@@ToastyChan-cw7ty Literally, the man didnt even show Reach gameplay XD, I've never disliked a video more quick than I just did. A negative community does not last
Glad you mentioned other creators' plummeting standards when it comes to accepting forge and community made content in place of fully polished dev content. Even the server browser has become optional to these guys "just join the discord bro" - no, the server browser should be IN THE GAME.
@@montgomeryfitzpatrick473 still too late. 1st impressions are important. I logged into the winter update day 3 and thought fofge was cool. But also frustrating that I have to exit my game. Search for discord, get on youtube, coordinate with random strangers, then hope the game will be fun. Server browsers arnt hard to create anymore. And I haven't logged in since over it. As usual with 343 the feature was a day late and a dollar short.
Considering how monetized they were in 5 I'm shocked they haven't been brought back to fill up battlepasses. Huge blunder on 343 co suffering they are trying to incentivize these purchases.
Pls no assassinations pls no. They are super cool but IMO custom games is gonna be filled with these shitty “assassination only” lobbies, which is gonna kill off creativity just like what happened to halo 5. IMO assassinations should be the last thing they should to this game.
Finally glad someone’s talking about firefight. It’s seems like 343 and the community has forgotten it for the most part. It was always my favorite part of Halo matchmaking 😢
Less than 1% would play something like that. It was great back in the day because internet sucked and we could be offline for days so it was ok for then. But now? Why would i want to play a pve mode? Lol. Play the trash cod zombies
FR tho the copium levels with this game are out of this world. Its like the dogecoin subreddit but its the fu cking halo community. Its beyond embarrassing.
@@Hypnostedon No, it’s nice to have characters of different sizes and shapes with different hit boxes. It’s not a hugely significant detail, but if they did it in Halo 3, how hard would it be to do it here? These little things start adding up to affect the playing the experience. It just makes you scratch your head
@@Hypnostedonit’s literally the most beloved addition in the franchise go say that in the halo fandom instead of videos that are telling the truth of a dying game and you’ll be crucified for that opinion lmao
You ripped the rose tinted glasses off my face and made me see. Thank you, I was about to let this pass because of the MCC mod tools but this is completely unacceptable.
I am so happy someone finally said all this shit. I’m a long time Halo fan but I’m not a Halo shill. The few things they added lately is still too little too late. The game still feels lifeless. The customs browser is bugged, campaign co-op has countless issues, theater is broken, customs is broken, etc. All of this shit was put on the back burner to implement a shitty in game store. Forge is cool and all but the maps still look like Megabloks. Mintblitz was just shilling over some map a guy made that he said looked “like a developer map” when in reality the lighting and coloration of everything made in Forge looks like fisher price toy blocks sets. Him and all the other Halo TH-camrs lost my respect when they’re obviously being incentivized to promote the game.
I don’t think most people thought it would save Halo Infinite in general, but just save it for the people already playing it…which it kind of has. The game was an absolute barren desert all year, so to finally have new maps to play on and make (even if it’s just in customs) added much needed fun to the experience for players already playing, and inspired some hope for the next coming months on potential community maps added to matchmaking
@@keiz5052 respectfully I think it's completely necessary. 4, 5, mcc, and infinite. Thats over a decade of polarizing at best, to broken and barren at worst. It's a joke of a franchise at this point
And yet the game still only averages 4k players on Steam and is at 19th place on Xbox's Most Played Games list (behind games like Red Dead 2, ARK, and last year's Madden...)
So many people saying forge saved infinite but that’s just a top layer to mask the issues that have yet to be fully addressed. The fact forge is still in a beta stage says a lot. The game itself is more of a beta than a complete game. Thank you for actually talking about a topic that does need to be said
I have not touched forge since I have no one to play it with nor do I want to play it with, its so stupid, i dont see the point of forge I want to play team slayer and ranked only
One of the things that surprised me is how bad the ui and learning curve is on infinite's forge. They didn't bother to import the historical blocks from reach, which would've been a help. No grid visualizations, and changing an object's appearance is really a mess. It's like going through vmts in source engine, but you don't get preview images in a scrolling column like usual. Coloring also seems to be tied to the base texture and there isnt enough blending modes. I really liked to forge in reach and 3, but i didnt make anything before uninstalling infinite to make space for other games.
YOU ARE EXACTLY WHAT TRUE HALO FANS NEED - Finally someone with a freaking spine. Nice video. Now let’s all unite. You said something needs to change… your last words. Let me purpose what the community should do. STARTING JAN 1 2023. For one full month ,everyone needs to not buy anything from their stupid shop. Let’s freeze 343 out until they put 4 things into the game. 1) a proper rank system(visible number) 2) a community map playlist. 3) fix major d-sync issues. 4) at least 3 new maps for slayer playlist. STOP BUYING THINGS FROM 343… then they will be forced to listen. And I actually think, if they listen and give us the above 4 fixes within 1 month….the community should agree to buy 500 credits the following month. Boycott 343 NOW before it’s really too late.
@@minilla2382 And that is how we got here in the first place. Crap games because "Let them do what they want". How about we point and laugh at them for paying for shit that used to be free.
THAAAAAAANK YOUUUUUUUU! i commented on one of MintBitch's video about how "grafting on forge mode wont save the unstable garbage base game" just about everyone on there was coping and REEEEEE'ing and everytime someone did ... ol' Minty highlighted their comment lol i spoke the truth and they hated it
@@sulwhale3171 i barely watch halo content at all now, but i sure as sht remember youtubers like him & their whiplash inducing rhetoric toward infinite. He *is* a shill, if you cant see that rip
@@sulwhale3171 Where is Sean W's hate? All I've seen is copium from him. Can't uninstall the game despite how bad it is. Act Man actually nutted up and uninstalled Infinite, Sean W has done nothing but store footage and shill the base game.
Forge didn't exactly save this game, but forge in conjunction with progression updates, dysync being fixed, and a server browser coming to the game saved Halo Infinite, atleast for me
That sentence was the biggest bullshit in this video, and then he says it’s the reason people are using the halo 3 version in TH-cam thumbnails…EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE THAT FOR EVERY. SINGLE. GAME
When I played the Halo 5 Beta I said to myself "Yeah this just ain't it man" and I never gave into the hype again for Halo by 343. I never even gave a thought to Halo Infinite when they said it would be free to play.. I feel sorry for those who gave into the hype thinking it was gonna be another Halo title when in reality it was just some very expensive rip off... whenever it's mentioned how much money is being spent on a project whether its a movie or game I just know it's gonna be a fail. I love Mint Blitz content but you nailed it on the head in this video, I'd rather play/watch content from modded Halo 3 than anything 343 has to offer.
To be fair Halo 5's beta WAS bare bones, have you actually tried Halo 5 recently? Like try and make a custom game with your preferred settings, maybe give the weapon variants a go.
The part with master guns 😅 love it. Sass is well deserved to. The whole game looks bad tho, the textures, lighting, even the menu all looks flat and fake.
THANK YOU! Finally a video where some sane person recognizes that this game still needs work. Alot of work. This forge mode isnt even finished. INFECTION ISNT EVEN OUT. I'm tried of seeing tons of videos about "Halo saved by forge" "Forge is the 117 to infinite" " 343 did something right" Like bro make other content. They've stayed on halo so much that every news they get they instantly over hype it
I agree, I felt the same way when I played this day one. Halo infinite missed so much potential and it's sad to say. I feel MCC really takes the cake in terms of content and the amount of cool modded maps compared to halo infinite's limited forge.
Imagine how well the community would treat Halo 5 if it got a Steam port. I think the community has done more to mitigate the damage to Halo than 343 could ever hope to do.
@@megaman37456 Yeah, I can agree to that. But it's also the people behind the business aspect of modern gaming that encourages poor monetization schemes that most (Not all) people buy into. It probably won't ever change because so many people don't understand the value or don't care what goes into a $60 video game that you should receive as the end user when you buy something a bit pricey. People are too settling to pay for any price to a degree that causes more harm than good to modern gaming as a whole.
