perhaps the real mystery city was the friends we made along the way in all seriousness, this find is cool as hell, props to you and xanvier for discovering this after so many years
Well mystery city in the sense people thing was that ps2/x360 demo map. Thing is that it never was a thing, it was hastily cobbled together alternate map that wouldninclude few tracks they could squeeze into tiny demo file, and wouldnt need to butcher palmont like they did Camden for MW05 demo. They wanted to show main selling points, Canyons, drifts, boss race and territorial control and they had to make sanjuan, drift track and sanjuan to to fit into one area to make this little narrative. So they took bits if palmont the canyon and sj salazar street bit and slapped it all together so it looks like a convincing map for a city. And it was convincing enough for us as kids to believe it was beta city for Carbon, even tho canyon doesnt make sense in it, being both too tiny and well completely wrong in regards of Look out points scenery, dont mind the city...water is on the wrong side if it xD
Yeah, its incredibly early too, it has bits that were changed completely or removed, or dont exist yet(like Chinatown). I think it was made for testing of the roads they planned, to see how it plays and then tweaked and changed the road model until it was like in final game. Other two seems like even less developed layouts for Silverton and Fortuna.
@@RandomCarfromNFS It wasnt, it's a new finding. Especially since it was limited to X360 Asian version of Carbon. It's great insight in now they worked on the map very early on, given Downtown layout seen here.
@@RandomCarfromNFS Probably, but i would say it will be just minor differences to american release. Asian version of ps2 undercover also had mkee leftovers than pal/ntcs versions.
Just not one every one wanted to see in 2014 xD. Its still very interesting, its incredibly early layout for downtown and most likely fortuna and silverton unless these 2 other bits are just some random doodles to test handling on.
@@mayoral90s38 It is a test map eitherway. They might be checking how design of scenery might be going or strictly how given layout is playing out. That is the point given especially how early this Downtown layout is, and its time for tweaks still ie, moving the street models around before they start to decorate it with buildings and art pass it, because at that point its impossible to make big changes without excess amounts of effort reworking it.
There was another unused track, named *(5500) Coastal Relight,* seen in carbon globalb, shame that those track files for 5500 Coastal Relight were likely lost.
Somehow this makes me feel like that demo map of early palmont that everyone says is temp has more credence. There feels like there's an attempt to link a very vertical twisty design straight into an urban core type-beat that that temp map had. I wouldn't be surprised if there's more weird collision stuff implying more road designs. Especially if there could be a way to somehow port these tracks over to pc for more examination. If not that, the fear of driving into a void and crashing the game probably gave the devs the idea of the canyons. This is a god-tier level find. Man, I love the beta Carbon and Carbon theories communities. There's always cool stuff in game dev. Awesome find.
In my opinion, I think they were trying to go for a modern and realistic look so I could understand why they changed it to be less curvy and fantasy-ish, otherwise Carbon would have looked like it was stuck in the 90s.
another thing i've noticed is that in the final map, lamp flares are all either cool white or a slightly warm white, while these flares are so warm they're yellow
first Gran Turismo 4 turns out to have cheats... Then the NFS Carbon mystery city does actually exist in a way. Good times for the ps2 era games recently
Fantastic work Felipe. One of your biggest discoveries yet! I always enjoy seeing the hidden content you dig up. It would be amazing if some people restored this to PC, started connecting roads up and added more buildings to make this polished. It might even be easier to build a new city from scratch than to fix this one though. First, I'd like to see collision data placed for the NFS World connector roads, then if the canyon tracks can be loaded back in up north of the map, you could have an NFS World map that you could still have canyons on. As of now in NFSCO, (or should I say the most recent public build which was World 2 Carbon) it uses the World map which doesn't have canyons, so you cannot complete the career mode while having the World map loaded. I suspect putting the canyons, San Juan and the drift course back into the World map would be easier than building collision data for the unfinished connector roads, as the former has collision data and doesn't overlap with anything if the two maps exist simultaneously. It's possibly as simple as "layer 1" Carbon, "layer 2" World, and then cropping out the Palmont part of "layer 1". It's also easier said than done, but maybe someone with all the knowledge on how the 3D modeling works will be able to do it someday. If that is able to be accomplished, then maybe Tri-City could be loaded in south of the Rockport Turnpike as World originally intended. I have no idea how difficult this is or if it is possible at all, perhaps Carbon's engine could not handle that many chunks, but the game engines are similar as have been shown for Most Wanted, Carbon, ProStreet, Undercover and World. Obviously this is asking a lot, but it is fun to dream about and maybe that will one day be a reality. I made my first MW and Carbon mods today. A simple texture swap for the police cars. Rockport PD in Carbon and Palmont PD in Rockport. Intended for use with the Rockport 1.0 for Carbon and Palmont 1.0 for Most Wanted mods respectively. Hopefully they we be approved on nfsmods soon. With how long we've been able to load maps from the other games, I was surprised that texture swap had not been done yet for all of the vehicles.
