You crack me up Stephen. One of the great joys of having too much gear is the hours spent pondering do I take my alcohol stove, or do I take my gas burner, or do I try a mixture, or how many coffees do I really need, and what cooking will I be doing. Oh the anxiety of it all. And then, do I bring a pan (the answer is yes)! Gear nerdery.
@@snoop2477 Funny you should ask, Jonny just commented on this video. My copy is a slightly more delicate handmade prototype version than the final retail ones so I've not used it as much partly due to not wanting to break it. But I really should use it again, it's a very clever stove. Definitely can't use it in a tent though!
I’m delighted you showed this , me and my friend were scared of the Bailey burner . We did not know it blows out. It didn’t come with the crown stand so we put it in a silver folding mini twig burning thing and it got so hot we couldn’t move it. I can’t believe we never thought to blow it out OMG 😂
Stephen. welcome to the wonderful world of alcohol stoves - it is a "fun" rabbit hole to go down. I make my own now IF I need one as there are so many types, configurations, and designs, that do what you might need them to do. I have enjoyed the journey and ended up with a manufactured one that is smaller but not self-contained but can be used for boiling water OR actual cooking of food - though I do have one I made myself like the Bailey one, which is a great little stove and I use it for just coffee on the go. Awesome that Mark sent you those - great little configurations. Thanks for sharing
I am a gear addict and have several alcohol stove setups. This is a really nice little set I wish I had over here in the states. I can piece together most of it, but I truly love the little pot stand holders that fit onto the wind screen. How cool that he reached out to you!
You can make your own Kojin stove, and caldera cone which serves as a windshield and pot stand all in one. Not hard to make, but any craftsman will help out
@@pedroclaro7822 Thanks. I have a kojin stove and caldera cone windscreen. Those windscreens are made to fit particular titanium cups and pots. Some of my toaks pots have been modified with a slight ridge to keep them from sliding down into the particular screen or cone they came with as a set. Unfortunately, my different alcohol sets and windscreens cannot always be mixed and matched. Some pots go too far down. The little clips would solve this problems so that I could mix and match more of my sets. As far as this set up, I love the little pot clips that allow a smaller cup, for instance a 450 ml, to be used with a windscreen that has a wider opening for a 750 ml cup. Specifically, I like how they hook onto the side, but then dip down lower into the windscreen protected area. They'd take the place of the modification that I have in a couple of my toaks cups creating a ridge which keeps them from sliding down too far onto the kojin stove and putting out the flame. In looking at those little clips, they nearly seem like something that may already be crafted for another purpose, but I don't have the hardware experience to know.
@@LMay64 those clips are ingenious. I hadn’t thought of something like that when I made mine! I made mine with 0.2 mm steel and 0.1mm titanium (two versions, titanium is hard to cut though lighter). Cut holes in them with a hole puncher and slits with a bandsaw. Slits so they interlock, but that wasn’t enough to hold weight of a full 1.6L pot. What I like best is using two spare pegs (cylindrical) which I don’t always use - vestibule/complex tarp configurations. I made three rows of holes. Top and bottom for air inlet and outlets, and one 8mm from the top of the sheet. The middle row isn’t a full row, just a set of holes that allow me to place the 2 stakes in, as a pot stand, and to adjust the diameter of the cone, so as to fit different sized pots. And I align and poke through two of the bottom holes with my pencil, to hold it together at the bottom and form the cone shape. I’d like to patent and fully design this, but I don’t have the resources unfortunately.
To put the stove out just put your pot (or a lid) straight onto the stove. It will starve it of oxygen and extinguish the flame, safer than blowing it.
What an awesome cook set, I'm in the market for one for a Christmas present to myself and was going to buy the trangia but your video is timed impeccably...one of these cook sets is exactly what I'm after 👌
Not boring at all! In fact, you've seriously tempted me to consider an alcohol stove for the first time ... and extra interesting because its produced locally 🙂
Give the cup a quick buff with a Magic Eraser to bring back the original patina before handing it off. Love your content and the associated humor. Cheers!
I have the 50ml Speedster burner, the big one, and a DIY coathanger stand, and a DIY Caldera cone. I will admit it's hard to get a full rolling boil but it's great for cooking and simmering. I am still getting used to how exactly long to leave it, but it usually boils within 4-5 mins.
Been watching the burner + windshield for a few weeks on ebay holding off on getting one. Wish I had gone for it now as they're out of stock. Good to see a thorough review though. I'll be getting one once they are available again.
I think I'm learning that the most important thing with alcohol stoves is an efficient heat exchange between the flame and cup. Maximise the surface area in contact between the two. Either increase the area of the base with jetboil style fins or heat the sides of the cup too like the caldera cone does. If not, you're wasting lots of fuel. Half the heat escapes without doing anything. The cup needs to be enclosed in basically an oven. Extend the wind shield up and over the top of the cup. Aluminium foil flexible ducting is my first idea. Very light, keeps it shape and concertinas back down when not in use. We'll see how well that works.
Look at any Trangia, they ensure an about an 1 - 1.5 inch distance between flame and pot, a wide shallow pot so a meandering flame still is mostly near the pot, and an encasing windshield, with the air coming up from beneath to the whole height of the pot so all the heat is dumped into the pot. Any efficient cook kit would emulate that. The Titanium pots *tend* to be narrow+tall so it's already throwing heat away to the air downwind. There are cook kits which borrow from the Trangia concept where the stand encloses a wide pot, but to get the required height from the flame is a two-level folded stand. I've weighed my Trangia pots they're not heavier than my Titanium pots.
I use a BCB stove with two very simple alcohol burners that fit nicely. I light both to boil and just one to simmer. I can get a pair of 20ml alcohol bottles and a lighter in it. Ideal for a day trip and a weekend away with more meths. I'm going to put up a video detailing it next year on another channel
i started off with the ultralight cook set ( that's only good for boiling water like all of them,i mean you could not even boil an egg ) but i started bringing my Trangia 27 as in the Uk or Ireland you will be passing shops i was eating fillet steak in a home made peppercorn sauce with fresh made chips and veg but the Trangia cook set is 1379 grams or 799 grams if you leave the extras at home ,all in. compared to 298 grams for the toaks titanium cook set. but bear in mind a days freeze meals are about 520 grams and about 50 pound in total ,if you go around your local supermarket with half that money, you can fresh veg ,mushrooms etc noodles use cup a soup to make a sauce or make it fresh bring some Ready made flour mix for flat bread ,pancakes and also you have to have the water to rehydrate . and i am sick of all that expensive shite
I want to cook more real food over winter. Tend to grab the dehydrated stuff in summer. But with it being dark for hours in winter, real food is the way to go
Hello from a new subscriber, and a great video BTW 👍 Always been a big fan of alcohol stoves, I just love the simplicity. My current set up is a home made shoe polish tin alcohol stove (I have one of similar construction to that Bailey Burner, and one containing stove rope) which sits in an Esbit solid fuel stove. A few Hexi blocks along with my supply of alcohol ensures I always have a back up should I need it. Add a cheap windshield, and one of those no-name 2 piece Chinese cooksets, and while nowhere near as light or compact as yours, does exactly what I need it to.
Best ever clickbait 😊 I have the similar x-boil set up (I ALSO have that little burner with the wire stand). Ive been experimenting with a tin foil with a small hole to use to simmer the flame. Not got it quite right yet.
I went for the “title too honest so it makes it seem like something else is going on” approach 🙂 experimenting a bit more with interesting titles atm. Interesting idea with a tin foil simmer ring!
I have all the stoves, including one that will run on fricking Diesel if it has to. But what I use is still usually the brs-3000T. It’s tiny and light, works really well. I mean, if you’re gonna be in places where buying gas canisters remains an option.
I always favoured an alcohol burner, my mates that had gas stoves just always seemed to be noisy and bulky, but after getting a gas kit that fits inside everything like a Russian doll I'm kinda converted to gas, although still heavier and bulkier in general, I like the ease of use. I just keep the flow at 50% so my peace isn't disturbed too much.
I either use Toaks alcohol or Primus multifuel, love them both but generally I would use the Primus in the colder months. Having a two pot system is easy as some pot nest conformable on a Nalgene 1L.
I'm not sure I have a favorite. I have gas stoves, alcohol stoves, white gas, and twig stoves. I choose based on the trip, the weather, and what sort of cooking I'm doing. Every stove has it's strengths and weaknesses. If I'm going out in warmer weather and just doing freeze dried or dehydrated food I reach for my soto windmaster. If I'm in cold weather where I'll need to purify lots of water or melt snow, or do real cooking I reach for my svea 123r or my whisperlite. If I'm doing real cooking but not boiling much water I may reach for my trangia or campingmoon turbo stove. Sometimes I'll bring my firebox nano and a tiny steel wok which fits it perfectly for making hash browns. Sometimes I'll pick a certain stove just because I feel like using it because it's been a while since it got some love.
