@@freggittlegamint2830 avoiding doesnt mean dont know how to draw . He just dont like drawing feets . U can see him how beautiful he draws batman's feet in hush
The Rob Liefeld episode was actually how I found you. I was fresh off the heels of Godzilla Mendoza’s Bad Comic Art and TH-cam started recommending me various other Rob Liefeld videos, then I found you and the rest is history. This was a really nice treat!
AliensAreNoobs funny thing is.. That’s exactly What’s happening to me right now. I literally clicked on this video after I watched Bad Comic Art. And I am about to subscribe to this guy.
He improved, but not much from someone whose been drawing for thirty years there should have been more improvements in the 20 years. It goes to say how far a over inflated ego and contacts can take you.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 I take Liefield's over the top insane stylization over generic, anatomically correct stuff. Even if story sucks ass, there is at least Liefeld keeping you company along the ride.
Liefied is so over praised. He acts like he made Deadpool what he is, when it was other writers who added all the things people love about the character. Like the humor and fourth-wall breaking and Gerry Duggan give us the definitive version of the character
That's strange, because it was my understanding that Joe Kelly provided the greatest "run" for the character and wrote the best humor. I guess it's debatable then.
Everyone talking about Liefeld, but Im legit intrigued, baffled and absolutely mesmerized by the BUTTER SODA. Who came up with that idea and made it into a real thing?
6:09 - Poses are solid? The leg in the foreground looks like the other leg. Watch how it's inner thigh looks like his outter one. Besides, the feet hanging from the panel is out of proportion.
Unknown secret: Rob liefeld does not draw feet because he has a foot fetish and would not be able to complete a comic book without splooging all over the pages
All of those sodas seem like something Deadpool would create and trick everyone into drinking. Your taste buds must have hated you after this video. And Congratulations on 100 videos!!! Here's to many more videos and continued success!!
I know I'm not the first person to observe this but...seriously...thank God you didn't play this game with alcohol. Rob Liefeld could have slayed your liver.
@@joeysopinion4463Hey, that's not fair. At least Rob draws his own art. He also bothered to make other things. Even if they're bad. At least he actually tried.
@@joeysopinion4463 no, Bob Kane DID NOT create Batman ,nothing at all, hes a literal thief. Rob, on the other hand, did design Deadpool costume, give him guns and stuff.
I think they did invent the smiley. That's the first time I've ever seen one. Matter of fact I didn't even know you could smile before I seen Rorschach clean these leftist homeless from the streets.
15:05 What, no comment on the incredible anatomy of the princess? Thlack of organs, snake spine, truncated hipbones and either an enormous butt or the most terrifying arch in existence looks like a trope to me.
Great video. I think Liefeld's newer stuff is a little more disciplined and toned down. In my opinion his strengths were always layouts that had bold impact and intensity, not really accuracy or consistent details. On a technical level he has improved in some ways, but in other ways he has kind of taken out a lot of what he used to be great at.
Interesting take. I'm fascinated by how Liefeld has been able to stay popular. In that sense I respect him, and any creator who manages to stay in the game for so long. But I never thought about it terms of layouts or camera angles. Reminds me of Ditko and how well he uses layouts, even during those times when the guys inking over his breakdowns do a poor job.
That's probably part of it, I just think he got too popular too fast. In the 90s there were lots of speculators buying comics as investments, and not even reading the books. Liefeld didn't get famous because people liked his art. Liefeld became famous because he was in a 501 Jeans commercial made by Spike Lee. After that he became one of the high selling artists in the industry, and I think it went to his head. He did think he needed to improve his art because his books were all selling so well.
LOL! A critical analysis of Liefelds work mixed with sodas-with-disgusting-names reviews just cracks me up. In fact, the soda reviews totally took the spotlight here making the Liefeld analysis quite boring in comparison. As the video played, I more and more just waited for the next review. Your facial expressions and body language topped with your description of the tastes - especially when the sodas doesn't taste good - is priceless and made me laugh so hard. You're quite the comedian in a very natural-modest and calm way.
I've just recently gotten heavily into comic collecting after about a 20 year break. The over-saturation of the market in the 90's kinda turned me off to buying new comics. Still read my old ones, but stopped buying new ones. Now that I'm back in full tilt, I'm learning a lot about what's been happening over the years from great channels like yours. I wasn't aware of the controversy over Liefeld that's been going on. Seems like folks either really love the guy or they hate 'em. Not much in-between that I can find. Fascinating to learn this stuff here. Thanks again for a great, fun informative channel.
Jeff I left comics from 1991 to 2015 and have had a similar experience. The Lees and the Liefelds (and the speculators) really turned me off, but if only I had been a fan of, say, the Legion of Super Heroes, I would have stayed in comics.
Recommendations are always welcome. I'm rather enjoying buying omnibus collections of great runs at the moment. Reading Infinite Crisis at the moment and I friggin' love it! Geoff John's Teen Titans looks awfully good so I may pick that up.
The 90s is the dark age of comic books. Everything great has been tossed away in favor for Edgy Kid's fantasy, like: Guns, DUAL WIELDING GUNS, dark colors, power suits, shitty shading, ugly colors, EVERYONE BECOMING BUFF, I MEAN, MAGNETO IN THE 60's HAD A NORMAL SHIRT, AND IN THE 90's HE'S BECOME A BUFFASS BIMBO.
His tropes sound like they came from anime - specifically Dragon Ball Z. Especially with them triangle feet and backgrounds being replaced with speedlines XD
Yeah, sure, considering Dragonball started in 1986 and Toriyama drew consistently for over 10 years non-stop on a WEEKLY basis, besides writing his own story and doing the character designs for games like Chrono Trigger and Dragon Quest without stopping drawing manga, missing a deadline or failing at drawing backgrounds and perspectives. Oh, almost forgot Dr. Slump, which had a pretty lengthy run of 4 years (WEEKLY BASIS). TL;DR: Toriyama made in 20 years more work than 4 Liefelds will never do in a lifetime.