FACTS! When Businesses realize their money isn't coming in like it use to only then will they drip feed people the stuff they need to keep throwing money at what they "Love" don't let your emotions or nostalgia control you, i hate telling you what to do but these greedy ass businesses and corporations really don't give a fuck about us anymore and prolly never did that isn't to say hate video games just try and think where your money's going
Saying very blanket statements like "building off a game with broken foundations" doesn't help discourse or discussion. Providing constructive feedback rather than another #company bad video is more productive and helpful overall. Venting general frustrations like this seems more like a child crying than an adult genuinely trying to help or make a genuine change to something. Relating to Far Cry's Editor, sure the first one was more user friendly like you pointed out, just like H3's forge, but to someone onboarding in an editor such as Far Cry 5's or 4's it's less user friendly to a substantial amount in comparison to Forge. Going from Halo's Forge to Far Cry was something that felt more like a job when I did it seeing as the tools have very different goals. Far Cry is definitely easier to create terrain based environments on but Halo is significantly easier to create custom designed locations that aren't just Terrain. This Forge does allow for plenty of Dev-Quality maps, look at Solution or other maps that aren't featured by Mint-Blits. They take time, sure, but it's possible with this tool. I agree that Mint exaggerates a lot, that's why I stopped following him if I'm being honest. I can also tell you haven't messed with the Forge tool that much, as calling this budget small by any means is insanely ignorant. With this budget and the tools that are available to us for optimization we can make dev-quality maps without making consolidations with budget constraints. Relating the snippet you said relating to what Cliff was talking about, that's completely out of context, Cliff was specifically showing off some stuff with scaling you could do for art, that has nothing to do with the general design process of the map's Layout. While theme was thought of back in the day of Bungie it was still not present in the block out state. I know a lot of what I said here probably won't matter to you, but thought I'd at least put my 2cents so it isn't an echo chamber of blind agreement
Finally someone talking sense, so many people making videos about forge somehow saving Infinite 12 months after it dropped. But as you state, the lack of a custom game browser with the release is fundamentally broken, not to mention the plethora of other broken or absent features. Sure it’ll bring some back as some sort of middle act rally point but by and large the damage is well and truely done. It’s too little too late on 343’s part.
you say lack of customs browser, which is now complete bogus because of the shadow drop. If you said it was broken, but you just said it was not there.
@@zmawells You're just talking pedantic shit though as well. Customs didnt even dent the games population.... No an extra 2K players in peak time doesnt mean fu cking anything when CSGO consistently bolsters over 400 thousand people at ANY GIVEN TIME even when its "dying"...... The writing has been on the wall for a year straight, eventually you casuals all come full circle and work it out. Until then i suggest you keep quiet.
Yes the game is still in a rough place, and we’ll keep letting 343 know. But we have to learn to have gratitude for what we do have. Also: there are waterfalls and bodies of water in Halo Infinite’s campaign.
Forge alone did not save this game the custom browser just might. And this is coming from a person who hasn't played Halo infinite in 4 months and was not looking to play it anytime in the future unless they fix certain problems. Some of those problems such as forced cross play still exists but the custom browser and forge I tried it out this morning and it was pretty fun.
If it was going to save the game you would have seen a 200k player peak on steam on customs launch. And yet we still dip BELOW 2k players outside of NA hours every single day of the year. It will not and has not saved the game. Im sorry. Eventually you just need to accept it.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother Custom game browser didn't even help a little either, still below 10k Hell it's just below 5k regularly. People who think Halo Infinite is any kind of good game are deluding themselves.
The editing on this video is 🔥. The first 5 minutes are really excellent. Regarding the reaction from some people on TH-cam I put this down to overexcitement at having new content rather than a deliberate attempt to hoodwink anyone for clicks. But maybe I'm naive to think that. Forge was never going to "save" this game. What does that even mean at this stage. Forge is for the fans who have stuck around and nothing more. The only thing that saves this game is mainline, dev made content, backed by a progression system and rewards which don't rely on fomo or other microtransactions practices
even if they are clickbaiting, can you blame them? most of these channels get most of their views by covering halo content, and with the game in the state that it is, i dont think theres an issue with them trying to capitalize on what little information they get
What's embarrassing is 343 stans now saying this game is a home run. The game should have shipped with forge, it's taken nearly a year to address desync. A broken clock is right twice a day.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who disapproves this forge. My main problem with it is how confusing the controls are. It’s like devs purposeful make everything about this game counterintuitive. From forge , the menus, theater mode, social functions. It’s really frustrating.
Corporations and businesses are not our friends and we owe them nothing. There's no progression system Fomo Broken cosmetics Unethical cosmetics Crashes Heavily lacking content Disappearing content Broken challenge system
Glad I ran into this video before I reinstalled Infinite since everyone was pushing the “Forge brought infinite back!” shenanigans. Thank you for the brutally honest take, earned a new sub.
I think a lot of what you’re saying is fair, but I’ve been loving the community browser and forge maps. It’s been a lot of fun, even though there’s a ton of problems with Infinite.
I dont know wether its denial, or nostalgia for the old days, but somehow these youtubers/players have fooled themselves into thinking infinite is a good game. That said, I have shared your opinion since before launch. As soon as I saw the gameplay trailer I knew something was off.
This is the first guy I can actually relate to, all my buddies keep telling me that halo has been revived…it hasn’t. If I want to play halo, I’ll stick to MCC.
There’s a fair amount of points in this video that i agree with and a fair amount that i disagree with a lot. A majority of his points relating to performance are obsolete given the improvements of the winter drop pod update that made huge improvements toward desync. A new map out of the blue, A CUSTOM GAMES BROWSER, making the new cores free and adding base colors. Before the winter update i hated the game, but after forge i started playing more and after the drop pod i find myself playing almost everyday. But I entirely agree with the forge comments as well as assassinations (sorta). Forge seems to have great potential with stunning community content but the dependence on the community to provide content isn’t a good crutch to vouch for. 343’s inability to provide good environmental physics is not something to look over which these halo content creators do a lot. I can understand that they might be excited and milk the good news to keep their player base engaged with them but it ends up blinding the community to problems that need attention. For assassinations, I was disappointed that they weren’t in the base game at launch but noticing desync as well as the movement in the game, part of me doesn’t really care about them being in the game. I guess the game needs to fix movement bugs before they can really get going on assassinations.
Nice vid but @ 11:50 you bring up the forge monitor clipping through the terrain but no clip was a requested feature for forgers. In play mode you don't clip through that plane.
After watching the whole video I’ve concluded that this dumbass was constantly over exaggerating everything to make it sound much worse than it actually is
I'm 100% with you on the overhyped forge maps. Most look great but things like being forced into making a water-like substitutes is just sad. Ontop of that, Forge's interface is ridiculously complicated. This deserves a sub.
If the forge interface was simple than you wouldn’t know how to use most features, and if you removed all those extra features than it would just be halo reach basic editing. Also 343 industries has already mentioned that they plan to add water volumes for forge later, and that the reason a lot of stuff is missing is because they released forge earlier than they wanted to because players demanded it come sooner or they’d stop playing. Also, there are so many features that people are complaining about forge missing (like water volumes and campaign AI) that simply put, have NEVER been in forge before so you should be happy that they are coming soon even if they aren’t here now
@@boopjackrex7598 Rushed content, being released earlier than planned seems to be the only thing they're consistent at. Whatever their plan is, my patience won't last forever.