24:24 a very, very early Fortuna draft? 12:05 possible canyon test linked to the city/very early Silverton? Really interesting findings, thank you for sharing it with everyone. I hope there's more of it
Canyons were never ever connected, they didnt plan for it. If they did it would need to be just like Bayview with Jackson heights. Canyons are close but not close enough for straight up connection, plus they didnt really think through scenery entirely its semi-inconsisted between various routes, some clash together on same scenery(souther canyons likenknifes edge or cooper ridge and goldvalleyrun). It is most likely incrddibly early silverton and fortuna alognside downtown whivh is a bit more recognizeable
My guess is that after they failed to make Alpine to work for Most Wanted they didnt want to bother and overshoot with canyons and went for disconnected approach.
@@gainutdinoff9755 Yes but Undercover makes me sad with how whole game is unfinished. They also cut a chunk of gold coast mountains that connected to Sunset hills. Its still visible or region map. Remnant of the connector is in the scenery where it would connect up.
Too bad it's only on x360 and only in the Asian release versions, would have loved to see the models ripped, perhaps there's something to do with these, be it exploring the map, or prepare it incase some more powerful map-related tools gets released.
It's interesting, but mostly its incredibly early layout test for Downtown Palmont, probably from the earliest days of them modelling it out, so they can get the layout to play nice, before furnishing everything.(changing layout later would be incredibly time consuming and would mess up races already designed etc.)
The NG test city part looks pretty cool, more unique and a bit mor detailed than most of the released content, would have been cool to see more of it in game.
It wasnt, you just underappreciate the final map. Stop snd take a look as various parts of palmont or san juan. Only few things are missing from ps2 demo SJ
@@DavidSouthMarket The buildings and such, they have more depth than the blockier and more repetitive end product. Obvs most of the map is invisible but the models and such look higher quality than what we got.
@@DavidSouthMarket Exactly. People just get too blindsided "by beta better" mentality. i mean what we have here is superbly early downtown road layout in the void with some copypasted UG2 buildings. Whats more detailed about it, when it missing almost everything. People just dont appreciate final game and take it for granted.
@@Kacpa2 Certain parts of Carbon are pretty, though other parts feel the same after a while, buildings feel flat and such with no alleyways, makes it feel like a large movie set.
eventually when the map tools get released for nfs carbon, has anyone in the community talked about getting these maps completed/detailed? would be interesting.
Gives me chills seeing these beta maps. It's like something is lurking through it. Also, I got a feeling we might get a similar map on Most Wanted and we might see a vestige of the Turnpike bridge and the Airport worked on the map.
Turnpike was never driveable in Most Wanted, Rockport didnt even exist as a district in earliest draft of most wanted. It was Rosewood, Camden and Alpine instead. Then they scrapped alpine and made Rockport out of Bayview City Core in late 2004/early 2005. Airport might be somewhere as a separate test, but on those early concept maps all those scenry bridges are called literarily "Fake Highways" on feb.15th map from 2005.
Well its not present because it would make the demo to heavy to fit on the CD. This is the main reason they made tha weird "mystery city" map instead and put san juan track, bit meant to be the drift course and lookoutpoint right next to each other so you can take them over and have a boss race in canyon. And those things were main ones they wanted to showcase, since drifting was missing in Most Wanted and canyons were new hot thing, chopping palmont to bits to show territory control was not the best way to go. That map in the demo is also mostly chopped up bits of Palmont, put all around the area you are taking over, being another reason why it looks so messy.
