You gotta love Toriyama's writing. Making changes to his formula almost ALWAYS has some crazy ripple effect. Every "bad" thing that happens is balanced out. You make the heroes stronger and have them win fights they previously lost, and suddenly things somehow end up worse in the long run. You lose characters, techniques, transformations, etc. I've always noticed that about DBZ. The consequences of altering the story are always pretty drastic and rarely good. Still interesting, though.
"Vegeta grabs Goku by the Gi and pulls him inside the chamber" With that 1 line, I am now convinced MasakoX has written Goku/Vegeta fanfiction before ;D
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New what if Scenarios. What if Goku married Bulma? What if Gohan defeated Frieza on namek? What if Vegeta was unimpressed and killed semi-perfect Cell.
Second one just wouldn't happen. Maybe Krillin cutting Freeza in half? Way more likely. Or even the spirit bomb killing Freeza, which is the most likely.
1. Currently on going now 2. Yeah, wouldn't happen 3. Vegeta would've ended the Cell Saga, which he would gloat about and Gohan wouldn't have become Super Saiyan 2 unless him and Goku kept training. Krillin and 18 would get in a relationship like normal but it'd take longer, 16 would still be around, Goku wouldn't discover Super Saiyan 3 or Fusion in the after life.
Yeah its like in the original manga they were referred to as Cyborgs or something....oh wait. Technically 17 and 18 are true Cyborgs and the rest (including the 3 movie villains) are all Androids. Who cares? It's the late 80's just call 'em something science-fictiony! Toriyama said this, I'm sure.
Hi I'm Nico! 16 isnt an android or a cyborg he is a robot because robot mean that no human parts so if you dont know something dont start writing Public comments you will tell people wrong things even if it is just an anime
Well he might still be single, 18 fell for him because of the events through out Cell Saga. Seeing as none of that ever happened and 18 never even sees Krillin there is no reason to say they would end up together.
Riko Wolfin The same could be said with Vegeta and Bulma. But the namek saga could have still maybe sparked a romance. Vegeta didn't come back to way later according to Masako
Actually I don't think it would. As far as I'm concerned, when Cell absorbs the androids they don't die so imperfect cell wouldn't have killed 18. Technically it would be Goku who had killed 18 so the wish would have no effect.
Remember in this current What if Krillin is only like 15 by the end (iirc); however in the next one he will be 22. Also, 18 should not be dead at the end of this installment as the wish by Goku and Gohan would have brought her back to life. I think that she will show back up at the Tenkaiichi Budokai at the start of the Buu arc; and that will be where she meets Krillin and they become infatuated with each other.
What if kid Goku went Super Saiyan, which lead to Raditz turning good to be on the side of the legendary warrior and leads to Trunks being stronger and more prideful from being raised by Raditz so ends up not killing a frieza lacky that blows up his time machine. There, wrapped it all up in a nice little bow.
Buu doesn't exist because everyone too damn strong so devil man gets ass blasted and bapidi's vaporized. All the saiyans will max out SSJ 2, Raditz being dead last for the lulz before Super starts. Don't really see what'd be different besides the Pan announcement happening later in super and not in the movie to allow the SSJ God ritual for Goku with future trunks and Raditz there. This time Raditz grovels even more than Vegeta in front of Beerus, their panicked need to entertain being the main comedy of the movie/arc. After that when Whis is convinced to train people ;Raditz spars with future trunks while Goku spars with Vegeta, Gohan training Goten and Kid Trunks (kid Trunks has grown to calling future trunks "uncle me" after growing up with him around his whole life saying things such as "Yo uncle me, sup??") Everyone becomes SSJ Blue, BUT Goku never learned the Kaioken. Hit would beat everyone...or will he? After he's starting to get bored beating Vegeta Trunks and a longer fight with Gohan who is being evasive trying to figure out Hit, but miscalculates and gets defeated. Raditz possibly losing to freeza clone earlier in the tournament. Hit's surprised to see Goku block his attacks, even better than in Super mind you since he had a lot more fights to watch to mentally prepare. Without Kaioken however he can't keep up when Hit gets serious, still impressed by Goku but a shorter anticlimactic end I don't see later character development between the two would be very different. Hit takes the fall as a courtesy to Goku for actually giving him some fun and Beerus makes the same wish he did in Super. Future Trunks arc; ...welp... shit, zeno might wipe out universe 7 because Goku couldn't get him future zeno as a friend! I don't really know what to do here if anyone actually reads this and has their own theory to continue this I'm totally interested to read it!
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That was the remade time machine that could fit more people. If you go back into dragon ball z you will see how vary vary vary small that time machine really is. There is no way in hell second form cell could fit into that.
It didn't end up mattering anyway. Cell never got to the chance to acquire the time machine anyway. But IF he did, then I guess he could to into his larvae state and would just grow back into his Semi-Perfect state when he reached Trunk's timeline.
+MFAniki6390 yep, if he can recover in his current strongest form from a single cell such as what happened after he blew up there's no doubt he could recover back to that form after reverting to larval state.
Why didn't cell just go stright to killing people after going back in time the first time then? By this logic he could of recovered back to his first form and not have to burrow into the ground for 5 years.
He might still have had to burrow into the ground for 5 years; but he would have came back as Semi Perfect Cell. The real question is why didn't he go back and use the original time machine he stole?
Masako you are such good narrator, I can totally imagine Goku vs Cell battle in big city. Can't wait for part 5. Hope its not final, it would be interesting to see Android 16 in the Universe 6 tournament.
In the Super Manga Trunks revealed a form that was, essentially, Full Powered SSJ2. It rivaled, if not surpassed, SSJ3 in its strength and was so strong that Goku decided to abuse God Form to get a cheap win over Trunks in their fight. I think that, since Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan were all training and practicing SSJ2 over 7 years, at least one of them (I'd actually say Gohan) should have obtained this form going into Part 5. Perhaps have it be a trump card he's been holding onto for the next time him and his Father sparred, but instead has to reveal it in his fight with Majin (or maybe Super) Buu.
