This has to be thee most perfectly executed chinese game in DotA 1 history. All game constistently perfect plays. 17:00 play is just an example. From the wand pop, to the perfect baited stun and tp. Amazing. Thank you for casting Lumi.
Considering the fact that there is a lull in the DotA1 replays and also the fact that many of us have yet to receive DotA2 Beta Keys (which means I'm not that interested in it); recasting the old epic games is a breath of fresh air and most of us veteran subs would have either forgotten the game or appreciate the new take on things from you. Total support for this, please give us more!
Point 2: Sven used storm point on 2 talons at the top rax scourge team fight, the reason for this wasn't becauase he missed clicked. It was because Dusa has a linken sphere and so he wants to use the AOE of the storm bolt to hit dusa
wow mystic snake and cheese existed already in this version, i dont remember when i started playing dota then, but when i started playing medusa had a chain lighting like razor and razor had frenzy, same as viper and lina, what version and what year was that? i started playing before aa and disruptor were introduced
During the fight that starts at about 53 minutes in, its not Ehome that played poorly, but thats when ZSMJ gets his first rapier, which is sent in from his crow. Its just that lumi never clicked on dusa to see that he had bought DR. That is why LGD won their first fight so easily, also look how fast WD's health falls.
yeah. though his intent was to destroy it, it did end up in their favor even though he failed to break it, Ehome, knowing that he wanted to destroy it, ended up letting BM pick it up instead of Drow or Sven. BM having the slot for it at that time was not the best choice for it though, he can't tank enough, not enough AS, plus his a melee hero. if drow or even could've gotten it it might have change the tide of the game.
i felt in this game, gorgon is chickening out more instead of taking damages. most of the battle she died last and with lots of hp.. she should stood up and continue wacking
Point 3: The reason to why BM picked up the DR was not just because of spur of momment but because drow was not in melee range. Almost no one knows that DR is unkillable so he thought only BM/SVEN/ES could take it or else DUSA would of denied it b4 drow can get it. That's why he got confused. I believe all 3 points were analyzed properly in the first cast of this game.
In dota 2 neutrals counts as lasthits, while in dota 1 cs is lane creeps only. Neutrals is added on top of that so ZSMJ probably had much more than 768 in total.
Do OK vs MYM next. You and Neb have improved quite a bit since then, and seeing as it was such an epic game, im sure it will be f***ng awesome to recast it/
can you link that game ???? I might not know about it but i doubt any game can pass this game's record cuz this game went into dota record farming , recommended my many people
great idea leveling brilliance aura on that defensive lane. i'm assuming thats the reason dusa decided to get mana shield early as opposed to more stats
Some Ghost stuffs may have helped e-home's suports stay a bit longer on figths in order to desable dusa ,, so ficusing the supports of lgd at the begining of all fights was the rigth way to do it but what happens when dusa is splitting her arrows at this time ,,, ?
!!!SPOILER!!! ironic that 2009's 3 carry strat was used to counter 4+1 or 3+2 strat, and yet here we see 2009's own strat used against him, and he answers with a 3+2 that wins the game. Just look at the score. 29-29, completely even. the difference? ZSMJ's 720 cs. DR, BB, DR like np
Hey Luminous! was trawling the net for dota replays and came across this. Quite enjoyed the replay. Have a few suggestions though. Like the strategies, analysis and the blunt honesty about the game. Was wondering if you were going to get a casting partner because I find that the best casters always have a casting partner... Gives the cast a lot more energy and allows for better analysis... Just a suggestion though
Dude in dota 2, there was a game not so long ago, like 1 month where there was a bug with quelling blade on pl. And in one of the pro matches, a pl had 1000cs in like 50 mins. And Ill have a look for the links.
then recommend it in here to Lumi to cast, in terms of professional tornement farming record i dont think there is any game with equally famous team , equally famous player and this impressive of a record
hey lumi if you want super epic games go re cast the jD masters tournament. semi finals, eg vs mousesports and the finals eg vs next.kz, they were super epic matches!!! a must watch.
yeah lumi you talk about this game so many times in ur commentary.. glad finaly u cast it.. please cast nv.cn vs deity best of 5 series final in WDC 2010 again by yourself because in your old cast, ian a bit annoying XD
I am sure he knew that rapier is impossible to destroy. He dropped it to confuse the enemy while they were right clicking him - and someone not very important hero to pick it up like BM. If he died and dropped rapier then - they would give it to someone else. So it was a wise decision. As for BM AS is quite good especially with his third skill buffing it even more.
