD is like a thousand years and a thousand a day. Time is meaningless to God. Same as Psalm 90. Still not convinced? If you aren't, this one is undeniable. Isaiah 65:17. God is "creating new heavens and a new earth". Does that sound like He's resting, yet? 2 Cor 5:17. God makes new "creations" in Jesus. To this day. He isn't resting, yet. Still in the creating process. So to closeout this discovery that the earth could not have been created in 6 literal days, and that we are still in the 6th day..back to Genesis 1 : 31. By the end of the day, it was very good. Definitely better than good, as it started badly, with sin. We got a ways to go! Because he will have created a new heaven and earth, at the end of the 6th day. That will be very good indeed! Mathew 20:1-16 Describes the Kingdom of God and history in a parable that lasts a day and compares Adam and Eve and the Patriarchs and the prophets and Judges and the Kings of Israel and Judah, then the Apsostles and disciples and later believers all those who work the Vineyard at various times of "the day." Those who would be first, last. Those who would be last, first. I would imagine this viewpoint would be unifying instead of dividing. Chew on that for a while. Let me know what you think. I think it will become even more clear to you that we are all living in the 6th day as you read your bibles for yourselves.
To your light ramble God said let there be light on day 1 also creating the heavens (translated as moon sun stars etc) Yes time to an eternal being is meaningless but we aren't eternal and it's meaningful to us that's why it's in the Bible. The Bible wasn't written for God it was given to us Isaiah is a prophesy is written in past tense to emphasise the certainty that in God's eternal perspective he has foreordained these events The whole of the creation account is written in past tense not just Gen 2 2-3 all you have to do is look at the first verse of the bible To your Isaiah point God never said he would rest forever, read revelation 21 which this Isaiah passage points to. The end of Genesis 1 points to the evening and morning passing of day 6 just like day 1-5
@benhamilton6887 - So, answer the question...when God says Adam would die in "the day" he ate of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and lived for 930 years and then died.....eh? How do you explain that? Yes , I agree that the Scriptures were written for us to know the glorious Revelation of God. However, we should come to the Scriptures with humility, so we can come to understand Him and His will for our lives. I would say your points about time and perspective on the tense of verbs is valid, just misplaced when it comes to certain Scriptures. I could use the same point about "foreordained", I would say " predestined", but whatever, as some things predestined, have not happened yet. As the 7th day, in my humblest of opinions, has yet to happen. It will. Even though it is written in past tense in Genesis, as Isaiah was written in past tense. The Scriptures point to a 2nd coming of Jesus, we know that is future. We know it hasn't happened. Things would not be as they are if He had. Revelation 21:1-2. The first heaven and earth had disappeared, and so had the sea. Past tense. We know this hasn't happened yet. It's still prophetic, for us. So yes, creation is happening, and will continue to happen, until He rests. Is a "born again" disciple of Jesus a new creation or not? Is this not the work of God? The work of salvation and atonement is finished. That was the passion of the cross. But next came justification and renewal, all works of God, so no one can boast. He still works. Prove he doesn't.
Yes completely agree with you that God still works because he rested in the 7th day after that he continued his work. To comment on your Adam point I'm sure you've read about this more than I and know about the Hebrew word for die 'muwth'. If a physical death on the day as you describe would've happened only one use of the word would need to be used. The repetition of 'muwth' signifies puts a different emphasis. My Hebrew thought isn't comparable to the people who translated the Geneva Bible in 1500s who translated it as 'for in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt die the death.' Putting emphasis on this death being in the future. Seemingly showing Adams days being numbered from this day
@benhamilton6887 - I don't believe I need to be a Hebrew Scholar to understand the revelation of God. I speak English. I am not Greek. Nor Chinese. I believe God can get His message across to me in my language. What kind of God would He be if He couldn't? You can try to explain it away, due to your preconceived notions, I will accept it as is. A day to the Lord is like a thousand years. And a thousand years like a day. Our concept of time is for us. A day to Him we cannot grasp. God bless.
