Hi Laura, thank you so much for this video; it was extremely helpful. This video is 4 years old now; has anything changed regarding the Uber flights area? I thought i had heard, prior to the virus, that there were businesses like them starting in Southern California.
Hello Brandon, glad it was helpful. The latest I've seen in this area is that the FAA is still taking a dim view of "ride sharing" ideas for airplanes: www.forbes.com/sites/marisagarcia/2019/12/20/faa-warns-against-uber-for-planes-charter-concept-puts-blackbird-air-on-alert/#30a573696440 is a somewhat recent headline (from December 2019). According to Uber Elevate's own website, they are "working closely" with the FAA "regulators" to develop their product. I am almost certain this is going to fall under either an existing regulation covering "common carriage" or that an entirely new regulation will be created.
One questions my students seem to get stumped on. Can you advertise that you are a pilot. Say you advertise the fact you are a pilot and want to get hired and get paid to fly. two things my students typically get caught up with. first, students hears the word "advertise" and immediately say "no that is considered holding out and is not allowed". Wrong, we aren't advertising a service we are simply advertising ourselves as qualified pilots are are willing and able to fly for a company. If this was the case we would have alot of certificates taken away just by simply talking to an airline pilot recruiter. One could argue by talking to them you are "advertising" yourself as a pilot and are looking to get hired no? So do not let the work "advertise" guide you all the time. Second thing the get caught up on is the idea of getting compensated. You are a commercial pilot, you sure can get paid just depends on the situation. So do not say "no i cant do this or that" just because you hear the word "pay". Also one key thing to mention is how is it legal to perform common carriage? What allows big airlines to place tv ads on my favorite shows and not get in trouble? The fact is they have an Air operator's certificate and that allowed them to operate this way.
Thanks very much for this extra information! You’re right when you say in many situations you can “advertise” the fact that you’re a pilot and can get paid to fly. And the key point on your second one is right: airlines are willing to carry all comers and taking on the liability to assure “safe passage” so having an operating certificate lets them advertise!
This first point clarifying the ability to essentially advertise yourself as a pilot has made understanding out of so much time spent on this topic! Thank you!
So let me get this straight. If you “advertise” to the public that you’re going to a specific place, doing a specific thing, and asking for a fee (pro-rated or not), FAA says your common carrying. Buuut, if you simply “advertise” to the public that you are a pilot.. this is not common carriage to the FAA? What happens when the public contacts you for specific operations? Are you now a common carrier at that point and need a Air Operator Certificate ?
I’m not sure exactly your question. Common carriage is a test the FAA uses to see if an operator would be governed by strict part 135 or 121 regulations. A commercial pilot certificate is the minimum level of FAA issued certificate required to be paid to work as a pilot.
Thank you. You should do one explaining private carriage.
I will add it to the list!
Thank you this was very helpful!
So glad you learned from it!
The FAA makes wording so fucking complicated
That's what makes aviation SO FUN!
Great video
Thank you!!
Thank Laura!
+Andres Ramos you’re very welcome! I am glad I could help you.
what are you doing here andres hahaha
Gienne Riordan Van Engelen Laure is my girl man! Watch out. Nah but isn’t this video very helpful ?
Laura Laster definitely helped! Thank you thank you thank you.
+Andres Ramos haha yeah for sure she has an new subscriber💪
Hi Laura, thank you so much for this video; it was extremely helpful. This video is 4 years old now; has anything changed regarding the Uber flights area? I thought i had heard, prior to the virus, that there were businesses like them starting in Southern California.
Hello Brandon, glad it was helpful. The latest I've seen in this area is that the FAA is still taking a dim view of "ride sharing" ideas for airplanes: www.forbes.com/sites/marisagarcia/2019/12/20/faa-warns-against-uber-for-planes-charter-concept-puts-blackbird-air-on-alert/#30a573696440 is a somewhat recent headline (from December 2019). According to Uber Elevate's own website, they are "working closely" with the FAA "regulators" to develop their product. I am almost certain this is going to fall under either an existing regulation covering "common carriage" or that an entirely new regulation will be created.
Laura Laster wonderful, thanks so much for the help. This is a complicated area and I want to make sure I fully understand it.
One questions my students seem to get stumped on. Can you advertise that you are a pilot. Say you advertise the fact you are a pilot and want to get hired and get paid to fly. two things my students typically get caught up with. first, students hears the word "advertise" and immediately say "no that is considered holding out and is not allowed". Wrong, we aren't advertising a service we are simply advertising ourselves as qualified pilots are are willing and able to fly for a company. If this was the case we would have alot of certificates taken away just by simply talking to an airline pilot recruiter. One could argue by talking to them you are "advertising" yourself as a pilot and are looking to get hired no? So do not let the work "advertise" guide you all the time. Second thing the get caught up on is the idea of getting compensated. You are a commercial pilot, you sure can get paid just depends on the situation. So do not say "no i cant do this or that" just because you hear the word "pay". Also one key thing to mention is how is it legal to perform common carriage? What allows big airlines to place tv ads on my favorite shows and not get in trouble? The fact is they have an Air operator's certificate and that allowed them to operate this way.
Thanks very much for this extra information! You’re right when you say in many situations you can “advertise” the fact that you’re a pilot and can get paid to fly. And the key point on your second one is right: airlines are willing to carry all comers and taking on the liability to assure “safe passage” so having an operating certificate lets them advertise!
This first point clarifying the ability to essentially advertise yourself as a pilot has made understanding out of so much time spent on this topic! Thank you!
So let me get this straight. If you “advertise” to the public that you’re going to a specific place, doing a specific thing, and asking for a fee (pro-rated or not), FAA says your common carrying. Buuut, if you simply “advertise” to the public that you are a pilot.. this is not common carriage to the FAA? What happens when the public contacts you for specific operations? Are you now a common carrier at that point and need a Air Operator Certificate ?
Does Common carriage is allow to pilot to work ?
I’m not sure exactly your question. Common carriage is a test the FAA uses to see if an operator would be governed by strict part 135 or 121 regulations. A commercial pilot certificate is the minimum level of FAA issued certificate required to be paid to work as a pilot.