Trying to learn about alcohol burners and smaller kits for keeping on hand in a bag or vehicle for a meal and a tea or coffee. This "boring" video was great
alcohol can be smaller lighter up to about 2-3 days then it loses due to alcohol fuel being less calorific dense than gas. The watershed is around the 3 day scenario. So your dinner-only / breakfast-only is a pre-filled closed alcohol burner, your dinner+breakfast add a 30-60ml bottle, your 2 nighter add say 100ml bottle, then above that scenario your fuel bottle becomes comparable to a 100g gas canister. The cross-over is say 250ml fuel bottle which about-right for 3 days. For sure when you get to 5 days I found I needed 500ml of alcohol which is larger+heavier than a 100g gas canister. All I wrote is what-you're-cooking dependent. Dehydrated need less, actual cooking needs more. Meths specifically is so calorie-non-dense, the flame is so gentle it is pushed easily to the side by any kind of side wind so you have to pair with the most encasing windshield possible, if you don't you never achieve a boil.
@@GeekfromYorkshireThank-you for this information - can I ask about longer trips though- you say on your 5 day trips, you needed 500ml of alcohol which was heavier - is that day one? I assume on day 5 you’ve still got a steel gas canister in your bag but if you had alcohol you would have a nearly empty plastic bottle, which would be lighter so are you calculating day 3 weights?
@@PippetWhippet Correct weights go down. A 1-2 day trip it's a nobrainer on weight as you're carrying a small alcohol bottle, but on a 5 day trip you're more wanting to allow for the variability, e.g. wind and so carry excess. I use about 13g of gas or about 60ml of meths per day but round-up and possibly splurge on food which takes more fuel towards last day. An empty meths bottle isn't zero weight. I'd have to do the maths of two systems allowing say a 25% spare as contingency. I refill my 100g canisters from 450g canisters to lower fuel costs so I pay roughly £1 for a week of fuel regardless of gas or alcohol. You can make both systems work, in meths case you're focusing on the windshield - because you can and need to, but can better simmer and cook real food with gas it's more of a boil water.
@@GeekfromYorkshire Thanks so much! I’m a long time gas user, but I only do weekend hikes - 1 overnight and usually have my dinner on Sunday and Breakfast of Saturday at home, so realistically I should actually get an alcohol stove setup - and save my gas for the holiday hikes I have. With you on the refilling of gas canisters, one of the best pieces of kit I bought was the little connector to let you do that!
@@PippetWhippet Weekender, an alcohol fuel stove system is a no-brainer weight saving and probably a volume saving. The choice of food decides your setup, just boiling water you don't need simmer control and so one of the setups where the windshield encases your pot size (600ml-700ml) would be most immune to wind and I've seen 30ml/day suffice. For headroom I use 100ml/per person / per day so a 200ml bottle but if you've got one of those wind shields which gives same boil time in windy conditions possibly a 60ml bottle would suffice. A 60ml of fuel in a bottle is probably 60g (as fuel is lighter than water) which is less than a gas canister with fuel.
Absolutely brilliant Stephen!..was not expecting that. I'm laughing with a very red face😂. Glad you like the setup and will get good use out of it. Thank you kindly for your very funny review 😊👍
i got a primus etalite stove. its bit over 400g. while i like alco stoves ,gel stoves, after some strugles to boil water in bad conditions which takes more fuel than u expect, the etalite makes things so easy. fast, eficient, keeps water hot for longer. for me having a hot drink is essential i even drink plain hot water on cold days. i think its totally worth it,unless you wanna go ultralight and save gramms..
Another great video,have used all sorts of stoves from Trangia to peak1 petrol but still find myself going back to simple alcohol stoves. Currently use a Speedster setup and am currently working out how to make a caldera cone .Keep up the good work 👍
My all time favourite is my stormin normin ultralight stove. The chap that made them has sadly passed away . It's light efficient and quick. 2nd to that msr 2 gas stove.i have so many others . like tents I match stoves to the environment/trip.
You're right about people spending too much time trying to buy the next best thing before they will go camping. Something new comes along pretty much every day so you would never get out there and camp. You would end up with a cupboard full of stuff that you will never get around to using. Also people have to remember that what works for one person doesn't mean it will work for them. I'm a two to three season camper. I don't mind if it happens to chuck it down if I'm bedded down for the night and I like the cooler weather for keeping the mozzies away but I'm not going hiking up the fells in rain and gales. I'm not going to be putting myself in a position where I need to spend more on a sleeping bag that costs more than my car just to make sure I don't freeze to death. Peace
Yeah I work in an industry we’re there’s a new gadget every 5mins or it feels like it (commercial filmmaking). At some stage you just have to find what works for you and stick with it
New subscriber... actually found you through the Paul Messner video which was great. Thanks for taking the time and effort to produce content. Cheers Sel
Hey Stephen, Love the idea of giveaways! love old used kit as older stuff tends Ito be better and more robust than newer stuff. I'm a "gas" man myself (pun intended LoL) but yeah gas all the way for me. I have a MSR pocket rocket with a 750 ML mini pot that I can use as a cup or something to cook pasta or camp meals in. The pocket rocket, gas container and lighter all fit into in nicely and I don't use a windshield as its powerful and I'm usually not using it in high winds. but yea maybe in the future ill convert to alcohol stoves again as I see the benefit and its much cheeper.
Thanks! This was a bit different for me, usually I like my product videos to be shorter and more scripted but decided to just see where this one went 🙂
The key word(s) you used was 'for camping'. Of course there are many types of camping. Back in my D of E days, waaay back in the mid to late '80s, and again when I was an expedition instructor training Army recruits about 20 or so years ago, the Trangia was the standard piece of equipment. Big bulky, but pretty much bomb proof and it did the job. Except for one occasion, when despite having been given the full safety brief an individual decided to 'top up' an already lit stove, then throw the now lit meths bottle, towards a tent, which resulted in one less tent within minutes, and 1 x recruit off to A&E with third degree burns. The tent was beyond help, but thankfully the recruit made a full recovery together with the new nickname of 'Crispy'. Have also used the standard hexamine stoves a heck of a lot, and now have swopped out hexamine for Firedragon cubes and gel, which comes in various forms, such as a bottle, and pouch. Great for emergency kit in the car, and for hiking too. So easy to use, and non spillable. For a long time I have used propane/butane cannisters, in all weathers, with a simple gas stove, now favouring the BRS3000, together with the plastic triangular stand for the cannister, for extra stability. Small enough, well, pretty much the smallest of any stove that exists, lasts a good length of time, and easy to use, very reliable, never had one go wrong and very resistant to wind, unlike most alcohol stoves. I also have a Coleman Feather 442, which I opted for rather than the sportster, as the weight isn't prohibitive and can still easily be used for hiking/backpacking, unless you're an ultralight obsessive who does things like cut the handle off your toothbrush and obsessively weighs your pack. It is an exceptionally rugged piece of kit and pumps out a lot of heat, and works in all weathers, with it's built in feet is also very stable, and can handle larger pots and bigger meals, ideal for 2+ people. The fuel is also pretty easy to get hold of, and in an emergency will work on all kinds of other fuels, such as unleaded petrol. Small alcohol stoves have their place, and have many advocates, but there are plenty of alternatives that do many things better, and you can tip them over to your hearts content with no issue, whereas tipping over an alcohol stove once, can be an interesting experience. Different strokes for different folks. None of the above are expensive, and I baulk at the cost of things like the Jetboil, which has been heavily marketed, and saves you a few minutes in boil time. Whoop te do. It's not as if you're in a massive hurry when you're camping. Reliability, ruggedness, ease of use, value for money, should be the main considerations when making your choice of gear, not boil time. Don't spend an extra £50-£100 just because it comes in Titanium and weighs a few ounces less. Complete waste of money. Spend your budget elsewhere where it is going to make a real difference, like double lined socks or 1000 mile socks, or a decent base layer.
Luckily these stoves don’t spill, which is part of the appeal. I hope Crispy went on to live an other non-burnt life. I have stoves like I have shoes. Some just suit certain situations better and some days I just fancy wearing a particular pair
@@StephenJReid and the accident wasn't caused by the stove spilling. At the end of the day the fuel is far more volatile than other options and the heat can't be adjusted. Alcohol stoves are certainly an option, just not convinced they are the best option for general use. That said, they are still going to have their devotees, particularly I think, in the ultralight community.
To speed up boil times in cold weather, avoid having the burner in contact with surfaces that will conduct away the heat. Put your burner and stand on a carbon felt pad. Also, the metal grate it was standing on probably causes too much airflow.
