I hope that Arcanist is kept balanced i understand that it need to be kept fair other classes should get overhauled as well. Because doing more to Arcanist will end it getting gutted won't do much to help compositions
Im ok with it. I got chained to my arc in so many progs. I'll be so happy to break my plar out in hard content again instead of moonlighting with it. On a side note I think they are likely to retain atleast 1 dps spot as sort of a "sweeper" as well as for the passives.
I think a lot of players will swap to plar over DK if arc gets proper nerfed. The gear lines up better, the rotation is less busy, and it’s a more “passively tanky” class; like you can passively fake heal most vet 4 man trifectas with extended ritual alone (MA plar has been the meta in vBRP score pushing for a long time), several good morphs of dmg skills add HoT, etc… and still parse top dps on some trial bosses. The most appealing aspect of playing an arcanist to me is the lack of downtime / plannification required to play it optimally across different modes of content (solo, 4 man, 12 man, parse). As a console player, I wish more classes could have this “set and forget” ethos. The need for addon enabled swaps to achieve similar scores with other classes just feels like a design failure.
The novelty of Arcanist is wearing down. I have heard from several people that they are getting bored by it and want to go back to other classes, if performance allows it. It would be nice to see more than three classes in those lists, but maybe the copying of world record comps is too strong.
I really appreciate your videos. They have been super helpful in returning to ESO, as well as navigating these changes in update 43. I don't push for top DPS, but ever since I learnbed some of the basics of builds, I always strive for consistently high damage. You had some comments that suggested Arcanist was good for just this, was cool. Question for clarification. Looking at these parses and builds, it looks like the main builds that will perform well in this update are similar from previous updates... is that right? I noticed that parse with Blight Seeds. I went hunting for that set after your recommendation, because I liked the stats, and I funnily enough got a full 5 piece in one single run (my first run at that). Not all the traits and recommended slots, but that's okay. Thank you for this content. Love it!
Yeah the setups shown are still going to be the most relevant! That set you’re discussing is called azureblight: it’s really good for aoe fights but not so great for single target ones!
With this update 43 maybe now worth to play as a magicka arcanist for pvp ? I mean basically to switch flair into the magicka version of it.. i know they consume crux but now the deal more damage.. The only question is how we build crux up now ?😅
Arcanist will be meta for everything except score pushing, as it is now, so there is no change that’s going to be happening because of this minor nerf. The survivability is so unmatched compared to other classes, which I believe to be the actual issue with the class. The analysis of rockgrove logs neglects to mention a few important things in my opinion. On Oax, that record had a triple mini skip so obviously arcs couldn’t use their cleave because they are focusing on single target. On any prog group arc will very clearly come out on top and dk could actually be detrimental because of the higher ST focus pushing out more minis. On bahsei, some of the arcs had to kill the meteor (dk can’t do this), so obviously the logs are a bit unbalanced there. As well most of the adds get skipped which further favours the single target. For both of these cases it’s a bit unfair to say that these are aoe fights since in the WR only ST mattered.
Yea, Oax fight with triple mini skip, is very unfair for arcs, there is lot of things going on that interrupts them, so they cannot rly beam that much : 2x chains, 2x meteors, 2x cones etc etc. Especialy with 1 healer, where u rly have to block / dodge some things
You bring up decent points, but the DKs won the ST fights as well so it's a bit irrelevant. I think Arcs will remain for prog groups though, the point of the video was to simply show that the Arc is not the meta damage dealing class that the majority of the community seems to assume it is.
Players: OMG, DK is too strong. Other classes needa be strong too! Zos: Oh, here's a new class. It's slightly better than DK. Players: OMG, Arcanist is too strong. Other classes needa be strong too! Zos: Oh, sure. Here's some Arcanist nerfs. Players: OMG, DK is-
You can't just look at the top parse and ignore the rest. If DK has the highest parse in a boss and the next 9 in top-10 are Arcanists, calling it a DK fight is just wrong. The DK score was probably a very special instance with some weird specific conditions taking place. There literally isn't another DK anywhere to be found on that list you showed which shows like top-20 or top-25. In a lot of these fights you declare non-Arcanist fights, you still see like half the top-30 being arcanists. This is biased towards Arcanist because Arcanist sees the most play, but the reality is that Arcanist still performs extremely well in these fights. I think this is a good video with lots of valid points but the way you judged at the top parses is just an oversight. I am quite happy about the Arcanist nerfs. It got old seeing 6 arcanist DDs in almost every trial group. Also pretty much all dungeon trifectas lost their worth because getting them with 2-3 Arcanist DDs made them far easier than they used to be and/or should be. Most players crying about the arcanist nerf are the same players who were previously crying about Oakensorc nerfs. They've been punching above their height with a noobtube class and now they are afraid of having to play something with more than 3 buttons to press. A lot of people will still run Arcanists because it will still offer by far the best reward/effort ratio to them. Easiest to play, forgiving, still does best in some fights and does very good even in the worst conditions. Does awesomely in transitions and cleave. You just can't go wrong with that.