After looking it up the form seems to be dubbed as "Strengthened Super Saiyan 2". Neat. Either way hopefully Masako sees this before doing Part 5. Would be radical to see it added in.
Vegeta used something called the "Quake of Fury", which is the act of using intense rage to strengthen the power of the SSJ2 transformation. Think of it as more of the Grade 2 SSJ form for SSJ2, where as "Strengthened SSJ2" would be the equivalent of Full Power SSJ2. It's actually somewhat similar to Trunks' "Super Saiyan Rage" form that he takes later on during the fight against Zamasu and Black. Perhaps we'll see Vegeta obtain that form as well in the future, maybe?
True, though there wasn't much note of a power up at all for the anime version so I'm not fully sure the form exists there even if the wiki does label it as such. Just seemed like he did a regular power up to me as opposed to going Full Power.
She is brought back, but the events that sparked the romance between her and Krillin never happened. Without the threat of Cell bringing the two together, it's unlikely that they become a thing until Maijin Buu at earliest. Though, this does present an issue @MasakoX; Without the threat of Cell to humble the androids, and without their interaction with Krillin, wouldn't the androids still be hostile towards Goku and friends?
Well after figuring out that that they killed Cell, what ever Cell was exactly, and seeing 16 with them I doubt 18 would be starting up trouble. Now that I think about it that could be a way to get Krillin and 18 together, have them go out looking for the dragon balls to wish her brother back and they bond that way.
but they never got to see 18 out of the pod or make a relationship with her the wish would of brought her back but not 17 so she would never meet the Z fighters unless she desires to one day
I know this is strange, but due to the wish's wording wouldn't 18 come back? "Everybody killed by Gero and his creations." 18 Was killed by Cell, a creation of Gero.
I think that he wasn't completely thinking of everything when he did the end of this installment. I think a better way he could have said it was that 18 was dead before Krillin and her even had a chance to meet, as such she can be alive but neither of them know each other (or that she has a booby bomb). I think she will show up and meet (a now legal) Krillin at the Tenkaiichi Budokai that takes place during the Buu Saga.
LainK1978 Maybe, or it's also possible he overlooked this thought when he had that wish in mind. I just wanted to bring it to his attention in case he didn't realize it, or maybe he did; like you said; and the two will meet at this tournament.
@@GFCOLCQuote I know I'm a year late on this, but just for the record, the androids don't die when cell absorbs them (he coughs up a live 18 in the actual series), so technically, Goku killed her in this scenario.
@@Judgement_Kazzy Didn't that same wording bring back 17 though in the show? I mean, I guess technically the first time Cell exploded he blew up himself, but he didn't die so that shouldn't count as killing 17 either.
Want proof? Black goku at base was as powerful as ssgss vegeta since he took hits from him and simply brushed it off. Ssjr has the same multiplier as ssjb and goku in god form now is on par or above black. Meaning that base goku = base black = ssgss vegeta in the tournament saga
Yes... and ssgss goku later beat hit without the kaioken and hit had improved. Meaning that gohan basically beats everybody from the tournament saga from hours of training
"next, hopefully last, part" um, no. You NEED to keep making these., They're SOOOOO GOOOOOOOD. I'd even watch ones based on GT. Super would be good too though O:
We got supreme Kai fusion but he's something Masako couldn't the supreme Kai assistant teach some of the zfighters that godly Instant transmission beacuse they can go in the room of spirt and time
Yeah Supreme Kai's gonna' have to taxi everyone around instead of Goku, but without Majin Vegeta fighting Goku there won't be enough expended energy to create buu assuming Babidi isn't destroyed when Gohan first faces him anyway. You can't teach it, just like Whis can't teach his technique it comes with the job/species basically.
Goddess of Chaos Well she might hang out with 16 for a while, who tells her she doesn't have to fallow her programing and she hooks up with Krillin but much later then in the main story. Which if all goes well, means she'd be pregnant during the Buu Saga.
skyler kelloe I don't think so. The way I understand it is, 17 was killed by Cell when he blew himself up, not upon being absorbed unlike Cell's human victims. Therefore was brought back when they wished all of Cell's victims back. Since 18 was technically still alive inside of Cell, she was killed alongside him by Goku's Kamehameha and wouldn't have counted as Goku isn't one of Gero's creations.
Unlike the regular humans imperfect cell drank, 17 and 18 are kept alive inside of cell. 17 died when cell blew himself up on king kai's planet, making him a kill by the hands of gero's creations. In this what if, 18 is still alive inside of cell, and got killed by goku when he vaporized cell. So 18 would not count as a kill by the hands of gero's creations.
at this point the balls seperating would be slow enough for most of the z warriors to chace after them as they do (kid goku was fast enough to grab the 4 star before it flew of), so if they really wanted to they could grab all 7 then skip the entire searching process.
No, because it's the guardian of earth or the guardian of namek that summons the dragon, it is connected to the planet itself so it would run on earth's time. The balls are a tool to summon the dragon who otherwise sleeps in the planet...probably in the nice warm lava, very cozy for a dragon I'd wager. I know this because they would've done it otherwise lol.
masako ur deductions are absolutely great, the only thing i have to say is that since goku unlocked the supersaiyan transformation when he was a kid means that gohan should have been born with a higher powerlevel or transform into a supersaiyan much earlier than what i describe because goten was able to transform so early, so when gohan gets his potential unlocked by elder guru he in advertantly becomes a super saiyan, which quickly leaves him exhausted as he has never transformed before
Super saiyan wouldn’t really have draw backs in Gt with this what-if, this could change things and there still’s more differences but that’s the first one that comes to mind
Cell wouldn't have died there. :/ Goku would have shot the beam and in a last ditch effert, cell would have slapped and deflected the beam (blowing off his arm, but regeneration), then Cell would have hid and kept trying. Eventually somehow Cell would have gotten to his Perfect form. How? Because *plot*.
