The objective approach is appreciated. I don't have the skill to actually test this for racing but give 6" or 5.5" props in the rear a shot with 5" in the fron. May sound crazy at first but the strategy is the same. SX, wide rear, Z or step geometries all attempt to improve the effectiveness of the rear props. The biggest obvious issue will be the annoyances to roll performance....which the code today may account for. The other thing is weight distribution on the quad however that's a more so based on comfort with the setup.
don't you think putting bigger props in the rear would make the quad react slower? it's much hard for a motor to spin a 6" vs 5" prop. i'll be doing some testing this week and report in part 2 of this video
@@FlightClubFPV yes and no. Maybe the 5" in the front will pull up the slack enough to make it not all that noticeable. I would guess that in long sweeping turns, the 6" in the rear should feel really good and the quad should feel more like a snowboard tracking in a turn. However the roll response may be too weird in general to consider actually using full time.
some of my tightest flying was a quad with 7'' arms and 7'' props out back with 1900kv and 5'arms and 5'' props out front with 2450kv. the authority was a dream i called it the butterfly configuration
I actually have the mck xbee and the SX vs HX the SX is way more responsive and faster in a Stra8 line and corners which you can definitely see the difference. To me the HX feels like you need more higher rates.
....when running different props why still run identical motors? in nature you see different setups for speed and for agility. when racing tight courses a rabbit setup seems optimal in my test. I also tested with angeling(?) the motors inward up front and outward at the back to maximize grib. This strain of thought brings different motor sizes on the same quad into play since their roles are now more clearly defined.in freestyle, flying styles like inZane fpv's, should benefit a lot, but that dude's skills need no help what so ever, so these thoughts are for the rest of us :-)
Like I've been telling people for a year now (yup) - it's definitely an improvement, but it's a tiny one and only present in a few moves. Feels a touch more planted in negative AoA moves, by that I mean the back end is a tiny bit more stable so you can focus on pinning it out of Split-S, Powerloop, and Hairpins. It's one of those 2% improvements that add up, and it still comes with a ~10g weight penalty overall, but I feel it's worth it. Good to see Mike feels the same with, with the Neutron-R basically supporting that setup out of the box.
That was amazing Mike, thanks for confirming our assumptions on this matter. I have found the same results even with a 4s hyrbrid setup on my proton. I really look forward to the second video to see some clearer results. You're a legend!
8:55 Syringe appears fast flash. Bottom right on screen. I enjoyed learning about the different arm sizes used on a quad. Sounds intriguing. Makes sense about the propwash issue. Thank you for the demo and looking forward to seeing the next video update.
Great video, I have the Proton Skeleton with fin and love it. Was just talking last weekend at the track about doing this, interesting to see you doing this with no one better to test it with! Vanover is crazy fast! Syringe is at 8:55 bottom right corner.
As I am getting into the racing field I love watching all your videos! captainvanover can really make a drone scream hope one day to be almost as good. I really couldn't find the syringe but loved the video You really rock it .
Weird, I was actually testing this today! I've got a set of 5" X, 5" SX, and 6" X and for the Proton and I've been trying them out. Favourite so far is 6" true-X with 5" props. Quad feels super stable and under control. The 5SX /6X hybrid I didn't like very much, felt like... understeer? I was having a hard time getting my nose into the corner. I actually preferred the 5SX/5X hybrid, it's more subtle but it has a nice feel to it, like it's carving a little more.
8:55.00 I am trying 2206/2450kv BrotherHobby R4 in front and 2207/2550kv Emax LS on the rear with same kind of props. I havn't try to really compare it to normal all same motors though, lazy to swap the rear motors. I did this coz I want to relieve the rear motor work load. Notice that rear motors are hotter than front motors every flight. However, the quad I build with differ motor results in all 4 motors hotter than I used to. But it has higher ESC output(old quad use 25A and 20A ESC, new differ motors quad use 40A ESC). So I am doubting is the all motors getting hotter is due to the 40A ESC?
I've run two of the Minchan Hybrid frames (MCK and XBAir), I keep coming back to a plain old true X or a stretch though. There is a different feel on the roll axis and I also notice I tend to clip the back arms on gates a little more until I get used to it.
@@FlightClubFPV in my country you need to be 18+ to legally fly a drone over 250g(and the drone needs to have GPS), so I'll just hide my 5" at home, and that's also why in the upcoming long range footage on my channel (in about a week it'll be up) I'm using my 3" quad.