The problem with your statement is that there aren’t enough parse DKs out there rn for that point to be valid. DKs live as zenkosh, so there’s a very limited amount of data in trials outside of vrg, where more people played parse DKs because the WR holders did it. Those logs have the most available data. There isn’t really anything special about RG that favor dks. There are 2 big AOE fights and one bursty single target fight, all of which most people believe the arc should win, and it just doesn’t. But the main point of the video, is that right now, it’s very competitive, and that the arc nerf makes it vastly more competitive, even favoring DKs/Plars in U43 I do agree though and did say at the end of the video, I’m sure plenty of groups will still run arcs, they just won’t be the strongest option anymore
Ok dude you call them noob tube's but overlook the fact older players like my self have arthritis in our hands. Hs and arc are great for us. They let us participate in end game content. Stop being elitist and think before you make such an asinine statement.
@@UltrEgoVegeta I'm one of the people who thinks that gameplay shouldn't be catering to the lowest common denominator. When designing hard mode content, I don't think the image of your target player should be a veteran who lost 7 fingers while unsuccessfully defusing a bomb in the Gulf War. It's not that I don't feel empathy for people who have limitations, I do. But if you lower the bar to be more "inclusive", you water it down for everyone else. Have you ever maybe thought that if you have a severe arthritis that makes playing much more difficult to you, maybe the endgame content isn't meant for you? Just a thought. What do you think is more selfish, wanting endgame content that 97% of the players can physically do to be difficult, or wanting the endgame content to be watered down so the 3% with serious disablities can participate too? You can call it "inclusivity" that a class with a 3 button rotation can do the same or better as one with 10 buttons with a lot of complex decision trees in their rotation, but it inevitably lowers the bar and dumbs down the game. My experience is that a vast majority of the Arcanist players aren't disabled in any limiting way. They are playing it because it takes the least skill and gets them the best results with the least amount of work put in.
@@tony16546dude that is such a fucking rude comment and not empathetic at all given they just told you there hands fucking hurt all the time. Even if you get surgery it doesn’t always function the same. And guess what? If you continue playing this game, you are also going to get arthritis when you’re old. “Watering” content down by 3% isn’t going kill you. You basically just told them to go play another game or stick to normal dungeons and go buy another cat. Stay in your lane. This community really does suck
I was actually running in this same group (sorc) with dk in vSE, he had both 2 best parses as dk and as arc respectively being number 1 and 2. Setups are usual, nothing out of sort except maybe 1 cryptcanon from arc tank which not many groups use. Same necro second tank, same pillager from healer and dds setups are typical. DK is just about perfecting rotation and smart aoes while on arc you need fewer braincells and moves to still maintain good dps.
Hi, I’m new here I’m just a little lost hahaha I looking for a pure damage DPS, for solo PVE and dungeons, so what do you think ? What is the best class for it ? And just curiosity, who has the best survival ? Thanks !
People play arcanist because it allows you to focus on trial mechanics instead of tracking dynamic rotation on a DK. But if you like challenges you can do it.
Yeah so the way “meta” testing works, is that we as a community pool in a giant collection of data that has been tested by hundreds of players to see what was good and wasn’t, and then we just test things patch to patch as things change. So for example, Julianos hasn’t changed in half a decade, so we can pretty accurately guess its value, compared to a set like coral riptide, which hasn’t changed since its release in dsr. Then for another example, after lots of testing, we know a set like Riptide has a slightly higher damage ceiling than depths and so on. That’s not to say EVERY setup has been tested but 99% of relevant things have been tested, outside of new updates In a another video I cover how good the Runeblades setup with the new set null arca is, something that will somewhat make up for the Arc nerfs, but the facts still stand, other classes now have way higher damage ceilings, especially with the new DK and cro sets from IA Hope that helps!