Majin Buu will never be born because vegeta is not mad anymore because gohan is stronger now or vegeta will not let babidi control him because he know that he can be more stronger than goku.and the z fighters can take dabura
Masako answered this. There's supplies for 2 people, but if you ration it out you can cram extra in. Your average human can last ~30 days with no food, so it's not that far fetched to say that a Saiyan can last a few weeks without food. Also: Senzu beans.
I can't help but feel that MasakoX has been irreversibly corrupted by the English Dub's herofication of Goku. Hearing a lot of "Leave and never return" from a character who's actual goal in life is to fight stronger people, despite the consequences.
Vance Miller, Jr I agree about the second part of your statement, but the "Superman" Goku isnt exactly bad. He's just using the English material because it's what he grew up with. That doesn't mean he's been 'irreversibly corrupted'. He knows that the Japanese Goku is different. I like both Gokus, but I grew up with the funimation dub and so I like that one a little bit more.
I am in the same boat, I grew up with the Ocean Dub and then eventually the Funimation run... but if I were going to predict how an anime would go in a "What if" scenario, I'd try to keep the material as close to the original author's intent as possible. We're seeing a good deal of the original intent being displayed by Super's current depiction of Goku and the other characters, so straying from Akira Toriyama's image of his character can be very jarring, judging from how the Dub treated Z.
Vance Miller, Jr I agree, I would stick to the original personalities as well for a what if. I love how Super is staying with the character's original personality. It was odd at first, only ever watching the English version of DB,DBZK, and DBZ. Now I like Vegeta and Goku more knowing their original personalities.
Exactly, the Funimation dub was.. for a lack of a better word, Fun... but the original personalities and motivations are so incredibly engrossing. It changes the entire dynamic of how enemies can become allies and even lovers, in the case for 18.
That's also why I enjoy DBZ Abridged series so deeply because it is a fantastic blend of the goofy original and the serious dub. It was the perfect primer for going from Z to Super because it maintained the same narrative without destroying what Z became in the US.
The first sentence says the second sentence is lying about the first sentence being true, there for the first sentence truly is false, nothing convoluted about that
But Cell is at the same heigth than Piccolo (220 cm) and Goku is just 175 cm. Cell also has a large tail, big wings and a crown. That is why could no fit on the time machine.
It's debatable that this cell would have Namekian DNA. Piccolo Jr. does not exist and we know Cell's DNA comes from him because he knows the Special Beam Cannon. However, that might only apply to the cell in the basement of Dr. Gero's lab. The adult Cell might still be from a timeline where Goku didn't become a Super Saiyan as a child.
Except in the last part, Masako said that King Kai taught him everything including his version of Instant Transmission as a thank you for taking out the freeza.
Masakox I have a GREAT idea in my opinion. Do a MEGA what if where you try to put most if not all of your what ifs into one video. I believe this would be a really good video cause it would work quite well. Like what if goku went ssj as a kid and what if trunks got stuck in the past and what if radits changed to good those would work well together I believe. Please guys if you like this idea please like it so masakox can see it.
i am rather liking this what if story telling here. Alot of it is making a lot of sense. Some here and there flaws but nothing that you can ignore a bit. I do like that it turns Vegeta into a more team work person than an arrogant person he was in the original story. Though i kind of think thats not his style of getting help from anyone. I think he would have figured it out on his own but i guess he had no choice but to have Goku show him otherwise. It does make it so Goku and Vegeta become best buddies lol
love this addition, although I do have to say, I am upset that hogan wasn't the person to defeat cell and unlock ssj2. But you should do another one of these: "What if Gohan stayed the main character in the buu arc." I'd love to see how things would've turned out.
Can't wait to get to the Majin Buu saga of this What If, I'm sure it's going to be very interesting. I'm personally a bit bummed about the absence of Super Saiyan 3 and Metamoresian Fusion, but them's the breaks with changing how the timeline goes. Still hoping for some really cool scenarios. Like if Semi-Perfect Cell was able to stick around longer (only to be killed off before getting a chance to go Perfect, lol), maybe Super Buu will get to be around longer too. Maybe they'll even defeat and destroy him before he de-evolves into Kid Buu, saving a lot of trouble and Dragon Ball wishes. Or maybe the absence of Fusion just makes things harder, who knows?
A good comment to make on Goten and Trunks in the next what if would be an inherent tag team affinity. literally have someone say "they're fighting is completely in synch, almost as if they're one person"
Love this series MasakoX. I was just thinking, it would have been neat if since King Kai did intervene and give Goku some training if because the others did help in the fight against Frieza that he would offer the other fighters a similar chance to teach them what he knows. Maybe sometime during the 7 year time skip? It's hard to know who would be pure of heart enough to harness the power of a spirit bomb, but I do see all of the fighters who can't turn Super Sayain willing to learn the Kaio-Ken and attempt to master it over the 7 year gap. Sure, maybe they are outclassed if one of the sayains decide to go super, but at least here I could see the earthlings able to go toe to toe for a few minutes with a base sayain VS an earthling with a decent control over higher multiples of Kaio-Ken. Why would this be interesting? Well, for one it would be nice to give the earthlings a chance to shine against the weaker members of Babadi's forces while the sayains do battle with the stronger ones. Also, knowing that a human's pride is not nearly as high as a sayains, perhaps the human characters would be more willing to try out a porta fusion? Tiencha anyone? See, the sayains hesitate until it is revealed that "Oh look, because they are mortals it only lasts for an hour." (Thanks Super *Cough Cough*) With that revelation, I could see Goku and Vegeta begrudgingly willing to fuse for an hour as a last resort :P. Are there flaws in my ideas that I probably didn't think of because I'm just your average dragon ball fan? Most likely :D. I'm just excited and wanted to help out and comment if possible. Feel free to call me horrible names and tear me a new one guys (because youtube). But I'd prefer it if you could show me the error of my ways respectfully yeah? Either way, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and tell you MasakoX that I think you're doing a great job and I can't wait for part 5 :D.