in the times that chinese turtle style dominate the dota scenes, ZSMJ is considered the god of farming since if his team can make sure he's safe and farmed, he'll wiped out everything in his way and none can stop him
Nope, back then, if you pick up the Rapier after an enemy drops it, your stuck with it. You couldnt trade DR or even drop it in the fountain for that matter
i started coming to dc after first watching this commentary. to be honest, i thought you were a better caster then. kinda like old school metallica vs new. you just had the perfect balance of entertainment and strategy. ex) in that commentary, you perfectly described during the first battle how WD stopped his ult from channeling to bait out tide ult. now though you seem to be a lot more stricter in your casts which may not be a bad thing except i think it takes away from your creative freedom.
they're playing against Ehome who happens to be one of the best teams in the world, or maybe former best team.. i'm pretty sure they won't be tricked that easily. which means they all aren't aware that DR can't be destroyed.. or maybe they forgot. i'm pretty sure he didn't know that, cause he attacked it.
It bugs me when some Dota players turn their heads at Chinese farming games (only want to see ganking, tower diving games, etc.) when these kind of games can be some of the most consistent, coordinated, and down to the wire games that can really provide some insight that extremely aggressive games cannot.
No you dont even know what my argument is. Im not saying that Chinese DotA isn't better than European DotA, which is another argument altogether. But what im saying is that records can be set by any player even though they aren't chinese. Why can only Chinese players set records? That's just stupid.
Watching on Jan 2022. Aah!! The good old days.
This has to be thee most perfectly executed chinese game in DotA 1 history. All game constistently perfect plays. 17:00 play is just an example. From the wand pop, to the perfect baited stun and tp.
Amazing. Thank you for casting Lumi.
This was a very good cast. Thanks for DotA 1 luminous!
Considering the fact that there is a lull in the DotA1 replays and also the fact that many of us have yet to receive DotA2 Beta Keys (which means I'm not that interested in it); recasting the old epic games is a breath of fresh air and most of us veteran subs would have either forgotten the game or appreciate the new take on things from you. Total support for this, please give us more!
Point 2: Sven used storm point on 2 talons at the top rax scourge team fight, the reason for this wasn't becauase he missed clicked. It was because Dusa has a linken sphere and so he wants to use the AOE of the storm bolt to hit dusa
wow mystic snake and cheese existed already in this version, i dont remember when i started playing dota then, but when i started playing medusa had a chain lighting like razor and razor had frenzy, same as viper and lina, what version and what year was that? i started playing before aa and disruptor were introduced
wc3 dota is still awesome because it is before south america found out about dota
ROFL so true
Only its not, we had a lot people playing Wc3 dota in NA Server on the GG platform.
During the fight that starts at about 53 minutes in, its not Ehome that played poorly, but thats when ZSMJ gets his first rapier, which is sent in from his crow. Its just that lumi never clicked on dusa to see that he had bought DR. That is why LGD won their first fight so easily, also look how fast WD's health falls.
i remember this game, back then luminous computer making loud noise and posting low quality video split into million part lol, those are the days bro!
lol this just popped up on my feed. The good ol days.
yeah. though his intent was to destroy it, it did end up in their favor even though he failed to break it, Ehome, knowing that he wanted to destroy it, ended up letting BM pick it up instead of Drow or Sven. BM having the slot for it at that time was not the best choice for it though, he can't tank enough, not enough AS, plus his a melee hero. if drow or even could've gotten it it might have change the tide of the game.
btw, the 3 carry strat and the minimal number of ganks was the reason for the reliable gold
i felt in this game, gorgon is chickening out more instead of taking damages. most of the battle she died last and with lots of hp.. she should stood up and continue wacking
It’s year2023 still watch this legendary match😂
Omg, 50mins in ZSMJ has full inventory, gets killed, buysback and still has enough for Rapier xD truely legendary
Your first 2 points are correct. About the 3rd point, I don't think you can deny a divine, or is it changed a few versions ago? Not sure about this.
Point 3: The reason to why BM picked up the DR was not just because of spur of momment but because drow was not in melee range. Almost no one knows that DR is unkillable so he thought only BM/SVEN/ES could take it or else DUSA would of denied it b4 drow can get it. That's why he got confused.