Difference is that Toriyama's art actually looks great, and his characters are iconic and appealingly designed. Very much the opposite of Leifeld's horrifically ugly art.
I've always hated Rob Liefelds work and I don't want to come off pretentious but I've been an artist my entire life and I've always studied art and learned from masters such as Jae Lee, Lienil Yu, Alex Ross and of course, Jim Lee to name a few. I'm nowhere close to being at any level they're at but I know that one of the most important aspects of being a comic book artist is learning, and constantly trying to improve your craft. It goes for every medium in life really, which is why I have such an issue with Rob Liefeld. I believe that because he got hired at 19 to do comics professionally, he, for lack of better terms, got a big head and became extremely narcissistic to the point where he felt like he didn't have to improve anymore. Jim Lee's earlier work had flaws because he was also a young artist but even to this day he's still finding ways to keep at it and try new techniques to improve his craft. Now he's regarded as a legend and has earned his place in the comic landscape. However, Liefeld not only stopped improving but it seemed to halt completely when he got extremely lucky with Deadpool. I will say that yes, his artwork has technically "improved" now compared to then (he at least figured out how ribcages work) but not by much and it's extremely unfortunate. What makes it worse is that I know many artists my age and older would give a limb and an organ to have started a professional career in comics at 19 and even make a fortune with our own characters as he did but it feels like he stopped giving a shit. I guess the summation of my dislike can be described as a waste of potential. If he had not gotten so arrogant and cocky because of his success, he would probably be up there with Jim Lee and so many amazing artists today. I apologize if I offend anyone who supports Liefeld and I want to say really quickly that while I am new to your content, I am thoroughly enjoying watching your videos on these topics. You've got another subscriber and I can't wait to watch more :)
I mean, I feel a bit sorry for Liefeld. He clearly draws straight up from his heart. He doesnt correct stuff or bother with time consuming feet. He just want to express all the emotions of giant chests (male and female) and move on. All jokes aside, I am frustrated and angry about his artwork though. It's just so so bad.
@@kaivenfigueroa Excuses excuses. You could argue this with an artist who has a particular style, whose art is very stylized. You can't claim that about Liefeld, because his art is so inconsistent. Even from panel to fucking panel. His art is not a stylistic choice - he's just not very good at drawing, compared to most professional artists.
Congratulations on the 100 Episodes! I followed you over here from TheRobotsPajamas from episode 1, and can't believe you've been able to keep these up at a weekly pace this whole time. I did see some triangle feet (especially Deadpool in the business suit), and although it's not a trope you specifically mentioned, his characters are often hovering above the ground and aren't anchored to their surroundings. I guess even though he's drawing more feet he doesn't like to draw them flexing when people walk.
Congratulations on 100 episodes, Chris. Always look forward to your vids. As for Liefeld, I'm still not a fan of his work, but I give him a lot of credit for creating a name for himself and staying relevant for 25+ years in an industry that can be very harsh and critical. He marches to his own drummer which I can definitely respect. Here's to the next 100, Chris, and thanks for all you do!
Ironically I think his early DC stuff is his best work. He proved he could actually draw before he developed his horrible style affectations that distorted anatomy and common sense. His "Secret Origins" story of Nightshade was a very solid beginning, and his "Hawk and Dove" was good as well. It's when his "New Mutants" work began blowing up that he went off the deep end. Success simply went to his head.
If you're referring to his work on Hawk and Dove, credit goes to his inker Karl Kesel, who has done great work drawing and inking himself for the Newsboy Legion.
Yeah, he's definitely far better than his infamous 90's work. Nowadays, you can look at Rob Liefeld's recent artwork and unironically say "Wow, that is great". I didn't know about the more recent Deadpool example, but another one would be his Micronauts cover. I had completely no idea it was Liefeld, until I saw his signature. It also helps that he's become much more self-aware and less defensive, even creating a self-parody character made entirely of pouches who uses a pouch gun with pouch bullets (I think it's called "The Pouch"). That's the kind of humor I think Liefeld always needed to have back in his heyday, but he was sorely lacking because "I just sold over a million copies, clearly I know better than you!" Leaning more on colorists I think plays to his strengths too. The problem with that is, he gets all of the limelight when it's the colorist (people who are already notoriously underappreciated as is) pulling his weight and making him look good. Even here, his colorist (Romulo Fajardo Jr.) doesn't get a name-drop, despite having been the one who actually made that art pop.
Zack West his art has gotten slightly better, but it isn't something that I would call good. He is a name, like smashing pumpkins, that sells-that is all.
nah! you should get his old books. they were so bad they were good. don't remember why I collected his books, but I think that the fact that he got mixed in with the likes of Jim Lee and Todd McFarlane at the time, he was in the right place at the right time.
Exactly...H2O...water is a chemical. I usually say something like...I hate sucralose...it tastes like laboratory disinfectant. Even though I've never tasted laboratory disinfectant.
Every time you pulled out a soda and I saw the 'Get y'alls fixins'' motto on it I was just like "Ohhhh no!", every time I've seen someone drink a Lester's Fixin's soda it is a rancid nightmare.
Why does liefeld have so much difficulty drawing feet? Feet aren't very difficult to draw, especially when covered by a shoe, they're a fairly simple form to draw.
Honestly, I have terrible time with feet too and I literally went to private University for portrait painting and comic book character design. Sometimes it's just a weird hiccup artists get. I knew a girl who couldn't draw ears for some particular reason. 🤷
Maybe it's the perspective cues that are inherent in feet? If you get the perspective off in drawing the feet (though simply formed) the whole figure looks perspectively off
I think he just doesn't find them fun or interesting to draw, his pre-breakout work shows he can draw human anatomy fine. For his own reasons he just chooses not to.