Just a few off the top of my head: What if Future Goten also existed ? What if Trunks Timeline got te namekian dragonballs? What if spovovich and yamu waited until after the tournament to steal energy? What if Chichi managed to beat Goku in their tournament Fight? What if Launch was a Saiyan? What if YAMCHA was a Saiyan? What if Tien, Yamcha and Piccolo learned king Kais techniques?
In the next part supreme Kai asks goku to train with him with the z sword to get stronger, gohan being like he is in super wants to train too so they go and old supreme Kai offers goku the ultimate form that pushes beyond your limits goku then says to give it to gohan as he has more potential and will be stronger
Goku(different what if): goes SSJ in the saiyan saga, and becomes SSB in frieza saga and probably would have been UI in the cell saga Goku(this what if): goes SSJ years before the other goku, yet still isn't SSJ2 during the cell saga
Imagine the actual dragon ball team gets an ear on this and decides to commission his idea(s) to make a miniseries in manga form with all of these what if scenarios lol
You gotta love Toriyama's writing. Making changes to his formula almost ALWAYS has some crazy ripple effect. Every "bad" thing that happens is balanced out. You make the heroes stronger and have them win fights they previously lost, and suddenly things somehow end up worse in the long run. You lose characters, techniques, transformations, etc.
I've always noticed that about DBZ. The consequences of altering the story are always pretty drastic and rarely good. Still interesting, though.
Masako has been consumed by What Ifs, he's beyond saving.
Meant to be a joke, not actually complaining
"Vegeta grabs Goku by the Gi and pulls him inside the chamber"
With that 1 line, I am now convinced MasakoX has written Goku/Vegeta fanfiction before ;D
vegeta: i want you inside -me- THE CHAMBER
*is This **-what if-** series gonna end at Super's Start or the end of GT?*
*_OR BOTH?!?_*
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Mr.Gohan I hope both
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New what if Scenarios.
What if Goku married Bulma?
What if Gohan defeated Frieza on namek?
What if Vegeta was unimpressed and killed semi-perfect Cell.
Second one just wouldn't happen.
Maybe Krillin cutting Freeza in half? Way more likely.
Or even the spirit bomb killing Freeza, which is the most likely.
Rehan Mo pure goodness
1. Currently on going now
2. Yeah, wouldn't happen
3. Vegeta would've ended the Cell Saga, which he would gloat about and Gohan wouldn't have become Super Saiyan 2 unless him and Goku kept training. Krillin and 18 would get in a relationship like normal but it'd take longer, 16 would still be around, Goku wouldn't discover Super Saiyan 3 or Fusion in the after life.
Masako calls 16 a cyborg, which is funny because he's an actual android XD
Yeah its like in the original manga they were referred to as Cyborgs or something....oh wait. Technically 17 and 18 are true Cyborgs and the rest (including the 3 movie villains) are all Androids.
Who cares? It's the late 80's just call 'em something science-fictiony! Toriyama said this, I'm sure.
He was talking about what Trunks was thinking about, which Trunks would have thought it was another Cyborg.
"What are you made of, pure metal?"
"Affirmative. I am *android* 16"
"Oh. Errors have been made"
Well you wrong
Hi I'm Nico! 16 isnt an android or a cyborg he is a robot because robot mean that no human parts so if you dont know something dont start writing Public comments you will tell people wrong things even if it is just an anime
Wait. Wouldn't 18 have been resurrected by the wish as well since she was killed by cell? If so, poor Krillin doesn't have to be single lol
Well he might still be single, 18 fell for him because of the events through out Cell Saga. Seeing as none of that ever happened and 18 never even sees Krillin there is no reason to say they would end up together.
Yeah, you're right. I'm just saying I feel bad for poor Krillin
Riko Wolfin The same could be said with Vegeta and Bulma. But the namek saga could have still maybe sparked a romance. Vegeta didn't come back to way later according to Masako
Actually I don't think it would. As far as I'm concerned, when Cell absorbs the androids they don't die so imperfect cell wouldn't have killed 18. Technically it would be Goku who had killed 18 so the wish would have no effect.
No, because that's how they brought 17 back in the actual show. He was technically killed by Cell, so the wish brought him back.
Android 16 is actually an Android. He's purely mechanical.
DarthDragon007 that would make him a Robot, not an android.
Kiro Sakai androids are human robots
18 and 17 were cyborgs while 16 was an Android you could kinda see it
No that makes him an android and the rest cyborgs.
Kiro Sakai an android is a robot that is just mechanical but looks like a human
I thought this said "What if kid Goku went Super Saiyan 4." I was like "dumb..."
Kevin Reed uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh op
Kevin Reed
I think someone made that too , somewhere
Nativ Safra yea it’s called dragon ball gt lmao
@@jman72898 lol
What if Future Gohan went to the past instead of Trunks?
banana toadstool During his younger match with Cell he'd be like "Holy shit, I could get THIS strong??"
Now that sounds interesting.
That has already been done
Sideswipe 909 no it hasn't
That's a fucking good what if Oh my !
Man, a lot of these 'what if' scenarios end up with Krillin and 18 never getting together. Poor guy.
Remember in this current What if Krillin is only like 15 by the end (iirc); however in the next one he will be 22. Also, 18 should not be dead at the end of this installment as the wish by Goku and Gohan would have brought her back to life. I think that she will show back up at the Tenkaiichi Budokai at the start of the Buu arc; and that will be where she meets Krillin and they become infatuated with each other.
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zamu2 Well Picollo Jr. doesn't exist in a lot of these what-ifs.
'so long as you are careful with the supplies in the hyperbolic time chamber'
sends in 3 Sayans
What if kid Goku went Super Saiyan, Raditz turned good and Trunks was stuck in the past?
MaranX Oh my god I literally just made a comment on how he should make a MEGA what if where he incorporated all/most what it's into 1 video/series
What if kid Goku went Super Saiyan, which lead to Raditz turning good to be on the side of the legendary warrior and leads to Trunks being stronger and more prideful from being raised by Raditz so ends up not killing a frieza lacky that blows up his time machine.