@@Kacpa2 there is also a minimap texture of a unknown raceway, maybe it was a test track or something and they forgot to delete the texture or something to test the minimap
@@marcoantoniodasilvabatista7203 Possibly, og concept only has final drift course drawn, maybe it was a test, maybe extra layout that they came up with later but changed their mind before ps2 demo.
These unused track maps reminds me of the creepy hidden interior universe or blue hell with invisible walls, roads & buildings or unsolid walls, roads & building without textures from the 3D & HD universe GTA games
damn i was hoping one of these maps would at least resemble some roads in mistery city, oh well looks like that map was just a test to see how they'd want the final map screen to look like beta downtown does looks different which is neat, and all of the other places look nice as well!
Its not mystery city and mc itself was never a thing, we just got overhyped over stupid png made FROM Palmont SJ and Lookout point to make the demo territory control mechanic into a "narrative" Without using Palmont itself in the demo as it would make the file far too big.
It its early spline of Downton Palmont and 2 doodles based on older nfs tracks as a test. Big findings, but i wouldnt really get people hoaxed into believing its mistery city xd especially when majority took your april fools seriously xd
The demo map is some kind of mockup and the final city design is from at least March 2006 but tests with this Carbon stream file goes back all the way to MW PS2/Xbox demo
i hope You will do more vids like this, i like how you showing everything for long time, i mean You going in same spot for couple of times just like i will be doing haha, idk why but this is very interesing im watch vids like this for long tike from nfs carbon
i doubt that 5400 track map was ever meant to be like this as if it was chosen as final map and finished. This might have been just a test map. Work on final palmont already begun on 2005 ( we have earliest screenshots from carbon build (of which we dont know from which date was compiled) that were revealed on collector edition bonus disc videos which had very unfinished map)
what are you talking about UG1 has some cool unused tracks UG2 has some mystery track that we only have the minimap texture (besides all the other stream files)
@@379Felipewhich track is that with the minimap file?😳, i tought that only the nascar oval thing, the camera test and that small track in the drift world were unused
@@JukoYT ug2 has also some ug1 and hp2 leftovers and a lightning test track that crashes when u attempt to load it (not the plain flat track that has some mountains sorrounding)
it's more extremely form of test map. final road layout was already planned by 2005 (what we have the earliest is screenshots from very early map that were seen in bonus disc videos; presumably mid-2005)
Why does it look like every single track was rushed in the making, and then thrown in the junk. We could've honestly got much more than what the original game currently has, and perhaps the game might've been even longer than just 4 territories and 4 boss canyon races.
very good and interesting video though ik nfs carbon had a lot of wallpapers I wonder if there's anything worth noting to say bout them like cut locations or early beta or alpha versions of the map and its surroundings
@@cheetah_5314 it probably would, but question is why. They serve no purpose other than for selected few, like you or me to explore. Wouldn't mind having a mod download, but I can't see anyone willing to put effort into porting such thing
mate I was trying to experiment with the nfs world map but it is somewhat complicated because I mean I try to get the location of San Juan and the canyons and try to edit the map so that San Juan and the canyons can be seen on it and make paths and that
5400 is likely different than Final Palmont and an demo palmont (which was made only in demo or in 2005 (there is no way that demo palmont city map was made in 2005))
Demo palmot was the sqme as final, just less finished. Mysteri city was never a thing, ps2 demo map is just a mockup to showcase territory control with 3 non palmont tracks.
Not a native english speaker so... yea also you people have no idea how weird it feels do a voiced video, you are like staring at your monitor screen, talking to no one, lol
Hi Felipe!!! Pay your attention for this (hiddenpalace Need for Speed Carbon (Aug 8 2006_Executable prototype)) I can not paste all link. But this is unplayable prototype for xbox downloaded in this month. I very wait your video about this.
very incomplete. it also has files from builds that are months earlier (June and July 2006 (dates had to be guessed; don't take them as exact accurate dates))(i mean, by August 2006, game was very close to be finished, just some differences)
Its not mystery city, it's very early Palmont downtown test, most likely to make handling tests and see how street layout play with new handling so it can be changed if needed. PS2/X360 Demo map was never a thing. Palmont was very inception as a drawing of its vista was identical to the final game. All the district details included. Same with San Juan. Demo map is weird case of making a mockup so they can show features and tracks they wanted the most with least amount of space on the disk, and having some mininarrative going in it. This is why san jaun, drift track and canyon are illogically slapped together in the middle of the city. While all surruounding of it are mangled bits of final Palmont.