@@Misty25939 rushed content because the community was getting fed up with waiting, it’s not like you could have done anything differently to change the outcome. Either they wait extra long while finishing it and risk losing the player base because no one has enough patience or they rush it out and finish it as user get to test it out and get complaints from people who won’t touch the new content anyway
actually its complicated cuz basically forge is a dev tool for programming, and the maps are pretty good, im not defending 343 they have made an awful job ngl but forge is the only good thing alongside the mid campaign, definitely forge in infinite is a dev map maker and its pretty good
Idk it revitalized it for me. I started playing again with a group of friends and enjoying forge. March comes out with custom browser and I guarantee I’ll be playing more when it comes out. But halo does need to do a better job. I still think it’s a good game. I’ve even stopped playing call of duty to come back to this. But I guess if you don’t have friends to play with that would make it boring still
I am gald that this opinion is dying off, I have been wanting to people to hop on this fun game since day one and now people are finally warming up to it, while the vapid sea of people who just wanna hate everything they can about the game is getting a bit smaller. Been enjoying it since day one, frustrated with a lot of its problems but never stopped enjoying it and forge is amazing, and you say you dont wanna downplay it or the peoples work but you really are. Mind you, I have built a map utilizing the entire surface area of one of the forge maps before reaching its limit. There is a hell of a lot you can do with this tool, and you have to consider the past as well, I know what you mean about "wow this basic ass map used 40 percent of the budget" but this is not only better then forge in past instalments, it is leaps and bounds better. I am having a really hard time thinking of any game that has provided a better map making tool that is also available on console without mods. Maybe dreams? That game on PS4 entirely built around the idea of making maps and games? That's about all I got. I dont even want to get into the pointless rant about water you went on for a little too long. Just simply if you dont like the game and what its doing, you dont. We are all down for hearing criticism but not down for hearing about how the game is dead and blah blah. I much prefer latenightgamings take on these things, he knows that not everything is great, and that not one little thing will come and save it, and forge has not saved the game so to speak, but its the right direction and the future is bright. What will help the game more then anything is a bit more of a positive attitude and getting more people turned on to playing this game. I couldn't imagine what it wouldve been like playing no mans sky and having a community of people hating on the game and spreading ill will, that game only found its success with the backbone of a loving group of fans. 343 is taking their sweet ass time, its been a year now and it isnt where I thought it would be, but I only see it getting better at the very least. Seriously though, if this isnt what you want then the franchise is dead to you, move on. Battlefield ended up not being the game I wanted after Battlefield 4, and instead of pissing and moaning about it I just realized it kinda sucks now and went to greener pastures and kept playing the old ones I liked. Why is it not okay to just do that and let the fans enjoy their product, no matter if you think its the wrong opinion or not. I get maybe your more so just mad at the devs but you did start this argument with not understanding why fans and content creators are suddenly liking this game again. I am sorry we are enjoying something. Go find something you enjoy to. Damn I had to come back and say more at the end because you said something dumb that I didnt even catch at first. 10:23 What the hell do you even mean?...Yeah I suppose if you just go in and start slapping stuff together there is no planning and floor designing and concept art and all that jazz, but thats just about how much you want to put into it. The tool is welcome to both ameture design and professional, I have in fact whipped out some graph paper to sketch out and design a map and make concepts and planning to really get a maps flow and design down. And that was on Halo Reach, so you better believe I would do that for infinite as well. And I would be willing to bet that if the devs are using this tool they are doing the same thing, and I would be willing to bet that people making maps that end up becoming good enough quality for a real multiplayer map also had a design and planning phase to make it come together. I have been trying to avoid saying anything that is just provoking an angry argument but when you brought that up I just dont know what to say other then I dont really think you know what you're talking about in some of this.
Agree 100%, sorry for so many comments just commenting as I watch...I mean really no map testing and it shows. Even some of the forge maps in Halo 3 MCC you can tell they didn't really test those they don't flow well at all, same thing with H2A. I actually loved H2A but it doesn't have enough dev maps and the forge maps flow is horrendous. The lack of BTB dev maps in Halo 5 was disgusting. Like you said unprofessional and lazy.
Thankyou for saying what the rest of us with any semblance of intelligence have been saying since before launch. It just sucks that it took some of the casuals 8+ months to finally come full circle and realise what we were talking about in the beta phases. I did guarantee them it would happen though, and god damn does UTTER VINDICATION taste amazing. Ive been living in a "told you so moment" for MONTHS regarding this dogwater game.
not really, custom game browser still barely works for most people, if and when you load in to a game you get maybe 10 minutes of fun then gotta wait about 7 to get into another game
I love the amount of people who don't even bother to listen what you have to say about this games issues, and instead defend a company whose blatant flaws are present in this video but are blind by the people who are trying to convince themselves that this company is doing halo justice right now. And with that aside, the effort you put in getting your points across in this video is rock solid. Awesome video, and engaging to watch!
@@Hypnostedon I didn't say you were. And if you enjoy Halo Infinite right now, good on you. But the point is, there are a different group of people in the debate who are praising 343 for doing minor stuff that either should've been at launch or stuff that has been done decades ago, while not implementing staples of the Halo franchise or prioritizing in bigger issues that shouldn't even be a problem. Like, Halo Infinite is capable of doing a lot of things, but 343 are too busy implementing experimental gamemodes that would only be fun for a month then become stale because of lack of originality or just flat out not as fun as other gamemodes in the Halo series, and not prioritizing in proper map management, servers being buggy, or even proper physics at all. This needs to change, as 343 are too lazy to carry Halo on it's back, yet fails to even comprehend simple reasons of our criticisms and move on with their battle pass system.
Finally. Someone who is as angry as me about it, and not shilling for mummy 343 who just gave us some milk after starving us for 6 years. I used to forge since halo 3, and whilst this forge is easily the most powerful, its really screwed the average forger over. Ok, we can do more complex stuff. Cool. But it is such a hassle to do more basic stuff now. I miss having a premade forge canvas to explore and work with, and developer structures to quickly piece bits together rather than making every block from scratch. It seriously takes 3x as long to make a simple building now than it did before because of all the extra micromanagement you must do (each axis size, 2-3 material types, colours, etc). I used to be able to make an elevator or door in Halo 5 using a simple script - now I have to mess with the node graph for god knows how long. And theres ZERO turorials for any of these features. And it still crashes. And still bugs out moving multiple objects and physics pieces. And no good canvases, or decent terrain editor to back it up. And budget is still garbage. THANK YOU SIR, Far Cry(s) had an outstanding editor, something infinite could learn from.
1:47 yikes that looks like shit....the people saying Forge rivals dev tools I mean...damn dude get your eyes checked! Granted Forge is very advanced compared to say Halo Reach but as I said in my own video that was over 10 years ago...we should see more advancements than this! In 2003 a game I love (one of the first games I ever played) Delta Force Black Hawk Down had a level editor that did allow you to create official like maps for multiplayer AND singleplayer...yes WITH AI. There are videos on youtube of full custom campaigns made in that game's level editor that are nearly indistinguishable from the dev made levels.
It doesn't mean EVERY forge map will look amazing. That is all up to the person making it. I've seen some amazing stuff. Plus, they're looking into making AI into forge.
for real too, you would think me with a good pc and a long history with halo, would feel even a slight pull towards infinite, but i don't, there is nothing for me there
It went exactly like I thought: Forge was hyped up for 2 weeks to a month then died quietly, same with custom browser. Infinite has no more aces left, 343, drop the axe and move on, use this as a learning experience, drop the slipspace engine, and until you can design a fully functional game day 1 with ALL of the base Halo staples DAY 1, free of microtransactions, you need to keep your ambitions in check. It's fine to be ambitious, but god damn 343 you literally let your ambition run the show this time around and it cost you big. EDIT: After watching the video you earned a sub for being the only smart Halo content creator I've seen covering the winter update.
The custom games browser is here! Basic colors where given to all armor cores and all armor cores where given to players! You can’t deny this game is moving the correct direction
A gamemode that requires discord to play in which to be honest 90% of the player base will not bother to get on wouldn’t save Halo Infinite. Not adding custom game matchmaking made adding forge pointless. Most of friends straight up refused to get on discord to find games and I don’t blame them, we all went on to play other games and I haven’t looked back since.
First off, I agree with many things you said. However, saying forge didn't save infinite less than a month after launch is silly... I'm not sure that anyone was expecting that to happen overnight. Giving forgers a couple more months to get used to the tools coupled with a ccb launch in March absolutely still has potential to supply the community with a plethora of high-quality content. I don't bitch at my car for not instantly getting me to my destination when all I've done is start the engine. Also... you don't seem particularly knowledgable enough about this version of forge to be trashing it to this extent- left out some key details and got others blatantly wrong. Anyway, this video was less about forge and more about trashing 343, something we've all seen hundreds of times. Give it some time my guy
What exactly do you think will happen? The thousands who walked away from the garbage game will suddenly return because of some cool custom maps? That was never the main draw of Halo. The game itself needs to be good. And it isn't (which is why player numbers are low) and the point is Forge hasn't changed that much at all.