There, wrapped it all up in a nice little bow.
Buu doesn't exist because everyone too damn strong so devil man gets ass blasted and bapidi's vaporized.
All the saiyans will max out SSJ 2, Raditz being dead last for the lulz before Super starts.
Don't really see what'd be different besides the Pan announcement happening later in super and not in the movie to allow the SSJ God ritual for Goku with future trunks and Raditz there. This time Raditz grovels even more than Vegeta in front of Beerus, their panicked need to entertain being the main comedy of the movie/arc.
After that when Whis is convinced to train people ;Raditz spars with future trunks while Goku spars with Vegeta, Gohan training Goten and Kid Trunks (kid Trunks has grown to calling future trunks "uncle me" after growing up with him around his whole life saying things such as "Yo uncle me, sup??")
Everyone becomes SSJ Blue, BUT Goku never learned the Kaioken.
Hit would beat everyone...or will he? After he's starting to get bored beating Vegeta Trunks and a longer fight with Gohan who is being evasive trying to figure out Hit, but miscalculates and gets defeated. Raditz possibly losing to freeza clone earlier in the tournament. Hit's surprised to see Goku block his attacks, even better than in Super mind you since he had a lot more fights to watch to mentally prepare. Without Kaioken however he can't keep up when Hit gets serious, still impressed by Goku but a shorter anticlimactic end I don't see later character development between the two would be very different. Hit takes the fall as a courtesy to Goku for actually giving him some fun and Beerus makes the same wish he did in Super.
Future Trunks arc; ...welp...
shit, zeno might wipe out universe 7 because Goku couldn't get him future zeno as a friend!
I don't really know what to do here if anyone actually reads this and has their own theory to continue this I'm totally interested to read it!
the planet explodes.
5:55 Masako meant to say "Its Yamcha"
This is such a great what if. Every time one of these comes out I forget the previous one and rewatch the whole playlist.
Can u do a part 3 for the raditz video and a part 2 for the trunks video
Moviemaker656 pretty sure he will during June's what if week
This is the best series of videos I've tuned into for Dragon Ball related discussions. I love these, can't wait for next month.
woah i didnt expect Part 4
thx masako
Ur welcom
@@abbadon6441 Are you MasakoX?
i have a feeling this what if might go on more than dragon ball super
I need part 5 right now
Goku is unbreakable.
Tintillo Roldan
Part 1: Saiyan Blood
Part 2: Dragon Tendency
Part 3: Z-Crusaders
Part 4: Goku is Unbreakable
Part 5: Capelli Aureo (Golden Hair)
Part 6: Namek Ocean
Part 7: Dragon Ball Run
Part 8: GoGolion
Holy shit is that a MOTHERFUCKING JoJo's reference?
hek189 What's a JoJo? Does it taste good?
KONO VEGETA DA!
This "What if" series is so amazing I can't wait for the next part
I love these wat ifs
dynamiic toxic it's too much
NEXT MONTH!!! MasakoX we need part 5 now!! I'm loving this series keep it up!!
I miss Piccolo....
That was the remade time machine that could fit more people. If you go back into dragon ball z you will see how vary vary vary small that time machine really is. There is no way in hell second form cell could fit into that.
It didn't end up mattering anyway. Cell never got to the chance to acquire the time machine anyway. But IF he did, then I guess he could to into his larvae state and would just grow back into his Semi-Perfect state when he reached Trunk's timeline.
+MFAniki6390 yep, if he can recover in his current strongest form from a single cell such as what happened after he blew up there's no doubt he could recover back to that form after reverting to larval state.
Why didn't cell just go stright to killing people after going back in time the first time then? By this logic he could of recovered back to his first form and not have to burrow into the ground for 5 years.
He might still have had to burrow into the ground for 5 years; but he would have came back as Semi Perfect Cell. The real question is why didn't he go back and use the original time machine he stole?
Trunks took the original time machine after they found it. Also Cell blasted a hole through the glass so im not sure it would even work.
Omg I literally just finished re-watching this series!
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*Goten is Goten*
These what if stories are fucking dope man. Please don't stop anytime soon
I got one for you MasakoX. What if Kid Vegeta went super saiyan?
Masako you are such good narrator, I can totally imagine Goku vs Cell battle in big city. Can't wait for part 5. Hope its not final, it would be interesting to see Android 16 in the Universe 6 tournament.
In the Super Manga Trunks revealed a form that was, essentially, Full Powered SSJ2. It rivaled, if not surpassed, SSJ3 in its strength and was so strong that Goku decided to abuse God Form to get a cheap win over Trunks in their fight.
I think that, since Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan were all training and practicing SSJ2 over 7 years, at least one of them (I'd actually say Gohan) should have obtained this form going into Part 5. Perhaps have it be a trump card he's been holding onto for the next time him and his Father sparred, but instead has to reveal it in his fight with Majin (or maybe Super) Buu.
After looking it up the form seems to be dubbed as "Strengthened Super Saiyan 2". Neat.
Either way hopefully Masako sees this before doing Part 5. Would be radical to see it added in.
Flowey the Funposter did vegeta done something similar the 1st fight with beerus?
Vegeta used something called the "Quake of Fury", which is the act of using intense rage to strengthen the power of the SSJ2 transformation. Think of it as more of the Grade 2 SSJ form for SSJ2, where as "Strengthened SSJ2" would be the equivalent of Full Power SSJ2.
It's actually somewhat similar to Trunks' "Super Saiyan Rage" form that he takes later on during the fight against Zamasu and Black. Perhaps we'll see Vegeta obtain that form as well in the future, maybe?
That was in the manga only, as it's not nearly as strong as SS3 in the anime.
True, though there wasn't much note of a power up at all for the anime version so I'm not fully sure the form exists there even if the wiki does label it as such. Just seemed like he did a regular power up to me as opposed to going Full Power.
wow. you are amazing with the what ifs and story telling. we really need someone to animate or draw up a manga for your videos. Im hooked.