@@379Felipe hey felipe, i just wanted an update on the situation cos i havent heard back from you yet let me know if youre having any issues getting in contact with me via discord
perhaps the real mystery city was the friends we made along the way
in all seriousness, this find is cool as hell, props to you and xanvier for discovering this after so many years
Well mystery city in the sense people thing was that ps2/x360 demo map. Thing is that it never was a thing, it was hastily cobbled together alternate map that wouldninclude few tracks they could squeeze into tiny demo file, and wouldnt need to butcher palmont like they did Camden for MW05 demo. They wanted to show main selling points, Canyons, drifts, boss race and territorial control and they had to make sanjuan, drift track and sanjuan to to fit into one area to make this little narrative.
So they took bits if palmont the canyon and sj salazar street bit and slapped it all together so it looks like a convincing map for a city.
And it was convincing enough for us as kids to believe it was beta city for Carbon, even tho canyon doesnt make sense in it, being both too tiny and well completely wrong in regards of Look out points scenery, dont mind the city...water is on the wrong side if it xD
@@Kacpa2i was joking
In a way it is true.
This may not be the mystery city people were hoping to find but it certainly is a city that is mysterious.
that's the spirit
I think it actually lived up to our expectations of Mystery City.
17 years later, and people are *_STILL_* discovering unused content related to NFS Carbon. Incredible.
Cause it’s still the scariest and most incomplete game.
nfsuc takes that spot@@DevinMillarDM
Hellz yeah
Seeing such a barren version of Downtown is... Unusual. Downright surreal looking at Carbon in its Most Wanted days.
Yeah, its incredibly early too, it has bits that were changed completely or removed, or dont exist yet(like Chinatown). I think it was made for testing of the roads they planned, to see how it plays and then tweaked and changed the road model until it was like in final game. Other two seems like even less developed layouts for Silverton and Fortuna.
@@Kacpa2 has this been covered on NFST
@@RandomCarfromNFS It wasnt, it's a new finding. Especially since it was limited to X360 Asian version of Carbon. It's great insight in now they worked on the map very early on, given Downtown layout seen here.
@@Kacpa2 can other stuff be found in other Asian versions of NFS?
@@RandomCarfromNFS Probably, but i would say it will be just minor differences to american release. Asian version of ps2 undercover also had mkee leftovers than pal/ntcs versions.
It's nice that this game is still not forgotten and such cool finds are being made on it.
Yep. This game was the least complete NFS for sure so it just makes sense.
I want to believe...
_X-files theme starts to play_
Well it’s real now.
So, it was true, there was a mistery city in nfs carbon. 16 years old mistery solved finally
Just not one every one wanted to see in 2014 xD.
Its still very interesting, its incredibly early layout for downtown and most likely fortuna and silverton unless these 2 other bits are just some random doodles to test handling on.
@@Kacpa2 i think they would be separated areas/circuits as San Juan or the drift track. Too complex layout for just a testing track
@@mayoral90s38 It is a test map eitherway. They might be checking how design of scenery might be going or strictly how given layout is playing out. That is the point given especially how early this Downtown layout is, and its time for tweaks still ie, moving the street models around before they start to decorate it with buildings and art pass it, because at that point its impossible to make big changes without excess amounts of effort reworking it.
@@Kacpa2 true
There was another unused track, named *(5500) Coastal Relight,* seen in carbon globalb, shame that those track files for 5500 Coastal Relight were likely lost.
what was it like or only strings exist or just a leftover?
Must be Most Wanted leftovers, Camden is called "Coastal" in concept art and internally(in the files)
@@Kacpa2 probably not mw because 5500
MW would start with 2
@@r033cx they probaly renamed it or idk
r033 is obviously correct
Somehow this makes me feel like that demo map of early palmont that everyone says is temp has more credence. There feels like there's an attempt to link a very vertical twisty design straight into an urban core type-beat that that temp map had. I wouldn't be surprised if there's more weird collision stuff implying more road designs. Especially if there could be a way to somehow port these tracks over to pc for more examination. If not that, the fear of driving into a void and crashing the game probably gave the devs the idea of the canyons. This is a god-tier level find. Man, I love the beta Carbon and Carbon theories communities. There's always cool stuff in game dev. Awesome find.