@@thomasouellette8987The sheer number of words you need to argue this point reveals how many circles false believers have to run around scripture in order to twist God’s Word. Regardless, I’ll take the bait and address one of the points you make: When God says, “for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die,” he’s saying that the moment he eats the forbidden fruit, he will be changed from a being that surely would not die into a being that surely would die. The words of that curse don’t necessitate that Adam’s death occur on the same exact day that he eats of the fruit. Additionally, on the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit, the process of cellular death entered creation. Accordingly, on the day he ate of the forbidden fruit, he began the process of dying.
When man sinned death passes on to all men only. Adam was removed from Eden and barred from reentry where the Tree of life was by sword wielding angelic beings. Outside of Eden there was always death because there was no Tree of Life there. You attack an old earth belief because that rids the earth of time for evolution. The earth was formless and void before day1. It took billions of years to get this far and then God prepared the earth for His special creation... MAN. Is this too hard for you to understand?
Even a universe that’s only 13.7 billion years old is not enough time for evolution to take place . Astrophysicist argue the change of the sun’s physics on the earth won’t allow it.
Why does there have to be a literal Adam? The Good Samaritan was not literal, he was a character in a story. A story the conveys a profound truth about caring for our neighbor, true charity, not caring about ethnic differences, etc. Adam was not literal, he is a character in a story. A story that conveys a profound truth about God's purpose, mankind's inherently sinful nature, man's place in God's universe, etc.
Have you not read the lineage of Adam to Noah and Noah to Abraham and Abraham to Jesus, our Lord and savior? There HAS to be a literal Adam that we inherit the consequences of his sin, that is indwelling sin.
The Bible also states that the Earth is flat or at the very least implies it. Why don't we believe in the flat-earth? The Bible speaks about the foundations of the world. The ends of the Earth etc.
It refers to foundations which doesn't imply flatness, but that God created a sound and stable planet. It also refers to the "circle" of the earth, which implies its spherical shape.
Nowhere does it imply a flat earth in the Bible. You have to do some deliberate twisting of what is obviously metephoric language to claim the Bible teaches a flat earth.
If you are in a church or with a group that is teaching the flat earth nonsense I suggest you get OUT immediately. There is no teaching in the word of God that teaches a flat earth. Not only does the Bible affirm the earth is a sphere, but that is one thing that has been beyond all reason been proven. If I had the means I'd get you in a jet and fly you around the globe, but you might still not believe it. There is something serious and spiritually wrong with those who hold to the flat earth hoax, My guess, is you really don't believe in satellites or the space station either or all the billions spent on the space program. You don't even need to go into outer space all the way to see the earth is not flat, but a globe just as all the other planets in the solar system. Get you a good telescope and see for yourself.
This is one of those topics where I have a lot of trouble. But in the scriptures and in nature, we must find what is the truth in humility and love.
Regardless if you are a young earth creationist or old earth creationist, you shouldn't be confident in your belief, because you are making assumptions either way.
I completely agree. I wish the evidence supporting YEC was more available. They shouldn't teach these things as facts in school the students should be given both sides and allowed to chose for themselves which is more credible.
We need more "Reasons to Believe" about this subject. btw the Earth is old, and Bible is not against it
Agreed
loved it
St. Augustine did not believe in a young earth with literal 24 hour days of creation, so why should we?
From his "On the Literal Meaning of Genesis"
"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience.
Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn.
The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of the faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.”
Well, Jesus and the Apostles referred to the Book of Genesis as historical events. So we should believe in it :)
Then how can we observe with established laws of physics that the age of the universe is very old, 14 billion roughly? The Bible doesn't teach old or young when it comes to the universe
Old Earth Creation is the way.
Thank you!
YEC is problematic too. Nowhere in the Bible talks about a day being 24 hours. 😊
Dude....that's awesome haha
"Nowhere" in the Bible is a day...a day
Yes it does many times.
The Hebrew word Yom means day. Depending on the context it means an indefinite period of time or a 24 hour day. The context of Genesis is clearly a 24 hour day. This is confirmed in Exodus 20. The 10 commandments say to work 6 days like God did in creating then rest for a day like God.
There's a morning and evening listed ..
@heidingai5378 I always ask how the Lord could gave been more specific haha. I mean how could you clear up confusion here?
Prove young earth
Prove old earth
He can't. He misses the mark by millions of miles!