Nah, its 2024, damage is the absolute most worthless stat to worry about in PVE content excluding the something like 36 players in the entire world that care on any level about score pushing. Survivability is the absolute most important stat to chase in PVE content since other than those literal 36 people everyone else is just trying to clear the vet, HM, or trifecta. Therefore the Arcanist is still completely and totally meta, especially considering virtually no players have figured out how to get the most survivability out of arcs, and that is not taking into consideration the fact that arcs require zero skill whatsoever to play to get those clears. In reality, trying to configure a group for maximum damage is completely off meta, and a giant waste of time. Lastly, next patch arcs are getting a survivability buff, which only serves to make them even more egregiously meta.
I kind of disagree, living is important sure, but it's a mostly irrelevant concept if you just learn the mechs. Deaths are a result of not understanding a fight, not a lack of stats
@@eigh1puppies I agree that as player competence increases the need for survivability decreases, however knowing the mechs of a fight and mastering those mechs are very different things. So for the vast majority of players and groups most of which are very new to group content, having a lot more survivability and easier access to damage and cleave is going to get them their clear faster and easier. Will scorepushers only run arcs now? I doubt they will in content with a lot of single target encounters but score push is such an incredibly fringe play style in eso that I dont really think it translates to what is meta.
@@FriedBananas642why should "getting a clear" be the focus of game design. None of the rewards are anything important and btw, damage= survivability. Can't die if things are dead. The whole point of difficult content is to have a goal to work towards. And people would get more hm clears by practicing demanding strats even if they fail, because every rep then contributes to growing your skill. Playing to not lose doesn't tend to lead to success and there's no penalties in ESO for wiping. If the gameplay isn't fun for people they should find another game, because the rewards in game are meaningless, it's all about the optional difficulty to enjoy a challenge.
@@JPHRZ Getting a clear or perfecting mechanics isn't the game design of eso. The game design of eso whether your talking about pve, pvp, open world, housing, etc is to play the inventory system and the crown store which is why those are the two elements of the game players pay money for (I mean lets be honest the hardest content in eso in 2024 is by a very far margin is the scribbling recipes not stacking in my inventory). It's also why they are the only two systems in eso that consistently work well. Additionally, I know the trifecta rewards since sunspire have all landed somewhere between lame and cringe, and generally have a superior option in the crown store, I mean I have them all in my collection to remind me of the time I used to do the pve andy thing. But the conversation we were having has to do with what is best in slot relative to the players chosen aim. My argument is that yes, in the ultra hyper fringe instance of the 36 people who scorepush of the roughly 200,00 active players sure the old school style of a solid offense being their best defense still makes sense because every second they can shave off counts in the pursuit of their aim, howeever, that is only dk's if you are talking about single target fights with very little trash packs, if not arcs are still the best option. But for everyone other than those some 36 people on the planet, there is no need to push their damage from completely ludicrous damage to completely ludicrous damage plus 1 percent, since that plus 1 percent cost them miles of survivability which shaves a huge amount of raid days off their progs. Granted, this is assuming the player is concerned with working toward their aim efficiently, I mean there have been groups that got trifectas with heavy attack builds or back in the day guilds would get trifectas wearing nothing but xynode builds for the memes.
I don't find dk parsing in Sanity's Edge.The only class which could surpress Arcanist is Templar because it keeps the execute faster for every boss fight. I suggest to have 3 Templars and 3 Arcanists For RG instead of Templars DK enters
I'd be careful about making this argument. Sorc for example is the easiest class to hit high damage numbers with rn, since it can max at 150K with a super simple rotation.
@eigh1puppies do you have a video guide for the build? I'm a returning Sorc player and was wondering which way i should go for efficiency+simplicity haha
Flail is super over tuned. It combined AOE and execute of whirling blades with heal of temp jabs, and also increases all your damage. One class shouldn't have a spammable that powerful. It's so powerful that rune blades are considered worthless as spammable even though they are quite over tuned compared to other single target class skills.
Poeple are massively underestimating how much this nerf will hurt arcanist. 50% of the bosses hp your losing 20k + each flail this won’t just nerf arcanist to the lowest single target dps class. This will also put them in 3rd place for aoe. This nerf is farrrr too much.
I just came back to the game before Gold Road released after being away for 7-8 years. I start Arcanist because it was new, looked fun and was simple and effective. I am seriously dissapointed with them immediately nerfing my 1 leveled, fun class as soon as I got back, makes me reconsider my choice. If Arcanist is nerfed too much it will likely mean me moving on again. I really hope it's balanced and not useless. I don't see them nerfing Nightblades and Sorcs and they are ridiculously strong.