In my opinion, I think they were trying to go for a modern and realistic look so I could understand why they changed it to be less curvy and fantasy-ish, otherwise Carbon would have looked like it was stuck in the 90s.
The old NFS games always had a liminal space vibe.
Well put indeed. Well put!
Always interesting to see the leftover or test tracks in these games 👍
another thing i've noticed is that in the final map, lamp flares are all either cool white or a slightly warm white, while these flares are so warm they're yellow
Yep, tho some of those yellow flares have been used in NFSW iirc
I'm glad you're making content again
Also can't wait for the new Improvement Mod update lol
first Gran Turismo 4 turns out to have cheats...
Then the NFS Carbon mystery city does actually exist in a way.
Good times for the ps2 era games recently
mystery city is still palmont;
Fantastic work Felipe. One of your biggest discoveries yet! I always enjoy seeing the hidden content you dig up. It would be amazing if some people restored this to PC, started connecting roads up and added more buildings to make this polished. It might even be easier to build a new city from scratch than to fix this one though.
First, I'd like to see collision data placed for the NFS World connector roads, then if the canyon tracks can be loaded back in up north of the map, you could have an NFS World map that you could still have canyons on. As of now in NFSCO, (or should I say the most recent public build which was World 2 Carbon) it uses the World map which doesn't have canyons, so you cannot complete the career mode while having the World map loaded. I suspect putting the canyons, San Juan and the drift course back into the World map would be easier than building collision data for the unfinished connector roads, as the former has collision data and doesn't overlap with anything if the two maps exist simultaneously. It's possibly as simple as "layer 1" Carbon, "layer 2" World, and then cropping out the Palmont part of "layer 1". It's also easier said than done, but maybe someone with all the knowledge on how the 3D modeling works will be able to do it someday.
If that is able to be accomplished, then maybe Tri-City could be loaded in south of the Rockport Turnpike as World originally intended. I have no idea how difficult this is or if it is possible at all, perhaps Carbon's engine could not handle that many chunks, but the game engines are similar as have been shown for Most Wanted, Carbon, ProStreet, Undercover and World. Obviously this is asking a lot, but it is fun to dream about and maybe that will one day be a reality.
I made my first MW and Carbon mods today. A simple texture swap for the police cars. Rockport PD in Carbon and Palmont PD in Rockport. Intended for use with the Rockport 1.0 for Carbon and Palmont 1.0 for Most Wanted mods respectively. Hopefully they we be approved on nfsmods soon. With how long we've been able to load maps from the other games, I was surprised that texture swap had not been done yet for all of the vehicles.
its been many years and we still find something to dig in nfs carbon
2006 is 17 years ago. Think about that
Next year will be 18 years ago
Dont remind me, dont remind, i was okey and then you reminded me... 😫
24:24 a very, very early Fortuna draft?
12:05 possible canyon test linked to the city/very early Silverton?
Really interesting findings, thank you for sharing it with everyone. I hope there's more of it
Canyons were never ever connected, they didnt plan for it. If they did it would need to be just like Bayview with Jackson heights. Canyons are close but not close enough for straight up connection, plus they didnt really think through scenery entirely its semi-inconsisted between various routes, some clash together on same scenery(souther canyons likenknifes edge or cooper ridge and goldvalleyrun).
It is most likely incrddibly early silverton and fortuna alognside downtown whivh is a bit more recognizeable
My guess is that after they failed to make Alpine to work for Most Wanted they didnt want to bother and overshoot with canyons and went for disconnected approach.
@@Kacpa2
>like Bayview with Jackson heights
I think Tri-city's Gold coast did well enough. Also good point about Alpine, seems reasonable
@@Kacpa2 also seeing the high priest of Eskuri temple replying my comments makes my heart warm
@@gainutdinoff9755 Yes but Undercover makes me sad with how whole game is unfinished. They also cut a chunk of gold coast mountains that connected to Sunset hills. Its still visible or region map. Remnant of the connector is in the scenery where it would connect up.