The Bible does not say that there was no death before the sin of Adam. Certainly plant cells died before the fall when they were eaten by Adam and Eve and the animals. Romans 5 does not need to be interpreted as spiritual death only, but it does seem to refer to man's (physical) death only. We are reading in our own thoughts when we say that Romans 5 is talking about the death of animals. It could be that animals did not die before the sin of Adam, but the Bible never tells us one way or the other. Also, didn't God give us two books of revelation--1) special revelation--the Bible, and 2) general revelation--the creation? Many, many young-earth creationists seem to think that God's general revelation is not trustworthy, and yet Paul claims that the non-believing world is without excuse for rejecting God's (untrustworthy?) general revelation. That seems to me to be unjust for God to hold accountable those who do not believe in that which is not true. But in reality it is true. Psalm 19 tells us that the heavens declare the glory of God. Can we believe what we see in the heavens? We see billions of galaxies so far away that it takes billions of years for the light to reach the earth. Is that testimony true or is it false? I have come to believe that the earth and universe are billions of years old, not because of biology or evolution, but because of physics, astronomy, and geology. I reject the concept of macroevolution. So, please stop calling all old-earth creationists evolutionists. We can reason that the universe is very old by the laws of the physical realm provided that the testimony of creation is true. Otherwise, the creator is deceiving us.
Death in the sense of the Bible is not the same way that you might define "death" as.
Death in the Bible refers to anything with the breath of life, such as animals and people because they all have blood running through their veins.
Even people do not regard "killing" a plant in the same way we view an actual animal getting killed or even a person being killed. So it would be dishonest to use the word 'death' in the same sense when you compare animals and people dying in comparison to us saying that plants die the same way as ACTUAL live beings such as animals and humans.
No animals died in the garden of Eden because Adam and Eve never ate meat.
💯 YEC is one of Satan's greatest deceptions to send millions to he'll!
Correct , It says death came to humans through sin. Death could have come to humans by other means. There was a tree of life that was closed off after Adam and Eve sinned so they wouldn’t live forever.
I'm totally stealing general and special relevation. 😂
I believe in macroevolution, I just don't know if God used it for creation. I believe God created macroevolution to prevent mass extinction. Without evolution, God would have to be constantly recreating animals to fill niches.
Wow , you got it all wrong. The Bible doesn't contradict itself, you just don't understand what a parable is and language can have limitations.. Well, I have news for you, Genesis 1 is hardly literal and is very incomplete. It is a parable and a prologue and history, at the same time.
I have been watching a lot of Johnny Mac. He said something in a sermon I was listening to that I couldn't shake off. He , along with many "fundamentalists" view scripture, the bible as a whole as a book of poetry, law, allegory, story telling, parabolic...etc..etc...
Sometimes literal, sometimes not. Challenging to say the least to know the difference, especially Genesis 1. Johnny Mac preaches that the earth was created in six 24 hour time periods. Well, he also says to test the spirits if they be true. I believe I discovered something rather incredible. It solves a few problems people have had with the whole creation vs evolution thing and old earth versus new earth. I am a die hard believer in creationism. And the reason is God said so. But what did He actually say about time?
In the book of Genesis , Chapter 1, The first 6 days are explained as creation. The beginning of chapter 2 explains the rest from all the creation that just occurred by God. That rest is then declared as Holy. It seems up to this point is a prologue to the rest of the story. Continuing in chapter 2 it reads that in verse 4-7 that this is the history or story of the day the Lord made creation and man in. So in that verse , we come out of the prologue of the first 7 days, and back up, or prior to the 7th day.
After God creates man, he tells him to not eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If he does, before the day is over, he will die. He ate the fruit. Adam died, over 900 years later. Did Adam die before the day was over?
Did God lie? That is impossible. Only our understanding of His Word can be flawed. How does Adam live 900+ years and not die that day!?!??!? It must mean a "day" is not 24 hours to God. It also must mean we are all still living in the 6th day. The story keeps going...