Just found this TH-cam channel! Tons of fun! And clever observations and well produced. Jealous I didn’t think of it first!!! Thank you for the content keep it up!!!
It's like Rob Liefeld has never actually personally witnessed a real-life human being in the wild -- his only visual reference for them is comic book art.
Holy shit, dude! I have never seen anyone do something so masochistic. First you subject yourself to the horror of Liefeld's art and when he fucks up you punish yourself even more by drinking bottles of butter and piss flavoured soda...? I've never seen such courage. Have a sub, man. You've earned it.
Congrats on your 100th episode! Really happy to see you do another Liefeld review, the first video of yours I found was the last Liefeld one so it all comes full circle. I also really like Liefeld's work tho it's not perfect it has a lot of energy and I love 90s style art. I can't believe its been two years already!
I know this video is nearly 2 years old, but I find this interesting. Many of those artists from that time period have stopped growing. I blame the deadlines and workload from allowing them to get better. One artist that most of us like that makes one of these big "tropes" is Jim Lee. How often does he avoid drawing feet? My eye is drawn (no pun) to Jim's lack of feet, especially on covers.
Bethan Woods At this point he is a huge name in comics and has a large enough fan base that he can still get work. Plus, given this video he does seem to have improved some elements in his style. I think Liefeld got very lucky. He got into comics at a time when his work, as bad as it was, somehow resonated with audiences, and fit well into the overall direction comics were heading into. A bit earlier or later, and he would never have made it.
I found you by accident, and I'm glad I did! Your series is fun and I find myself agreeing with you especially on Greg Land. I have so many things I follow, I wish I had more time, but I am enjoying your work so far.
At 14:10 You talk about eyes. The Spider-Man artists found a workaround that the eventual Dead Pool artists adopted. That and the color scheme leads me to believe that's why they'll always accuse one-another of stealing each others outfit whenever they meet.
The "woman standing with a uni-leg" trope hits a couple of times I saw. And while you mention that Liefield cuts off feet on the cover, when you finish the foot section and go "back to the story" right there Deadpool's feet are cut off. lol
poor Rob drew the bicep of a much larger arm, and then realized he didn't have enough space for the rest so he crammed the forearm in to the space he had. I also like how Deady has to prop his hand against his kidney because there's a stupid pouch in the way for some reason! lol... His artwork is eye-wateringly terrible. Afaic, his work has no redeeming qualities.
yeah i don't think rob liefield artwork has improved that much since the 90's and in fact his artwork looks really bad. Also congrats 100 episode man :)
Ah yes, 2 of Rob liefelds best characters with stunning designs. "I can't believe it's not Deadpool" and "I can't believe it's not cable" are some of the best works of comic book fiction
Excellsion I give Liefeld credit; he's clearly grown over the decades. He still has his stylistic elements and ruts he falls into, but there's clearly a huge improvement.
It's always been painfully obvious that Liefeld has no idea what he's doing.But one great thing about the comic book industry(depending on how you look at it)is that there aren't really stringent requirements to work in it(and even more so,nowadays,with all of the different avenues available to aspiring writers and creators). There are a lot of writers and artists who quite frankly,aren't that talented,aren't that creative and who aren't that skilled but they still managed to make it,anyways.I think Liefeld is just the most famous example of that.
I still consider him an artist, just a really bad one. His art got him a paycheck and that’s all he knew. I dont think he acknowledged how bad that art style was
I still consider him an artist… a professional and talented one at that… _B U T,_ a bad one at that… I know I’ll probably never reach to that levels of shading, line shading and coloring but damn… is bad Talent or skill doesn’t mean it ain’t good looking
Thank you for your hard work and self inflicted abuse man; im just getting into drawing comics and your channel is mad informative and inspiring. Liefelds stuff can get pretty butt ugly but theres a purity in it that i appreciate, like a kid playing with his action figures and forgetting where he's put the accessories
He's the one the luckiest hacks out there, he's the idol of shitty to mediocre artists. Many Artists 100 times better than him can only dream of a 1/10th of the fame and money he's got.
Congrats on your channel reaching your 100th episode bro and great review bro, I personally believe that if Liefeld didn't get lazy by riding Deadpool's popularity for years and if he had continued drawing ,he would of been among the legends of comicbook artists .But keep up the good work bro.
He IS a legend... His Deathmite "work" literally ruined Valiant comics. So, when people praise Liefeld, they're literally ignoring Barry Windsor-Smith.
congrats on a great 100th episode! also, after such terrible sodas (and I thought I saw enough bizarre sodas in Japan) you should add a subtitle: "the Things I do for Comics!" (after Connery's James Bond "the Things I do for England"!)
I don't know happened but I had to subscribe to you again, and I never unsubscribed because you're more authentic than most youtube comic related channels, you're more sincere and honest and you're not afraid to say that you like controversial comic creators. Anyway I subscribed again, here's to another 100 more videos.
Soooo in summary, he hired someone to do backgrounds and figured out how to draw slightly larger triangles for feet. That's an improvement of sorts, sure!
Congrats on 100 episodes Chris! You are one of my top 3 comic related shows/content provider on all of TH-cam. And I watch all the popular channels and other smaller channels. You are an inspiration to me and the depth and fun that I would also like to share with the TH-cam world. Thanks again brotha. @skunkape
You're being very charitable to one of the worst artists in the history of the medium. Yes, your example shows that he reduced those tropes, but look at the rest of his art that you showed - it was still quite poor. I think the best way to put it is that his work lacks effort. You pointed out the colorist doing his job for him. But even the foreground elements, those characters aren't well drawn, aren't drawn with any particular skill. He's still suing all sorts of tricks to avoid work...such as everyone either being in masks or being an alien. He still draws sci fi gun-tubes so that he doesn't have to draw detail or perspective. The inability to put the woman IN the waterfall as opposed to a waterfall being behind her. The guy's issues sell because he does lowest common denominator stuff. He has explosions and blood and action, and he has that reliably. Not that he does those well, but every comic fan who just wants action knows that his books will be stacked with action...and very little else. He's the least talented creator to last so long or rise so high. Even Michael Bay, the Rob Liefeld of filmmaking, at least makes movies that are pretty. Liefeld's art isn't even that.
