And...sounds like it's just a gimmick. I missed any explanation of its usage or intention, since it's definitely not the overhand monster the Epic was.
@@seymourglass26 Not a gimmick. Thrown on hyzer, the disc will hold the hyzer with maybe a touch of flip up. It shows it's overstability when on hyzer. However, throw it on anny and the gyroscopic flight will hold the anny without burning over hard or panning out too much. The anny flight is the most unique of all the lines you can throw with this disc. There is definitely a use for this disc from the actual flight characteristics, not to mention the ability to customize your grip (front loaded, back loaded, thinner or wider rim grip location, etc).
This disc is puzzling. I still haven't heard an explanation of the advantages (and disadvantages) of a variable rim width disc. Alan created the Epic because he wanted to maximize the wing width to increase the "speed" of the disc as much as possible. I'm assuming the operating principal here is that longer, slimmer objects have lower aerodynamic drag and can therefore fly faster for longer. The Epic seems to be designed in a way to maximize the rim width while still maintaining all other dimensional limitations set by the PDGA. Of course, this disc is made using recycled and recyclable plastic, which in itself is an admirable innovation, but if there aren't any advantages of designing a variable width disc, why use these resources to create the disc?
There was no maximum rim width when the Aerobe Epic was made. From what I remember when seeing disc in 2005 and on package said he used what was the Max rim width a person could hold comfortably in hand on skinny side. His skinny side was 2.5 cm or 25 mm according to PDGA with a 1 mm allowance for a molding error so when his disc was approved in 2004 26 mm became PDGA max as they did not want brands making a disc as wide as an Aerobe Epic on wide side all the way around rim as flex for a mold would be hard to grip. It was becuse of Aerobe Epic disc why a rim width of 15--16 speed or 26 mm was made as a max rim could be made. The few brands with a claim on a 17 speed disc had a high dome low profile disc. In 2008 PDGA was mulling around in several meetings on adding a ruling for Disc Specs saying a 2 cm or 20 mm rim width and a 1 mm tolerance for manufacturing was going to be max because good amateur players and Pro players using discs like a Wraith, Destroyer, new Nuke, and T-Rex on distance were maxing out even some long holes like on USDGC the epic hole needing 450 feet of water carry for the just over 1,000 foot hole on hard route (now only route becuse of one side being OB) players were getting a par 3 on a par 5. Basically, for pro players a Valkyrie/Beast or Orc could just be in very light weights in special durable plastics that had just come out in 2008 for players and thrown very far by pro players on calmer days or make a disc beyond a Tilt or Bunker Buster OS in lightweights only as pro specific discs. fix was on PDGA National Tour and on PDGA National events to change par on courses I was still waiting for a 2 on some where a course had a 200 foot hole like the old Las Vegas Challenge a preseason Disc Golf Pro Tour event having one hole like this but way they fixed issue was to have a basket so tall on specific hole some players like Keith Emmerson needing a persons help getting discs out or going even higher having only the tallest players not having issues.
It's not so much about the distance potential. You can see the unique gyroscopic flight characteristics of the disc when throwing it on different angles. No disc flies like it, so it deserves to be made and thrown by people who will enjoy it.
The epic is made to be thrown overhand, as in thumber and tomahawk. Instead of flipping and going edge down, it flips over a bit more and glides forward. It can go so far!!
@@slowbro1337 my ace discs and tournament discs are the only thing on display, but I do bag a black esp force and a dark purple big z Zeus that are such perfect flyers my game would be trash without them but have yet to find a similar run to replace them and they’re hard to see if they’re in shadows, the rest of the bag is hi-vis pink
I love the idea of reducing the waste. Since I started playing, I've been trying to buy recycled plastic discs and the brand that puts the most effort into making them. I've already ordered mine and I can't wait to try it :)
It doesn't do epic tomahawk flights. It flies like a regular overstable disc when thrown like that. The epic does what it does because of the bending manipulation you can do to make it less stable while still maintaining torque resistance.
So the disc has a boomerang like “wobble” side to side in the air due to center of gravity being not in the center of the disc. Could you make the disc have non concentric but still equal weight distribution? Like maybe one side is a 7 speed but extra thick like a mid range. And it slowly transitions to driver on the other side?
I wonder if having a different amounts of mass different distances from your hand could effectively change rotational inertia. Inertia of both of your throw/arm speed and of the discs rotation. Will that change possible throw speeds and/or disc rpms depending on where it’s gripped? Could that even change stability? I’m excited to try it out. Dave has done so much for disc golf in the STL area it’s insane. Gateway Discs should be a stop if you’re in the area.