There is some good crticism, 343 CANNOT substitute developer made maps with forge maps, we need good looking maps that play well, but Forge itself is in no way a disappointment, the level of detail with which you can construct your map is groundbreaking, and even though Far Cry's map builder looks cool and lets you build ground more easily, I don't think it can do more than 1% of what forge does now, the budget isn't nearly as small as suggested in the video, and the visual quality of the map can be really high (look at Oriole District by OmniPaimon for example), and the custom game browser just came out too. Forge IS gonna bring a real boost to this game in the coming months, and I'm going as far as to say I would actually commend 343 for bringing a couple of good looking open BTB maps in the horrendous map roster for that mode while we wait for developer maps.
@@durandol yeah it's very likely 343 will implement some forge made maps into matchmaking, but the forge has better visual quality now and I hope they will also take the beauty and detail of the map into account while prioritizing playability of course.
@@edvard8449 I mean, they’ve literally said that they’re playtesting forge maps right now to see if they need any tweaks, and they’ll ship them on into matchmaking.
Absolutely on point! Halo needs a new developer that really cares about the Franchise and understands what works and improve on it! I'm sure a lot of Fans that love Halo and Understand it are Game developers or are involved in the industry, but somehow Microsoft and 343 don't Hire people that care and love their craft.
The custom games browser had been released in todays update along with some fixes relating to desync. One thing forgers in the private beta were able to is use dev assets such as plants , objects and building to make their maps more beautiful which the release version of forge does not have. They have announced that their future plans include to add campaign AI to forge and allow people to use assets from the dev made maps such as skyboxes and that giant death laser from Breaker. As for assasinations while looking cool were janky and honestly slowed down combat. Also forge allows your do more with individual assets such as changing their physics behavior and welding objects together, it also has a much diverse set of assets to play around with in forge.
1. They can add whatever they want it it still won’t fix the broken foundation. The game is still extremely unstable, these cool new modes barely work correctly because of the lag and dis functionality 2. Assassinations in halo we’re never janky. You can argue for it slowing down combat sure, the the animations always were always smooth and the camera always seamlessly came in and out of third person. Games like Apex, cod, and bf2042 assassinations are janky, not halo
And it has been for like 6+ months. Basically as soon as they lost the 200k steam players it was over. Whether people have the balls to admit it or not.
Agreed, i appreciate the realistic point of view. Any positive regarding this game is always at the expense of accuracy. Everyone has settled and thus the bar is being compared to a very low standard. The game failed the second it released. There was no chance of redemption in todays gaming community. You either hit it at the start or you lose the momentum and never regain it again. The game is suspended by loyal long time customers. There are virtually zero first time / new consumers playing this game. They wouldn’t stick around for forge/custom games/ social because they never new what it was to begin with. What they say their first time playing was a broken cyberpunk v2 release which was quickly tossed to the side, because at least this time they didn’t have to pay for the garbage.
You still can’t even save maps and game modes. It gives you the option but half the time the game won’t even let you do certain things that are in the game. Like edit a setting to a custom game file. And again you can’t save already made maps and custom games. Half the time you can’t even load into any of the customs browser lobby’s. You’ll sit at a loading screen for 5 minutes and then find out that the game either ended already or just straight up kicked you. It’s disgusting that this is considered a finished game, even with forge.
Some good points in this video. The biggest thing holding back Forge at the moment is its dearth of canvasses, its atrocious terrain options, and its lack of proper atmospherics like water. If they fix that then this Forge would be golden. Then they'd just need to make the game actually fun to enjoy the creations.
First off, have to say, 117 dislikes. Dang. Second off, THANK YOU!!! Was so sick and tired of every major Halo TH-camr saying "FoRgE wIlL sAvE uS!1!" when the same shitty issues with the game are still here and aren't any closer to going away than they were a year ago. THANK YOU for bringing some ACTUAL honesty and criticism rather than blind positivity! As I've stated on multiple other channels such as Sean W, Halo Follower, KevinKool, blindly saying positive things about a game, in cases exactly such as these, is often times worse than providing overwhelmingly negative yet honest comments. "Rtas... The Prophets have betrayed us!" -The Arbiter, Halo 2
I dont think microsoft actually has much oversight. Halo has been flopping since halo 4. Like I dont think Microsoft would just allow the game to flop for a decade. I feel like they just throw some comments 343s way and leaves them to their own devices.
Definition of an off topic rant - alot of frustrations, but some key points I think.
They just released CGB and fixed a couple of desync issues. Your just hating on this game bro you a bum.
numbers steady rising, custom content browser added , jaded opinion... this video didnt age well and its only been 12 days
@@ToastyChan-cw7ty customs is out early because of this video.
@@ToastyChan-cw7ty Literally, the man didnt even show Reach gameplay XD, I've never disliked a video more quick than I just did. A negative community does not last
@@itsdw2323 Wow you really think highly of yourself, the video hardly even has more then 9k views. I hope you are being coy on this comment.
Glad you mentioned other creators' plummeting standards when it comes to accepting forge and community made content in place of fully polished dev content. Even the server browser has become optional to these guys "just join the discord bro" - no, the server browser should be IN THE GAME.
its in the game now
They put it in the day you left this comment
@@montgomeryfitzpatrick473 still too late. 1st impressions are important. I logged into the winter update day 3 and thought fofge was cool. But also frustrating that I have to exit my game. Search for discord, get on youtube, coordinate with random strangers, then hope the game will be fun. Server browsers arnt hard to create anymore. And I haven't logged in since over it. As usual with 343 the feature was a day late and a dollar short.
@@xenosayain1506shut up nerd
@@xenosayain1506 mate I swear to god did bungie have custom game browser ? Did they I don’t remember if they did
This is the first guy I’ve heard actually mention assassinations, and I’m glad I finally found a creator that feels the same way (Besides Taquin)
BIG SAME
@@Tone_Of_Dials not sure, I’ll look
Considering how monetized they were in 5 I'm shocked they haven't been brought back to fill up battlepasses. Huge blunder on 343 co suffering they are trying to incentivize these purchases.
Pls no assassinations pls no. They are super cool but IMO custom games is gonna be filled with these shitty “assassination only” lobbies, which is gonna kill off creativity just like what happened to halo 5. IMO assassinations should be the last thing they should to this game.
@@maherkhaznaei2962 that’s a good argument
Finally glad someone’s talking about firefight. It’s seems like 343 and the community has forgotten it for the most part. It was always my favorite part of Halo matchmaking 😢
MCC is that shoulder to cry on
@@chrisa8863 I actually hate reach/odst firefight so that doesn’t work for me 😭
literally fucking nobody has forgotten firefight, everybody in the community really wants it
@@johnsoapmactavish9196 what? Then which firefight you like?
Less than 1% would play something like that. It was great back in the day because internet sucked and we could be offline for days so it was ok for then. But now? Why would i want to play a pve mode? Lol. Play the trash cod zombies
The amount of copium around this game is insane. I really wanted it to be good, but I gave up that hope after 3 weeks.
FR tho the copium levels with this game are out of this world.
Its like the dogecoin subreddit but its the fu cking halo community. Its beyond embarrassing.
Cool for you. I fuckin enjoy every minute of it
I will not forget Playable Elites
Thank god i did. It was pointless and useless
@@Hypnostedon No, it’s nice to have characters of different sizes and shapes with different hit boxes. It’s not a hugely significant detail, but if they did it in Halo 3, how hard would it be to do it here? These little things start adding up to affect the playing the experience. It just makes you scratch your head
@@Hypnostedonit’s literally the most beloved addition in the franchise go say that in the halo fandom instead of videos that are telling the truth of a dying game and you’ll be crucified for that opinion lmao
You ripped the rose tinted glasses off my face and made me see. Thank you, I was about to let this pass because of the MCC mod tools but this is completely unacceptable.
never fall for the bait dude
I am so happy someone finally said all this shit. I’m a long time Halo fan but I’m not a Halo shill. The few things they added lately is still too little too late. The game still feels lifeless. The customs browser is bugged, campaign co-op has countless issues, theater is broken, customs is broken, etc. All of this shit was put on the back burner to implement a shitty in game store. Forge is cool and all but the maps still look like Megabloks. Mintblitz was just shilling over some map a guy made that he said looked “like a developer map” when in reality the lighting and coloration of everything made in Forge looks like fisher price toy blocks sets. Him and all the other Halo TH-camrs lost my respect when they’re obviously being incentivized to promote the game.