This place reminds me Olimpic City a little bit.
How many secrets do my very first game in life and my favorite game in general hold?
I WANT TO BELIEVE
Hold up, in the intro the Le Mans quattro doesn't have the quad exhaust like the R8, but the actual exhausts the LM quattro does have
👀
good spot haa, weird
improvement mod teaser???
I'm actually quite impressed by how early the idea of NFSW came to be. It almost makes it feel like MW/Carbon were always meant to be testbeds for it.
Too bad it's only on x360 and only in the Asian release versions, would have loved to see the models ripped, perhaps there's something to do with these, be it exploring the map, or prepare it incase some more powerful map-related tools gets released.
It's interesting, but mostly its incredibly early layout test for Downtown Palmont, probably from the earliest days of them modelling it out, so they can get the layout to play nice, before furnishing everything.(changing layout later would be incredibly time consuming and would mess up races already designed etc.)
The NG test city part looks pretty cool, more unique and a bit mor detailed than most of the released content, would have been cool to see more of it in game.
Not really. What is up with you all guys saying "beta was more detailed"
It wasnt, you just underappreciate the final map. Stop snd take a look as various parts of palmont or san juan. Only few things are missing from ps2 demo SJ
@@DavidSouthMarket The buildings and such, they have more depth than the blockier and more repetitive end product.
Obvs most of the map is invisible but the models and such look higher quality than what we got.
@@DavidSouthMarket Exactly. People just get too blindsided "by beta better" mentality. i mean what we have here is superbly early downtown road layout in the void with some copypasted UG2 buildings. Whats more detailed about it, when it missing almost everything.
People just dont appreciate final game and take it for granted.
@@Kacpa2 Certain parts of Carbon are pretty, though other parts feel the same after a while, buildings feel flat and such with no alleyways, makes it feel like a large movie set.
eventually when the map tools get released for nfs carbon, has anyone in the community talked about getting these maps completed/detailed? would be interesting.
There’s Map Loader.
@@DevinMillarDMthere is, but its pretty limited. Its more worth to wait for Hypercooled to release tbh.
Gives me chills seeing these beta maps. It's like something is lurking through it. Also, I got a feeling we might get a similar map on Most Wanted and we might see a vestige of the Turnpike bridge and the Airport worked on the map.
Turnpike was never driveable in Most Wanted, Rockport didnt even exist as a district in earliest draft of most wanted. It was Rosewood, Camden and Alpine instead. Then they scrapped alpine and made Rockport out of Bayview City Core in late 2004/early 2005. Airport might be somewhere as a separate test, but on those early concept maps all those scenry bridges are called literarily "Fake Highways" on feb.15th map from 2005.
@@Kacpa2 Never seen a concept map of Alpine anywhere. All I saw is the usual Rockport shaped like Bayview Core
Where was Alpine district supposed to be? Are three any leftover Tracks for alpine?
There’s no lights, the buildings are out of place, no people, and the sky has an ominous white fog the whole time.
8:42 Main Character's heist and the set up by Darius Carbon Scene location lmao.
It does look very similar to the alleyway the player escaped through with the cop in the Chrysler 300.
Isn't there a way of making the collisions visible?
I think it might show some more secrets...
It's on X360, so it's very difficult
@@379Felipe Ripping the models out?
7:35 definitely nfsug1 objects
in the demo version of carbon there seems to be a palmont city minimap texture present but palmont is not present in the demo
Well its not present because it would make the demo to heavy to fit on the CD. This is the main reason they made tha weird "mystery city" map instead and put san juan track, bit meant to be the drift course and lookoutpoint right next to each other so you can take them over and have a boss race in canyon. And those things were main ones they wanted to showcase, since drifting was missing in Most Wanted and canyons were new hot thing, chopping palmont to bits to show territory control was not the best way to go.
That map in the demo is also mostly chopped up bits of Palmont, put all around the area you are taking over, being another reason why it looks so messy.
@@Kacpa2 there is also a minimap texture of a unknown raceway, maybe it was a test track or something and they forgot to delete the texture or something to test the minimap
@@marcoantoniodasilvabatista7203 Possibly, og concept only has final drift course drawn, maybe it was a test, maybe extra layout that they came up with later but changed their mind before ps2 demo.