If they make a tech disc with this… I wonder if you can tell the difference side to side in the data… Like, maybe people could find out their hand gets better rpm at a specific speed vs any other they throw, without buying multiple tech discs…
Any chance we could see a collaboration like this except with Loft? I know you have worked together before, and I would love to at least see their molds made with your recycled materials.
That could be an awesome collab for sure. Just got my Neon and Titanium an hour ago, and I would love seeing the Neon and the Bohrium available in different plastics! The recent Baja Dune is really fantastic feeling plastic (though it's still a bit on the slick side)
How did you calculate the speed? Jessie you said the thinnest part of the rim is 1.7 cm which would equal out to a 6.8 speed;while the widest part of the rim is 2.4 cm which equals out to be about a 14 speed. How is the speed calculated?
@@jockofthebush Look up "vendetta" and try again. Or, hear me out, you could stop comment-stalking me, because that feels more like a vendetta as if I hurt you by not appreciating a piece of plastic.
Ok, your previous releases are really great discs (though I haven't thrown the fairway yet). But this one just doesn't make sense from a physics/aerodynamics sense. I feel like you got sold a lemon or something, and I feel bad saying this. A disc that wobbles is going to drag more. If the top of the wing (generating lift) is a point rotating around a lower point because it's out of balance, it will actually cause more wobble. This is just a start. Why... I just... dude sorry.
@@durtydan420 yes it does look fun to throw, but it will lack consistency on an actual round. If you add a variable to the physics, your just compounding the inconsistencies, especially when you add wind or poor technique like nose up to the equation. In one video it was used alongside the Epic, and it didn't fly similar when going with a thumber or tomahawk sadly, as I know those Epics are in need.
Every single reviewer has had the same take. It wobbles and doesn't fly consistently from throw-to-throw and none of them have figured out its usage. I hate to say it, but this seems like Trash Panda finally released their first trash disc.
@seymourglass26 buy one and throw it. It's made to hold the smaller side, which alot of reviews they hold all sides, etc. I'm buying one and I bet I have a blast throwing it.
Ok I'll be the one who says it. Seems like a fail. Doesn't flip like an epic with tomahawks. Wobbles in flight making it inconsistent. No realistic use.
Yall are over thinking this disc (comments) all you have to do is get a sharpie and draw a cross on the bottom of the disc and you have 4 quadrants (slices of pie) to grip your fingers
Doesn't seem like any of the reviewers can figure this disc out, so I'm glad to hear about it from the maker's mouth.
And...sounds like it's just a gimmick. I missed any explanation of its usage or intention, since it's definitely not the overhand monster the Epic was.
@@seymourglass26 Not a gimmick. Thrown on hyzer, the disc will hold the hyzer with maybe a touch of flip up. It shows it's overstability when on hyzer. However, throw it on anny and the gyroscopic flight will hold the anny without burning over hard or panning out too much. The anny flight is the most unique of all the lines you can throw with this disc. There is definitely a use for this disc from the actual flight characteristics, not to mention the ability to customize your grip (front loaded, back loaded, thinner or wider rim grip location, etc).
It's very funny that all the other discs also approved on that date are from the company X-UFO
Eagle-Wigs for the Win!
@@Chris.Davies the best disc ever
I really need to try more Gateway stuff. Dave really seems like a great dude.
This disc is puzzling. I still haven't heard an explanation of the advantages (and disadvantages) of a variable rim width disc. Alan created the Epic because he wanted to maximize the wing width to increase the "speed" of the disc as much as possible. I'm assuming the operating principal here is that longer, slimmer objects have lower aerodynamic drag and can therefore fly faster for longer. The Epic seems to be designed in a way to maximize the rim width while still maintaining all other dimensional limitations set by the PDGA. Of course, this disc is made using recycled and recyclable plastic, which in itself is an admirable innovation, but if there aren't any advantages of designing a variable width disc, why use these resources to create the disc?
There was no maximum rim width when the Aerobe Epic was made. From what I remember when seeing disc in 2005 and on package said he used what was the Max rim width a person could hold comfortably in hand on skinny side. His skinny side was 2.5 cm or 25 mm according to PDGA with a 1 mm allowance for a molding error so when his disc was approved in 2004 26 mm became PDGA max as they did not want brands making a disc as wide as an Aerobe Epic on wide side all the way around rim as flex for a mold would be hard to grip. It was becuse of Aerobe Epic disc why a rim width of 15--16 speed or 26 mm was made as a max rim could be made. The few brands with a claim on a 17 speed disc had a high dome low profile disc.