Try not to get too focused on dummy numbers. The sorc for example hits 150k sure, but it’s been the strongest dummy class for a long time and still isn’t used. This nerf is more of a balance than anything. Arc will still be used a ton
@@UaintDoxinme what do you mean DKs and Cros are dominating the ST meta rn with the new IA sets 😂 It aged perfectly well, everything that I said was 100% accurate 😂
@@eigh1puppies who cares about single target when the current tier is mostly cleave? Azurelight arcanist stacking is the meta for clearing vet hm lc. Talking about real content not target dummy
Noone except 500 people may be on the planet cares about highest on server DPS somewhere by some class. These are not numbers of real players. These are numbers of parse machines, which are the extreme minority. Again, may be 500 of them on the planet. And usual people will still prefer arcanist because of the ease and forgivingness of the class.
i don't think its fair to say arc was better than anything else before update 42 and its never been the best raw single target dmg its more so the other classes don't bring as much to the group comp to make it worth stacking them
imo im all for this nerf. too many noobs that can hit insane numbers without having to actually practice and git gud at an actual rotation that requires skill to master... arc is brain dead easy mode.
@ThatESOGuy Try 7 years, 2 accounts 27 toons, all classes and all roles. "Noobs" is one of those words that let me know I'm talking to wannabe clown. New players are the life-blood of online games. Helping them develop is fun. Trash can craglorn carries call them noobs to feel like you're good. You're not.
@@UltrEgoVegeta The fact is that in order for a dk to stay higher in dps than an arcanist, you literally have to do everything perfectly on it, which is much harder than on an arc with afk beam. Also in vSE the most popularity parse class is arc, therefore, apart from me, there are no more logs of good dk. So yeah, dk is better then arc. Btw my best dk 186k ansuul parse was ruined because of wipe on execute. And 176k arc parse ruined because of logs was broken kekw
@@eigh1puppies its 100% TRUE as an average cp 400 player who mains stamDK and switched to Stam arcanist i can clear content like 50% easier with the arcanist. DK takes alot of b rainpower to use, meanwhile arcanist beam go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Instructions unclear, 12 Dens wiith bears in Aerie's Cry comp incoming.
I hope that Arcanist is kept balanced i understand that it need to be kept fair other classes should get overhauled as well. Because doing more to Arcanist will end it getting gutted won't do much to help compositions
It Will meet necro's and warden's fate. Class will be useless for at least a year untill devs start buffing it again. This is their buissness model
This game just haven’t any balance 😂
Flail is a crux builder, root, debuffer, AND heal with execute scaling. Knew this nerf was coming eventually but didn't realise how soon.
@@benzona802 Not to mention an AoE spammable with 100% cleave efficiency, not alot of other non DoT skills have that
Im ok with it. I got chained to my arc in so many progs. I'll be so happy to break my plar out in hard content again instead of moonlighting with it.
On a side note I think they are likely to retain atleast 1 dps spot as sort of a "sweeper" as well as for the passives.
One day all DDs will be sorcs
@@ambitionplays2786 the day the sorc pulls 200k on the 21 mil XD
This can happen when pets are affected by the status effect increase
My hopes are still on a NB meta 😉
We saw that with the oakensorc before it got nerf to the ground.
I'd rather non-pet sorc be viable again 😭
I think a lot of players will swap to plar over DK if arc gets proper nerfed. The gear lines up better, the rotation is less busy, and it’s a more “passively tanky” class; like you can passively fake heal most vet 4 man trifectas with extended ritual alone (MA plar has been the meta in vBRP score pushing for a long time), several good morphs of dmg skills add HoT, etc… and still parse top dps on some trial bosses.
The most appealing aspect of playing an arcanist to me is the lack of downtime / plannification required to play it optimally across different modes of content (solo, 4 man, 12 man, parse). As a console player, I wish more classes could have this “set and forget” ethos. The need for addon enabled swaps to achieve similar scores with other classes just feels like a design failure.
Bring back good necro dps
They wont, Necro are like white people in western nations.
Necro's pay to win period is over
@@eget4144 Now it's pay to loose...
Arc on top baby
The novelty of Arcanist is wearing down. I have heard from several people that they are getting bored by it and want to go back to other classes, if performance allows it. It would be nice to see more than three classes in those lists, but maybe the copying of world record comps is too strong.
Thanks man! This is exactly the information I was looking for.
I really appreciate your videos. They have been super helpful in returning to ESO, as well as navigating these changes in update 43. I don't push for top DPS, but ever since I learnbed some of the basics of builds, I always strive for consistently high damage. You had some comments that suggested Arcanist was good for just this, was cool. Question for clarification. Looking at these parses and builds, it looks like the main builds that will perform well in this update are similar from previous updates... is that right?