Did you ever do anymore testing on this Hybrid X configuration? What was the final conclusion and configuration? Better, worse, or same as stretch-x? Reason I'm asking is due to HGLRC Arrow 3inch hybrid now. Did you start a trend? 😁
abaut the hybrid conf. is like alex said that you have may practise and take time to learn how to take the full potential for this kind of hybrid setup but to be real i think just to change de diamitri of the quad it dont be make you faster i think its all abaut thw way you like that the quad respons and feels and how mutch potecial you can take out of your setups great job onthe Proton/neutron series i love this frames 💪
You can tell he’s way faster and more comfortable on the 5x5 over the 5x6... The only reason he was faster the first time was when you challenged him and he went 100% on the track.
I like the x or the stretch x on all my frames, I don't like a squashed x. Maybe a hybrid squashed x could help me get the flight feel I want and props out of view.
The hybrid config does look interesting but in bf the custom motor mix will maybe cause some efficiency and thrust loss, though it may corner better as the rear props seem to have cleaner air
If I had to guess it would be to get the rear props into cleaner air. When I look at blackbox data on a True X the rear motors are usually working a little harder than the front. The rear motors usually have like 5%-10% more throttle applied. By extending them a little farther to the rear this gets them away from the turbulence of the front props.
@@FlightClubFPV I have tried 5" props on 6" frames before and they fly really good. My current favorite quad I own is a custom 6" stretch X frame I built with 5" props. 6" stretch X puts the front and rear motors extra far from each other.
The objective approach is appreciated. I don't have the skill to actually test this for racing but give 6" or 5.5" props in the rear a shot with 5" in the fron. May sound crazy at first but the strategy is the same. SX, wide rear, Z or step geometries all attempt to improve the effectiveness of the rear props. The biggest obvious issue will be the annoyances to roll performance....which the code today may account for. The other thing is weight distribution on the quad however that's a more so based on comfort with the setup.
don't you think putting bigger props in the rear would make the quad react slower? it's much hard for a motor to spin a 6" vs 5" prop. i'll be doing some testing this week and report in part 2 of this video
@@FlightClubFPV yes and no. Maybe the 5" in the front will pull up the slack enough to make it not all that noticeable. I would guess that in long sweeping turns, the 6" in the rear should feel really good and the quad should feel more like a snowboard tracking in a turn. However the roll response may be too weird in general to consider actually using full time.
some of my tightest flying was a quad with 7'' arms and 7'' props out back with 1900kv and 5'arms and 5'' props out front with 2450kv. the authority was a dream i called it the butterfly configuration
I actually have the mck xbee and the SX vs HX the SX is way more responsive and faster in a Stra8 line and corners which you can definitely see the difference. To me the HX feels like you need more higher rates.
....when running different props why still run identical motors? in nature you see different setups for speed and for agility. when racing tight courses a rabbit setup seems optimal in my test. I also tested with angeling(?) the motors inward up front and outward at the back to maximize grib. This strain of thought brings different motor sizes on the same quad into play since their roles are now more clearly defined.in freestyle, flying styles like inZane fpv's, should benefit a lot, but that dude's skills need no help what so ever, so these thoughts are for the rest of us :-)
Like I've been telling people for a year now (yup) - it's definitely an improvement, but it's a tiny one and only present in a few moves. Feels a touch more planted in negative AoA moves, by that I mean the back end is a tiny bit more stable so you can focus on pinning it out of Split-S, Powerloop, and Hairpins. It's one of those 2% improvements that add up, and it still comes with a ~10g weight penalty overall, but I feel it's worth it.
Good to see Mike feels the same with, with the Neutron-R basically supporting that setup out of the box.
That was amazing Mike, thanks for confirming our assumptions on this matter.
I have found the same results even with a 4s hyrbrid setup on my proton. I really look forward to the second video to see some clearer results.
You're a legend!
i think i'm going to get 6" and 5.5" wide X cut for the neutron just to see
@@FlightClubFPV I would be curious to see the results on a Neutron as well!
22.31, I like the configuration, it makes a lot of sense. I haven't tried it yet though so I'm excited to do so
Nice setup he has there. It is good to help such a talent anyway possible to achieve the very best. The best of luck to him.
8:55 Syringe appears fast flash. Bottom right on screen. I enjoyed learning about the different arm sizes used on a quad. Sounds intriguing. Makes sense about the propwash issue. Thank you for the demo and looking forward to seeing the next video update.
8:54 in the corner.
The hybrid setup looks interesting 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Ive been testing this on my merrica build and can feel it turns much easier around corners. I cant wait to see more results of this, keep it up.
Watching now. I’ve been wanting to see some more hybrid frame reviews! Thanks! 8:55 bottom right of the screen
omg !!!! blown away by vanover's skills
Very interesting test ! Hope I get to try the Proton 😉
You're kicking ass with the latest series of videos Mike! Keep it up. Loving them.
thanks brother!