I believe all 3 points were analyzed properly in the first cast of this game.
In dota 2 neutrals counts as lasthits, while in dota 1 cs is lane creeps only. Neutrals is added on top of that so ZSMJ probably had much more than 768 in total.
I like to see these replays while smoking some weed. I love your comm , they are the best ! Keep uploading ! Peace
watching only in 360 as early as posible like a true fan
Do OK vs MYM next. You and Neb have improved quite a bit since then, and seeing as it was such an epic game, im sure it will be f***ng awesome to recast it/
Hey lumi is there a way I can watch the epic dota playlist in iPod?
can you link that game ????
I might not know about it but i doubt any game can pass this game's record cuz this game went into dota record farming , recommended my many people
why tidehunter get the vanguard ?? Does the damage block from kraken shell and vanguard stack?
great idea leveling brilliance aura on that defensive lane. i'm assuming thats the reason dusa decided to get mana shield early as opposed to more stats
Thanks for posting man!
If you want to talk about dota 2, i remember a game between Mtw and Team Empire? I think where Sven got over 800 cs.
Some Ghost stuffs may have helped e-home's suports stay a bit longer on figths in order to desable dusa ,, so ficusing the supports of lgd at the begining of all fights was the rigth way to do it but what happens when dusa is splitting her arrows at this time ,,, ?
Hey lumi, EHOME lanm broke the creep kill record, he has 768 creep kill using tiny, remember that? International 2
I didn't get that Anime reference. Please enlighten me. Is that card captor sakura by any chance?
If no one has said this yet, at 29mins or so Drow used her dominated troll creep to last hit bottom t1 tower.
!!!SPOILER!!!
ironic that 2009's 3 carry strat was used to counter 4+1 or 3+2 strat, and yet here we see 2009's own strat used against him, and he answers with a 3+2 that wins the game. Just look at the score. 29-29, completely even. the difference? ZSMJ's 720 cs. DR, BB, DR like np
Hey Luminous! was trawling the net for dota replays and came across this. Quite enjoyed the replay. Have a few suggestions though. Like the strategies, analysis and the blunt honesty about the game. Was wondering if you were going to get a casting partner because I find that the best casters always have a casting partner... Gives the cast a lot more energy and allows for better analysis... Just a suggestion though
This is the vid on Lumious48 which made me a fan of LGD and especially ZSMJ. Now he has left LGD, I don't really follow them.
how can u count a record between Mtw and Team Empire for me its just like a pub game compared to mainland chinese team..
Hey luminous, i normally don't like you but thanks for taking time and uploading :)
It is not should or should not but the fact is they did set record, there are some EU game also like the mass nec book for you if you like action game
Good thing he dropped rapier - that confuses the enemy and it might be WD that picks it up. But if he drops it after death then drow or sven picks it.
Dude in dota 2, there was a game not so long ago, like 1 month where there was a bug with quelling blade on pl. And in one of the pro matches, a pl had 1000cs in like 50 mins.
And Ill have a look for the links.
Es and cm and tidehunter偶尔这样stun 一下，拨一下水，才扣那么几十点血。而且又待在线上耗着，有用吗。。。
Lumi, I've always wanted to watch 720 cs on a 720p, finally can watch on full screen.
bruno sent me here
+wraitheson Do you have the link where Bruno talks about this match and says forget about what happened 5 years ago??
How many times was chinese farming said
then recommend it in here to Lumi to cast, in terms of professional tornement farming record i dont think there is any game with equally famous team , equally famous player and this impressive of a record
@POZDRAW It's symbolic...like a plane breaking the sound barrier
how viable would diffusal blade have been on drow ranger? it counters mana shield to a certain extent... maybe lifesteal is better? hmm
FYI, dota2 counts the number of neutrals as well as player controlled units that you killed. The original dota doesn't.
This should be a series, like pubbing with lumi.