Why is 18 still dead wouldn't she have been wished back like 17 was in the original timeline?
She is brought back, but the events that sparked the romance between her and Krillin never happened. Without the threat of Cell bringing the two together, it's unlikely that they become a thing until Maijin Buu at earliest. Though, this does present an issue @MasakoX;
Without the threat of Cell to humble the androids, and without their interaction with Krillin, wouldn't the androids still be hostile towards Goku and friends?
Well after figuring out that that they killed Cell, what ever Cell was exactly, and seeing 16 with them I doubt 18 would be starting up trouble.
Now that I think about it that could be a way to get Krillin and 18 together, have them go out looking for the dragon balls to wish her brother back and they bond that way.
Hmmm, maybe. It's certainly possible that she and Krillin (ever the helpful one) could go looking for the dragon balls to wish 17 back!
but they never got to see 18 out of the pod or make a relationship with her the wish would of brought her back but not 17 so she would never meet the Z fighters unless she desires to one day
noahfg1234 there'd be no reason to wish her back
Good job as always MasakoX. Vegeta asking his bets buddy, Goku to train with him. I imagine that was quite for the Saiyan Prince.
I know this is strange, but due to the wish's wording wouldn't 18 come back?
"Everybody killed by Gero and his creations."
18 Was killed by Cell, a creation of Gero.
I think that he wasn't completely thinking of everything when he did the end of this installment. I think a better way he could have said it was that 18 was dead before Krillin and her even had a chance to meet, as such she can be alive but neither of them know each other (or that she has a booby bomb). I think she will show up and meet (a now legal) Krillin at the Tenkaiichi Budokai that takes place during the Buu Saga.
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Maybe, or it's also possible he overlooked this thought when he had that wish in mind. I just wanted to bring it to his attention in case he didn't realize it, or maybe he did; like you said; and the two will meet at this tournament.
@@GFCOLCQuote I know I'm a year late on this, but just for the record, the androids don't die when cell absorbs them (he coughs up a live 18 in the actual series), so technically, Goku killed her in this scenario.
@@Judgement_Kazzy Didn't that same wording bring back 17 though in the show? I mean, I guess technically the first time Cell exploded he blew up himself, but he didn't die so that shouldn't count as killing 17 either.
Man I love the stuff you think up for these What If videos.
What if gohan never stopped training !!!!!
He answered that in this video. Gohan didn't become all kinds of weak and squishy because Goku encouraged Gohan to keep training with him.
Looking at how he reached god level in super by training for less than a day (somehow) he would likely be at beerus level
You do realise that goku in his base is at tournament saga ssgss right now right? And gohan forced goku to go super saiyan
Want proof? Black goku at base was as powerful as ssgss vegeta since he took hits from him and simply brushed it off.
Ssjr has the same multiplier as ssjb and goku in god form now is on par or above black. Meaning that base goku = base black = ssgss vegeta in the tournament saga
Yes... and ssgss goku later beat hit without the kaioken and hit had improved. Meaning that gohan basically beats everybody from the tournament saga from hours of training
"next, hopefully last, part" um, no. You NEED to keep making these., They're SOOOOO GOOOOOOOD. I'd even watch ones based on GT. Super would be good too though O:
We got supreme Kai fusion but he's something Masako couldn't the supreme Kai assistant teach some of the zfighters that godly Instant transmission beacuse they can go in the room of spirt and time
Yeah Supreme Kai's gonna' have to taxi everyone around instead of Goku, but without Majin Vegeta fighting Goku there won't be enough expended energy to create buu assuming Babidi isn't destroyed when Gohan first faces him anyway. You can't teach it, just like Whis can't teach his technique it comes with the job/species basically.
loved the "hope" part written in blood I love it I love it a lot also can't wait for part 5
wouldnt cell still search for a way to be perfect?
Renzo Legaspi He wanted Trunks' time machine to get #17
Definitely my favorite part of this particular discussion. I like the concept of lessening the gap.
if all the people who were killed by Gero and his creations were brought back, wouldn't 18 be revived as well?
skyler kelloe yes. I think he over looked that. its literally the reverse with cell and 17 in the actual story.
Goddess of Chaos yeah. that's exactly what I mean shed be off doing her own thing somewhere after being revived how 17 did in the actual story.
Goddess of Chaos Well she might hang out with 16 for a while, who tells her she doesn't have to fallow her programing and she hooks up with Krillin but much later then in the main story. Which if all goes well, means she'd be pregnant during the Buu Saga.
skyler kelloe I don't think so. The way I understand it is, 17 was killed by Cell when he blew himself up, not upon being absorbed unlike Cell's human victims. Therefore was brought back when they wished all of Cell's victims back. Since 18 was technically still alive inside of Cell, she was killed alongside him by Goku's Kamehameha and wouldn't have counted as Goku isn't one of Gero's creations.
Unlike the regular humans imperfect cell drank, 17 and 18 are kept alive inside of cell. 17 died when cell blew himself up on king kai's planet, making him a kill by the hands of gero's creations.
In this what if, 18 is still alive inside of cell, and got killed by goku when he vaporized cell. So 18 would not count as a kill by the hands of gero's creations.
God DAMN I love these videos! Thanks for the great content, Masako!
Goku would have a power level of 290
285 get it right
CookehLurd Lord of the cookies hi CookehLurd
Huh? How do you figure? This is the Cell saga.
290 in cell saga daymmmmm
YES! This upload just made my day, I love this fanfic, you're amazing and thank you for your content my good man!
10:40 Vegeta, prince of snu-snu
can't they bring the dragon balls in the room to skip the waiting?
JackSpedicey Huh.. Never thought about that.
Someone tell us!!
They would have no way to find them, they only turn back into dragon balls after a year other wise I think they are just stone orbs.
at this point the balls seperating would be slow enough for most of the z warriors to chace after them as they do (kid goku was fast enough to grab the 4 star before it flew of), so if they really wanted to they could grab all 7 then skip the entire searching process.