I noticed that parse with Blight Seeds. I went hunting for that set after your recommendation, because I liked the stats, and I funnily enough got a full 5 piece in one single run (my first run at that). Not all the traits and recommended slots, but that's okay. Thank you for this content. Love it!
Yeah the setups shown are still going to be the most relevant! That set you’re discussing is called azureblight: it’s really good for aoe fights but not so great for single target ones!
With this update 43 maybe now worth to play as a magicka arcanist for pvp ?
I mean basically to switch flair into the magicka version of it.. i know they consume crux but now the deal more damage.. The only question is how we build crux up now ?😅
Not much of a pvper so not sure :/
Arcanist will be meta for everything except score pushing, as it is now, so there is no change that’s going to be happening because of this minor nerf. The survivability is so unmatched compared to other classes, which I believe to be the actual issue with the class.
The analysis of rockgrove logs neglects to mention a few important things in my opinion. On Oax, that record had a triple mini skip so obviously arcs couldn’t use their cleave because they are focusing on single target. On any prog group arc will very clearly come out on top and dk could actually be detrimental because of the higher ST focus pushing out more minis. On bahsei, some of the arcs had to kill the meteor (dk can’t do this), so obviously the logs are a bit unbalanced there. As well most of the adds get skipped which further favours the single target. For both of these cases it’s a bit unfair to say that these are aoe fights since in the WR only ST mattered.
Yea, Oax fight with triple mini skip, is very unfair for arcs, there is lot of things going on that interrupts them, so they cannot rly beam that much : 2x chains, 2x meteors, 2x cones etc etc.
Especialy with 1 healer, where u rly have to block / dodge some things
You bring up decent points, but the DKs won the ST fights as well so it's a bit irrelevant. I think Arcs will remain for prog groups though, the point of the video was to simply show that the Arc is not the meta damage dealing class that the majority of the community seems to assume it is.
Again, the DK also won the ST fight, the minis are not calculated into ST
Players: OMG, DK is too strong. Other classes needa be strong too!
Zos: Oh, here's a new class. It's slightly better than DK.
Players: OMG, Arcanist is too strong. Other classes needa be strong too!
Zos: Oh, sure. Here's some Arcanist nerfs.
Players: OMG, DK is-
@@merpins LMAO
You can't just look at the top parse and ignore the rest. If DK has the highest parse in a boss and the next 9 in top-10 are Arcanists, calling it a DK fight is just wrong. The DK score was probably a very special instance with some weird specific conditions taking place. There literally isn't another DK anywhere to be found on that list you showed which shows like top-20 or top-25. In a lot of these fights you declare non-Arcanist fights, you still see like half the top-30 being arcanists. This is biased towards Arcanist because Arcanist sees the most play, but the reality is that Arcanist still performs extremely well in these fights.
I think this is a good video with lots of valid points but the way you judged at the top parses is just an oversight.
I am quite happy about the Arcanist nerfs. It got old seeing 6 arcanist DDs in almost every trial group. Also pretty much all dungeon trifectas lost their worth because getting them with 2-3 Arcanist DDs made them far easier than they used to be and/or should be.
Most players crying about the arcanist nerf are the same players who were previously crying about Oakensorc nerfs. They've been punching above their height with a noobtube class and now they are afraid of having to play something with more than 3 buttons to press.
A lot of people will still run Arcanists because it will still offer by far the best reward/effort ratio to them. Easiest to play, forgiving, still does best in some fights and does very good even in the worst conditions. Does awesomely in transitions and cleave. You just can't go wrong with that.
The problem with your statement is that there aren’t enough parse DKs out there rn for that point to be valid. DKs live as zenkosh, so there’s a very limited amount of data in trials outside of vrg, where more people played parse DKs because the WR holders did it. Those logs have the most available data. There isn’t really anything special about RG that favor dks. There are 2 big AOE fights and one bursty single target fight, all of which most people believe the arc should win, and it just doesn’t.
But the main point of the video, is that right now, it’s very competitive, and that the arc nerf makes it vastly more competitive, even favoring DKs/Plars in U43
I do agree though and did say at the end of the video, I’m sure plenty of groups will still run arcs, they just won’t be the strongest option anymore
Ok dude you call them noob tube's but overlook the fact older players like my self have arthritis in our hands. Hs and arc are great for us. They let us participate in end game content. Stop being elitist and think before you make such an asinine statement.