I don’t think most people thought it would save Halo Infinite in general, but just save it for the people already playing it…which it kind of has. The game was an absolute barren desert all year, so to finally have new maps to play on and make (even if it’s just in customs) added much needed fun to the experience for players already playing, and inspired some hope for the next coming months on potential community maps added to matchmaking
Thank you for stating your opinion in a logical and respectful way unlike some other people here
@@johnsoapmactavish9196 The ‘Fire343’ bullshit really went to their heads. It’s so venomous.
@@keiz5052 facts
@@keiz5052 respectfully I think it's completely necessary. 4, 5, mcc, and infinite. Thats over a decade of polarizing at best, to broken and barren at worst. It's a joke of a franchise at this point
Halo Infinite is dead, I thought that was common knowledge
Check the community tab 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 for "custom browser"
dude no way, this whole video is useless now
Pfft, well this aged well. Literally like a week later all of this was pretty much fixed🤣
And yet the game still only averages 4k players on Steam and is at 19th place on Xbox's Most Played Games list (behind games like Red Dead 2, ARK, and last year's Madden...)
so they added water physics?
Desync is fixed?
forge doesn't look like plastic now?
So many people saying forge saved infinite but that’s just a top layer to mask the issues that have yet to be fully addressed. The fact forge is still in a beta stage says a lot. The game itself is more of a beta than a complete game. Thank you for actually talking about a topic that does need to be said
I have not touched forge since I have no one to play it with nor do I want to play it with, its so stupid, i dont see the point of forge I want to play team slayer and ranked only
@@hansr370 you are so dumb. A looot of new maps will come on the slayer playlist because of forge. And they already added a couple.
One of the things that surprised me is how bad the ui and learning curve is on infinite's forge. They didn't bother to import the historical blocks from reach, which would've been a help. No grid visualizations, and changing an object's appearance is really a mess. It's like going through vmts in source engine, but you don't get preview images in a scrolling column like usual. Coloring also seems to be tied to the base texture and there isnt enough blending modes. I really liked to forge in reach and 3, but i didnt make anything before uninstalling infinite to make space for other games.
YOU ARE EXACTLY WHAT TRUE HALO FANS NEED -
Finally someone with a freaking spine. Nice video. Now let’s all unite. You said something needs to change… your last words.
Let me purpose what the community should do.
STARTING JAN 1 2023. For one full month ,everyone needs to not buy anything from their stupid shop.
Let’s freeze 343 out until they put 4 things into the game. 1) a proper rank system(visible number) 2) a community map playlist. 3) fix major d-sync issues. 4) at least 3 new maps for slayer playlist.
STOP BUYING THINGS FROM 343… then they will be forced to listen. And I actually think, if they listen and give us the above 4 fixes within 1 month….the community should agree to buy 500 credits the following month.
Boycott 343 NOW before it’s really too late.
I havent bought a single item yet 🙏🏼
Yeah I don't think people are going to do that especially the fanboys.
It's their money they can spend it however they want
@@minilla2382 And that is how we got here in the first place. Crap games because "Let them do what they want". How about we point and laugh at them for paying for shit that used to be free.
@@jedbex7070 I was referring to the players buying this shit
Not the company itself lmfak
THAAAAAAANK YOUUUUUUUU! i commented on one of MintBitch's video about how "grafting on forge mode wont save the unstable garbage base game" just about everyone on there was coping and REEEEEE'ing and everytime someone did ... ol' Minty highlighted their comment
lol i spoke the truth and they hated it
If you call him ‘MintBitch’, then I’m not sure you would’ve deserved any respect given how I suspect you worded it there. Go back to Reddit.
There are waterfalls in Infinite. I’m particularly remembering at least one because there is a skull hidden in a cave behind it,
@Richard lel
Imagine being a 120 subscribers youtuber and being more logic and sane than the hole halo community and the 343 company
Sean w put so much hate on halo infinite lol don’t call him a 343 shell bro plz
@@sulwhale3171 i barely watch halo content at all now, but i sure as sht remember youtubers like him & their whiplash inducing rhetoric toward infinite. He *is* a shill, if you cant see that rip
@@sulwhale3171 Where is Sean W's hate? All I've seen is copium from him. Can't uninstall the game despite how bad it is. Act Man actually nutted up and uninstalled Infinite, Sean W has done nothing but store footage and shill the base game.
@@megaman37456 act man is a crybabe with foot fetish.
Forge didn't exactly save this game, but forge in conjunction with progression updates, dysync being fixed, and a server browser coming to the game saved Halo Infinite, atleast for me
"It's an improvement but it's not hard to improve on garbage" - Captain Price
"even the forge monitor itself doesn't look complete" 🤣
That sentence was the biggest bullshit in this video, and then he says it’s the reason people are using the halo 3 version in TH-cam thumbnails…EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE THAT FOR EVERY. SINGLE. GAME
poor lil guy getting no love :(
Halo Reach was the last good Halo experience imo
pretty much
When I played the Halo 5 Beta I said to myself "Yeah this just ain't it man" and I never gave into the hype again for Halo by 343. I never even gave a thought to Halo Infinite when they said it would be free to play.. I feel sorry for those who gave into the hype thinking it was gonna be another Halo title when in reality it was just some very expensive rip off... whenever it's mentioned how much money is being spent on a project whether its a movie or game I just know it's gonna be a fail. I love Mint Blitz content but you nailed it on the head in this video, I'd rather play/watch content from modded Halo 3 than anything 343 has to offer.
To be fair Halo 5's beta WAS bare bones, have you actually tried Halo 5 recently? Like try and make a custom game with your preferred settings, maybe give the weapon variants a go.
Halo 3 wasn't even that good
@@armalite5.56 Halo 3 was GREAT at the time it came out, but it's overrated as all hell.
Halo 5 beta was the best halo beta ever. Wtf are u talking about
@@Hypnostedon I mean yeah, but it still had its issues.
I've been a lifelong Halo fan, I own all the games and own/read most of the books. I haven't even touched Infinite in months.
They hated him because he told the truth.
infinites forge budget is actually insane. we havent seen the best maps yet. lot of people gonna eat their words
Yep
The part with master guns 😅 love it. Sass is well deserved to.
The whole game looks bad tho, the textures, lighting, even the menu all looks flat and fake.
I think being able to go through the ground is a deliberate feature.
The overhyping of forge from people is so clearly copium
THANK YOU! Finally a video where some sane person recognizes that this game still needs work. Alot of work. This forge mode isnt even finished. INFECTION ISNT EVEN OUT. I'm tried of seeing tons of videos about "Halo saved by forge" "Forge is the 117 to infinite" " 343 did something right" Like bro make other content. They've stayed on halo so much that every news they get they instantly over hype it
I agree, I felt the same way when I played this day one. Halo infinite missed so much potential and it's sad to say.
I feel MCC really takes the cake in terms of content and the amount of cool modded maps compared to halo infinite's limited forge.
Imagine how well the community would treat Halo 5 if it got a Steam port. I think the community has done more to mitigate the damage to Halo than 343 could ever hope to do.
@@megaman37456 Yeah, I can agree to that. But it's also the people behind the business aspect of modern gaming that encourages poor monetization schemes that most (Not all) people buy into.
It probably won't ever change because so many people don't understand the value or don't care what goes into a $60 video game that you should receive as the end user when you buy something a bit pricey. People are too settling to pay for any price to a degree that causes more harm than good to modern gaming as a whole.
Halo did not deserve this fate
no, neither did the halo community
@@TSK_Silver none of us did...343 has proven to be the epitome of failure in terms of game development/developer's
FACTS!
When Businesses realize their money isn't coming in like it use to only then will they drip feed people the stuff they need to keep throwing money at what they "Love"
don't let your emotions or nostalgia control you, i hate telling you what to do but these greedy ass businesses and corporations really don't give a fuck about us anymore and prolly never did
that isn't to say hate video games just try and think where your money's going
Very based. Finally an honest youtuber. Subbed.
Don't forgot halo infinite can only support like 6 playlist total. So its not just gameplay thats broken.