Can't wait to build mine,,, trying to be patient :)
Fantastic results, dude! Pretty impressive! 😃
Good video. The only thing I use is voltage in the on screen display. Life of a freestyle pilot....
Great video, I have the Proton Skeleton with fin and love it. Was just talking last weekend at the track about doing this, interesting to see you doing this with no one better to test it with! Vanover is crazy fast! Syringe is at 8:55 bottom right corner.
Great video! I also have both Proton Skeletons and Canopy versions.
The frame looks cool. Hope to try one.
Nice to see how the top pilots live and train.
literally eat, sleep and fly. you need a level of obsession to be one of the best in the world at anything
8:54 bottom right Haha I seen it pop up before the end of the video lol, vanober is a wizard, and flighclub is killer! Great work guys.
Very snappy and fast. That is awesome. Love the content brother!
thanks bro!
Nice to see how you guys pushing the hobby for faster results keep it up cheers 🍻
Impressive kkkk!! The biggest pilot of the world
Congrats Vanover
Damn that dude can RIP!!!! Cpt. Vanover is a beast!!!
8:54 on the right down courner. Great video
Holy Sheeez!!!
Excellent Vid..sick ripping!!
Always pushing the envelope!!
Flight Club just on top of the game!!
I wish I lived in a Hangar!!
i know right. we could all be vanover, ha
Great work as always!
Great video and congrats Christian
As I am getting into the racing field I love watching all your videos! captainvanover can really make a drone scream hope one day to be almost as good. I really couldn't find the syringe but loved the video You really rock it .
thank you! lots more videos coming
Great vid hybrid for the win
Great job Mike...I love my ProTon! It's 6" so...at first I thought it was on the grill by the stairs 8:54
Now we’re talkin. Great vid! Very informative
1:00 brilliant Mike!!! 😃😃
1m 33s amazing flight footage, interesting experiment
Awesome vid guys!!
great review as always 8:54
I like the fact that these tweaks are pushing the hobby forward.
yes, lots of tweaking to do in the coming weeks. i think i'll make 6" true x and 5.5 wide x for the neutron
+1👍 lmao, your antics are insane and i love it.
Grats C.F.!! Thanks Mike!! Wishing you perfect health!!
thanks brother!
Great giveaway! 8'54" (8:54)
You got it Christian I thought I saw something funny ! no copying answers guyz
You win
The syringe is on the barbecue grill next to the spatula at 1:33 (and for a while either side of that mark.
Thank you for usefull video n information👏🏻
Great video !
Awesome!
Weird, I was actually testing this today! I've got a set of 5" X, 5" SX, and 6" X and for the Proton and I've been trying them out. Favourite so far is 6" true-X with 5" props. Quad feels super stable and under control. The 5SX /6X hybrid I didn't like very much, felt like... understeer? I was having a hard time getting my nose into the corner. I actually preferred the 5SX/5X hybrid, it's more subtle but it has a nice feel to it, like it's carving a little more.
that's interesting. i'm going to cut some 6" x and some 5.5 or 5" wide x for the neutron for more testing
Cool video.
8:55.00 I am trying 2206/2450kv BrotherHobby R4 in front and 2207/2550kv Emax LS on the rear with same kind of props. I havn't try to really compare it to normal all same motors though, lazy to swap the rear motors.
I did this coz I want to relieve the rear motor work load. Notice that rear motors are hotter than front motors every flight. However, the quad I build with differ motor results in all 4 motors hotter than I used to. But it has higher ESC output(old quad use 25A and 20A ESC, new differ motors quad use 40A ESC). So I am doubting is the all motors getting hotter is due to the 40A ESC?
Beastmode!!!
1:36 on the bbq, good spot
I've run two of the Minchan Hybrid frames (MCK and XBAir), I keep coming back to a plain old true X or a stretch though. There is a different feel on the roll axis and I also notice I tend to clip the back arms on gates a little more until I get used to it.
yeah it makes sense. it's a bit wider than a SX
22:55
8:54 in the logo box!
8:54 in the box
Vanover is like the Sage who likes in a cave, constantly training and in possession of godlike abilities
yup, being 18 helps too :)
@@FlightClubFPV I'm 15 and I'm pretty bad
you need to move to an airport :)
@@FlightClubFPV in my country you need to be 18+ to legally fly a drone over 250g(and the drone needs to have GPS), so I'll just hide my 5" at home, and that's also why in the upcoming long range footage on my channel (in about a week it'll be up) I'm using my 3" quad.
8:54 in my righthand corner by the flightclub logo
this video was epic!