@@UltrEgoVegeta I'm one of the people who thinks that gameplay shouldn't be catering to the lowest common denominator. When designing hard mode content, I don't think the image of your target player should be a veteran who lost 7 fingers while unsuccessfully defusing a bomb in the Gulf War.
It's not that I don't feel empathy for people who have limitations, I do. But if you lower the bar to be more "inclusive", you water it down for everyone else. Have you ever maybe thought that if you have a severe arthritis that makes playing much more difficult to you, maybe the endgame content isn't meant for you? Just a thought. What do you think is more selfish, wanting endgame content that 97% of the players can physically do to be difficult, or wanting the endgame content to be watered down so the 3% with serious disablities can participate too?
You can call it "inclusivity" that a class with a 3 button rotation can do the same or better as one with 10 buttons with a lot of complex decision trees in their rotation, but it inevitably lowers the bar and dumbs down the game. My experience is that a vast majority of the Arcanist players aren't disabled in any limiting way. They are playing it because it takes the least skill and gets them the best results with the least amount of work put in.
@@tony16546dude that is such a fucking rude comment and not empathetic at all given they just told you there hands fucking hurt all the time. Even if you get surgery it doesn’t always function the same. And guess what? If you continue playing this game, you are also going to get arthritis when you’re old. “Watering” content down by 3% isn’t going kill you. You basically just told them to go play another game or stick to normal dungeons and go buy another cat. Stay in your lane. This community really does suck
I was actually running in this same group (sorc) with dk in vSE, he had both 2 best parses as dk and as arc respectively being number 1 and 2. Setups are usual, nothing out of sort except maybe 1 cryptcanon from arc tank which not many groups use. Same necro second tank, same pillager from healer and dds setups are typical. DK is just about perfecting rotation and smart aoes while on arc you need fewer braincells and moves to still maintain good dps.
Hi, I’m new here I’m just a little lost hahaha I looking for a pure damage DPS, for solo PVE and dungeons, so what do you think ? What is the best class for it ? And just curiosity, who has the best survival ?
Thanks !
Arcanist checks all the boxes imo. Next patch Arcanist will still be very viable, DK will technically be a bit stronger though I believe
@@eigh1puppies alright, So you advise me to make an arcanist If I looking for a good DPS ?
Yeah its a solid choice!
im not putting down the beam man
Nice video homie. Well done.
That's funny because im seeing the number 1 rankings in your video all showing necromancer
@@nobodynothing1469 if only
People play arcanist because it allows you to focus on trial mechanics instead of tracking dynamic rotation on a DK.
But if you like challenges you can do it.
But did you try the millions of different gear/race/class combinations that xynode brings up everytime someone brings up a "meta" test invalid
Yeah so the way “meta” testing works, is that we as a community pool in a giant collection of data that has been tested by hundreds of players to see what was good and wasn’t, and then we just test things patch to patch as things change.
So for example, Julianos hasn’t changed in half a decade, so we can pretty accurately guess its value, compared to a set like coral riptide, which hasn’t changed since its release in dsr. Then for another example, after lots of testing, we know a set like Riptide has a slightly higher damage ceiling than depths and so on. That’s not to say EVERY setup has been tested but 99% of relevant things have been tested, outside of new updates
In a another video I cover how good the Runeblades setup with the new set null arca is, something that will somewhat make up for the Arc nerfs, but the facts still stand, other classes now have way higher damage ceilings, especially with the new DK and cro sets from IA
Hope that helps!
@eigh1puppies
Lol I was just messing man. I was just poking fun at his "meta doesn't exist takes"
@@OaK-_R hard to catch sarcasm over messages so we take the safe response XD
great video thank you
Nah, its 2024, damage is the absolute most worthless stat to worry about in PVE content excluding the something like 36 players in the entire world that care on any level about score pushing. Survivability is the absolute most important stat to chase in PVE content since other than those literal 36 people everyone else is just trying to clear the vet, HM, or trifecta. Therefore the Arcanist is still completely and totally meta, especially considering virtually no players have figured out how to get the most survivability out of arcs, and that is not taking into consideration the fact that arcs require zero skill whatsoever to play to get those clears. In reality, trying to configure a group for maximum damage is completely off meta, and a giant waste of time. Lastly, next patch arcs are getting a survivability buff, which only serves to make them even more egregiously meta.