"Epic games with lumi". Y u no make it a regular thing?!?
hey lumi if you want super epic games go re cast the jD masters tournament. semi finals, eg vs mousesports and the finals eg vs next.kz, they were super epic matches!!! a must watch.
lumi can u cast the semifinal of EG vs NEXT.KZ plzzzz
yeah lumi you talk about this game so many times in ur commentary..
glad finaly u cast it..
please cast nv.cn vs deity best of 5 series final in WDC 2010 again by yourself because in your old cast, ian a bit annoying XD
this is very old meta, the time when those heroes are the most imba
you can't really expect 4years later for someone to actually understand the picks
I know what game you talking about, he have 1000cs because the other team have undying and each combat with tombstone pl gain like 20 30 cs each
I am sure he knew that rapier is impossible to destroy. He dropped it to confuse the enemy while they were right clicking him - and someone not very important hero to pick it up like BM. If he died and dropped rapier then - they would give it to someone else. So it was a wise decision.
As for BM AS is quite good especially with his third skill buffing it even more.
in the times that chinese turtle style dominate the dota scenes, ZSMJ is considered the god of farming since if his team can make sure he's safe and farmed, he'll wiped out everything in his way and none can stop him
when was this?
Early 2010.
That cs also would include broods(in the enemy team) spiderlings
Nope, back then, if you pick up the Rapier after an enemy drops it, your stuck with it. You couldnt trade DR or even drop it in the fountain for that matter
Would it make a different if drow picked up the divine?
53:00 Until death Dusa part. Did Lumi accidentally make the best on-the-fly pun ever?
Isn't this like the third time you cast this game?
isn't vanguard stack with tide skill 2?
i started coming to dc after first watching this commentary.
to be honest, i thought you were a better caster then. kinda like old school metallica vs new. you just had the perfect balance of entertainment and strategy. ex) in that commentary, you perfectly described during the first battle how WD stopped his ult from channeling to bait out tide ult.
now though you seem to be a lot more stricter in your casts which may not be a bad thing except i think it takes away from your creative freedom.
y does he focuses only on medusa?
isn't trixi playing with mousesports?
this record is beaten by NEXT.KZ for 2 days ago
New to dota. It's a damn good idea for a game.
they're playing against Ehome who happens to be one of the best teams in the world, or maybe former best team.. i'm pretty sure they won't be tricked that easily. which means they all aren't aware that DR can't be destroyed.. or maybe they forgot. i'm pretty sure he didn't know that, cause he attacked it.
I thought you have already cast this game...
Oh yea. Remembered that game.
'I believe hardwork will pay off!'
Great commentator! I enjoyed it!
btw 25x30 is 750, not 650.
whos the man?? LUMINOUS!!!!!!!!
enough mana for buy back? 4:53
download link plz
PLZZZ
It bugs me when some Dota players turn their heads at Chinese farming games (only want to see ganking, tower diving games, etc.) when these kind of games can be some of the most consistent, coordinated, and down to the wire games that can really provide some insight that extremely aggressive games cannot.
2010 Ehome was such an awesome team. Virtus Pro is mine though
i dont think many of those items were there at that time....though i could be wrong
ZSMJ is a really lengendary adc
adc who da fuck is using this word in dota
If you listen to the start, he explains.
1:00:52 - The crow in the secret shop.. I was literally laughing my ass off all alone hahaha!
er yes you can easily check neutral creeps and controlled units killed.
i feel like its because of games like this that made ice frog implement smoke of deceit
Nah it doenst count because in dota 1, neutrals are not counted. In dota 2, neurals are counted.
Lumi, cast a Vigoss game from 2006 or 7 please!
EPIC farm fest, ZSMJ's wallet is deeper than my feels
Mask of Madness will make her squishier and she is already squishy as she is
ko co dich ah ?
No you dont even know what my argument is. Im not saying that Chinese DotA isn't better than European DotA, which is another argument altogether.
But what im saying is that records can be set by any player even though they aren't chinese. Why can only Chinese players set records? That's just stupid.
Buying mask of madness on sniper isnt so bad though.depends what heros on the map.
so much for the epic game... kinda not what ive expected from it
But that CS surely included the neutrals... In dota 1 the CS doesnt included the neutrals...
At 0:57:15 he said sven will come back alive ...? he only have cheese dude. not aegis
Is it something like I get gold easily so I can spare some DR or Relic by zsmj :P
i am looking at dota and understands one thing: Dota 2 is AWESOME!
Burning小黑拿了圣剑估计还有🉐一拼，兽王就算了吧😂
@MDAMAA Drow ranger is burning. One of the best players, he just had a tough lane
she's already out in dota 2 recently
Whos trixi ? Link me :)