Great video! I confess I never bought a Liefield comic. I even took photos of him at a comic show tears ago while he was drawing. (Left handed). And in all that time I never paid any attention to his work. It was so off my radar. I never thought to wondering why I didn’t care for it and you summed it all up for me.
Can we please talk about how all the characters are floating in midair.
Save that for the Randy Queen/Darkchylde episode.
why? Rob doesn't.....
Yeah, he isn't hiding feet now, everyone is just hovering.
Ghosts
No lady dp and dogpool are floating kid pool is on the ground his foot is cropped
Ryan Reynolds (as Deadpool) even made a crack about a "artist" who could not draw feet in Deadpool 2!
@JohnnyMangoes
Then they should have taken a fucking art class or quit the comic book industry, jeez.
@@freggittlegamint2830 avoiding doesnt mean dont know how to draw . He just dont like drawing feets . U can see him how beautiful he draws batman's feet in hush
@@ryanmadej6694
You have made no point.
The guy doesn't like to draw feet?
Then don't become an artist paid to do just that.
@@freggittlegamint2830 but that doesn't mean he's bad at drawing feet whenever it's necessary unlike leifeld .
@@ryanmadej6694
When did I say that?
The Rob Liefeld episode was actually how I found you. I was fresh off the heels of Godzilla Mendoza’s Bad Comic Art and TH-cam started recommending me various other Rob Liefeld videos, then I found you and the rest is history. This was a really nice treat!
AliensAreNoobs funny thing is.. That’s exactly What’s happening to me right now. I literally clicked on this video after I watched Bad Comic Art. And I am about to subscribe to this guy.
Same exact thing with me
SAME HERE!
Same
It can't be just me that thinks Godzilla mendozas voice is super fucking annoying
He improved, but not much from someone whose been drawing for thirty years there should have been more improvements in the 20 years. It goes to say how far a over inflated ego and contacts can take you.
Marvel art director John Romita Sr was correcting Liefeld's Marvel artwork.. So it could probably be said the early work is better than modern.
One thing I appreciate about Liefeld is how genuinely nice he seems to be despite the amount of shit he gets from the internet.
One thing I appreciate about Liefeld is HIS ACTUAL ART (and immense contribution to comics and pop culture).
He gets shit from the internet because he is a shit artist xD
but he's a very nice person, he dosen't deserve it much tbh...
@@jazzlehazzle WE ONLY SAY NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT LIEFIELD’S ART AROUND THESE PARTS!!!!!!!!!!
lol I’m of course just kidding. He’s a fine artist.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 I take Liefield's over the top insane stylization over generic, anatomically correct stuff. Even if story sucks ass, there is at least Liefeld keeping you company along the ride.
The perfect cocktail for a Rob Liefeld deconstruction. A soda that reeks of bad feet.
Ouuuuuuuch.
If only it was tiny and rarely seen
These types of sodas are 3.95$ apiece plus 9$ shipping so like 12$ a bottle for the shit
Liefied is so over praised. He acts like he made Deadpool what he is, when it was other writers who added all the things people love about the character. Like the humor and fourth-wall breaking and Gerry Duggan give us the definitive version of the character
Same thing with Shatterstar. He may have designed him, but it was the writers after him who made him a character
I wonder how amazing the comic book would be if Rob drew a comic written by Frank Miller at his absolute worst..
@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் imagine All Star Batman and Robin with Leifeld art
Oh, yeah. Didn't Kno that
That's strange, because it was my understanding that Joe Kelly provided the greatest "run" for the character and wrote the best humor. I guess it's debatable then.
“That tastes foul.............let me make sure “ *takes a second big swig
Everyone talking about Liefeld, but Im legit intrigued, baffled and absolutely mesmerized by the BUTTER SODA. Who came up with that idea and made it into a real thing?
It's like in Star Trek:
Data: "I hate this!"
Guinan: "More?"
Data: "Please!"
6:09 - Poses are solid? The leg in the foreground looks like the other leg. Watch how it's inner thigh looks like his outter one.
Besides, the feet hanging from the panel is out of proportion.
Every time I looked at that panel I couldn't mae up my mine on which leg was which.
I noticed that right away and it bugged to me such an insane degree I also skipped ahead to escape the damn thing.
I thought it was two left legs.
Yeah.....his body looks weird
This guys anatomy is so bad. The muscles are all fucked and twisted and their bones are weird lengths.
Mr. Tropes, you are a brave man for consuming all of these... "beverages."
Unknown secret: Rob liefeld does not draw feet because he has a foot fetish and would not be able to complete a comic book without splooging all over the pages
LOL
Cannon
🤔
I could have gone my whole life without knowing that.
In my experience it’s Jim Lee who has a foot fetish. Like seriously, see the guy going on about it
All of those sodas seem like something Deadpool would create and trick everyone into drinking. Your taste buds must have hated you after this video. And Congratulations on 100 videos!!! Here's to many more videos and continued success!!
I know I'm not the first person to observe this but...seriously...thank God you didn't play this game with alcohol. Rob Liefeld could have slayed your liver.
Yea a whole 6 beers how crazy
@@CAMSLAYER13 who said it was going to be beer?
“You can make everything into a bottle opener, even the most powerful weapon in the galaxy”
Wise words.....
Wise words....
I'm screaming, "NO NO NO NO NO" at my screen everytime you put one of those weird sodas to your mouth.
Liefeld bragging about Deadpool would be like the first guy to draw a 🙂 bragging about Watchmen.