I kind of disagree, living is important sure, but it's a mostly irrelevant concept if you just learn the mechs. Deaths are a result of not understanding a fight, not a lack of stats
@@eigh1puppies I agree that as player competence increases the need for survivability decreases, however knowing the mechs of a fight and mastering those mechs are very different things. So for the vast majority of players and groups most of which are very new to group content, having a lot more survivability and easier access to damage and cleave is going to get them their clear faster and easier. Will scorepushers only run arcs now? I doubt they will in content with a lot of single target encounters but score push is such an incredibly fringe play style in eso that I dont really think it translates to what is meta.
@@FriedBananas642why should "getting a clear" be the focus of game design. None of the rewards are anything important and btw, damage= survivability. Can't die if things are dead. The whole point of difficult content is to have a goal to work towards. And people would get more hm clears by practicing demanding strats even if they fail, because every rep then contributes to growing your skill. Playing to not lose doesn't tend to lead to success and there's no penalties in ESO for wiping. If the gameplay isn't fun for people they should find another game, because the rewards in game are meaningless, it's all about the optional difficulty to enjoy a challenge.
@@JPHRZ Getting a clear or perfecting mechanics isn't the game design of eso. The game design of eso whether your talking about pve, pvp, open world, housing, etc is to play the inventory system and the crown store which is why those are the two elements of the game players pay money for (I mean lets be honest the hardest content in eso in 2024 is by a very far margin is the scribbling recipes not stacking in my inventory). It's also why they are the only two systems in eso that consistently work well. Additionally, I know the trifecta rewards since sunspire have all landed somewhere between lame and cringe, and generally have a superior option in the crown store, I mean I have them all in my collection to remind me of the time I used to do the pve andy thing. But the conversation we were having has to do with what is best in slot relative to the players chosen aim. My argument is that yes, in the ultra hyper fringe instance of the 36 people who scorepush of the roughly 200,00 active players sure the old school style of a solid offense being their best defense still makes sense because every second they can shave off counts in the pursuit of their aim, howeever, that is only dk's if you are talking about single target fights with very little trash packs, if not arcs are still the best option. But for everyone other than those some 36 people on the planet, there is no need to push their damage from completely ludicrous damage to completely ludicrous damage plus 1 percent, since that plus 1 percent cost them miles of survivability which shaves a huge amount of raid days off their progs. Granted, this is assuming the player is concerned with working toward their aim efficiently, I mean there have been groups that got trifectas with heavy attack builds or back in the day guilds would get trifectas wearing nothing but xynode builds for the memes.
I don't find dk parsing in Sanity's Edge.The only class which could surpress Arcanist is Templar because it keeps the execute faster for every boss fight.
I suggest to have 3 Templars and 3 Arcanists
For RG instead of Templars DK enters
Not a bad idea!
Right when I finally got comfortable and able to do decent damage in PVP and PvE content, after years of trying. Makes me sad.
The class is more even than it is nerfed
Arc is easy mode simple . 2 100k parses , one plar one arc , the plar is the better player
I'd be careful about making this argument. Sorc for example is the easiest class to hit high damage numbers with rn, since it can max at 150K with a super simple rotation.
@@eigh1puppiespets shouldn't be optional for DPS IMO, less difficulty shouldn't equal higher performance.
@eigh1puppies do you have a video guide for the build? I'm a returning Sorc player and was wondering which way i should go for efficiency+simplicity haha
I am a new player and expected this nerf coming soon. Thats why i have 3 other characters ready.
Dk power ❤
Backs up argument with facts and data instead of "just trust me bro." BASED.
They really need to back track the flail nerf. Or are least increase the dmg increase from inking them.
@@Ho0pxr I don’t think they do need to tbh, it evens out the playing field quite a bit!
Flail is super over tuned. It combined AOE and execute of whirling blades with heal of temp jabs, and also increases all your damage. One class shouldn't have a spammable that powerful. It's so powerful that rune blades are considered worthless as spammable even though they are quite over tuned compared to other single target class skills.
my DK always been better , and it 'll be better than ever ...
Poeple are massively underestimating how much this nerf will hurt arcanist. 50% of the bosses hp your losing 20k + each flail this won’t just nerf arcanist to the lowest single target dps class. This will also put them in 3rd place for aoe. This nerf is farrrr too much.
The execute scaling is being removed. Not a flat damage increase after 50%. So this would in effect be about a 20% nerf to a single ability.
The nerf isn’t that bad, I broke down the math, you should check it out in the analysis part of the video!