Grab a twig or a piece of grass and hold it over the burner to check if it is still burning. Easier on the skin. Like the look of the Bailey Burner. Definitely going to have one of those. I have recently become a convert of Trangia stoves using meths. I used to use gas stoves (and still do on occasions) but have learned to slow down and relax when cooking on a camping trip because, what's the rush? I also use a twig stove to boil a cup of water when on a day hike as its a chilled out way of getting a boil and you get to burn stuff.
@@StephenJReid up to now it's all I have used. But I am aware of other options, and now you have prompted me, I'll give it a go. It's a great excuse to go out in the woods and make tea, (as if I need an excuse, lol).
went to his ebay store to have a look at the kit like yours ,but it was only the burners (might still get one though lol). nice to see some local gear getting tested too.
Get the Speedster combined windshield / pot stand to use with the Speedster burner. It makes the burner much more efficient by funneling heat all the way up the sides of your mug. I reckon those 3 little pot stands that you clip on to the windshield will be easy to lose!
@@markbailey15 Depends what you mean by "great" Mark! They are never going to be fast or controllable like a gas or petrol stove but they are much lighter, simpler and way cheaper. For fast packing if I want to run and camp I take the 20ml burner and 60ml of fuel stored inside a 600ml titanium mug. That's super lightweight and packable and sufficient to make a dehydrated meal and a brew at night and another brew in the morning. I wouldn't choose the Speedster if I wanted to melt snow or cook a meal etc but they are "great" for some situations. What's your preferred stove?
Great video, really impressed with the Bailey Burner, I have the X Boil which is pretty similar as well as an ever faithfull Trangia. I rarely take gas with me these days as i just enjoy the whole experience of cooking and boiling water with an alcohol burner. First time I've come across your channel, love your presentation style and subscribed within the first 5 minutes. 👍 edit: follwed the link to the Biley Burner, but only see potstand / windshield and the burner. Doesn't seem like the two pots are for sale, which is a shame.
Thanks Alan! I experiment with my video style quite a bit. So some videos are a bit less chilled out. Mark emailed me to say they are selling like hotcakes now. I don’t think he has a ton of stock. Assume he can make more. Or you can buy those two pots on Amazon separately. I think this is them: amzn.to/3MNcZUa
@@markbailey15 thanks for the reply! If it wasn't for my two toddlers, and therefore generally bigger cooking needs I'd be buying one of your kits now!
@@markbailey15 I think your kit could be even better if the cup had a heat exchanger (squiggly metal welded to the bottom) it really works for quicker boil times (=less fuel used), but a little more weight.
Putting the puck up to your ear at the end was brilliant ... I'm not sure if you were trying to hear the flame or if you were checking to see if your hair burst into flame ... 🤣
Gas is the best fuel to use for camping. It's the cleanest burning fuel, much cleaner burning than alcohol (alcohol gives off toxic gas when it burns), it boils water much faster than other other fuels (3-4 minutes to boil 500ml of water is typical), it's instant to light, instant to put out, it can't spill and set you tent on fire (like Alcohol can) and it lasts for ages. And it doesn't make everything stink of smoke like a wood stove can or make your pot go black. The smallest widely available gas canister is a "100g canister". It holds 100g of gas when full and it weighs 100g when empty so it has a total weight of 200g when full. Use an ultralight and highly efficient stove with it, like the BRS3000T, which weighs under 26g, and that will be enough gas to boil 1.5 litres of water per day for at least 5 whole days, maybe even up to a whole week! And there is no need to throw the canister away when it's empty either as you can easily refill it again using cheap and easily available refill adapters (which can cost less than £4), using larger canisters, which works out much cheaper than buying a new 100g canister each time. The cheapest 100g canister costs around £3.99, and the price goes up from there but to refill one with pure Butane from a spray can shaped 227g canister only costs 52p! In fact I have been using the exact same 100g Primus canister for several years now! Now lets look a portability...The Toaks Light 650ml Titanium pot, which appears to be the pot Stephen was given in the above video, is the only Titanium pot worth buying if you are an ultra light wild camper like me) is big enough to take a 100g gas canister, a windshield, the BRS, a Forclaz folding spork (12g), a shorted plastic stirring spoon (3g), a Bic Mini lighter (the lightest gas lighter in the world at under 11g) and you still have room for small a bit's and bobs like a poly bag sweeteners. The lid goes on and to hold everything totally secure inside and keep every clean I use a Tread Light Gear DCF drawstring pot bag which is custom made to fit that particular pot (he makes bags to fit most other Titanium pots too). It weighs 3.5g.
Mark is right. Alcohol stoves aren't like butane/propane stoves. You have to tune each one to the right stand, windscreen and pot. The gaps and heights have to be just right to get good performance and efficiency. I've stayed away from using the wind screen as part of the stand so I can use it in multiple setups. Mine is super low tech with big paper clips to adjust the windscreen size to match the pot. My main setup just uses a Trangia mini in an Esbit triangle stand. The stand keeps the stove off the ground, which is good for efficiency, especially in the snow, and also makes the setup very stable with such a wide base. It quickly converts to a hexamine burner with a round plate replacing the Trangia, which is a great minimalist build for a solo camping run with very light equipment (solo tarp, bivy, mosquito net, ...). I'm no longer camping with the boy scouts, whose lawyers don't allow improvised liquid fuel stoves, so I can get beyond the weight and efficiency of a trangia and get back to home built stove sets that can be lighter and more efficient - if I put in the effort to tune it up. I'll be able to use my dumb windscreen or a similar one with a carefully chosen stove style. But I have been exposed to the good parts of the Trangia/Esbit combo and can no longer settle for wobbly designs that let the ground/snow chill the stove. So it will end up better than my old home built stove setups. Exposure to other viewpoints is critical to real advancement. My suffering through the BSA legal restrictions has yielded fruit. There are also some unusual stove designs that may allow burning alternate fuels. So I'll play with that. I'll probably work up a convertible 2 or 3 stove system using mostly shared components. I want to have at least a super light setup with a fast start, high power and probably no simmer mode (cat stove? fancy feast?), a medium weight kit for more complex cooking with good adjustable power, and a large kit with a bigger pot for two people and a stronger stove. And of course a hexamine option. I'll probably add in a hobo kit made with tin cans as most of the build, likely able to burn twigs, charcoal and maybe coal. Maybe even discarded cooking oil. Or using whatever a modern day hobo can easily get. Should be fun!
It depends what you are doing and what to achieve. Just basic alone either a trangia typ system will do most things. For more complicated you may need gas or even solid wood or gas stove dont rely on one system, you may need a combination of stoves and fires.
Gas if I’m long distance hiking, meths if I’m doing day hikes or bushcraft. For me it’s all about time, gas if I want a quick brew and then get back on the trail, meths (Trangia stove) for more relaxed and chilled camps and hikes 👍🏻
Newbie to your channel, I enjoyed that. Why do we try to find new stoves when we all started with the trangia that still boils faster than most and has already been tested to the extreme 🤔. And versatile enough to be used within any cook system. Saying all this, I'll probably buy one of those burners as I and the rest of the planet like new items to have in our collection 😅
Trangia is a tried and tested awesome stove but can be dangerous to use in a tent if knocked over were as these burners will not spill if knocked over👍
Actually enjoyed the boring video, even the format felt like just sitting across the table from you for a chat. I like the idea of the alcohol burner in theory (have never tried one in the wild) but I would find it hard to pass on MSR windburner type stove for speed. I suppose thats the trade off, size, weight and speed Vs small light and slow. Still going to buy one of these....cause i like gear and I like supporting the local guy more than the big companies.
Thanks Rory! Yeah it depends on what you are doing. If I was planning a summit camp in winter I would be more likely to bring the gas because heating water fast could turn out to be important. Especially for my hot water bottle 😂 but for fast and light or relaxed camps, I’ll likely bring alcohol stov
Nooo Stephen, no! I don’t need another stove or cookset, dammit man! I can’t! I won’t watch!! I’m not looking!! I have 5 already!! 😭 it’s an illness. Ok, how much is it? I’m off to look. P.s. I enjoyed the video 👍🏼🍻 Cheers, Gary B.
See what you’ve there is actually invented the barbecue 😂 that must be great, sailing around and roasting fish or seaweed (if your vegan) on a fire on the beach
@@StephenJReid it is. The fish taste way better than you get in the shops. But what really makes it special is sometimes there are a bunch of other people on boats and it ends up being a pot luck , good conversations and good times
@@StephenJReid so people here use a paddle kayak that has rod holders and a cooler and a small fish Finder. I can imagine that being a very funny and comedy worthy Video with a paddle board though
My advice is , firstly , use a gas stove with a butane/propane gas mix as your main choice of stove. Secondly, If going on a expedition into the wilds of Scotland take a Primus/MSR Whisperlite stove. Have a emergency backup stove with solid fuel/meths with you, as when visiting remote bothies you often come across half used bottles of meths left behind by generous (some would say lazy) previous visitors. I have a ultra-light stove made from a medium shoe polish tin and a legnth of stove rope which weighs next to nothing and enables me to utilise "donated" fuel and save my usual fuel supply. Happt Trails Folk.