In 2008 PDGA was mulling around in several meetings on adding a ruling for Disc Specs saying a 2 cm or 20 mm rim width and a 1 mm tolerance for manufacturing was going to be max because good amateur players and Pro players using discs like a Wraith, Destroyer, new Nuke, and T-Rex on distance were maxing out even some long holes like on USDGC the epic hole needing 450 feet of water carry for the just over 1,000 foot hole on hard route (now only route becuse of one side being OB) players were getting a par 3 on a par 5. Basically, for pro players a Valkyrie/Beast or Orc could just be in very light weights in special durable plastics that had just come out in 2008 for players and thrown very far by pro players on calmer days or make a disc beyond a Tilt or Bunker Buster OS in lightweights only as pro specific discs. fix was on PDGA National Tour and on PDGA National events to change par on courses I was still waiting for a 2 on some where a course had a 200 foot hole like the old Las Vegas Challenge a preseason Disc Golf Pro Tour event having one hole like this but way they fixed issue was to have a basket so tall on specific hole some players like Keith Emmerson needing a persons help getting discs out or going even higher having only the tallest players not having issues.
It's not so much about the distance potential. You can see the unique gyroscopic flight characteristics of the disc when throwing it on different angles. No disc flies like it, so it deserves to be made and thrown by people who will enjoy it.
Did I miss something? …Why? What’s the benefit of an epicyclic disc?
Because you can is the gist of it
Same!
@@Toby-asdf I'd say grip. If you want a 9-10 speed but the rim speed isn't comfort for you, you essentially have a 6 speed rim that flies like a 9-10
That was legit the most dope rollout campaign. 💯
Yoooooo Can't wait to throw it! I love the Ozone also!
I tomahawked mine 436 ft I’m stoked about it, so happy I got one before they sold out
The epic is made to be thrown overhand, as in thumber and tomahawk. Instead of flipping and going edge down, it flips over a bit more and glides forward. It can go so far!!
I love the epic, I throw it all the time because I throw a lot of tomahawks, and I can get it 450+ can’t wait to try this my buddy bought me one!
Post a pre-order on the website for the next batch
I blinked
Would love to pre-order the next batch
Dang Highlighter was immediately gone. I grabbed one in the interrogation beam, though. Love high vis discs.
I just picked up the interrogation beam color as well.
Is there any reason brands still make low-vis colors like brown & black for example
@@ryanpurdy9951 Some psychopaths rly just enjoy losing discs, haha. That said, some of the darker prints make rly nice art pieces or collector items.
@@slowbro1337 my ace discs and tournament discs are the only thing on display, but I do bag a black esp force and a dark purple big z Zeus that are such perfect flyers my game would be trash without them but have yet to find a similar run to replace them and they’re hard to see if they’re in shadows, the rest of the bag is hi-vis pink
@ryanpurdy9951 90% of my bag is filled with Westside discs in hi vis pink or yellow with some unique prints in other colors.
#3 is at Dillon. Awesome but gnarly course.
Ooh. I wanna play
I bought an ET Second in Midnight Protocol (Hemp). Also, a few days ago, I bought my first 2 Gateway Discs online.
Congratulations. Looking forward to hucking one.
Les go new vid
I love the idea of reducing the waste. Since I started playing, I've been trying to buy recycled plastic discs and the brand that puts the most effort into making them. I've already ordered mine and I can't wait to try it :)
It doesn't do epic tomahawk flights. It flies like a regular overstable disc when thrown like that. The epic does what it does because of the bending manipulation you can do to make it less stable while still maintaining torque resistance.
Shout out to the OG! Would have been a perfect place to play up the ET name right outside of JPL there.
Can't wait to try it!
Oak Grove and La Mirada rounds?? dang sad I wasn't out playing recently! I hope the courses treated ya kindly
I just got my first 2 Trashpanda discs and i love them i got the dune and ozone
Cool. What are the rim size speeds (14 to 31 vs ?) new one 12 to 6ish?
So the disc has a boomerang like “wobble” side to side in the air due to center of gravity being not in the center of the disc. Could you make the disc have non concentric but still equal weight distribution? Like maybe one side is a 7 speed but extra thick like a mid range. And it slowly transitions to driver on the other side?
So I would love to know exactly why Dave decided to have you release the disc as a Trash Panda disc instead of just through Gateway?
I wonder if having a different amounts of mass different distances from your hand could effectively change rotational inertia. Inertia of both of your throw/arm speed and of the discs rotation. Will that change possible throw speeds and/or disc rpms depending on where it’s gripped? Could that even change stability? I’m excited to try it out. Dave has done so much for disc golf in the STL area it’s insane. Gateway Discs should be a stop if you’re in the area.
Need to see the thumber!
My man Dave's a Phan!?! Gateway for life
Dig it!