I was pondering the size of the universe and I ran across an image of the Andromeda Galaxy. Scientists estimate it is 2-4 billion light years away. Our sun is 8 light minutes away. We now understand that light travels at a rate. If the earth was created with everything else in the universe on day three, a literal 24 hour day, there's no way light from that distance would ever reach earth for us to see it. The view from earth would be darkness at night, the light from far away objects takes millions of years to reach us. Even the light from our own Milky Way Galaxy would not reach us in time to view the Glory of His immense creation.
Time to an eternal being is meaningless. Psalm 90:3-4. There's that reminder, we turn back to dust. But brought right back to the time in the garden, at the fall and sins birth. Back to the 6th day. Just early in the day the Lord made.
Isaiah 53:4-6. Isaiah was written long before Jesus ever came , but Isaiah, carried by the Spirit wrote about the servant of Jehova as if it already had happened. The whole chapter is written in past tense. It is considered by Hebrew scholars and Christian to be prophetic in nature about the coming of the Jewish messiah, The anointed one of God. It hadn't happened yet. It is written in past tense. (It doesn't matter here if you are a follower of Christ or not) It is written in past tense. You can remind your Jewish friends.
Genesis 2:2-3. That is also in past tense. As if it already happened. It hasn't. This is also prophecy. We are still in the 6th day.
Hebrews 4:7-10. If you hear His voice TODAY don't be stubborn. That will hold true, for us also tomorrow and the next day and the next day....Vs 9 says quite specific that God promised a Sabbath, that has not yet come! We are still in day 6!
2nd Peter 3 :8. A day TO THE LORD is like a thousand years and a thousand a day. Time is meaningless to God. Same as Psalm 90.
Still not convinced? If you aren't, this one is undeniable. Isaiah 65:17. God is "creating new heavens and a new earth". Does that sound like He's resting, yet?
2 Cor 5:17. God makes new "creations" in Jesus. To this day. He isn't resting, yet. Still in the creating process.
So to closeout this discovery that the earth could not have been created in 6 literal days, and that we are still in the 6th day..back to Genesis 1 : 31. By the end of the day, it was very good. Definitely better than good, as it started badly, with sin. We got a ways to go! Because he will have created a new heaven and earth, at the end of the 6th day. That will be very good indeed! Mathew 20:1-16 Describes the Kingdom of God and history in a parable that lasts a day and compares Adam and Eve and the Patriarchs and the prophets and Judges and the Kings of Israel and Judah, then the Apsostles and disciples and later believers all those who work the Vineyard at various times of "the day." Those who would be first, last. Those who would be last, first.
I would imagine this viewpoint would be unifying instead of dividing. Chew on that for a while. Let me know what you think.
I think it will become even more clear to you that we are all living in the 6th day as you read your bibles for yourselves.
To your light ramble God said let there be light on day 1 also creating the heavens (translated as moon sun stars etc)
Yes time to an eternal being is meaningless but we aren't eternal and it's meaningful to us that's why it's in the Bible. The Bible wasn't written for God it was given to us
Isaiah is a prophesy is written in past tense to emphasise the certainty that in God's eternal perspective he has foreordained these events
The whole of the creation account is written in past tense not just Gen 2 2-3 all you have to do is look at the first verse of the bible
To your Isaiah point God never said he would rest forever, read revelation 21 which this Isaiah passage points to. The end of Genesis 1 points to the evening and morning passing of day 6 just like day 1-5
@benhamilton6887 - So, answer the question...when God says Adam would die in "the day" he ate of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and lived for 930 years and then died.....eh?
How do you explain that?
Yes , I agree that the Scriptures were written for us to know the glorious Revelation of God. However, we should come to the Scriptures with humility, so we can come to understand Him and His will for our lives.
I would say your points about time and perspective on the tense of verbs is valid, just misplaced when it comes to certain Scriptures. I could use the same point about "foreordained", I would say " predestined", but whatever, as some things predestined, have not happened yet. As the 7th day, in my humblest of opinions, has yet to happen. It will. Even though it is written in past tense in Genesis, as Isaiah was written in past tense. The Scriptures point to a 2nd coming of Jesus, we know that is future. We know it hasn't happened. Things would not be as they are if He had.