What a great video championing some UK garage gear kit, also thanks for the speedster site link. It would be good to cover more small enterprise made gear. Video laced with good humour as well, what more can one ask for?
I like the swiss army volcano stove, it is not exactly compact but it is quick, however horses for courses, I recently bought a really cheap and nasty 8 wick paraffin stove from fleabay and you know what I love it, but it is not for backpacking so much as glamping.
Have changed my mug to one of those fold flat jobs as drinking out of the titanium mug was strange ( I think it has a weird metallic taste ) Would go alcohol for just water boils and go Gas for the burgers or steak :-) . Really impressed with the price of the Bailey burners was thinking they were gonna be over £20 tbh . ( might look at one of those for inside the tent ) Might have to rejoin the channel again for the chance to win your unwanted tat 😂😂😝
Yeah I’m surprised how cheap a lot of the spill proof burners are, can’t be making much money on them. Although don’t say that too loud or the prices will go up! Interestingly my old mug tastes a bit funny to drink from but the new one doesn’t. I’ve got one of those folding mugs too. Would fit in the 700ml mug actually instead of the smaller one if I wanted.
Smaller pots take longer than bigger ones to boil the same amount of water, so testing would need to be done to see which weighs more, a bigger pot with less fuel or smaller pot with more.
I just use my bushbox XL, although the XXL looks good. Having said that some people in your position prefer alcohol burners, just to save weight. If you're in to all things stovey, head on over to Kent survival gear and review channel for tips. Personally just enjoy what you do, your resident stroke survivor.
Be careful brother. Alcohol fumes are really dangerous inside a tent. I'd recommend a quality butane stove if you have to close the door. The Blade II from Fire Maple is one of the least CO producing ones.
How? The only emissions produced from burning bioethanol fuel are heat, water vapour, and carbon dioxide. Butane is more dangerous as it can release carbon monoxide.
Great setup, love the wind shield. I haven’t ventured into alcohol stoves much, the slow boil times puts me off. But tempted to give it another go. Where do you get the bioethanol?
got it on Amazon was £12 for 2 litres delivered. Works out at about 15p per boil, assuming it takes about 25mls to boil 500ml. If you buy in in bulk you can more than halve the cost.
@@StephenJReid cheers, i'm surprised that amazon would even deliver that to NI. i'm guessing that's what you were squirting over your path and lighting in your short video lol
I've never used an alcohol stove, only gas - you can at least hear when its going and certainly when its lit. Could you put it out by putting your pot on top of it, rather that blowing it out? I've seen people putting the lid that comes with Trangia stove on top of the base to kill the flame - although a bit gingerly (if that's the correct term) to avoid burning their fingers.
Send your old cup to paul messner as a Xmas present 😁 I like the set but really like the anti spill butI’d still go up like guy Fawkes think I should stay with gas lol
This makes less noise and for one nighters can be a lot less weight too as instead of carrying a 100gram gas canister that weighs 200gram, you could get away with 50ml of ethanol already in the burner, which would be about 75grams for fuel and the burner. But really I think there’s just something nice about the alcohol stoves. I like the smell too.
That's more-or-less an X-Boil rip-off....... It's a grand little set-up (X-Boil) and is my go to for when I just need to boil water. You can carry the burner with fuel in your trouser pocket, or jacket, to keep it warm, that way it will ignite & burn far easier, especially in sub-zero temperatures.ATB
I have messaged the Ebay page for Bailey Burners to find out where to get this wee kit but am not getting a clear answer. Yes, I can buy the burner tins but not the whole kit as far as I can tell. Has anyone had any luck buying the kit?
There is NO such thing as "best stove", there is only "best for the purpose" stove! What is best for the 'gram-counters' is almost useless for car and RV campers (the Silent MAJORITY here in North America).
You crack me up Stephen. One of the great joys of having too much gear is the hours spent pondering do I take my alcohol stove, or do I take my gas burner, or do I try a mixture, or how many coffees do I really need, and what cooking will I be doing. Oh the anxiety of it all. And then, do I bring a pan (the answer is yes)! Gear nerdery.
Haha yeah. If I’m in a hurry I’ll grab gas, less or a hurry or ultralight one night: alcohol. Camping in the woods in winter, twig stove.
Your Lofi review is how I found your channel. Do you still use it? Just the coolest thing
@@snoop2477 Funny you should ask, Jonny just commented on this video. My copy is a slightly more delicate handmade prototype version than the final retail ones so I've not used it as much partly due to not wanting to break it. But I really should use it again, it's a very clever stove. Definitely can't use it in a tent though!
There is that. Thats what vestibules are for. I cringe when I sew people use them on the tent floor.
As an owner of many different stoves. The best you can get is every different kind of stove ☺️
Haha true
The correct number of stoves to own is worked out by the formula n+1. Where n is the number of stoves you currently own. 😉
@@TheOpenboater😂Exactly the comment I was about to make😂You save me the effort!🙏🙏
I’m delighted you showed this , me and my friend were scared of the Bailey burner . We did not know it blows out. It didn’t come with the crown stand so we put it in a silver folding mini twig burning thing and it got so hot we couldn’t move it. I can’t believe we never thought to blow it out OMG 😂
😂 you’re welcome
That is a really tidy solution. Love how the pot stand uses the wind sheild.
Yeah it’s a very nice solutions
Stephen. welcome to the wonderful world of alcohol stoves - it is a "fun" rabbit hole to go down. I make my own now IF I need one as there are so many types, configurations, and designs, that do what you might need them to do. I have enjoyed the journey and ended up with a manufactured one that is smaller but not self-contained but can be used for boiling water OR actual cooking of food - though I do have one I made myself like the Bailey one, which is a great little stove and I use it for just coffee on the go. Awesome that Mark sent you those - great little configurations. Thanks for sharing
Yeah I think the next step is attempting to make my own!
I am a gear addict and have several alcohol stove setups. This is a really nice little set I wish I had over here in the states. I can piece together most of it, but I truly love the little pot stand holders that fit onto the wind screen. How cool that he reached out to you!
You can make your own Kojin stove, and caldera cone which serves as a windshield and pot stand all in one. Not hard to make, but any craftsman will help out
@@pedroclaro7822 Thanks. I have a kojin stove and caldera cone windscreen. Those windscreens are made to fit particular titanium cups and pots. Some of my toaks pots have been modified with a slight ridge to keep them from sliding down into the particular screen or cone they came with as a set. Unfortunately, my different alcohol sets and windscreens cannot always be mixed and matched. Some pots go too far down. The little clips would solve this problems so that I could mix and match more of my sets.
As far as this set up, I love the little pot clips that allow a smaller cup, for instance a 450 ml, to be used with a windscreen that has a wider opening for a 750 ml cup. Specifically, I like how they hook onto the side, but then dip down lower into the windscreen protected area. They'd take the place of the modification that I have in a couple of my toaks cups creating a ridge which keeps them from sliding down too far onto the kojin stove and putting out the flame.
In looking at those little clips, they nearly seem like something that may already be crafted for another purpose, but I don't have the hardware experience to know.
@@LMay64 those clips are ingenious. I hadn’t thought of something like that when I made mine!
I made mine with 0.2 mm steel and 0.1mm titanium (two versions, titanium is hard to cut though lighter). Cut holes in them with a hole puncher and slits with a bandsaw. Slits so they interlock, but that wasn’t enough to hold weight of a full 1.6L pot.
What I like best is using two spare pegs (cylindrical) which I don’t always use - vestibule/complex tarp configurations.
I made three rows of holes. Top and bottom for air inlet and outlets, and one 8mm from the top of the sheet. The middle row isn’t a full row, just a set of holes that allow me to place the 2 stakes in, as a pot stand, and to adjust the diameter of the cone, so as to fit different sized pots.
And I align and poke through two of the bottom holes with my pencil, to hold it together at the bottom and form the cone shape.
I’d like to patent and fully design this, but I don’t have the resources unfortunately.
Yeah was really decent of him! Outdoor kit is a bit addictive, that’s part of the fun I think as long as it doesn’t become a distraction
Thanks Stephan for the video. My favorite stove is a titanium wood stove that I can also use an alcohol stove in.
To put the stove out just put your pot (or a lid) straight onto the stove. It will starve it of oxygen and extinguish the flame, safer than blowing it.
