Well, not all of her was scrapped. 1111/2626's bell was salvaged, and it's on display at the Age of Steam Roundhouse in Sugarcreek, Ohio (which is also where Gettysburg/Canadian Pacific 1278 is at).
The Four Aces,set precedent by showing Roller Bearings in the heaviest services,and at speed! Consider now,every locomotive and cars(passenger and freight),is on roller bearings,and the legacy of that engine has been long lasting! That is one engine that definitely needs to be recreated,and since it was built to NYC standards,an additional S-1b could be its sister engine! One can dream! Thank you 😇 😊!
@@TheFunnyDictator It would be a tie between the NYC S-1b,and the UP 4-8-4's,as both came out of Schenectady,and shared similar characteristics! Both have never been full out,to really find the absolute speed limit! I do know,from NYC Employee Timetables,on the racetrack from Toledo to Elkhart,they were allowed 120 MPH,so like many other engines,in making up time,they did many feats,but it remained unrecognized! The Hudsons were no slowpokes,either! Mayhaps,some one,somewhere has data,under the table information!?? Anyway,thank you for your attention! Thank you 😇 😊!
There's actually a really neat display of artifacts related to 1111 at Discover World in Canton, OH. They also have a scale model replica of 'Four Aces' that demonstrates how rolling bearings function on a steam locomotive.
I really hate the fact that all the railroad companies scrapped almost all their steamers because nowadays excursion steam locomotives bring in a helluva lot of revenue.
@@TheFunnyDictator source of the companies scrapping them: they’re gone. Source of the excursions brining in revenue: their website. Steam engine in the pfp is the Lionel Berkshire jr
My university has the American society of mechanical engineers journal from the time this was loco was built and they discussed this locomotive at length it even had the detailed drawing with dimensions was an awesome read
I love this technical history you provide. My wife is from the Canton area and we drive by Timken a lot. I wish the world could Perserve more histrionic relics to teach where we came from, so, the new generations know where to go from here.
NP manager:"So it's agreed! We will return the locomotive to- (ring ring) hang on. Hello, Northern Pacific!" Mysterious voice"I want that steam engine...it ran on my railroad...(buzzing sounds)" NP manager, visibly shaken:"Scrap the Timken! SCRAP IT NOW!"
Funny, but, jokes aside, Alfred Perlman actually worked for Northern Pacific when he was younger, and he only scrapped (most of) the steam engines on NYC because of that company's dire financial situation at the time, not out of malice or hatred like Darkness likes to jokingly depict.
Sorry to burst your bubble but the 1111 only ("only") weighed 711,500 pounds. Locos like the Big Boys and Yellowstones only ("only") weighed 1.2 million pounds (ball park figures). Still a great feat by those women though.
Awesome video! Can you talk about the success of the Atlantic Coastline railroad? They never had a major bankruptcy and held their own. It would be cool for the railroad to actually get some recognition.
Thank you for talking about this locomotive. If there’s any wrong to right, it would be this one. I’ve always thought about if I had unlimited funds, this would be the locomotive I would make brand new in the modern era. Thankfully, at least it’s Bell and it’s builder plates are still around. They are at the McKinley Museum if I remember correctly.
Had the engine been preserved by Timken, I doubt it would have been more than just a static exhibit. For example, the Smithsonian owns Southern 1401, and (from what I've read) it has no intention on ever restoring the engine to operation.
@@gharrison2595 To be honest, this just a imagination if Timken 1111 (A.K.A Northern Pacific 2626) is still around to this day in preservation to let you know.
Thank you so much for talking about Timken 1111. I really appreciate it. Do you think you can also talk about one of Northern Pacific's other locomotives, specifically Northern Pacific 328? My great-great grandfather drove that locomotive, and I'd like to see a video about his locomotive as a tribute to him.
Your speaking of all these names in Washington and Montana is equally funny and grating on the ears of those who hail from there. No malice intended as I laugh at all who screw them up.
2:24 "with a flux capacitor car in toe, she was able to reach 88mph with passengers asking what the strange fluesant blue sparks were just before arriving in Hill Valley, California, 1881" sorry i had to i just woke up.
So, when I ask you if you want the less expensive wheel hub (bearing) installed in your car or the more expensive Timken brand bearing, how are you going to answer? I know what some people say: "Give me the cheapest bearing you've got". Only my smart customers opted for the 20 to 40 dollars more Timkens. How did that purchase turn out for them? I've warrantied ONE Timken automotive bearing in my entire career since 1980. Spend your money once, or spend it lots of times.
The fact that fully sealed roller bearings this locomotive somehow made it outperform even some of the steam locomotives of C&O when going on the Allegheny mountains makes me wonder how advanced steam locomotives can truly be today? Perhaps it'll perform just as if not better then diesels if they bother to kept 1111 around which was never meant to be, who knows? Maybe now that the extincted steam locomotives like the PRR T1, LNER P2, LNER B17, and BR standard Class 6 are coming back, maybe they could put them to the test to see if they are worthy to do mainline work and co-exist with diesel and electric for years to come.