You mean like the “creator”
Or Bob Kane with Batman
@@joeysopinion4463Hey, that's not fair. At least Rob draws his own art. He also bothered to make other things. Even if they're bad. At least he actually tried.
@@joeysopinion4463 no, Bob Kane DID NOT create Batman ,nothing at all, hes a literal thief. Rob, on the other hand, did design Deadpool costume, give him guns and stuff.
I think they did invent the smiley. That's the first time I've ever seen one. Matter of fact I didn't even know you could smile before I seen Rorschach clean these leftist homeless from the streets.
Are we just going to overlook the damage this man is doing to his body for our entertainment?
what's the guy in the upper left corner doing to spider man's butt?!
i.imgur.com/oIKsqGj.png
What do you think?
Mister Fister
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And are those donkey testes above left shoulder
@@deadzone4033 MISTER FISTER HOLY SHIT IM DYING
The infamous Cap in the background looks like he swallowed all the other Steve Rogers ever drawn/filmed/sculpted.
15:05 What, no comment on the incredible anatomy of the princess? Thlack of organs, snake spine, truncated hipbones and either an enormous butt or the most terrifying arch in existence looks like a trope to me.
Classic liefeld woman who look like melted broken-spine snakes
Great video. I think Liefeld's newer stuff is a little more disciplined and toned down. In my opinion his strengths were always layouts that had bold impact and intensity, not really accuracy or consistent details. On a technical level he has improved in some ways, but in other ways he has kind of taken out a lot of what he used to be great at.
Interesting take. I'm fascinated by how Liefeld has been able to stay popular. In that sense I respect him, and any creator who manages to stay in the game for so long. But I never thought about it terms of layouts or camera angles. Reminds me of Ditko and how well he uses layouts, even during those times when the guys inking over his breakdowns do a poor job.
That's probably part of it, I just think he got too popular too fast. In the 90s there were lots of speculators buying comics as investments, and not even reading the books. Liefeld didn't get famous because people liked his art. Liefeld became famous because he was in a 501 Jeans commercial made by Spike Lee. After that he became one of the high selling artists in the industry, and I think it went to his head. He did think he needed to improve his art because his books were all selling so well.
Adelso Corona is the Inker ... So that has a lot to do with look getting better.
LOL! A critical analysis of Liefelds work mixed with sodas-with-disgusting-names reviews just cracks me up. In fact, the soda reviews totally took the spotlight here making the Liefeld analysis quite boring in comparison. As the video played, I more and more just waited for the next review. Your facial expressions and body language topped with your description of the tastes - especially when the sodas doesn't taste good - is priceless and made me laugh so hard. You're quite the comedian in a very natural-modest and calm way.
Man, this channel is so awesome! You deserve so many more subs. Keep up the good work!!!
I've just recently gotten heavily into comic collecting after about a 20 year break. The over-saturation of the market in the 90's kinda turned me off to buying new comics. Still read my old ones, but stopped buying new ones. Now that I'm back in full tilt, I'm learning a lot about what's been happening over the years from great channels like yours. I wasn't aware of the controversy over Liefeld that's been going on. Seems like folks either really love the guy or they hate 'em. Not much in-between that I can find. Fascinating to learn this stuff here. Thanks again for a great, fun informative channel.
Jeff I left comics from 1991 to 2015 and have had a similar experience. The Lees and the Liefelds (and the speculators) really turned me off, but if only I had been a fan of, say, the Legion of Super Heroes, I would have stayed in comics.
you guys need a list of the good stuff?
Recommendations are always welcome. I'm rather enjoying buying omnibus collections of great runs at the moment. Reading Infinite Crisis at the moment and I friggin' love it! Geoff John's Teen Titans looks awfully good so I may pick that up.
The 90s is the dark age of comic books. Everything great has been tossed away in favor for Edgy Kid's fantasy, like: Guns, DUAL WIELDING GUNS, dark colors, power suits, shitty shading, ugly colors, EVERYONE BECOMING BUFF, I MEAN, MAGNETO IN THE 60's HAD A NORMAL SHIRT, AND IN THE 90's HE'S BECOME A BUFFASS BIMBO.
Let's not forget MacFarlane
His tropes sound like they came from anime - specifically Dragon Ball Z. Especially with them triangle feet and backgrounds being replaced with speedlines XD
They also have giant shoulder pads in dbz maybe you're onto something...
Yeah, sure, considering Dragonball started in 1986 and Toriyama drew consistently for over 10 years non-stop on a WEEKLY basis, besides writing his own story and doing the character designs for games like Chrono Trigger and Dragon Quest without stopping drawing manga, missing a deadline or failing at drawing backgrounds and perspectives.
Oh, almost forgot Dr. Slump, which had a pretty lengthy run of 4 years (WEEKLY BASIS).
TL;DR: Toriyama made in 20 years more work than 4 Liefelds will never do in a lifetime.
@@Changetheling I wasn't insulting Toriyama, I was calling Liefeld a weeb.
Difference is that Toriyama's art actually looks great, and his characters are iconic and appealingly designed. Very much the opposite of Leifeld's horrifically ugly art.
@@NounOzlos I don't disagree. Just pointing out that perhaps he thought copying a master without the skills to match would make him great by default.