It's an anti spill stove, if you put the lid on top it could burn the seal. Blowing it out is the safest and easiest way
@@markbailey15I agree but I meant use the pot lid
What an awesome cook set, I'm in the market for one for a Christmas present to myself and was going to buy the trangia but your video is timed impeccably...one of these cook sets is exactly what I'm after 👌
Christmas presents for yourself is the best part of being an adult 😂
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Not boring at all! In fact, you've seriously tempted me to consider an alcohol stove for the first time ... and extra interesting because its produced locally 🙂
Give the cup a quick buff with a Magic Eraser to bring back the original patina before handing it off. Love your content and the associated humor. Cheers!
I’ve scrubbed it with a Brillo pad to little improvement 😂 now debating maybe keeping it and giving away one of my spare cooksets instead.
I have the 50ml Speedster burner, the big one, and a DIY coathanger stand, and a DIY Caldera cone. I will admit it's hard to get a full rolling boil but it's great for cooking and simmering. I am still getting used to how exactly long to leave it, but it usually boils within 4-5 mins.
Been watching the burner + windshield for a few weeks on ebay holding off on getting one. Wish I had gone for it now as they're out of stock. Good to see a thorough review though. I'll be getting one once they are available again.
Next week👍🙂
I think I'm learning that the most important thing with alcohol stoves is an efficient heat exchange between the flame and cup. Maximise the surface area in contact between the two. Either increase the area of the base with jetboil style fins or heat the sides of the cup too like the caldera cone does. If not, you're wasting lots of fuel. Half the heat escapes without doing anything. The cup needs to be enclosed in basically an oven. Extend the wind shield up and over the top of the cup. Aluminium foil flexible ducting is my first idea. Very light, keeps it shape and concertinas back down when not in use. We'll see how well that works.
Look at any Trangia, they ensure an about an 1 - 1.5 inch distance between flame and pot, a wide shallow pot so a meandering flame still is mostly near the pot, and an encasing windshield, with the air coming up from beneath to the whole height of the pot so all the heat is dumped into the pot.
Any efficient cook kit would emulate that.
The Titanium pots *tend* to be narrow+tall so it's already throwing heat away to the air downwind.
There are cook kits which borrow from the Trangia concept where the stand encloses a wide pot, but to get the required height from the flame is a two-level folded stand.
I've weighed my Trangia pots they're not heavier than my Titanium pots.
What a fun video! I'm loving playing around with my alcohol stove :) Time to kit up a new one cup wonder.
I think half the fun is all the combos that you can build
I use a BCB stove with two very simple alcohol burners that fit nicely. I light both to boil and just one to simmer. I can get a pair of 20ml alcohol bottles and a lighter in it. Ideal for a day trip and a weekend away with more meths. I'm going to put up a video detailing it next year on another channel
Clever
i started off with the ultralight cook set ( that's only good for boiling water like all of them,i mean you could not even boil an egg ) but i started bringing my Trangia 27 as in the Uk or Ireland you will be passing shops i was eating fillet steak in a home made peppercorn sauce with fresh made chips and veg but the Trangia cook set is 1379 grams or 799 grams if you leave the extras at home ,all in. compared to 298 grams for the toaks titanium cook set. but bear in mind a days freeze meals are about 520 grams and about 50 pound in total ,if you go around your local supermarket with half that money, you can fresh veg ,mushrooms etc noodles use cup a soup to make a sauce or make it fresh bring some Ready made flour mix for flat bread ,pancakes and also you have to have the water to rehydrate . and i am sick of all that expensive shite
I want to cook more real food over winter. Tend to grab the dehydrated stuff in summer. But with it being dark for hours in winter, real food is the way to go
yes just keep the fresh veg in a brown paper bag they will stay fresh for a few or several days and not weight that much
@@StephenJReid
Hello from a new subscriber, and a great video BTW 👍
Always been a big fan of alcohol stoves, I just love the simplicity.
My current set up is a home made shoe polish tin alcohol stove (I have one of similar construction to that Bailey Burner, and one containing stove rope) which sits in an Esbit solid fuel stove.
A few Hexi blocks along with my supply of alcohol ensures I always have a back up should I need it.
Add a cheap windshield, and one of those no-name 2 piece Chinese cooksets, and while nowhere near as light or compact as yours, does exactly what I need it to.
Sounds like a good setup
Best ever clickbait 😊
I have the similar x-boil set up (I ALSO have that little burner with the wire stand).
Ive been experimenting with a tin foil with a small hole to use to simmer the flame. Not got it quite right yet.
I went for the “title too honest so it makes it seem like something else is going on” approach 🙂 experimenting a bit more with interesting titles atm. Interesting idea with a tin foil simmer ring!
I have all the stoves, including one that will run on fricking Diesel if it has to. But what I use is still usually the brs-3000T. It’s tiny and light, works really well. I mean, if you’re gonna be in places where buying gas canisters remains an option.
I have that BRS stove too, but stopped trusting it after the supports melted and bent
I always favoured an alcohol burner, my mates that had gas stoves just always seemed to be noisy and bulky, but after getting a gas kit that fits inside everything like a Russian doll I'm kinda converted to gas, although still heavier and bulkier in general, I like the ease of use. I just keep the flow at 50% so my peace isn't disturbed too much.
I grab my gas stove when I know I’ll just want to cook as fast as possible.
You’re almost never going to need to run a gas stove at full whack.
I either use Toaks alcohol or Primus multifuel, love them both but generally I would use the Primus in the colder months. Having a two pot system is easy as some pot nest conformable on a Nalgene 1L.
I'm not sure I have a favorite. I have gas stoves, alcohol stoves, white gas, and twig stoves. I choose based on the trip, the weather, and what sort of cooking I'm doing. Every stove has it's strengths and weaknesses. If I'm going out in warmer weather and just doing freeze dried or dehydrated food I reach for my soto windmaster. If I'm in cold weather where I'll need to purify lots of water or melt snow, or do real cooking I reach for my svea 123r or my whisperlite. If I'm doing real cooking but not boiling much water I may reach for my trangia or campingmoon turbo stove. Sometimes I'll bring my firebox nano and a tiny steel wok which fits it perfectly for making hash browns. Sometimes I'll pick a certain stove just because I feel like using it because it's been a while since it got some love.
Trying to learn about alcohol burners and smaller kits for keeping on hand in a bag or vehicle for a meal and a tea or coffee. This "boring" video was great
alcohol can be smaller lighter up to about 2-3 days then it loses due to alcohol fuel being less calorific dense than gas. The watershed is around the 3 day scenario. So your dinner-only / breakfast-only is a pre-filled closed alcohol burner, your dinner+breakfast add a 30-60ml bottle, your 2 nighter add say 100ml bottle, then above that scenario your fuel bottle becomes comparable to a 100g gas canister. The cross-over is say 250ml fuel bottle which about-right for 3 days. For sure when you get to 5 days I found I needed 500ml of alcohol which is larger+heavier than a 100g gas canister.
All I wrote is what-you're-cooking dependent. Dehydrated need less, actual cooking needs more.
Meths specifically is so calorie-non-dense, the flame is so gentle it is pushed easily to the side by any kind of side wind so you have to pair with the most encasing windshield possible, if you don't you never achieve a boil.
@@GeekfromYorkshireThank-you for this information - can I ask about longer trips though- you say on your 5 day trips, you needed 500ml of alcohol which was heavier - is that day one? I assume on day 5 you’ve still got a steel gas canister in your bag but if you had alcohol you would have a nearly empty plastic bottle, which would be lighter so are you calculating day 3 weights?
@@PippetWhippet Correct weights go down. A 1-2 day trip it's a nobrainer on weight as you're carrying a small alcohol bottle, but on a 5 day trip you're more wanting to allow for the variability, e.g. wind and so carry excess. I use about 13g of gas or about 60ml of meths per day but round-up and possibly splurge on food which takes more fuel towards last day. An empty meths bottle isn't zero weight.
I'd have to do the maths of two systems allowing say a 25% spare as contingency. I refill my 100g canisters from 450g canisters to lower fuel costs so I pay roughly £1 for a week of fuel regardless of gas or alcohol.
You can make both systems work, in meths case you're focusing on the windshield - because you can and need to, but can better simmer and cook real food with gas it's more of a boil water.
@@GeekfromYorkshire Thanks so much! I’m a long time gas user, but I only do weekend hikes - 1 overnight and usually have my dinner on Sunday and Breakfast of Saturday at home, so realistically I should actually get an alcohol stove setup - and save my gas for the holiday hikes I have. With you on the refilling of gas canisters, one of the best pieces of kit I bought was the little connector to let you do that!
@@PippetWhippet Weekender, an alcohol fuel stove system is a no-brainer weight saving and probably a volume saving.
The choice of food decides your setup, just boiling water you don't need simmer control and so one of the setups where the windshield encases your pot size (600ml-700ml) would be most immune to wind and I've seen 30ml/day suffice. For headroom I use 100ml/per person / per day so a 200ml bottle but if you've got one of those wind shields which gives same boil time in windy conditions possibly a 60ml bottle would suffice. A 60ml of fuel in a bottle is probably 60g (as fuel is lighter than water) which is less than a gas canister with fuel.