These unused track maps reminds me of the creepy hidden interior universe or blue hell with invisible walls, roads & buildings or unsolid walls, roads & building without textures from the 3D & HD universe GTA games
asian versions to the rescue yet again
damn i was hoping one of these maps would at least resemble some roads in mistery city, oh well looks like that map was just a test to see how they'd want the final map screen to look like
beta downtown does looks different which is neat, and all of the other places look nice as well!
well, the downtown palmont spline has similarities...
Its not mystery city and mc itself was never a thing, we just got overhyped over stupid png made FROM Palmont SJ and Lookout point to make the demo territory control mechanic into a "narrative" Without using Palmont itself in the demo as it would make the file far too big.
Wow, 2nd part, finally!
the king is back!
I wonder if it's possible to restore these tracks in game with complete scenery as mods? That 20:18 would be fun to have a racewar in.
Yep we got Map Loader now.
It its early spline of Downton Palmont and 2 doodles based on older nfs tracks as a test. Big findings, but i wouldnt really get people hoaxed into believing its mistery city xd especially when majority took your april fools seriously xd
its a simple thing
Is Mystery City the early builds of Palmont?
-> Yes -> We found Mystery City
-> No -> We didn't found Mystery City
@@379Felipe Its not that kind of mystery city 😅
One people think of is that ps2/x360 demo map that never was a thing itself.
@@379Felipe so "yesn't"? xd
The demo map is some kind of mockup and the final city design is from at least March 2006
but tests with this Carbon stream file goes back all the way to MW PS2/Xbox demo
@@379Felipe Final look Palmont development would start in very late 2005
2023 and nfs carbon still surprising...
Yep. It never gets old.
can you do a video on the inaccessible highways 🔥 this was prob the original map with everything in it connected like the canyons , San Juan etc
What if you
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5:31
i hope You will do more vids like this, i like how you showing everything for long time, i mean You going in same spot for couple of times just like i will be doing haha, idk why but this is very interesing im watch vids like this for long tike from nfs carbon
i doubt that 5400 track map was ever meant to be like this as if it was chosen as final map and finished. This might have been just a test map. Work on final palmont already begun on 2005 ( we have earliest screenshots from carbon build (of which we dont know from which date was compiled) that were revealed on collector edition bonus disc videos which had very unfinished map)
i wish there was at least something this cool about nfsug1/2
what are you talking about
UG1 has some cool unused tracks
UG2 has some mystery track that we only have the minimap texture (besides all the other stream files)
@@379Felipewhich track is that with the minimap file?😳, i tought that only the nascar oval thing, the camera test and that small track in the drift world were unused
@@JukoYT ug2 has also some ug1 and hp2 leftovers and a lightning test track that crashes when u attempt to load it (not the plain flat track that has some mountains sorrounding)
@@marcoantoniodasilvabatista7203 oh interesting, i guess the hp2 and ug1 stuff isnt playable right?
@@JukoYT they arent playable, only strings exist
Felipe my beloved
it's more extremely form of test map. final road layout was already planned by 2005 (what we have the earliest is screenshots from very early map that were seen in bonus disc videos; presumably mid-2005)
ooo if only the uc test tracks were also in some console release
So this is actually what that April Fools joke was.
Yeppers
@@Kacpa2 And also I can see Mystery City was kinda real after all.
@@DevinMillarDM Kinda 😅
@@Kacpa2 Do you do mods by any chance?
Why does it look like every single track was rushed in the making, and then thrown in the junk.
We could've honestly got much more than what the original game currently has, and perhaps the game might've been even longer than just 4 territories and 4 boss canyon races.
Cause it was rushed, essentially.
Really nice! Thanks for showing these! Do you think its possible to put these on the PC version too? 🤔
I would love it if it got in PC Version 😅
Of course.
How can i activate debug camera or debug car customize in x360 carbon 😅
Speedyheart showed how to.