Ends up being about 20-30%
RIP Nightblades
@@TheEmptyCranium so sad, why they hate the blade, doesn't do single target or AOE effectively :(
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I just came back to the game before Gold Road released after being away for 7-8 years. I start Arcanist because it was new, looked fun and was simple and effective. I am seriously dissapointed with them immediately nerfing my 1 leveled, fun class as soon as I got back, makes me reconsider my choice. If Arcanist is nerfed too much it will likely mean me moving on again. I really hope it's balanced and not useless. I don't see them nerfing Nightblades and Sorcs and they are ridiculously strong.
Try not to get too focused on dummy numbers. The sorc for example hits 150k sure, but it’s been the strongest dummy class for a long time and still isn’t used.
This nerf is more of a balance than anything. Arc will still be used a ton
Nightblade is considered one of the weakest PvE dps classes currently. PvP is a different matter.
Well this video didnt age well. Stacking Azureblight arcanists is the meta. Oh, you did mention that atleast for LC.
@@UaintDoxinme what do you mean DKs and Cros are dominating the ST meta rn with the new IA sets 😂
It aged perfectly well, everything that I said was 100% accurate 😂
@@eigh1puppies who cares about single target when the current tier is mostly cleave? Azurelight arcanist stacking is the meta for clearing vet hm lc. Talking about real content not target dummy
Our rockgrove record was specced heavily for ST. The type of damage you do depends on the group and the groups goals.
Jesus the amount of toxicity in these comments is insane
Or just keep it the same a buff other classes
Flooding the comment section as we speak very sorry
@@Auwesome 🤝
If thats the dps you get from flail you dos is a fail
Don't quite get this one, getting much more damage from flail means you get way less damage with fatecarver, which means you do less damage overall
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This is way too technical LOL
Noone except 500 people may be on the planet cares about highest on server DPS somewhere by some class. These are not numbers of real players. These are numbers of parse machines, which are the extreme minority. Again, may be 500 of them on the planet.
And usual people will still prefer arcanist because of the ease and forgivingness of the class.
Yeah I mean, I said in the video most classes would still use the Arc. Part of what I seek to do though is keep people informed on the meta
Breaking News!?! Pups killed the arcanist?! With math?!?
@@rainsolo5126 NOT MATH
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i don't think its fair to say arc was better than anything else before update 42 and its never been the best raw single target dmg its more so the other classes don't bring as much to the group comp to make it worth stacking them
I agree with this statement out of technicality, but in practicality, Arc is mostly better in U42
so let me get this straight arcanist is losing its execute completely? its gonna be the only class in game with no execute?!?
There are a few classes with no execute but yes
imo im all for this nerf. too many noobs that can hit insane numbers without having to actually practice and git gud at an actual rotation that requires skill to master... arc is brain dead easy mode.
Having a class that is good and easy to play is important, it just probably shouldn't be meta
Nerf the arcanist it's to op ,not fair NERF IT NOW
meh... no matter what, wardens for the win. pvp, my warden kill. pve, my wardens is still better. every other class..? meh... ;-)
Finally hate that noob class
@@WalterBlight class for noobs with 1 hand
It's a roleplay game. 😂😂 relax.
Most likely a noob tryhard yourself. Good players are concerned with what's effective as the patches roll around.
@@jesseleeshoemakerjr5461 oké noob
@ThatESOGuy Try 7 years, 2 accounts 27 toons, all classes and all roles. "Noobs" is one of those words that let me know I'm talking to wannabe clown. New players are the life-blood of online games. Helping them develop is fun. Trash can craglorn carries call them noobs to feel like you're good. You're not.
This dk is the exception not the rule. Every dk is ass compared to arks.
@@UltrEgoVegeta that’s just not true
That a person in a disadvantaged class equaling the dominant class shows just the opposite lol
@@UltrEgoVegeta The fact is that in order for a dk to stay higher in dps than an arcanist, you literally have to do everything perfectly on it, which is much harder than on an arc with afk beam. Also in vSE the most popularity parse class is arc, therefore, apart from me, there are no more logs of good dk. So yeah, dk is better then arc.
Btw my best dk 186k ansuul parse was ruined because of wipe on execute. And 176k arc parse ruined because of logs was broken kekw
@@eigh1puppies its 100% TRUE as an average cp 400 player who mains stamDK and switched to Stam arcanist i can clear content like 50% easier with the arcanist. DK takes alot of b rainpower to use, meanwhile arcanist beam go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
"Compare with other groups in REAL FIGHTS"???????
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Ok, oficialky TESO pve end game is learn to push skill buttons in the right order to get max dps. A groupal Hi Fi Rush!
That's awesome! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