Like the look of the Bailey Burner...😊
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Absolutely brilliant Stephen!..was not expecting that. I'm laughing with a very red face😂. Glad you like the setup and will get good use out of it. Thank you kindly for your very funny review 😊👍
No problem Mark! It’s a great setup, hope you sell a few! Might try and use the big burner with my frying pan on my next camp!
Big burner works well for frying and believe it or not that's why I made it. It's does give a better boil time but a bit big for the pot
Hey @markbailey15 I only see the burners on Ebay. Do you have the windshield and supports for sale too?
@@nialloutdoorssold out ATM but more on the way, should be good for next week, cheers👍
@@markbailey15Will you have the cook sets available before Christmas? I should have bought it when I had the chance!
i got a primus etalite stove. its bit over 400g.
while i like alco stoves ,gel stoves, after some strugles to boil water in bad conditions which takes more fuel than u expect, the etalite makes things so easy. fast, eficient, keeps water hot for longer. for me having a hot drink is essential i even drink plain hot water on cold days. i think its totally worth it,unless you wanna go ultralight and save gramms..
Another great video,have used all sorts of stoves from Trangia to peak1 petrol but still find myself going back to simple alcohol stoves.
Currently use a Speedster setup and am currently working out how to make a caldera cone .Keep up the good work 👍
speedster setup?
@@fredohyeah look up speedster stoves they sell alcohol burners and full windshield and cookset setups great kit
My all time favourite is my stormin normin ultralight stove. The chap that made them has sadly passed away . It's light efficient and quick. 2nd to that msr 2 gas stove.i have so many others . like tents I match stoves to the environment/trip.
Even the name of that stove is a winner!
Hey Stranger, fancy seeing you here 👍
@@BurtonOutdoors I get about 😄
@@WildCamper 🤣🤣👍
I am looking at this burner because I seem to have misplaced my (VERY old) Winfield meths picnic stove from my childhood camping circa 50yrs ago!
You're right about people spending too much time trying to buy the next best thing before they will go camping. Something new comes along pretty much every day so you would never get out there and camp. You would end up with a cupboard full of stuff that you will never get around to using. Also people have to remember that what works for one person doesn't mean it will work for them.
I'm a two to three season camper. I don't mind if it happens to chuck it down if I'm bedded down for the night and I like the cooler weather for keeping the mozzies away but I'm not going hiking up the fells in rain and gales. I'm not going to be putting myself in a position where I need to spend more on a sleeping bag that costs more than my car just to make sure I don't freeze to death.
Peace
Yeah I work in an industry we’re there’s a new gadget every 5mins or it feels like it (commercial filmmaking). At some stage you just have to find what works for you and stick with it
New subscriber... actually found you through the Paul Messner video which was great. Thanks for taking the time and effort to produce content. Cheers Sel
Thanks, welcome aboard 🙂
Never ever boring Stephen. I will just have to convince the wife that I need yet another stove.
😂 good luck’
Eco zoom rocket burner. Heavy but i use it for van/camping cooking.
Where did you get this small pot stands/hooks? Great thing but I can't find them😕
I think he ran out of stock
They're are actually Xboil pot hooks but are very hard to get, trying to get them made
Buy B&Q picture hooks and bend into shape 😉
Hey Stephen, Love the idea of giveaways! love old used kit as older stuff tends Ito be better and more robust than newer stuff. I'm a "gas" man myself (pun intended LoL) but yeah gas all the way for me. I have a MSR pocket rocket with a 750 ML mini pot that I can use as a cup or something to cook pasta or camp meals in. The pocket rocket, gas container and lighter all fit into in nicely and I don't use a windshield as its powerful and I'm usually not using it in high winds. but yea maybe in the future ill convert to alcohol stoves again as I see the benefit and its much cheeper.
I had a look and I actually have a a new titanium mug spare. I might make up a wee cookset and give that away to a random member.
enjoyed this video thank you and a good looking bit of kit from Mr BAILY.
Great video. Love the chatty style you have as a newer subscriber I find it very easy to watch and relate to. Thanks.
Thanks! This was a bit different for me, usually I like my product videos to be shorter and more scripted but decided to just see where this one went 🙂
Mine arrived today, good little burner
Enjoy 🙂
Interesting stuff, might just change from my 1kg Trangia. Thanks Stephen.
Just realised I didn’t post the weights of any of this 🙈 it’s light!
Trangia is heavy, bulky and clanky.
But apples to apples weight comparison is 570g not 1kg.
The key word(s) you used was 'for camping'. Of course there are many types of camping.
Back in my D of E days, waaay back in the mid to late '80s, and again when I was an expedition instructor training Army recruits about 20 or so years ago, the Trangia was the standard piece of equipment. Big bulky, but pretty much bomb proof and it did the job. Except for one occasion, when despite having been given the full safety brief an individual decided to 'top up' an already lit stove, then throw the now lit meths bottle, towards a tent, which resulted in one less tent within minutes, and 1 x recruit off to A&E with third degree burns. The tent was beyond help, but thankfully the recruit made a full recovery together with the new nickname of 'Crispy'.
Have also used the standard hexamine stoves a heck of a lot, and now have swopped out hexamine for Firedragon cubes and gel, which comes in various forms, such as a bottle, and pouch. Great for emergency kit in the car, and for hiking too. So easy to use, and non spillable.
For a long time I have used propane/butane cannisters, in all weathers, with a simple gas stove, now favouring the BRS3000, together with the plastic triangular stand for the cannister, for extra stability. Small enough, well, pretty much the smallest of any stove that exists, lasts a good length of time, and easy to use, very reliable, never had one go wrong and very resistant to wind, unlike most alcohol stoves.
I also have a Coleman Feather 442, which I opted for rather than the sportster, as the weight isn't prohibitive and can still easily be used for hiking/backpacking, unless you're an ultralight obsessive who does things like cut the handle off your toothbrush and obsessively weighs your pack. It is an exceptionally rugged piece of kit and pumps out a lot of heat, and works in all weathers, with it's built in feet is also very stable, and can handle larger pots and bigger meals, ideal for 2+ people. The fuel is also pretty easy to get hold of, and in an emergency will work on all kinds of other fuels, such as unleaded petrol.
Small alcohol stoves have their place, and have many advocates, but there are plenty of alternatives that do many things better, and you can tip them over to your hearts content with no issue, whereas tipping over an alcohol stove once, can be an interesting experience.
Different strokes for different folks. None of the above are expensive, and I baulk at the cost of things like the Jetboil, which has been heavily marketed, and saves you a few minutes in boil time. Whoop te do. It's not as if you're in a massive hurry when you're camping. Reliability, ruggedness, ease of use, value for money, should be the main considerations when making your choice of gear, not boil time. Don't spend an extra £50-£100 just because it comes in Titanium and weighs a few ounces less. Complete waste of money. Spend your budget elsewhere where it is going to make a real difference, like double lined socks or 1000 mile socks, or a decent base layer.
Luckily these stoves don’t spill, which is part of the appeal. I hope Crispy went on to live an other non-burnt life.
I have stoves like I have shoes. Some just suit certain situations better and some days I just fancy wearing a particular pair
@@StephenJReid and the accident wasn't caused by the stove spilling. At the end of the day the fuel is far more volatile than other options and the heat can't be adjusted.
Alcohol stoves are certainly an option, just not convinced they are the best option for general use.
That said, they are still going to have their devotees, particularly I think, in the ultralight community.
To speed up boil times in cold weather, avoid having the burner in contact with surfaces that will conduct away the heat. Put your burner and stand on a carbon felt pad. Also, the metal grate it was standing on probably causes too much airflow.
Not boring, like watching Paul Daniels setting up a trick, bring Debbie with you to Tollymore next time. Love it.
😂 I’ll tell Louise
Grab a twig or a piece of grass and hold it over the burner to check if it is still burning. Easier on the skin.
Like the look of the Bailey Burner. Definitely going to have one of those.
I have recently become a convert of Trangia stoves using meths. I used to use gas stoves (and still do on occasions) but have learned to slow down and relax when cooking on a camping trip because, what's the rush? I also use a twig stove to boil a cup of water when on a day hike as its a chilled out way of getting a boil and you get to burn stuff.
Do you always use meths? I read that bioethanol burns cleaner so that’s why I’ve switched.
@@StephenJReid up to now it's all I have used. But I am aware of other options, and now you have prompted me, I'll give it a go. It's a great excuse to go out in the woods and make tea, (as if I need an excuse, lol).
went to his ebay store to have a look at the kit like yours ,but it was only the burners (might still get one though lol). nice to see some local gear getting tested too.