CDActionDrive -> CDActionDebug
@@379Felipe thanks i will try that
very good and interesting video though ik nfs carbon had a lot of wallpapers I wonder if there's anything worth noting to say bout them like cut locations or early beta or alpha versions of the map and its surroundings
Are these able to be restored ? They would look good in the V2 of improvement mod
You can use Map Loader these days to load it in.
Where'd you got that Audi from intro?
Amazing video! Also is it possible to access these areas using the out of bounds glitch?
No, those files exist only in the Asian X360 release
@379Felipe would it be possible to port them over to PC?
@@cheetah_5314 it probably would, but question is why. They serve no purpose other than for selected few, like you or me to explore. Wouldn't mind having a mod download, but I can't see anyone willing to put effort into porting such thing
@@slightlyinsaneraf It there was a resource to learn about such things I would
mate I was trying to experiment with the nfs world map but it is somewhat complicated because I mean I try to get the location of San Juan and the canyons and try to edit the map so that San Juan and the canyons can be seen on it and make paths and that
fill in the blanks city
5400 is likely different than Final Palmont and an demo palmont (which was made only in demo or in 2005 (there is no way that demo palmont city map was made in 2005))
Demo palmot was the sqme as final, just less finished. Mysteri city was never a thing, ps2 demo map is just a mockup to showcase territory control with 3 non palmont tracks.
Mystery city still canceled SOZ
Is the audi le mans quattro used in the intro a mod? The exhaust position is in the middle
the game in the intro looks like PS3
Would be great if you could talk in these videos. Nobody would judge you. On the contrary - would be a great welcome.
Not a native english speaker so... yea
also you people have no idea how weird it feels do a voiced video, you are like staring at your monitor screen, talking to no one, lol
@@379Felipe O lot of youtubers aren't native speakers and do well. I believe the first barrier of entry is purely psychological.
@@RedLine_Renesis It would flex the space time so lets settle with 2009 youtube vibes
Hi Felipe!!! Pay your attention for this (hiddenpalace Need for Speed Carbon (Aug 8 2006_Executable prototype))
I can not paste all link. But this is unplayable prototype for xbox downloaded in this month. I very wait your video about this.
Yea, I know about it. Its incomplete and unplayable
very incomplete. it also has files from builds that are months earlier (June and July 2006 (dates had to be guessed; don't take them as exact accurate dates))(i mean, by August 2006, game was very close to be finished, just some differences)
Can you do a Cheat for Gamecube NFS MW with Traffic cars please?
Felipe, vc sabe me dizer se já foi vazado em algum canto a demo de nfsc de ps3 que a IGN fez um video?
Não foi vazado em lugar algum infelizmente
@@379Felipe Entendi. E sobre um protótipo de 2006 do Xbox 360? Descobriu alguma coisa através dele?
Hope modders take this piece of code meow
They do.
Show us where is or is mod unused map?
This is real mystery ciry or not? And it would be cool if it was restarted.
no
Its not mystery city, it's very early Palmont downtown test, most likely to make handling tests and see how street layout play with new handling so it can be changed if needed. PS2/X360 Demo map was never a thing. Palmont was very inception as a drawing of its vista was identical to the final game.
All the district details included. Same with San Juan. Demo map is weird case of making a mockup so they can show features and tracks they wanted the most with least amount of space on the disk, and having some mininarrative going in it.
This is why san jaun, drift track and canyon are illogically slapped together in the middle of the city. While all surruounding of it are mangled bits of final Palmont.
Omagad carbon mystery city
real shit
yey
ola felipe,gostaria de saber se tem como instalar o mod open races no spark server offline?
O mod é apenas para o offline. Não serve para o online
Do you know any info about the Carbon online mod ?
It’s still being made.
@@DevinMillarDM thanks for info.
Jogo Tem Tambem NFS Most Wanted 2005 Unused Tracks
mas não temos os mapas delas
@@379Felipe Mas Eu Achei No Site
@@379Felipe Eu Olhei Tem Unused Tracks NFS Underground 2
are there any troughboundary files that go with these tracks?
yea
@@379Felipe are you able to send them? i might be able to generate an image with them
@@thulium5109 What is your Discord?
@@379Felipe þulim#9816
@@379Felipe hey felipe, i just wanted an update on the situation cos i havent heard back from you yet
let me know if youre having any issues getting in contact with me via discord
woah
Praise JaHova