Another great, awesome locomotive lost to time. It truly is a shame she didn't go back to Timken Bearing Company. Maybe in an alternative universe she would have been preserved and possible restored to run excursion runs. Does anyone know if a model (HO scale) was ever done on this locomotive. If not, this would be a great contender here.
@@kiwitrainguy why did this engine have horns like the Lackawanna engines for warning sounds instead of an actual steam whistle like normal steam engines had?
@@alternative890 Back in the 1940s / late1930s some of the larger US steam locos had both whistles and horns. This loco was built in 1930 but maybe had its horn added later. Locos with both whistles and horns include PRR S1, Milwaukee F7, Southern Pacific cab forwards, NYC Niagaras.
Please come visit the Pacific Northwest. Your mispronounciations of our place names really detracts from otherwise fantastic content (Cle Elum, Yakima, Willamette, Spokane, among others)
rip 1111. She was very useful.
Well, not all of her was scrapped. 1111/2626's bell was salvaged, and it's on display at the Age of Steam Roundhouse in Sugarcreek, Ohio (which is also where Gettysburg/Canadian Pacific 1278 is at).
Rrally*
1111 was the true really useful engine.
@@AnimalsVehiclesAndMoreOh yeah, the engine that exposed the Gettysburg Railroad.
The Four Aces,set precedent by showing Roller Bearings in the heaviest services,and at speed! Consider now,every locomotive and cars(passenger and freight),is on roller bearings,and the legacy of that engine has been long lasting! That is one engine that definitely needs to be recreated,and since it was built to NYC standards,an additional S-1b could be its sister engine! One can dream! Thank you 😇 😊!
What's your favourite Northern Locomotive?
@@TheFunnyDictator It would be a tie between the NYC S-1b,and the UP 4-8-4's,as both came out of Schenectady,and shared similar characteristics! Both have never been full out,to really find the absolute speed limit! I do know,from NYC Employee Timetables,on the racetrack from Toledo to Elkhart,they were allowed 120 MPH,so like many other engines,in making up time,they did many feats,but it remained unrecognized! The Hudsons were no slowpokes,either! Mayhaps,some one,somewhere has data,under the table information!?? Anyway,thank you for your attention! Thank you 😇 😊!
@@roberthuron9160 Are you an older person?
@@roberthuron9160 Don't you think that the headlight on the Niagara looked ugly?
It's a shame this beauty was never preserved. A group should build a replica of her.
Be a could PR stunt for Timken
There's actually a really neat display of artifacts related to 1111 at Discover World in Canton, OH. They also have a scale model replica of 'Four Aces' that demonstrates how rolling bearings function on a steam locomotive.
Among ALCO’s finest. Only befitting she ended up with an ALCO-dominant railroad
Exactly Andrew.
I really hate the fact that all the railroad companies scrapped almost all their steamers because nowadays excursion steam locomotives bring in a helluva lot of revenue.
How so? Source?
Also, what steam engine is in your profile picture?!
@@TheFunnyDictator source of the companies scrapping them: they’re gone. Source of the excursions brining in revenue: their website. Steam engine in the pfp is the Lionel Berkshire jr
@@colestrains1 Do you know what the last steam locomotive to ever be built was?
@@TheFunnyDictator I’m pretty sure it was a n&w 0-8-0 switcher number 266
My university has the American society of mechanical engineers journal from the time this was loco was built and they discussed this locomotive at length it even had the detailed drawing with dimensions was an awesome read
I love this technical history you provide. My wife is from the Canton area and we drive by Timken a lot. I wish the world could Perserve more histrionic relics to teach where we came from, so, the new generations know where to go from here.
Why did I just saw this today!? This is my favorite locomotive! That green is 👌
Kind of sad 1111 wasn't preserved, i could see her being a great museum piece.
NP manager:"So it's agreed! We will return the locomotive to- (ring ring) hang on. Hello, Northern Pacific!"
Mysterious voice"I want that steam engine...it ran on my railroad...(buzzing sounds)"
NP manager, visibly shaken:"Scrap the Timken! SCRAP IT NOW!"
Funny, but, jokes aside, Alfred Perlman actually worked for Northern Pacific when he was younger, and he only scrapped (most of) the steam engines on NYC because of that company's dire financial situation at the time, not out of malice or hatred like Darkness likes to jokingly depict.
There was an article in the letters to the editor of Trains with a photograph of her being scrapped. The caption read " Four Aces fairwell".
do you have it?
It's a shame she didn't get preserved. She was a real unique locomotive!
I wish 1111 was preserved. It would’ve be amazing to see her in operation or on display.
It's nearly unbelievable that 3 women could pull a 3 million pound locomotive. Very interesting and what a tribute to Timken's bearings. 😊😊
Sorry to burst your bubble but the 1111 only ("only") weighed 711,500 pounds. Locos like the Big Boys and Yellowstones only ("only") weighed 1.2 million pounds (ball park figures).
Still a great feat by those women though.
@@kiwitrainguy OK. Thanks.😊
Awesome video! Can you talk about the success of the Atlantic Coastline railroad? They never had a major bankruptcy and held their own. It would be cool for the railroad to actually get some recognition.