No, because it's the guardian of earth or the guardian of namek that summons the dragon, it is connected to the planet itself so it would run on earth's time. The balls are a tool to summon the dragon who otherwise sleeps in the planet...probably in the nice warm lava, very cozy for a dragon I'd wager. I know this because they would've done it otherwise lol.
JackSpedicey they should have let goku heal in there
this series is awesome. I watched/listened it all in one go.
Maybe Gohan will get his ultimate/mystic form, and be strong enough to defeat Majin Buu by himself
masako ur deductions are absolutely great, the only thing i have to say is that since goku unlocked the supersaiyan transformation when he was a kid means that gohan should have been born with a higher powerlevel or transform into a supersaiyan much earlier than what i describe because goten was able to transform so early, so when gohan gets his potential unlocked by elder guru he in advertantly becomes a super saiyan, which quickly leaves him exhausted as he has never transformed before
nah nah nah, masako. You're doing GT with this. MAKE IT BETTER!!
gt is better than super super copyd gt a new form a enemy coming back stronger heck a new formed fusion super copyed gt
Con Mars I don't like where this is going
I AM ICE COLD 794 TURN UP finally someone with some sense
Super saiyan wouldn’t really have draw backs in Gt with this what-if, this could change things and there still’s more differences but that’s the first one that comes to mind
@@hiromamoru9144 I Kinda Agree
Lol 3:36 "Trunks is taking personal responsibility for this and for a BRIEF moment" 😂😂😂 Udabess bro 💪💪💪
Cell wouldn't have died there. :/ Goku would have shot the beam and in a last ditch effert, cell would have slapped and deflected the beam (blowing off his arm, but regeneration), then Cell would have hid and kept trying. Eventually somehow Cell would have gotten to his Perfect form. How? Because *plot*.
Votric no regeneration because he has no cells from piccolo
He has cells from the Demon King Piccolo (Piccolo's Dad). IF Piccolo can regenerate I can imagine his dad can too.
Votric I must've not heard him say he had king piccolo cells
Maybe he had it, i don't really know
The point of these what if's are to see how the story changes. In this case it behooves the plot to have these scenarios end differently.
yay part 4. I'm still waiting for radits stuff.
Majin Buu will never be born because vegeta is not mad anymore because gohan is stronger now or vegeta will not let babidi control him because he know that he can be more stronger than goku.and the z fighters can take dabura
Yep, it'll be skipped over just like it was in the future timeline with Trunks killing Daburoa and Babidi after training with Supreme Kai.
I really enjoy your what if vids MasakoX.. Keep up the great work bro.
wait but i thought only 2 people can enter the room at a time
if they can fit 4 people in a time machine, they can put more than 2 on the time chamber
Masako answered this. There's supplies for 2 people, but if you ration it out you can cram extra in. Your average human can last ~30 days with no food, so it's not that far fetched to say that a Saiyan can last a few weeks without food.
Also: Senzu beans.
i commented before i saw that part morons
Simple solution then: Watch the entire video before commenting.
i did watch it
omg such a good insight, cannot wait for part 5.. why not cover super as well! the story has so much potential :)
I can't help but feel that MasakoX has been irreversibly corrupted by the English Dub's herofication of Goku. Hearing a lot of "Leave and never return" from a character who's actual goal in life is to fight stronger people, despite the consequences.
Vance Miller, Jr I agree about the second part of your statement, but the "Superman" Goku isnt exactly bad. He's just using the English material because it's what he grew up with. That doesn't mean he's been 'irreversibly corrupted'. He knows that the Japanese Goku is different. I like both Gokus, but I grew up with the funimation dub and so I like that one a little bit more.
I am in the same boat, I grew up with the Ocean Dub and then eventually the Funimation run... but if I were going to predict how an anime would go in a "What if" scenario, I'd try to keep the material as close to the original author's intent as possible. We're seeing a good deal of the original intent being displayed by Super's current depiction of Goku and the other characters, so straying from Akira Toriyama's image of his character can be very jarring, judging from how the Dub treated Z.
Vance Miller, Jr I agree, I would stick to the original personalities as well for a what if. I love how Super is staying with the character's original personality. It was odd at first, only ever watching the English version of DB,DBZK, and DBZ. Now I like Vegeta and Goku more knowing their original personalities.
Exactly, the Funimation dub was.. for a lack of a better word, Fun... but the original personalities and motivations are so incredibly engrossing. It changes the entire dynamic of how enemies can become allies and even lovers, in the case for 18.
That's also why I enjoy DBZ Abridged series so deeply because it is a fantastic blend of the goofy original and the serious dub. It was the perfect primer for going from Z to Super because it maintained the same narrative without destroying what Z became in the US.
I loved this continuation. Please keep it going
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The first sentence says the second sentence is lying about the first sentence being true, there for the first sentence truly is false, nothing convoluted about that
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I'm glad to have subscribed to your channel, your what if's scenarios are really interesting.
But Cell is at the same heigth than Piccolo (220 cm) and Goku is just 175 cm.
Cell also has a large tail, big wings and a crown. That is why could no fit on the time machine.
SenshiSam He could just throw away wings and crown and regrow them later. Namekian DNA.
It's debatable that this cell would have Namekian DNA. Piccolo Jr. does not exist and we know Cell's DNA comes from him because he knows the Special Beam Cannon.
However, that might only apply to the cell in the basement of Dr. Gero's lab. The adult Cell might still be from a timeline where Goku didn't become a Super Saiyan as a child.
Remember, Cell doesn't known that he can regrown parts of his body until Piccolo told him.
Very interested now in what could be in the Buu saga. Keep up the good stuff!
instant transmission was learnt in planet yardrat so he already knew it after frieza saga ...
ntinos baf Watch the previous parts then you'll understand
Except in the last part, Masako said that King Kai taught him everything including his version of Instant Transmission as a thank you for taking out the freeza.