I've always hated Rob Liefelds work and I don't want to come off pretentious but I've been an artist my entire life and I've always studied art and learned from masters such as Jae Lee, Lienil Yu, Alex Ross and of course, Jim Lee to name a few. I'm nowhere close to being at any level they're at but I know that one of the most important aspects of being a comic book artist is learning, and constantly trying to improve your craft. It goes for every medium in life really, which is why I have such an issue with Rob Liefeld. I believe that because he got hired at 19 to do comics professionally, he, for lack of better terms, got a big head and became extremely narcissistic to the point where he felt like he didn't have to improve anymore. Jim Lee's earlier work had flaws because he was also a young artist but even to this day he's still finding ways to keep at it and try new techniques to improve his craft. Now he's regarded as a legend and has earned his place in the comic landscape. However, Liefeld not only stopped improving but it seemed to halt completely when he got extremely lucky with Deadpool. I will say that yes, his artwork has technically "improved" now compared to then (he at least figured out how ribcages work) but not by much and it's extremely unfortunate. What makes it worse is that I know many artists my age and older would give a limb and an organ to have started a professional career in comics at 19 and even make a fortune with our own characters as he did but it feels like he stopped giving a shit. I guess the summation of my dislike can be described as a waste of potential. If he had not gotten so arrogant and cocky because of his success, he would probably be up there with Jim Lee and so many amazing artists today. I apologize if I offend anyone who supports Liefeld and I want to say really quickly that while I am new to your content, I am thoroughly enjoying watching your videos on these topics. You've got another subscriber and I can't wait to watch more :)
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This is a very fair and balanced report
Thanks for your work, I really love it
I mean, I feel a bit sorry for Liefeld. He clearly draws straight up from his heart. He doesnt correct stuff or bother with time consuming feet. He just want to express all the emotions of giant chests (male and female) and move on.
All jokes aside, I am frustrated and angry about his artwork though. It's just so so bad.
the point of his art is to be impactful, not to be anatomically correct
Yeah. Even if he's gotten better over time, his art is still not up to professional standard.
@@kaivenfigueroa Excuses excuses. You could argue this with an artist who has a particular style, whose art is very stylized. You can't claim that about Liefeld, because his art is so inconsistent. Even from panel to fucking panel. His art is not a stylistic choice - he's just not very good at drawing, compared to most professional artists.
@@puckerings example of a stylistic artist that's very good: mike mignola
@@kaivenfigueroa It's impactful all right. Not in the way he intends though.
Congrats on 100 Episodes! Love your
Channel!
Oh, god, that's just fowl. Let make sure.
Congratulations on the 100 Episodes! I followed you over here from TheRobotsPajamas from episode 1, and can't believe you've been able to keep these up at a weekly pace this whole time.
I did see some triangle feet (especially Deadpool in the business suit), and although it's not a trope you specifically mentioned, his characters are often hovering above the ground and aren't anchored to their surroundings. I guess even though he's drawing more feet he doesn't like to draw them flexing when people walk.
Great episode... I laughed as hard at your soda reactions as I did at the tropes.
Congratulations on 100 episodes, Chris. Always look forward to your vids. As for Liefeld, I'm still not a fan of his work, but I give him a lot of credit for creating a name for himself and staying relevant for 25+ years in an industry that can be very harsh and critical. He marches to his own drummer which I can definitely respect. Here's to the next 100, Chris, and thanks for all you do!
Dirt soda taste like....dirt go figure. Everyone needs to subscribe all his videos are good, when Chris gets drunk from troupes is really funny.
Great! That was an excellent 100th episode!
Ironically I think his early DC stuff is his best work. He proved he could actually draw before he developed his horrible style affectations that distorted anatomy and common sense. His "Secret Origins" story of Nightshade was a very solid beginning, and his "Hawk and Dove" was good as well. It's when his "New Mutants" work began blowing up that he went off the deep end. Success simply went to his head.
If you're referring to his work on Hawk and Dove, credit goes to his inker Karl Kesel, who has done great work drawing and inking himself for the Newsboy Legion.
As a greedy teen I sipped from time to time some french dressing.
But this soda shouldn't exist. It just shouldn't.
Yeah, he's definitely far better than his infamous 90's work. Nowadays, you can look at Rob Liefeld's recent artwork and unironically say "Wow, that is great". I didn't know about the more recent Deadpool example, but another one would be his Micronauts cover. I had completely no idea it was Liefeld, until I saw his signature.
It also helps that he's become much more self-aware and less defensive, even creating a self-parody character made entirely of pouches who uses a pouch gun with pouch bullets (I think it's called "The Pouch"). That's the kind of humor I think Liefeld always needed to have back in his heyday, but he was sorely lacking because "I just sold over a million copies, clearly I know better than you!" Leaning more on colorists I think plays to his strengths too. The problem with that is, he gets all of the limelight when it's the colorist (people who are already notoriously underappreciated as is) pulling his weight and making him look good. Even here, his colorist (Romulo Fajardo Jr.) doesn't get a name-drop, despite having been the one who actually made that art pop.
Liefeld didn't create the pouch. It was a long time fan parody. He did draw a version though.
Adelso Corona is the Inker ... So that has a lot to do with look getting better.
Zack West his art has gotten slightly better, but it isn't something that I would call good. He is a name, like smashing pumpkins, that sells-that is all.
@@willdpe1256 Honestly though, cuz Liefeld's anatomy and faces are still all over the damn place
When you come back to Canada , we have both cream sodas, the pink and the almost transparent one , same taste enjoy
Congratulations on 100. Glad to be here for it. Great topic. The comic book 'artist' I love to hate!
Loved to see the great Tony Moore in this episode, and congrats for 100!
"That just tastes foul... let me make sure"
That's a trope...
"Does this smell like shit to you?"
Entertaining, informative and funny breakdown as always! This video and the pepper one make for a great double feature, too
Thanks for featuring my fanart, Chris! Happy you liked it! :)
Congrats on hitting 100 episodes!
Loved it. Thank you, Ravi.
Moores work on fear Agent is incredible, some of my favourite in the short time I've been reading comics
I actually don’t have any of Rob’s work but that’s kind of a good thing
nah! you should get his old books. they were so bad they were good. don't remember why I collected his books, but I think that the fact that he got mixed in with the likes of Jim Lee and Todd McFarlane at the time, he was in the right place at the right time.