Thx
Hmmm now I'm curious, I'd like to try this hybrid setup
do it! all the fast pilots are doing it
Did you ever do anymore testing on this Hybrid X configuration? What was the final conclusion and configuration? Better, worse, or same as stretch-x? Reason I'm asking is due to HGLRC Arrow 3inch hybrid now. Did you start a trend? 😁
i've been flying nothing but hybrids, I feel like they fly better. Waiting on Vanover to do part 2 of the video. he's taking a little break
I am intrigued by this concept. Are you still running the same motors and props in the front and back or different?
1:36 on the grill in alex's hanger
Its very hard to tell but I think that's it.
no that's not it, I dunno what that is on the grill
abaut the hybrid conf. is like alex said that you have may practise and take time to learn how to take the full potential for this kind of hybrid setup but to be real i think just to change de diamitri of the quad it dont be make you faster i think its all abaut thw way you like that the quad respons and feels and how mutch potecial you can take out of your setups
great job onthe Proton/neutron series i love this frames 💪
maybe just for testing
to put ond the rear 6 - 5 - or 5.5 inch real X arms maybe tihs wil be make differences
yes, i'm getting some 6" arms cut for alex to test as well as some 5.5 wide x arms just to see
At 10:51 how did you get the drone to “backup” to get a better line? That was like some matrix shit lol
1:28-1:45 on the BBQ,, how would the quad act with 6" props (you might have to put smaller pitch props) on the 6" arms?
i think it would be worse. 6" props would react much slower. i'll try it this week
Interesting. I wonder if you can achieve that without flying x frames?
After he says that, that's the same pids that him & Min Chin fly! It's inn bottom right like 8:5?
Did the turtle mode and dshot actually work after the setup wizard in the video?
yes it works!
FlightClub cool, do you also get the the correct current draw on the osd? I can’t seem to get it working lol
looking for my fix!!
Man he’s fast like dam
That kid is fast! Hes not on drugs hes just a robot!
yup, a freak
8:54 bottom right, maybe I should run flight one!
not gonna lie, flightone has issues but once it's setup, it flies really good
You can tell he’s way faster and more comfortable on the 5x5 over the 5x6...
The only reason he was faster the first time was when you challenged him and he went 100% on the track.
yeah it may just need to be something he gets use to
1:32 grill behind the speedy
👍 👍 #Captainvanover2019
132 on the girll and 854 in the flight club logo
8:55 flashes the syringe
8:55 in the bottom right corner of the screen!
I like the x or the stretch x on all my frames, I don't like a squashed x. Maybe a hybrid squashed x could help me get the flight feel I want and props out of view.
i've got squashed x arms coming i'll be testing out with sx arms up front. interested to see how it will fly
Is posible to use the 20x20 flightOne components that Vannover uses in his frame on the Neutron?
yes, he has a Neutron with those parts.
Dang!! that boys good
champ for a reason
Nice frame
Hi Schnurr Fpv
8:55 bottom right hand corner!!!
I think it's at 9:33... Awesome vids
thanks!
@ 1:27/1:28ish its on the BBQ to the right of the stairs.
When are we getting the part 2
waiting on Vanover! i'll give him a push
9:35 on the floor, next to Alex Vanover
8:54 bottom right
I want Pro Ton!!
The hybrid config does look interesting but in bf the custom motor mix will maybe cause some efficiency and thrust loss, though it may corner better as the rear props seem to have cleaner air
He's a cyborg.. Thats why he fly's so good.. He is one with the quad. I figured this out because he always says ouch when he wrecks..LOL
I couldn't keep up watching him. I fly freestyle . There's no way I could do that shit.
he flies faster than i can process in my mind what he's doing
@@FlightClubFPV it's like a bullet with a mind of its own.
1'30" on grill's left platform
Should do a blind test.
for someone like me it would be hard to tell but alex would know instantly
Hybrid is good, it works....
1:36, left side of the grill
on 8:55 on de right down courner
Wow
Geprc mark3 , omw👍🏻
So will 6" x arms fit on the stock 5" neutron frame?
no, right now neutron 6" aren't available but i'm having some cut right now to test then i'll release them
Looked at the wrong number on the grill a minute 45
Niiiiice
miau miau miua
Hypothetically
Why did you use 6" true X for the rear rather than 5" true X?
If I had to guess it would be to get the rear props into cleaner air. When I look at blackbox data on a True X the rear motors are usually working a little harder than the front. The rear motors usually have like 5%-10% more throttle applied. By extending them a little farther to the rear this gets them away from the turbulence of the front props.
yup, I think that's the reason
@@FlightClubFPV I have tried 5" props on 6" frames before and they fly really good. My current favorite quad I own is a custom 6" stretch X frame I built with 5" props. 6" stretch X puts the front and rear motors extra far from each other.