Saying very blanket statements like "building off a game with broken foundations" doesn't help discourse or discussion. Providing constructive feedback rather than another #company bad video is more productive and helpful overall.
Venting general frustrations like this seems more like a child crying than an adult genuinely trying to help or make a genuine change to something.
Relating to Far Cry's Editor, sure the first one was more user friendly like you pointed out, just like H3's forge, but to someone onboarding in an editor such as Far Cry 5's or 4's it's less user friendly to a substantial amount in comparison to Forge. Going from Halo's Forge to Far Cry was something that felt more like a job when I did it seeing as the tools have very different goals. Far Cry is definitely easier to create terrain based environments on but Halo is significantly easier to create custom designed locations that aren't just Terrain. This Forge does allow for plenty of Dev-Quality maps, look at Solution or other maps that aren't featured by Mint-Blits. They take time, sure, but it's possible with this tool. I agree that Mint exaggerates a lot, that's why I stopped following him if I'm being honest.
I can also tell you haven't messed with the Forge tool that much, as calling this budget small by any means is insanely ignorant. With this budget and the tools that are available to us for optimization we can make dev-quality maps without making consolidations with budget constraints.
Relating the snippet you said relating to what Cliff was talking about, that's completely out of context, Cliff was specifically showing off some stuff with scaling you could do for art, that has nothing to do with the general design process of the map's Layout. While theme was thought of back in the day of Bungie it was still not present in the block out state.
I know a lot of what I said here probably won't matter to you, but thought I'd at least put my 2cents so it isn't an echo chamber of blind agreement
Finally someone talking sense, so many people making videos about forge somehow saving Infinite 12 months after it dropped.
But as you state, the lack of a custom game browser with the release is fundamentally broken, not to mention the plethora of other broken or absent features.
Sure it’ll bring some back as some sort of middle act rally point but by and large the damage is well and truely done. It’s too little too late on 343’s part.
you say lack of customs browser, which is now complete bogus because of the shadow drop. If you said it was broken, but you just said it was not there.
@@zmawells You're just talking pedantic shit though as well. Customs didnt even dent the games population.... No an extra 2K players in peak time doesnt mean fu cking anything when CSGO consistently bolsters over 400 thousand people at ANY GIVEN TIME even when its "dying"......
The writing has been on the wall for a year straight, eventually you casuals all come full circle and work it out. Until then i suggest you keep quiet.
Yes the game is still in a rough place, and we’ll keep letting 343 know. But we have to learn to have gratitude for what we do have.
Also: there are waterfalls and bodies of water in Halo Infinite’s campaign.
@Vaniq ill be real, campaign is so rinse and repeat, by the time i got to *generic forerunner building number 3* i got off
Left a like because you're gonna need it. The soyboys are gonna flock to this with their dislikes and hate comments.
Thanks for the support. Im always open to critical feedback.
They spent too much money on the master cheeks tv show instead of actually funding the game lmao
master cheeks
Forge alone did not save this game the custom browser just might. And this is coming from a person who hasn't played Halo infinite in 4 months and was not looking to play it anytime in the future unless they fix certain problems.
Some of those problems such as forced cross play still exists but the custom browser and forge I tried it out this morning and it was pretty fun.
The lack of earning credits in custom games though is going to stunt it, as there’s just too many shiny things in the shop, the magpies cannot resist.
Custom game browser didn't save the game either.
If it was going to save the game you would have seen a 200k player peak on steam on customs launch.
And yet we still dip BELOW 2k players outside of NA hours every single day of the year.
It will not and has not saved the game. Im sorry. Eventually you just need to accept it.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother Custom game browser didn't even help a little either, still below 10k Hell it's just below 5k regularly. People who think Halo Infinite is any kind of good game are deluding themselves.
Sad thing about Infinite is it cost so much to make. Where did all of that money go?
Yep, more than Red Dead Redemption 2 and even Avengers _friggin_ Endgame!
Marketing, and hiring contractors.
Great video. It's a rant, but flows between points nicely. Great editing and footage too. Good stuff
The editing on this video is 🔥. The first 5 minutes are really excellent. Regarding the reaction from some people on TH-cam I put this down to overexcitement at having new content rather than a deliberate attempt to hoodwink anyone for clicks. But maybe I'm naive to think that. Forge was never going to "save" this game. What does that even mean at this stage. Forge is for the fans who have stuck around and nothing more. The only thing that saves this game is mainline, dev made content, backed by a progression system and rewards which don't rely on fomo or other microtransactions practices
even if they are clickbaiting, can you blame them? most of these channels get most of their views by covering halo content, and with the game in the state that it is, i dont think theres an issue with them trying to capitalize on what little information they get
What's embarrassing is 343 stans now saying this game is a home run. The game should have shipped with forge, it's taken nearly a year to address desync. A broken clock is right twice a day.
Can’t go back they’ve shown us that they’ve stopped caring
I guess you could say that this update is a
Monument to all their sins
I’m glad I’m not the only one who disapproves this forge. My main problem with it is how confusing the controls are. It’s like devs purposeful make everything about this game counterintuitive. From forge , the menus, theater mode, social functions. It’s really frustrating.
Corporations and businesses are not our friends and we owe them nothing.
There's no progression system
Fomo
Broken cosmetics
Unethical cosmetics
Crashes
Heavily lacking content
Disappearing content
Broken challenge system
the bonobo banner incident
Very true, it's good to see an honest Halo creator.
Glad I ran into this video before I reinstalled Infinite since everyone was pushing the “Forge brought infinite back!” shenanigans. Thank you for the brutally honest take, earned a new sub.
I think a lot of what you’re saying is fair, but I’ve been loving the community browser and forge maps. It’s been a lot of fun, even though there’s a ton of problems with Infinite.
0:49 not even a week after this guy rips into infinite and they make a custom browser 😂
when him or broken circle get upset at 343, its scary
I dont know wether its denial, or nostalgia for the old days, but somehow these youtubers/players have fooled themselves into thinking infinite is a good game.
That said, I have shared your opinion since before launch. As soon as I saw the gameplay trailer I knew something was off.
Finally someone with common sense! I swear all Halo content creators are brainwashed.
This is the first guy I can actually relate to, all my buddies keep telling me that halo has been revived…it hasn’t.
If I want to play halo, I’ll stick to MCC.
This deserves more views.
Empty? Bro I just dont get the hate, in my opinion ya'll just WANT to hate the game nothing satisfys anyone.
There’s a fair amount of points in this video that i agree with and a fair amount that i disagree with a lot. A majority of his points relating to performance are obsolete given the improvements of the winter drop pod update that made huge improvements toward desync. A new map out of the blue, A CUSTOM GAMES BROWSER, making the new cores free and adding base colors. Before the winter update i hated the game, but after forge i started playing more and after the drop pod i find myself playing almost everyday. But I entirely agree with the forge comments as well as assassinations (sorta). Forge seems to have great potential with stunning community content but the dependence on the community to provide content isn’t a good crutch to vouch for. 343’s inability to provide good environmental physics is not something to look over which these halo content creators do a lot. I can understand that they might be excited and milk the good news to keep their player base engaged with them but it ends up blinding the community to problems that need attention. For assassinations, I was disappointed that they weren’t in the base game at launch but noticing desync as well as the movement in the game, part of me doesn’t really care about them being in the game. I guess the game needs to fix movement bugs before they can really get going on assassinations.
This video aged terribly, Custom Games Browser was added just a few days later, LMAO.
oh no, 1 point is outdated, better leave my obligatory "this aged like milk" comment
@@TSK_Silver This aged like milk
@@funkyreapercat5280 lel
If the game launched with everything it was supposed to, this game would still be charting Steam and Xbox. Too little too late
correct
Nice vid but @ 11:50 you bring up the forge monitor clipping through the terrain but no clip was a requested feature for forgers. In play mode you don't clip through that plane.
After watching the whole video I’ve concluded that this dumbass was constantly over exaggerating everything to make it sound much worse than it actually is
I'm 100% with you on the overhyped forge maps. Most look great but things like being forced into making a water-like substitutes is just sad. Ontop of that, Forge's interface is ridiculously complicated. This deserves a sub.