@5:32 "OOOH that's foul" - come for the thoughtful criticism, stay for the Butter Soda LOL
''It's nice to have someone who can draw feet'' Jim Lee :D LOL
Though, I came late to the party (channel), finds it fun, funny and informative. So Congrates to the 100 episodes and 10 million more!!!
One year later I'm still laughing my ass off about this video.
Great episode, so funny. Great content also. I love all you episodes and hope it goes on for years and years.
everything tastes like chemicals because everything is chemicals
Underrated comment.
Lol, any time he said “it just tastes like chemicals and sugar” I was just thinking “dude, that’s soda, you’re describing soda”
Exactly...H2O...water is a chemical. I usually say something like...I hate sucralose...it tastes like laboratory disinfectant. Even though I've never tasted laboratory disinfectant.
Every time you pulled out a soda and I saw the 'Get y'alls fixins'' motto on it I was just like "Ohhhh no!", every time I've seen someone drink a Lester's Fixin's soda it is a rancid nightmare.
Why does liefeld have so much difficulty drawing feet? Feet aren't very difficult to draw, especially when covered by a shoe, they're a fairly simple form to draw.
Its the same reason why he can't draw hips, legs, arms, teeth and anything in human body anatomically correct.
Honestly, I have terrible time with feet too and I literally went to private University for portrait painting and comic book character design.
Sometimes it's just a weird hiccup artists get. I knew a girl who couldn't draw ears for some particular reason. 🤷
Maybe it's the perspective cues that are inherent in feet? If you get the perspective off in drawing the feet (though simply formed) the whole figure looks perspectively off
I disagree about feet not being difficult to draw.
I think he just doesn't find them fun or interesting to draw, his pre-breakout work shows he can draw human anatomy fine. For his own reasons he just chooses not to.
Okay...I'd have "liked" this video anyway, but after the opening intro...I liked it faster than I usually do XD Great opening!
Dirty Harry had a Cable gun!! That movie must have inspired everything Liefeld ever did.
There's every chance it was an actual influence.
@HicksZ34 On the other hand Clint Eastwood also made Hirohiko Araki gave birth to Kujo Jotaro.
Just found this TH-cam channel! Tons of fun! And clever observations and well produced. Jealous I didn’t think of it first!!! Thank you for the content keep it up!!!
It's like Rob Liefeld has never actually personally witnessed a real-life human being in the wild -- his only visual reference for them is comic book art.
Holy shit, dude! I have never seen anyone do something so masochistic. First you subject yourself to the horror of Liefeld's art and when he fucks up you punish yourself even more by drinking bottles of butter and piss flavoured soda...? I've never seen such courage. Have a sub, man. You've earned it.
Short answer to the titular question: no.
Long answer: noooooooo.
Congrats on your 100th episode! Really happy to see you do another Liefeld review, the first video of yours I found was the last Liefeld one so it all comes full circle. I also really like Liefeld's work tho it's not perfect it has a lot of energy and I love 90s style art. I can't believe its been two years already!
y'know even Stan Lee said that a Rob Liefeld character without shoulder pads is almost naked XD
I know this video is nearly 2 years old, but I find this interesting. Many of those artists from that time period have stopped growing. I blame the deadlines and workload from allowing them to get better. One artist that most of us like that makes one of these big "tropes" is Jim Lee. How often does he avoid drawing feet? My eye is drawn (no pun) to Jim's lack of feet, especially on covers.
I gotta be honest, I enjoy Rob Liefeld roasts because I honestly hate his art. I see his art and wanna punch somebody.😐
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Same! Liefeld's "stuff" is just pure BAD.
HOW DOES HE STILL GET WORK?!
Bethan Woods At this point he is a huge name in comics and has a large enough fan base that he can still get work. Plus, given this video he does seem to have improved some elements in his style. I think Liefeld got very lucky. He got into comics at a time when his work, as bad as it was, somehow resonated with audiences, and fit well into the overall direction comics were heading into. A bit earlier or later, and he would never have made it.
A Snake Yeah, that cover is awful. Let's do a Voldemort on it and not mention it.
Rob Liefeld's goal in his art is to make people want to punch each other.
I feel the same way about JR Jr.
I found you by accident, and I'm glad I did! Your series is fun and I find myself agreeing with you especially on Greg Land. I have so many things I follow, I wish I had more time, but I am enjoying your work so far.
Why do those sodas exist lmao
More love (and a like and a sub) from Kentucky! It was great to see the Ale-8 carton make an appearance. :)
At 14:10 You talk about eyes. The Spider-Man artists found a workaround that the eventual Dead Pool artists adopted.
That and the color scheme leads me to believe that's why they'll always accuse one-another of stealing each others outfit whenever they meet.
The "woman standing with a uni-leg" trope hits a couple of times I saw. And while you mention that Liefield cuts off feet on the cover, when you finish the foot section and go "back to the story" right there Deadpool's feet are cut off. lol
I too like to laugh at Liefeld's art but then I always remember that he is the successful comic artist and not me :D
I feel like the groin blob actually makes sense, even a superhero would wear a codpiece, and codpieces under lycra would look similar to that
18:43 *What* is going on with Deadpool's arm on the left? I don't know how to describe it other than saying that it looks so wrong.
poor Rob drew the bicep of a much larger arm, and then realized he didn't have enough space for the rest so he crammed the forearm in to the space he had. I also like how Deady has to prop his hand against his kidney because there's a stupid pouch in the way for some reason! lol...
His artwork is eye-wateringly terrible. Afaic, his work has no redeeming qualities.
Congrats on your 100th episode! I look forward to each new video you put up.
Come for the critique, stay for the reactions. You're cringing at every sip, even when you like the soda.
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OMFG TONY MOORE?!?? Holy shit I love that man
I cannot believe you got him in your series
yeah i don't think rob liefield artwork has improved that much since the 90's and in fact his artwork looks really bad. Also congrats 100 episode man :)
Adelso Corona is the Inker in these comics ... So that has a lot to do with look getting better.