The birds poping up after the kill son goku protocal nearly had me dying of laughter that was funny Masako
" NEED PART 5," THERE I SAID SOMETHING U AGREE WITH, NOW GIVE ME LIKES
I love all of your what if content but the what if kid goku went super saiyan is my all time favorite
Masakox I have a GREAT idea in my opinion. Do a MEGA what if where you try to put most if not all of your what ifs into one video. I believe this would be a really good video cause it would work quite well. Like what if goku went ssj as a kid and what if trunks got stuck in the past and what if radits changed to good those would work well together I believe. Please guys if you like this idea please like it so masakox can see it.
Amazing story!!!! Really, this was awesome.
Finally ....
Waiting for part 4 since decades xD ..
@MasakoX Thank You for your answer for my question about how can cell fit in the time machine without going back to his larvae form
DAMN I WAITED FOR THIS FOR SOOO LONG
every time you make these videos I just want more please make more
i am rather liking this what if story telling here. Alot of it is making a lot of sense. Some here and there flaws but nothing that you can ignore a bit. I do like that it turns Vegeta into a more team work person than an arrogant person he was in the original story. Though i kind of think thats not his style of getting help from anyone. I think he would have figured it out on his own but i guess he had no choice but to have Goku show him otherwise.
It does make it so Goku and Vegeta become best buddies lol
love this addition, although I do have to say, I am upset that hogan wasn't the person to defeat cell and unlock ssj2. But you should do another one of these: "What if Gohan stayed the main character in the buu arc." I'd love to see how things would've turned out.
I love youre videos you deserve 1 bilion subs:)
that's slightly overreacted
Can't wait to get to the Majin Buu saga of this What If, I'm sure it's going to be very interesting. I'm personally a bit bummed about the absence of Super Saiyan 3 and Metamoresian Fusion, but them's the breaks with changing how the timeline goes. Still hoping for some really cool scenarios. Like if Semi-Perfect Cell was able to stick around longer (only to be killed off before getting a chance to go Perfect, lol), maybe Super Buu will get to be around longer too. Maybe they'll even defeat and destroy him before he de-evolves into Kid Buu, saving a lot of trouble and Dragon Ball wishes. Or maybe the absence of Fusion just makes things harder, who knows?
Man I love your what if story's
WAIT!!!!!!...could king kai tell goku about the fusion dance???? And could goku have a thought of going ss3 like with ssbkk10
yess another of this fan saga hey masko x how ya doing you beautiful brishth man
A good comment to make on Goten and Trunks in the next what if would be an inherent tag team affinity. literally have someone say "they're fighting is completely in synch, almost as if they're one person"
yeah my favorite what if discussion!
I can wait for next part !
I kinda wish you'd write a full on fanfic on this premise.
really enjoyed this series
Can't wait for next episode!
Here's hoping we get more of the alternate Trunks story you started the other day. :D
so these what if videos are basically the top 20 dragon ball fanfic concepts, a bunch of these scenarios have their own fics lol XD
Love this series MasakoX. I was just thinking, it would have been neat if since King Kai did intervene and give Goku some training if because the others did help in the fight against Frieza that he would offer the other fighters a similar chance to teach them what he knows. Maybe sometime during the 7 year time skip? It's hard to know who would be pure of heart enough to harness the power of a spirit bomb, but I do see all of the fighters who can't turn Super Sayain willing to learn the Kaio-Ken and attempt to master it over the 7 year gap. Sure, maybe they are outclassed if one of the sayains decide to go super, but at least here I could see the earthlings able to go toe to toe for a few minutes with a base sayain VS an earthling with a decent control over higher multiples of Kaio-Ken. Why would this be interesting? Well, for one it would be nice to give the earthlings a chance to shine against the weaker members of Babadi's forces while the sayains do battle with the stronger ones. Also, knowing that a human's pride is not nearly as high as a sayains, perhaps the human characters would be more willing to try out a porta fusion? Tiencha anyone? See, the sayains hesitate until it is revealed that "Oh look, because they are mortals it only lasts for an hour." (Thanks Super *Cough Cough*) With that revelation, I could see Goku and Vegeta begrudgingly willing to fuse for an hour as a last resort :P. Are there flaws in my ideas that I probably didn't think of because I'm just your average dragon ball fan? Most likely :D. I'm just excited and wanted to help out and comment if possible. Feel free to call me horrible names and tear me a new one guys (because youtube). But I'd prefer it if you could show me the error of my ways respectfully yeah? Either way, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and tell you MasakoX that I think you're doing a great job and I can't wait for part 5 :D.
Just a few off the top of my head:
What if Future Goten also existed ?
What if Trunks Timeline got te namekian dragonballs?
What if spovovich and yamu waited until after the tournament to steal energy?
What if Chichi managed to beat Goku in their tournament Fight?
What if Launch was a Saiyan?
What if YAMCHA was a Saiyan?
What if Tien, Yamcha and Piccolo learned king Kais techniques?
I love this part. I wish there was a manga about this. It's so interesting.
You forgot that if you spend too much time in the time chamber, the entrance vanishes.
clearly not a thing anymore considering how often vegeta has used it.
That's only a part of Super. Dende had removed the limitation at that point.
"Trunks regained his composure after almost being sucked dry by cell... Phrasing..." IM DEAD! 😂😭
Daaaamn vegeta, you got some serious tsundere attitude in this version of dbz
was kinda hoping for a Trunks + Gohan back to the future arc... But oh well- this was still pretty great :)
In the next part supreme Kai asks goku to train with him with the z sword to get stronger, gohan being like he is in super wants to train too so they go and old supreme Kai offers goku the ultimate form that pushes beyond your limits goku then says to give it to gohan as he has more potential and will be stronger
Goku(different what if): goes SSJ in the saiyan saga, and becomes SSB in frieza saga and probably would have been UI in the cell saga
Goku(this what if): goes SSJ years before the other goku, yet still isn't SSJ2 during the cell saga
Imagine the actual dragon ball team gets an ear on this and decides to commission his idea(s) to make a miniseries in manga form with all of these what if scenarios lol
This should totally be a spin-off series!