Should be good to go next week, wasn't expecting the review or the mad influx of orders lol
Awesome for you bud
@@markbailey15 Same query: I see the burners on ebay but not the full kit. Are they for sale somewhere else?
Nice, but I love my Trangia burner.
Get the Speedster combined windshield / pot stand to use with the Speedster burner. It makes the burner much more efficient by funneling heat all the way up the sides of your mug.
I reckon those 3 little pot stands that you clip on to the windshield will be easy to lose!
Speedster stoves aren't that great
@@markbailey15 Depends what you mean by "great" Mark!
They are never going to be fast or controllable like a gas or petrol stove but they are much lighter, simpler and way cheaper.
For fast packing if I want to run and camp I take the 20ml burner and 60ml of fuel stored inside a 600ml titanium mug. That's super lightweight and packable and sufficient to make a dehydrated meal and a brew at night and another brew in the morning.
I wouldn't choose the Speedster if I wanted to melt snow or cook a meal etc but they are "great" for some situations.
What's your preferred stove?
Happy to see you are using the Pocket 3 as main camera.......😀
Well spotted. Been loving how quick and easy it is to set up. Still figuring out the best uses for it.
Great video, really impressed with the Bailey Burner, I have the X Boil which is pretty similar as well as an ever faithfull Trangia. I rarely take gas with me these days as i just enjoy the whole experience of cooking and boiling water with an alcohol burner. First time I've come across your channel, love your presentation style and subscribed within the first 5 minutes. 👍 edit: follwed the link to the Biley Burner, but only see potstand / windshield and the burner. Doesn't seem like the two pots are for sale, which is a shame.
Thanks Alan! I experiment with my video style quite a bit. So some videos are a bit less chilled out.
Mark emailed me to say they are selling like hotcakes now. I don’t think he has a ton of stock. Assume he can make more.
Or you can buy those two pots on Amazon separately. I think this is them: amzn.to/3MNcZUa
Hi Alan, the pots have sold out but hopefully have a few more up in a day or 2👍
@@markbailey15 Thanks for the reply Mark. i'll keep my eye on your ebay shop 👍
That's a great setup! Wonder if Mr bailey does bespoke windshields!
Not sure, I think maybe he puts these kits together from other suppliers. It’s really well thought out
Sorry, it's just a generic windshield I buy to use with the kit
@@markbailey15 thanks for the reply!
If it wasn't for my two toddlers, and therefore generally bigger cooking needs I'd be buying one of your kits now!
@@markbailey15 I think your kit could be even better if the cup had a heat exchanger (squiggly metal welded to the bottom) it really works for quicker boil times (=less fuel used), but a little more weight.
Putting the puck up to your ear at the end was brilliant ... I'm not sure if you were trying to hear the flame or if you were checking to see if your hair burst into flame ... 🤣
I thought it was trying to tell me something!
He’s only got the burners on eBay now, no full kits. Any links to the full kits please? 👍🏼
Full kits will be back up next week👍
Alcohol stoves ftw - if I'm camping I'm usually not rushing anywhere, so a slow boil time is worth it for the quiet :)
Excellent video again mate, I love different setups like this, question though, where did you get the clips that go on the windshield?
Gas is the best fuel to use for camping. It's the cleanest burning fuel, much cleaner burning than alcohol (alcohol gives off toxic gas when it burns), it boils water much faster than other other fuels (3-4 minutes to boil 500ml of water is typical), it's instant to light, instant to put out, it can't spill and set you tent on fire (like Alcohol can) and it lasts for ages. And it doesn't make everything stink of smoke like a wood stove can or make your pot go black.
The smallest widely available gas canister is a "100g canister". It holds 100g of gas when full and it weighs 100g when empty so it has a total weight of 200g when full.
Use an ultralight and highly efficient stove with it, like the BRS3000T, which weighs under 26g, and that will be enough gas to boil 1.5 litres of water per day for at least 5 whole days, maybe even up to a whole week!
And there is no need to throw the canister away when it's empty either as you can easily refill it again using cheap and easily available refill adapters (which can cost less than £4), using larger canisters, which works out much cheaper than buying a new 100g canister each time.
The cheapest 100g canister costs around £3.99, and the price goes up from there but to refill one with pure Butane from a spray can shaped 227g canister only costs 52p!
In fact I have been using the exact same 100g Primus canister for several years now!
Now lets look a portability...The Toaks Light 650ml Titanium pot, which appears to be the pot Stephen was given in the above video, is the only Titanium pot worth buying if you are an ultra light wild camper like me) is big enough to take a 100g gas canister, a windshield, the BRS, a Forclaz folding spork (12g), a shorted plastic stirring spoon (3g), a Bic Mini lighter (the lightest gas lighter in the world at under 11g) and you still have room for small a bit's and bobs like a poly bag sweeteners. The lid goes on and to hold everything totally secure inside and keep every clean I use a Tread Light Gear DCF drawstring pot bag which is custom made to fit that particular pot (he makes bags to fit most other Titanium pots too). It weighs 3.5g.
Mark is right. Alcohol stoves aren't like butane/propane stoves. You have to tune each one to the right stand, windscreen and pot. The gaps and heights have to be just right to get good performance and efficiency. I've stayed away from using the wind screen as part of the stand so I can use it in multiple setups. Mine is super low tech with big paper clips to adjust the windscreen size to match the pot. My main setup just uses a Trangia mini in an Esbit triangle stand. The stand keeps the stove off the ground, which is good for efficiency, especially in the snow, and also makes the setup very stable with such a wide base. It quickly converts to a hexamine burner with a round plate replacing the Trangia, which is a great minimalist build for a solo camping run with very light equipment (solo tarp, bivy, mosquito net, ...).
I'm no longer camping with the boy scouts, whose lawyers don't allow improvised liquid fuel stoves, so I can get beyond the weight and efficiency of a trangia and get back to home built stove sets that can be lighter and more efficient - if I put in the effort to tune it up. I'll be able to use my dumb windscreen or a similar one with a carefully chosen stove style. But I have been exposed to the good parts of the Trangia/Esbit combo and can no longer settle for wobbly designs that let the ground/snow chill the stove. So it will end up better than my old home built stove setups. Exposure to other viewpoints is critical to real advancement. My suffering through the BSA legal restrictions has yielded fruit. There are also some unusual stove designs that may allow burning alternate fuels. So I'll play with that. I'll probably work up a convertible 2 or 3 stove system using mostly shared components. I want to have at least a super light setup with a fast start, high power and probably no simmer mode (cat stove? fancy feast?), a medium weight kit for more complex cooking with good adjustable power, and a large kit with a bigger pot for two people and a stronger stove. And of course a hexamine option. I'll probably add in a hobo kit made with tin cans as most of the build, likely able to burn twigs, charcoal and maybe coal. Maybe even discarded cooking oil. Or using whatever a modern day hobo can easily get. Should be fun!
It’s fun just trying all the different options 🙂
It would be interesting if you could get those windshield clips separately,as I have windshield stove but no clips
It depends what you are doing and what to achieve.
Just basic alone either a trangia typ system will do most things. For more complicated you may need gas or even solid wood or gas stove dont rely on one system, you may need a combination of stoves and fires.
Where do you get the little clips for the pot stand/shield? Not seen those sold anywhere.
Good video, very nice stoves. Thanks and take care😊
Gas if I’m long distance hiking, meths if I’m doing day hikes or bushcraft. For me it’s all about time, gas if I want a quick brew and then get back on the trail, meths (Trangia stove) for more relaxed and chilled camps and hikes 👍🏻
Totally agree with this! Anytime it’s a relaxed one nighter it’s alcohol. Planning the west highland way this spring and it’ll be gas
Thanks just bought one to replace my army surplus trangalike
Enjoy! 🙂
Newbie to your channel, I enjoyed that. Why do we try to find new stoves when we all started with the trangia that still boils faster than most and has already been tested to the extreme 🤔. And versatile enough to be used within any cook system. Saying all this, I'll probably buy one of those burners as I and the rest of the planet like new items to have in our collection 😅
Never actually used a trangia. The kit always looked big and bulky to me.
Trangia is a tried and tested awesome stove but can be dangerous to use in a tent if knocked over were as these burners will not spill if knocked over👍
Actually enjoyed the boring video, even the format felt like just sitting across the table from you for a chat. I like the idea of the alcohol burner in theory (have never tried one in the wild) but I would find it hard to pass on MSR windburner type stove for speed. I suppose thats the trade off, size, weight and speed Vs small light and slow. Still going to buy one of these....cause i like gear and I like supporting the local guy more than the big companies.
Thanks Rory! Yeah it depends on what you are doing. If I was planning a summit camp in winter I would be more likely to bring the gas because heating water fast could turn out to be important. Especially for my hot water bottle 😂 but for fast and light or relaxed camps, I’ll likely bring alcohol stov
Those burners are very easy to make with a vaseline tin, fibreglass loft insulation and a cheap metal fine sieve!