Revelation 21:1-2. The first heaven and earth had disappeared, and so had the sea. Past tense. We know this hasn't happened yet. It's still prophetic, for us. So yes, creation is happening, and will continue to happen, until He rests. Is a "born again" disciple of Jesus a new creation or not? Is this not the work of God? The work of salvation and atonement is finished. That was the passion of the cross. But next came justification and renewal, all works of God, so no one can boast. He still works. Prove he doesn't.
Yes completely agree with you that God still works because he rested in the 7th day after that he continued his work. To comment on your Adam point I'm sure you've read about this more than I and know about the Hebrew word for die 'muwth'. If a physical death on the day as you describe would've happened only one use of the word would need to be used. The repetition of 'muwth' signifies puts a different emphasis. My Hebrew thought isn't comparable to the people who translated the Geneva Bible in 1500s who translated it as 'for in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt die the death.' Putting emphasis on this death being in the future. Seemingly showing Adams days being numbered from this day
@benhamilton6887 - I don't believe I need to be a Hebrew Scholar to understand the revelation of God.
I speak English. I am not Greek. Nor Chinese. I believe God can get His message across to me in my language. What kind of God would He be if He couldn't? You can try to explain it away, due to your preconceived notions, I will accept it as is. A day to the Lord is like a thousand years. And a thousand years like a day. Our concept of time is for us. A day to Him we cannot grasp. God bless.
@@thomasouellette8987The sheer number of words you need to argue this point reveals how many circles false believers have to run around scripture in order to twist God’s Word. Regardless, I’ll take the bait and address one of the points you make: When God says, “for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die,” he’s saying that the moment he eats the forbidden fruit, he will be changed from a being that surely would not die into a being that surely would die. The words of that curse don’t necessitate that Adam’s death occur on the same exact day that he eats of the fruit. Additionally, on the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit, the process of cellular death entered creation. Accordingly, on the day he ate of the forbidden fruit, he began the process of dying.
When man sinned death passes on to all men only. Adam was removed from Eden and barred from reentry where the Tree of life was by sword wielding angelic beings. Outside of Eden there was always death because there was no Tree of Life there. You attack an old earth belief because that rids the earth of time for evolution.
The earth was formless and void before day1. It took billions of years to get this far and then God prepared the earth for His special creation... MAN. Is this too hard for you to understand?
Even a universe that’s only 13.7 billion years old is not enough time for evolution to take place . Astrophysicist argue the change of the sun’s physics on the earth won’t allow it.
Why does there have to be a literal Adam?
The Good Samaritan was not literal, he was a character in a story. A story the conveys a profound truth about caring for our neighbor, true charity, not caring about ethnic differences, etc.
Adam was not literal, he is a character in a story. A story that conveys a profound truth about God's purpose, mankind's inherently sinful nature, man's place in God's universe, etc.
If there is no Adam then there is no Eve. And if there is no Adam and Eve there is no us.
Have you not read the lineage of Adam to Noah and Noah to Abraham and Abraham to Jesus, our Lord and savior? There HAS to be a literal Adam that we inherit the consequences of his sin, that is indwelling sin.
The Bible also states that the Earth is flat or at the very least implies it. Why don't we believe in the flat-earth? The Bible speaks about the foundations of the world. The ends of the Earth etc.
It refers to foundations which doesn't imply flatness, but that God created a sound and stable planet. It also refers to the "circle" of the earth, which implies its spherical shape.
Pfft. The Bible doesn’t “state” that the earth is flat.
Nowhere does it imply a flat earth in the Bible. You have to do some deliberate twisting of what is obviously metephoric language to claim the Bible teaches a flat earth.
If you are in a church or with a group that is teaching the flat earth nonsense I suggest you get OUT immediately. There is no teaching in the word of God that teaches a flat earth. Not only does the Bible affirm the earth is a sphere, but that is one thing that has been beyond all reason been proven. If I had the means I'd get you in a jet and fly you around the globe, but you might still not believe it. There is something serious and spiritually wrong with those who hold to the flat earth hoax, My guess, is you really don't believe in satellites or the space station either or all the billions spent on the space program. You don't even need to go into outer space all the way to see the earth is not flat, but a globe just as all the other planets in the solar system. Get you a good telescope and see for yourself.
Troll much?