Now to work epicyclic into everyday conversation
You were in California!! Soo bummed I couldn’t see you!!
Congratulations on the PDGA approval!
I purchased before i finished the vid lol
Same here
Same! One hemp one not! Field work here we come when they come in! 🙌🏼
I bought it before watching lol
Flight numbers?
& $ -@ %
Awesome!
If they make a tech disc with this… I wonder if you can tell the difference side to side in the data… Like, maybe people could find out their hand gets better rpm at a specific speed vs any other they throw, without buying multiple tech discs…
When are they coming back in stock?
can you make a 7inch disc??? pleaseeeee.
sick disc
Any chance we could see a collaboration like this except with Loft? I know you have worked together before, and I would love to at least see their molds made with your recycled materials.
Loft can't even fill the orders they have now for their kockstaryer campaign release
@@durtydan420 I know. I was part of that. But it is because they had major supply issues, hence my comment.
That could be an awesome collab for sure.
Just got my Neon and Titanium an hour ago, and I would love seeing the Neon and the Bohrium available in different plastics! The recent Baja Dune is really fantastic feeling plastic (though it's still a bit on the slick side)
can you use PLA in the molds? I'd love to send my spools that i cannot use to be remade into these!
But what's the point of the epicyclic rim??
To get tons of people to buy it because it is unique and different.
You know he's legit when he has a recycled plastic phone case. I have the same one!
why is this the 2nd Extraterrestrial?
Why the 2 at the end of the name?
How did you calculate the speed? Jessie you said the thinnest part of the rim is 1.7 cm which would equal out to a 6.8 speed;while the widest part of the rim is 2.4 cm which equals out to be about a 14 speed. How is the speed calculated?
(6.8 + 14) / 2 = 10.4 speed disc
Save me a nebula.
Yeah, but why? Like, what’s the advantage? I don’t get it.
Ok but do the hemp discs fly any different than the standard run!? 😬
I heard they fly a little higher
Why the 2 at the end of the name?
Set a reminder in my phone so I wouldn’t miss it!
Why is it named the ET II instead of just ET?
Best marketing on a disc so far. Just copped a Static Interference, can’t wait to try it out!
I believe in aliens and extraterestrial discs 👽
Trash panda Epic
Would have called it the Precession, tho.
I would have called it the Confusion, since nobody can figure out what it's for or how it should fly.
@@seymourglass26 Your vendetta against this disc is pretty clear, bud
@@jockofthebush Look up "vendetta" and try again. Or, hear me out, you could stop comment-stalking me, because that feels more like a vendetta as if I hurt you by not appreciating a piece of plastic.
@@seymourglass26 Spewing things like "seems like no one can figure out this disc" like you're entitled to an answer to that question, is moronic
That looks “epic”
Definitely not for people with OCD problem.... nice try!
Ok, your previous releases are really great discs (though I haven't thrown the fairway yet). But this one just doesn't make sense from a physics/aerodynamics sense. I feel like you got sold a lemon or something, and I feel bad saying this. A disc that wobbles is going to drag more. If the top of the wing (generating lift) is a point rotating around a lower point because it's out of balance, it will actually cause more wobble. This is just a start. Why... I just... dude sorry.
It is a great tomahawk or thumber disc from.what I've seen. And it seems to be fun to throw.
@@durtydan420 yes it does look fun to throw, but it will lack consistency on an actual round. If you add a variable to the physics, your just compounding the inconsistencies, especially when you add wind or poor technique like nose up to the equation. In one video it was used alongside the Epic, and it didn't fly similar when going with a thumber or tomahawk sadly, as I know those Epics are in need.
@cavitous9815 well, it is not shaped exactly like and epic, so why would someone think it would fly the exact same.
Every single reviewer has had the same take. It wobbles and doesn't fly consistently from throw-to-throw and none of them have figured out its usage. I hate to say it, but this seems like Trash Panda finally released their first trash disc.
@seymourglass26 buy one and throw it. It's made to hold the smaller side, which alot of reviews they hold all sides, etc. I'm buying one and I bet I have a blast throwing it.
3:00 - English is a very specific language indeed, Jessie: You are always shaken, and never shook.
It's pretty common in modern parlance to use shook in the way he did. Language is always evolving :)
Ok I'll be the one who says it. Seems like a fail. Doesn't flip like an epic with tomahawks. Wobbles in flight making it inconsistent. No realistic use.
I know you are proud of this disc, but its a flop of a release. Tossing it into the gimmick section of my rack.
Should have been a collab with Doomsday to be honest.
Yall are over thinking this disc (comments) all you have to do is get a sharpie and draw a cross on the bottom of the disc and you have 4 quadrants (slices of pie) to grip your fingers