Thank you for talking about this locomotive. If there’s any wrong to right, it would be this one. I’ve always thought about if I had unlimited funds, this would be the locomotive I would make brand new in the modern era. Thankfully, at least it’s Bell and it’s builder plates are still around. They are at the McKinley Museum if I remember correctly.
Timken 1111 (A.K.A Northern Pacific 2626) could’ve been in operation at the North Shore Scenic Railroad in Duluth, Minnesota.
Had the engine been preserved by Timken, I doubt it would have been more than just a static exhibit. For example, the Smithsonian owns Southern 1401, and (from what I've read) it has no intention on ever restoring the engine to operation.
@@gharrison2595 To be honest, this just a imagination if Timken 1111 (A.K.A Northern Pacific 2626) is still around to this day in preservation to let you know.
Thank you so much for talking about Timken 1111. I really appreciate it. Do you think you can also talk about one of Northern Pacific's other locomotives, specifically Northern Pacific 328? My great-great grandfather drove that locomotive, and I'd like to see a video about his locomotive as a tribute to him.
Your speaking of all these names in Washington and Montana is equally funny and grating on the ears of those who hail from there. No malice intended as I laugh at all who screw them up.
Hey, at least her bell was preserved, which is still something. Barely anything, but still something
Great story. Thx for that one
Again love the Four Aces! The solution really energizes my imagination.
They should do a project to build a replica of 1111
There is at least one live steam model of it in existence in 1.5" scale.
2:24 "with a flux capacitor car in toe, she was able to reach 88mph with passengers asking what the strange fluesant blue sparks were just before arriving in Hill Valley, California, 1881"
sorry i had to i just woke up.
So, when I ask you if you want the less expensive wheel hub (bearing) installed in your car or the more expensive Timken brand bearing, how are you going to answer? I know what some people say: "Give me the cheapest bearing you've got". Only my smart customers opted for the 20 to 40 dollars more Timkens. How did that purchase turn out for them? I've warrantied ONE Timken automotive bearing in my entire career since 1980. Spend your money once, or spend it lots of times.
Smoother than Sir Handel it seems
Where have you been boy, Been waiting for some new material.
Quality > quantity bruh
The fact that fully sealed roller bearings this locomotive somehow made it outperform even some of the steam locomotives of C&O when going on the Allegheny mountains makes me wonder how advanced steam locomotives can truly be today? Perhaps it'll perform just as if not better then diesels if they bother to kept 1111 around which was never meant to be, who knows? Maybe now that the extincted steam locomotives like the PRR T1, LNER P2, LNER B17, and BR standard Class 6 are coming back, maybe they could put them to the test to see if they are worthy to do mainline work and co-exist with diesel and electric for years to come.
Another great, awesome locomotive lost to time. It truly is a shame she didn't go back to Timken Bearing Company. Maybe in an alternative universe she would have been preserved and possible restored to run excursion runs. Does anyone know if a model (HO scale) was ever done on this locomotive. If not, this would be a great contender here.
In my TTTE AU 1111 is still around.^^
The real-life "Big Tim"
The ALCO butter locomotive
EIGHTY-EIGHT Miles Per Hour!!!! Great Scott people always in so much of a hurry. Why especially considering they can use a time machine.
Add her to the list of "steamers I wish Lionel would make in O Scale"
Lionel already made a model of the Four Aces Locomotive. It was made back in 1987, and depicts the locomotive in its Northern Pacific appearance.
Timken made first class bearings.
NP was given a choice
Fix it, buy it or get sued for damages to it
The Northern Pacific 2626 after the demonstration.
I wish she was saved from scrap and be on display at Toledo Ohio
A documentary about the first locomotive with roller bearings the timkien four aces no. 1111
Gosh I want a model of her in o scale their so hard to find tho
In my Universe, Timken 1111 is a Male Locomotive, But it’s Disappointing that he was scrapped
That's a real shame
*Roller Freight*
88mph? Where we’re going we don’t need….roads
YAK Eh maw
Klee ELL um
And MaZOOla.
What do you mean?
@@douglaswickstrom6736 What do you even mean?
Also, what celebrity/movie character is in your profile picture?! Please reply to me, dude!
Was this freight or passenger?
Both.
@@kiwitrainguy why did this engine have horns like the Lackawanna engines for warning sounds instead of an actual steam whistle like normal steam engines had?
@@alternative890 Back in the 1940s / late1930s some of the larger US steam locos had both whistles and horns. This loco was built in 1930 but maybe had its horn added later.
Locos with both whistles and horns include PRR S1, Milwaukee F7, Southern Pacific cab forwards, NYC Niagaras.
@@kiwitrainguy yeah but actual air horns why did it have?
@@alternative890 I don't know.
Could SP&S 700 become a tribute #1111 (NP #2626) they could be twins. HMMMMMM.
Should've saved her......
Except balanced locomotives run smoother.
Please come visit the Pacific Northwest. Your mispronounciations of our place names really detracts from otherwise fantastic content (Cle Elum, Yakima, Willamette, Spokane, among others)
YAH-keh-muh.
First comment
It is YAKA-MUH, and CLAY-ELUMM