@@willdpe1256 boy his name aged well didn't it?
It's been 5 years. Has Liefeld improved by now? Maybe it's time for another episode about him.
Ah yes, 2 of Rob liefelds best characters with stunning designs. "I can't believe it's not Deadpool" and "I can't believe it's not cable" are some of the best works of comic book fiction
Don't forget "I can't believe it's not Wolverine."
How could you forget "I can't believe that woman's spine bends that way"
Okay, I think that intro is my new favorite from you. It's just great.
Well, those were certainly less agregous than in the New Mutants one.
Excellsion I give Liefeld credit; he's clearly grown over the decades. He still has his stylistic elements and ruts he falls into, but there's clearly a huge improvement.
Chris Check Agreed
*egregious*
i'm really glad i found this channel really funny
Very simply, Liefeld is not an artist. It's not a question of style; he just doesn't know what he's doing.
It's always been painfully obvious that Liefeld has no idea what he's doing.But one great thing about the comic book industry(depending on how you look at it)is that there aren't really stringent requirements to work in it(and even more so,nowadays,with all of the different avenues available to aspiring writers and creators).
There are a lot of writers and artists who quite frankly,aren't that talented,aren't that creative and who aren't that skilled but they still managed to make it,anyways.I think Liefeld is just the most famous example of that.
I still consider him an artist, just a really bad one. His art got him a paycheck and that’s all he knew. I dont think he acknowledged how bad that art style was
I still consider him an artist… a professional and talented one at that… _B U T,_ a bad one at that… I know I’ll probably never reach to that levels of shading, line shading and coloring but damn… is bad
Talent or skill doesn’t mean it ain’t good looking
Thank you for your hard work and self inflicted abuse man; im just getting into drawing comics and your channel is mad informative and inspiring. Liefelds stuff can get pretty butt ugly but theres a purity in it that i appreciate, like a kid playing with his action figures and forgetting where he's put the accessories
Of course not. He's the biggest hack in comics. He is both a horrendous illustrator and a swipe artist.
Congrats on the 100 episodes!
He's the one the luckiest hacks out there, he's the idol of shitty to mediocre artists. Many Artists 100 times better than him can only dream of a 1/10th of the fame and money he's got.
I'm surprised one of his 'tropes' wasn't Swiping. That would have definitely ended up with a swig of soda!
Congrats on your channel reaching your 100th episode bro and great review bro, I personally believe that if Liefeld didn't get lazy by riding Deadpool's popularity for years and if he had continued drawing ,he would of been among the legends of comicbook artists .But keep up the good work bro.
He IS a legend... His Deathmite "work" literally ruined Valiant comics.
So, when people praise Liefeld, they're literally ignoring Barry Windsor-Smith.
So is Rob Liefeld basically the Kid Rock of comics?
congrats on a great 100th episode! also, after such terrible sodas (and I thought I saw enough bizarre sodas in Japan) you should add a subtitle: "the Things I do for Comics!" (after Connery's James Bond "the Things I do for England"!)
Congratulations! !
I don't know happened but I had to subscribe to you again, and I never unsubscribed because you're more authentic than most youtube comic related channels, you're more sincere and honest and you're not afraid to say that you like controversial comic creators. Anyway I subscribed again, here's to another 100 more videos.
this soda triggers my lactic acid allergy
The Spiderman panel top left on the wall is hilarious.
"Guns like look like tubes"
Just came across your channel, Chris. Really great contents man! subscribed!
Soooo in summary, he hired someone to do backgrounds and figured out how to draw slightly larger triangles for feet. That's an improvement of sorts, sure!
Congrats on 100 episodes Chris! You are one of my top 3 comic related shows/content provider on all of TH-cam. And I watch all the popular channels and other smaller channels. You are an inspiration to me and the depth and fun that I would also like to share with the TH-cam world. Thanks again brotha. @skunkape
Thanks for the support.
You're being very charitable to one of the worst artists in the history of the medium. Yes, your example shows that he reduced those tropes, but look at the rest of his art that you showed - it was still quite poor. I think the best way to put it is that his work lacks effort. You pointed out the colorist doing his job for him. But even the foreground elements, those characters aren't well drawn, aren't drawn with any particular skill. He's still suing all sorts of tricks to avoid work...such as everyone either being in masks or being an alien. He still draws sci fi gun-tubes so that he doesn't have to draw detail or perspective. The inability to put the woman IN the waterfall as opposed to a waterfall being behind her.
The guy's issues sell because he does lowest common denominator stuff. He has explosions and blood and action, and he has that reliably. Not that he does those well, but every comic fan who just wants action knows that his books will be stacked with action...and very little else. He's the least talented creator to last so long or rise so high. Even Michael Bay, the Rob Liefeld of filmmaking, at least makes movies that are pretty. Liefeld's art isn't even that.
Adelso Corona is the Inker ... So that has a lot to do with look getting better.
Its funny cus Deadpool and Spiderman's Masks are supposed to act like eyes.
I don't even think it's the lack of effort. It's lack of style more like
Fucker draws like a damn middle schooler.
He needs to take a sketching course or really any art class in general.
It's so fucking bad I can't believe this is allowed to happen. Really there was no better artist anywhere at all?
"The poses are solid..." Apart from the fact that his legs look like they're on backwards!
Love the videos, though!
21:00 Fitting that the ranch soda smells like FEET. The soda and Rob's art creating a synergy!
This is honestly my favorite channel!
Liefeld's greatest technique: expect others to do the work instead
Great video! I confess I never bought a Liefield comic. I even took photos of him at a comic show tears ago while he was drawing. (Left handed). And in all that time I never paid any attention to his work. It was so off my radar. I never thought to wondering why I didn’t care for it and you summed it all up for me.