I’ll have to have a go making my own sometime
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No cheap fibreglass was used in the making of these stoves😁
Nooo Stephen, no! I don’t need another stove or cookset, dammit man!
I can’t! I won’t watch!! I’m not looking!! I have 5 already!! 😭 it’s an illness.
Ok, how much is it? I’m off to look.
P.s. I enjoyed the video 👍🏼🍻
Cheers,
Gary B.
😂 5! I thought I was bad with 3
DIY Kojin stove. Nothing else needed. Spill free, carries fuel and ofc its basically free
This ain’t a boring video!
My wife would think it was boring! 😂
Charcoal with a bunch of rocks around it and a metal grid on top ! Not forgetting to dig a small hole in the sand on the beach we are on 😅
See what you’ve there is actually invented the barbecue 😂 that must be great, sailing around and roasting fish or seaweed (if your vegan) on a fire on the beach
@@StephenJReid it is. The fish taste way better than you get in the shops. But what really makes it special is sometimes there are a bunch of other people on boats and it ends up being a pot luck , good conversations and good times
I’m toying with the idea of trying to fish off my paddleboard next year. I’ve never fished but always been intrigued by it.
@@StephenJReid so people here use a paddle kayak that has rod holders and a cooler and a small fish Finder. I can imagine that being a very funny and comedy worthy Video with a paddle board though
Because I’ll probably fall in? 😂
My advice is , firstly , use a gas stove with a butane/propane gas mix as your main choice of stove.
Secondly, If going on a expedition into the wilds of Scotland take a Primus/MSR Whisperlite stove.
Have a emergency backup stove with solid fuel/meths with you, as when visiting remote bothies you often come across half used bottles of meths left behind by generous (some would say lazy) previous visitors. I have a ultra-light stove made from a medium shoe polish tin and a legnth of stove rope which weighs next to nothing and enables me to utilise "donated" fuel and save my usual fuel supply. Happt Trails Folk.
Good advice
What a great video championing some UK garage gear kit, also thanks for the speedster site link. It would be good to cover more small enterprise made gear. Video laced with good humour as well, what more can one ask for?
I love it when ordinary people come up with good product ideas.
@@StephenJReid yeaaah, bout that... would not hold a patent on it given all previous work 🤷
I like the swiss army volcano stove, it is not exactly compact but it is quick, however horses for courses, I recently bought a really cheap and nasty 8 wick paraffin stove from fleabay and you know what I love it, but it is not for backpacking so much as glamping.
Interesting looking stove!
Have changed my mug to one of those fold flat jobs as drinking out of the titanium mug was strange ( I think it has a weird metallic taste ) Would go alcohol for just water boils and go Gas for the burgers or steak :-) . Really impressed with the price of the Bailey burners was thinking they were gonna be over £20 tbh . ( might look at one of those for inside the tent ) Might have to rejoin the channel again for the chance to win your unwanted tat 😂😂😝
Yeah I’m surprised how cheap a lot of the spill proof burners are, can’t be making much money on them. Although don’t say that too loud or the prices will go up!
Interestingly my old mug tastes a bit funny to drink from but the new one doesn’t. I’ve got one of those folding mugs too. Would fit in the 700ml mug actually instead of the smaller one if I wanted.
@@StephenJReid that old mug looks like it’s seen some action 😂😂
It definitely has! Been used on the wood stove too many times maybe!
I like these kinds of videos
Smaller pots take longer than bigger ones to boil the same amount of water, so testing would need to be done to see which weighs more, a bigger pot with less fuel or smaller pot with more.
Probably works out fairly similar I would think. For me bulk matters as well as weight so I’d take the small pot
I just use my bushbox XL, although the XXL looks good. Having said that some people in your position prefer alcohol burners, just to save weight. If you're in to all things stovey, head on over to Kent survival gear and review channel for tips. Personally just enjoy what you do, your resident stroke survivor.
I have a small box stove I like to use in winter for forest camps. Great to sit around
Are use petrol in the winter myths in the summer
Is that the Mark Bailey who has the outdoors youtube channel ? Wondered what he was up to lately , genuine guy 👌
Hmmm not sure actually!
Don’t blow it out. Just put your pot on top of it or rest the lid on top. Don’t risk blowing flaming alcohol everywhere.
These are designed to be blown out. The material stops fuel from spraying
Be careful brother. Alcohol fumes are really dangerous inside a tent. I'd recommend a quality butane stove if you have to close the door. The Blade II from Fire Maple is one of the least CO producing ones.
How?
The only emissions produced from burning bioethanol fuel are heat, water vapour, and carbon dioxide.
Butane is more dangerous as it can release carbon monoxide.
Ultra Lightweight Wind Shield Pot Stand Trangia Alcohol Burner (good idea) 🙂
Love the video, the giveaway would be great for collecting a genuine piece of Stephen J Reid history 🙏
Great setup, love the wind shield. I haven’t ventured into alcohol stoves much, the slow boil times puts me off. But tempted to give it another go. Where do you get the bioethanol?
got it on Amazon was £12 for 2 litres delivered. Works out at about 15p per boil, assuming it takes about 25mls to boil 500ml.
If you buy in in bulk you can more than halve the cost.
@@StephenJReid cheers, i'm surprised that amazon would even deliver that to NI. i'm guessing that's what you were squirting over your path and lighting in your short video lol
I've never used an alcohol stove, only gas - you can at least hear when its going and certainly when its lit. Could you put it out by putting your pot on top of it, rather that blowing it out? I've seen people putting the lid that comes with Trangia stove on top of the base to kill the flame - although a bit gingerly (if that's the correct term) to avoid burning their fingers.
Yeah you could but those spill proof stoves are designed to just blow out as you wont blow fuel everywhere
cheers@@StephenJReid
Put a small magnet on top of the lid and use a knife as a handle keep you away from the flame
Did you make the burner supports for the windshield? I have the same one but can't find supports anywhere. TIA
Awesome stuff - sold!
Now I wish those were affiliate links! 😂
Where can I buy the kit, or more specifically I just want a burner, windshield, and pot supports. I can only find the burners on his ebay page.
I think he might have sold out of a lot of his current stock. Wasn’t expecting the video to be this popular.
All will be available soon 👍
Send your old cup to paul messner as a Xmas present 😁 I like the set but really like the anti spill butI’d still go up like guy Fawkes think I should stay with gas lol
😂 I’m now tempted to keep it for using with my mini wood stove. And keep my new ones clean for this setup
How durable has the windshield been in re-use? It seemed to me that repeated bending and heating might lead to corrosion?
All good interesting. Good kit
What's the benefits to something like this over say the msr mini pocket rocket and gas canister? That I may or may not have 😂
This makes less noise and for one nighters can be a lot less weight too as instead of carrying a 100gram gas canister that weighs 200gram, you could get away with 50ml of ethanol already in the burner, which would be about 75grams for fuel and the burner.
But really I think there’s just something nice about the alcohol stoves. I like the smell too.
@@StephenJReid who doesn't love fire 😁
@@StephenJReidhaven't thought about it before. Refillable gas containing stove would be nice. Maybe 20g capacity.
That's more-or-less an X-Boil rip-off....... It's a grand little set-up (X-Boil) and is my go to for when I just need to boil water. You can carry the burner with fuel in your trouser pocket, or jacket, to keep it warm, that way it will ignite & burn far easier, especially in sub-zero temperatures.ATB
Good idea!
What is the name of the alcohol you use and where do you get it from.
This is what I used:amzn.to/3Gbyeev
Where did you get those small alcohol bottles?
It’s a 30ml Nalgene bottle with one of these on top: speedsterstoves.co.uk/accessories/28mm-twist-top.html
I have messaged the Ebay page for Bailey Burners to find out where to get this wee kit but am not getting a clear answer. Yes, I can buy the burner tins but not the whole kit as far as I can tell. Has anyone had any luck buying the kit?
the best..... horses for courses innit.
my lightest stove is about 2 gms. my smallest is tiny.
so does bailey also do the cookset? the link lists the burner, but not the cookset, where do I find that? I was hoping to get a full cooking kit
Think he sold out, but is restocking
Should be back on ebay next week
@@markbailey15 I have also sent a message on eBay
Goshawk ERA for alcohol quick boiling.
Great stove 👍
Looks cool, does it take long for it to prime? Seems to have heat blocks that need to warm uo
There is NO such thing as "best stove", there is only "best for the purpose" stove! What is best for the 'gram-counters' is almost useless for car and RV campers (the Silent MAJORITY here in North America).
Depends on how long you are going for and the weather and altitude I guess aha
1 night, 500m UK/Ireland, winter, 2C, 15mph wind.