If the forge interface was simple than you wouldn’t know how to use most features, and if you removed all those extra features than it would just be halo reach basic editing.
Also 343 industries has already mentioned that they plan to add water volumes for forge later, and that the reason a lot of stuff is missing is because they released forge earlier than they wanted to because players demanded it come sooner or they’d stop playing.
Also, there are so many features that people are complaining about forge missing (like water volumes and campaign AI) that simply put, have NEVER been in forge before so you should be happy that they are coming soon even if they aren’t here now
@@boopjackrex7598 Rushed content, being released earlier than planned seems to be the only thing they're consistent at. Whatever their plan is, my patience won't last forever.
@@Misty25939 rushed content because the community was getting fed up with waiting, it’s not like you could have done anything differently to change the outcome. Either they wait extra long while finishing it and risk losing the player base because no one has enough patience or they rush it out and finish it as user get to test it out and get complaints from people who won’t touch the new content anyway
actually its complicated cuz basically forge is a dev tool for programming, and the maps are pretty good, im not defending 343 they have made an awful job ngl but forge is the only good thing alongside the mid campaign, definitely forge in infinite is a dev map maker and its pretty good
The halo black pill is a tough pill to swallow lol Im happy enough with MCC.
Nothing with "save" infinite. Only thing 343 can do is add too it which will keep it alive.
battlefield 2042 has had a better comeback
yikes
Idk it revitalized it for me. I started playing again with a group of friends and enjoying forge. March comes out with custom browser and I guarantee I’ll be playing more when it comes out. But halo does need to do a better job. I still think it’s a good game. I’ve even stopped playing call of duty to come back to this. But I guess if you don’t have friends to play with that would make it boring still
I am gald that this opinion is dying off, I have been wanting to people to hop on this fun game since day one and now people are finally warming up to it, while the vapid sea of people who just wanna hate everything they can about the game is getting a bit smaller. Been enjoying it since day one, frustrated with a lot of its problems but never stopped enjoying it and forge is amazing, and you say you dont wanna downplay it or the peoples work but you really are. Mind you, I have built a map utilizing the entire surface area of one of the forge maps before reaching its limit. There is a hell of a lot you can do with this tool, and you have to consider the past as well, I know what you mean about "wow this basic ass map used 40 percent of the budget" but this is not only better then forge in past instalments, it is leaps and bounds better. I am having a really hard time thinking of any game that has provided a better map making tool that is also available on console without mods. Maybe dreams? That game on PS4 entirely built around the idea of making maps and games? That's about all I got.
I dont even want to get into the pointless rant about water you went on for a little too long. Just simply if you dont like the game and what its doing, you dont. We are all down for hearing criticism but not down for hearing about how the game is dead and blah blah. I much prefer latenightgamings take on these things, he knows that not everything is great, and that not one little thing will come and save it, and forge has not saved the game so to speak, but its the right direction and the future is bright. What will help the game more then anything is a bit more of a positive attitude and getting more people turned on to playing this game. I couldn't imagine what it wouldve been like playing no mans sky and having a community of people hating on the game and spreading ill will, that game only found its success with the backbone of a loving group of fans. 343 is taking their sweet ass time, its been a year now and it isnt where I thought it would be, but I only see it getting better at the very least. Seriously though, if this isnt what you want then the franchise is dead to you, move on. Battlefield ended up not being the game I wanted after Battlefield 4, and instead of pissing and moaning about it I just realized it kinda sucks now and went to greener pastures and kept playing the old ones I liked. Why is it not okay to just do that and let the fans enjoy their product, no matter if you think its the wrong opinion or not. I get maybe your more so just mad at the devs but you did start this argument with not understanding why fans and content creators are suddenly liking this game again. I am sorry we are enjoying something. Go find something you enjoy to.
Damn I had to come back and say more at the end because you said something dumb that I didnt even catch at first. 10:23 What the hell do you even mean?...Yeah I suppose if you just go in and start slapping stuff together there is no planning and floor designing and concept art and all that jazz, but thats just about how much you want to put into it. The tool is welcome to both ameture design and professional, I have in fact whipped out some graph paper to sketch out and design a map and make concepts and planning to really get a maps flow and design down. And that was on Halo Reach, so you better believe I would do that for infinite as well. And I would be willing to bet that if the devs are using this tool they are doing the same thing, and I would be willing to bet that people making maps that end up becoming good enough quality for a real multiplayer map also had a design and planning phase to make it come together. I have been trying to avoid saying anything that is just provoking an angry argument but when you brought that up I just dont know what to say other then I dont really think you know what you're talking about in some of this.
Agree 100%, sorry for so many comments just commenting as I watch...I mean really no map testing and it shows. Even some of the forge maps in Halo 3 MCC you can tell they didn't really test those they don't flow well at all, same thing with H2A. I actually loved H2A but it doesn't have enough dev maps and the forge maps flow is horrendous.
The lack of BTB dev maps in Halo 5 was disgusting. Like you said unprofessional and lazy.
Im basically reiterating a few points - I'll probably keep doing that to make sure people know whats actually going on behind the scenes.
Thank you for your honesty. This video is cathartic.
But but, muh customs browser was stealth dropped.
Thankyou for saying what the rest of us with any semblance of intelligence have been saying since before launch.
It just sucks that it took some of the casuals 8+ months to finally come full circle and realise what we were talking about in the beta phases.
I did guarantee them it would happen though, and god damn does UTTER VINDICATION taste amazing. Ive been living in a "told you so moment" for MONTHS regarding this dogwater game.
This video has aged terribly
not really, custom game browser still barely works for most people, if and when you load in to a game you get maybe 10 minutes of fun then gotta wait about 7 to get into another game
I love the amount of people who don't even bother to listen what you have to say about this games issues, and instead defend a company whose blatant flaws are present in this video but are blind by the people who are trying to convince themselves that this company is doing halo justice right now. And with that aside, the effort you put in getting your points across in this video is rock solid. Awesome video, and engaging to watch!
We aren't crybabies.
The games has a lot of rooms to fix but we still enjoying it because we are good gamers and we enjoy the franchise.
@@Hypnostedon I didn't say you were. And if you enjoy Halo Infinite right now, good on you. But the point is, there are a different group of people in the debate who are praising 343 for doing minor stuff that either should've been at launch or stuff that has been done decades ago, while not implementing staples of the Halo franchise or prioritizing in bigger issues that shouldn't even be a problem. Like, Halo Infinite is capable of doing a lot of things, but 343 are too busy implementing experimental gamemodes that would only be fun for a month then become stale because of lack of originality or just flat out not as fun as other gamemodes in the Halo series, and not prioritizing in proper map management, servers being buggy, or even proper physics at all. This needs to change, as 343 are too lazy to carry Halo on it's back, yet fails to even comprehend simple reasons of our criticisms and move on with their battle pass system.
Very glad someone finally said what's really going on, and addressed the real state of the game !!!.
Dude this was great. You really said what other TH-camrs are afraid to say. Bravo, you earned a subscriber
The anger. I love it.
Finally. Someone who is as angry as me about it, and not shilling for mummy 343 who just gave us some milk after starving us for 6 years.
I used to forge since halo 3, and whilst this forge is easily the most powerful, its really screwed the average forger over. Ok, we can do more complex stuff. Cool. But it is such a hassle to do more basic stuff now. I miss having a premade forge canvas to explore and work with, and developer structures to quickly piece bits together rather than making every block from scratch. It seriously takes 3x as long to make a simple building now than it did before because of all the extra micromanagement you must do (each axis size, 2-3 material types, colours, etc). I used to be able to make an elevator or door in Halo 5 using a simple script - now I have to mess with the node graph for god knows how long.
And theres ZERO turorials for any of these features. And it still crashes. And still bugs out moving multiple objects and physics pieces. And no good canvases, or decent terrain editor to back it up.
And budget is still garbage.
THANK YOU SIR, Far Cry(s) had an outstanding editor, something infinite could learn from.
1:47 yikes that looks like shit....the people saying Forge rivals dev tools I mean...damn dude get your eyes checked!
Granted Forge is very advanced compared to say Halo Reach but as I said in my own video that was over 10 years ago...we should see more advancements than this!
In 2003 a game I love (one of the first games I ever played) Delta Force Black Hawk Down had a level editor that did allow you to create official like maps for multiplayer AND singleplayer...yes WITH AI. There are videos on youtube of full custom campaigns made in that game's level editor that are nearly indistinguishable from the dev made levels.
I’ll give it a check
It doesn't mean EVERY forge map will look amazing. That is all up to the person making it. I've seen some amazing stuff. Plus, they're looking into making AI into forge.
Very sad to see even after this much time the game is still not worth playing at all
for real too, you would think me with a good pc and a long history with halo, would feel even a slight pull towards infinite, but i don't, there is nothing for me there
It went exactly like I thought: Forge was hyped up for 2 weeks to a month then died quietly, same with custom browser. Infinite has no more aces left, 343, drop the axe and move on, use this as a learning experience, drop the slipspace engine, and until you can design a fully functional game day 1 with ALL of the base Halo staples DAY 1, free of microtransactions, you need to keep your ambitions in check. It's fine to be ambitious, but god damn 343 you literally let your ambition run the show this time around and it cost you big.
EDIT: After watching the video you earned a sub for being the only smart Halo content creator I've seen covering the winter update.
yeah i dont know, im playing more halo infinite than ever
The custom games browser is here! Basic colors where given to all armor cores and all armor cores where given to players! You can’t deny this game is moving the correct direction
A gamemode that requires discord to play in which to be honest 90% of the player base will not bother to get on wouldn’t save Halo Infinite. Not adding custom game matchmaking made adding forge pointless. Most of friends straight up refused to get on discord to find games and I don’t blame them, we all went on to play other games and I haven’t looked back since.
Well CGB is in the game right now
Custom games browser is out now.
Heyyyy, there’s this funny thing called a Custom Games Browser, might just be what you’re looking for.
First off, I agree with many things you said.
However, saying forge didn't save infinite less than a month after launch is silly... I'm not sure that anyone was expecting that to happen overnight. Giving forgers a couple more months to get used to the tools coupled with a ccb launch in March absolutely still has potential to supply the community with a plethora of high-quality content. I don't bitch at my car for not instantly getting me to my destination when all I've done is start the engine. Also... you don't seem particularly knowledgable enough about this version of forge to be trashing it to this extent- left out some key details and got others blatantly wrong.
Anyway, this video was less about forge and more about trashing 343, something we've all seen hundreds of times. Give it some time my guy
What exactly do you think will happen? The thousands who walked away from the garbage game will suddenly return because of some cool custom maps?
That was never the main draw of Halo.
The game itself needs to be good. And it isn't (which is why player numbers are low) and the point is Forge hasn't changed that much at all.
@@tobsmonster2 I don't give a shit what they do. Those of us still on the game are having a blast with the cgb
There is some good crticism, 343 CANNOT substitute developer made maps with forge maps, we need good looking maps that play well, but Forge itself is in no way a disappointment, the level of detail with which you can construct your map is groundbreaking, and even though Far Cry's map builder looks cool and lets you build ground more easily, I don't think it can do more than 1% of what forge does now, the budget isn't nearly as small as suggested in the video, and the visual quality of the map can be really high (look at Oriole District by OmniPaimon for example), and the custom game browser just came out too. Forge IS gonna bring a real boost to this game in the coming months, and I'm going as far as to say I would actually commend 343 for bringing a couple of good looking open BTB maps in the horrendous map roster for that mode while we wait for developer maps.
Didn't they pretty much do that in 5? Or hell, after they took over Reach?
@@durandol yeah it's very likely 343 will implement some forge made maps into matchmaking, but the forge has better visual quality now and I hope they will also take the beauty and detail of the map into account while prioritizing playability of course.
@@edvard8449 I mean, they’ve literally said that they’re playtesting forge maps right now to see if they need any tweaks, and they’ll ship them on into matchmaking.
Absolutely on point! Halo needs a new developer that really cares about the Franchise and understands what works and improve on it! I'm sure a lot of Fans that love Halo and Understand it are Game developers or are involved in the industry, but somehow Microsoft and 343 don't Hire people that care and love their craft.
1000% agree
The custom games browser had been released in todays update along with some fixes relating to desync. One thing forgers in the private beta were able to is use dev assets such as plants , objects and building to make their maps more beautiful which the release version of forge does not have. They have announced that their future plans include to add campaign AI to forge and allow people to use assets from the dev made maps such as skyboxes and that giant death laser from Breaker. As for assasinations while looking cool were janky and honestly slowed down combat. Also forge allows your do more with individual assets such as changing their physics behavior and welding objects together, it also has a much diverse set of assets to play around with in forge.
1. They can add whatever they want it it still won’t fix the broken foundation. The game is still extremely unstable, these cool new modes barely work correctly because of the lag and dis functionality
2. Assassinations in halo we’re never janky. You can argue for it slowing down combat sure, the the animations always were always smooth and the camera always seamlessly came in and out of third person. Games like Apex, cod, and bf2042 assassinations are janky, not halo
@@ethab57 reach had pristine and sexy assassinations
@@zachrohler1047 i can't read long paragraphs on youtube gives me eye strain, so nice opinion, ill never know what it is though
lets be honest, this game is beyond salvation
And it has been for like 6+ months.
Basically as soon as they lost the 200k steam players it was over. Whether people have the balls to admit it or not.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother exactly, this game will never get over 15k players, if it didn't happen with forge it will simply not happen
Agreed, i appreciate the realistic point of view. Any positive regarding this game is always at the expense of accuracy. Everyone has settled and thus the bar is being compared to a very low standard. The game failed the second it released. There was no chance of redemption in todays gaming community. You either hit it at the start or you lose the momentum and never regain it again. The game is suspended by loyal long time customers. There are virtually zero first time / new consumers playing this game. They wouldn’t stick around for forge/custom games/ social because they never new what it was to begin with. What they say their first time playing was a broken cyberpunk v2 release which was quickly tossed to the side, because at least this time they didn’t have to pay for the garbage.
You still can’t even save maps and game modes. It gives you the option but half the time the game won’t even let you do certain things that are in the game. Like edit a setting to a custom game file. And again you can’t save already made maps and custom games. Half the time you can’t even load into any of the customs browser lobby’s. You’ll sit at a loading screen for 5 minutes and then find out that the game either ended already or just straight up kicked you. It’s disgusting that this is considered a finished game, even with forge.
Some good points in this video. The biggest thing holding back Forge at the moment is its dearth of canvasses, its atrocious terrain options, and its lack of proper atmospherics like water. If they fix that then this Forge would be golden. Then they'd just need to make the game actually fun to enjoy the creations.
The truth hurts so much.
its does, it does
Vegetation reacts to player movement, water reacts to player movement, we call this physics 😂
Halo infinite just doesn't feel right.
thats what im saying, its feel gross to watch gameplay on infinite right next to gameplay from halo 3 or reach, feels empty and lifeless
First off, have to say, 117 dislikes. Dang. Second off, THANK YOU!!! Was so sick and tired of every major Halo TH-camr saying "FoRgE wIlL sAvE uS!1!" when the same shitty issues with the game are still here and aren't any closer to going away than they were a year ago. THANK YOU for bringing some ACTUAL honesty and criticism rather than blind positivity! As I've stated on multiple other channels such as Sean W, Halo Follower, KevinKool, blindly saying positive things about a game, in cases exactly such as these, is often times worse than providing overwhelmingly negative yet honest comments. "Rtas... The Prophets have betrayed us!" -The Arbiter, Halo 2
With how creatively bankrupt they are, it's no suprise that maps are UNSC centric and love the color, Olive Drab.
Someone has to point out the emperor has no clothes sadly.
Custom games browser was added yesterday, alongside an update to M+KB input which adds aim slowing while moving (to balance the game for both inputs).
It's honestly tragic to the highest degree to see how Microsoft treats their flagship franchise
I dont think microsoft actually has much oversight. Halo has been flopping since halo 4. Like I dont think Microsoft would just allow the game to flop for a decade. I feel like they just throw some comments 343s way and leaves them to their own devices.
@@zachrohler1047 you would think a company capable of buying Activision could make a good halo, it's honestly humiliating
@@theravenlord that's what I'm trying to say, I dont think Microsoft has much control over 343.