Hello Eric, personally I like the position of the duck ventraly, mainly sure to the separation between the ASAP and duck, that way we have both a fall arrest application and work positioning. The manufacturer recommends with ventral or sterna, 800 and 500 respectively inclusive of connector. As to the benefit in rope access I don’t see much issue as the sitting position your typically in, verse your position in a climbing situation
Hi, thanks for sharing, what's your diameter and model name of your lanyard? It is difficult to bought dia11mm or above dynamic rope in climbing store, is it ok to use dynamic rope which is below dia 11mm but get the UIAA/ EN892? Many thanks.
It’s Marlow dynamic, we get it cut ti 2300mm lengths so you can choose the most suitable knot either end, ultimately the overall length being ushered reach, or when using the stec duck 800mm inclusive of connection
we use 10mm diameter ropes here , also the lanyards we make them from dynamic rope ..while your main rope and backup rope are static.(even the static is elastic a bit...just a bit ) :)
Irata require cowstails to be no longer than arms reach, and the manufacturer of the duck say 800mm including connector for that lanyards, so independent cowstails for us is best, I have never found the bulls nose or short connector useful Al att in my 23 years
Typically the length is arms reach, that's of course down to the user. Bearing in mind the potential fall distance, here in Australia Limited free fall distance is up to 600mm any more you need Fall arrest lanyards, so arms reach is close. The length of the backup is based on the manufacturer and that 800mm inclusive of the connector.
It's way to cluttered for me. Why didn't you use a bullnose for your lanyards? Shouldn't your secondary back-up be on your sternal D ring? Thanks for the video. I like to see how rope Tech's set up there harnesses around the world.
You need three lanyards, this is just one way, I personally run with two single lanyards and the third sits seperate on the gear loops and comes out when I need it, for level 1,s this seems to be the best way. We also send three lanyards at a fixed 2.3m length. I do however see the bulls nose used! We need to have all backups accessible so they either go on the front sterna or ventral Thanks for your comments
It’s industrial rope access mate, you have tow backup devices, and the reference to primary is the one I prefer, thanks for the basic and uneducated comments, hopefully your now educated
This type the international, has web elastic on the sides, you must thread the excess towards the back and pass the web elastic over the buckle, i find this ensures no slippage, i have over 100 of these in service and have had no issues with slippage doing this! I also feel the same about your comments prior to production
You can if you like but they are not flexible, meaning once its on it stays on, i like to be able to take gear on and off without having to unscrew a maillon 10 full turns... but yes its an option
Not sold on this set up, seems like a lot of messing about in comparison to a bullnose, like other people have mentioned it's cluttered. Plus figure eights at the ends just leave a huge knot.
Well we all have an opinion, for me in the 20 years using this it’s always worked, 8’s on the ends make for a universal knot and about 20mm bigger than a barrel knot that only hold the karabiner in the incorrect orientation. The bulls nose serves no purpose and I know of only a few training centres teaching this, and most who use this nose have no real use for it, Thanks for your comment though
@@chrisdavies5515 a bull nose is a lot easier when aid climbing or passing a re-belay, it's just shorter and it saves messing about having an alpine on your middle rope. Each to there own I guess
Figure 8s are an extremely common and standard termination; you haven’t mentioned the major advantage of a barrel - and it’s not because it’s “short”. A bullnose does not guarantee redundancy.
primary backup device ...secondary backup device ... this is a joke right? you need 2 backup devices? you plan into cutting the ropes? 1 backup is more than enough ...anyway probably the main rope should never break if proper used with protection over edges and stuff.
Hello Peter, thanks for your comments, but this is not an instructional video for beginners to gain a qualification. the idea is you already have a base knowledge, and this is for refreshing (confirmation), Like many of these videos they are reminders...
@@applusropeaccesstraining1179 alright please, u know sometimes even us beginners we always try to such instruction to gain experience, but thxs for information
Sir you are a very good teacher ❤️ lots off love
May you speak to the benefits of arresting a fall on your Ventral D compared to your Sternal D and why you chose that location for your lanyard/Duck?
Hello Eric, personally I like the position of the duck ventraly, mainly sure to the separation between the ASAP and duck, that way we have both a fall arrest application and work positioning.
The manufacturer recommends with ventral or sterna, 800 and 500 respectively inclusive of connector.
As to the benefit in rope access I don’t see much issue as the sitting position your typically in, verse your position in a climbing situation
Great training
good explanation, for a really useful setup
How would you attach these to a ferno centrepoint harness with the soft working loop?
Hi, thanks for sharing, what's your diameter and model name of your lanyard? It is difficult to bought dia11mm or above dynamic rope in climbing store, is it ok to use dynamic rope which is below dia 11mm but get the UIAA/ EN892? Many thanks.
It’s Marlow dynamic, we get it cut ti 2300mm lengths so you can choose the most suitable knot either end, ultimately the overall length being ushered reach, or when using the stec duck 800mm inclusive of connection
we use 10mm diameter ropes here , also the lanyards we make them from dynamic rope ..while your main rope and backup rope are static.(even the static is elastic a bit...just a bit ) :)
What is the advantage with this cows tails configuration? As opposed to the 4m rope with two ends for long cows tails and a short loop?
Irata require cowstails to be no longer than arms reach, and the manufacturer of the duck say 800mm including connector for that lanyards, so independent cowstails for us is best, I have never found the bulls nose or short connector useful Al att in my 23 years
Hello Chris,
I have a doubt on device lanyard.
Any standard length for that?
In IRATA ICOP they mentioned?
Thanks
Typically the length is arms reach, that's of course down to the user. Bearing in mind the potential fall distance, here in Australia Limited free fall distance is up to 600mm any more you need Fall arrest lanyards, so arms reach is close. The length of the backup is based on the manufacturer and that 800mm inclusive of the connector.
Surely just using a bullnose would be easier to have and barrels rather than figures on the tails
Redundancy with seperate knots, own preference as well, there’s not much between each and j find figure of eights are better than the fixed barrel
It's way to cluttered for me.
Why didn't you use a bullnose for your lanyards?
Shouldn't your secondary back-up be on your sternal D ring?
Thanks for the video. I like to see how rope Tech's set up there harnesses around the world.
You need three lanyards, this is just one way, I personally run with two single lanyards and the third sits seperate on the gear loops and comes out when I need it, for level 1,s this seems to be the best way.
We also send three lanyards at a fixed 2.3m length. I do however see the bulls nose used!
We need to have all backups accessible so they either go on the front sterna or ventral
Thanks for your comments
I learned bull's nose, but I like this 3 rope setup.
I wonder if you could just use the loop of the alpine butterfly as a shorter connection.
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How long is this lanyard/rope, 2 meter?
2.3m
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How never to do what? And what rescue you talking about
Good explanation sir🤝
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It’s industrial rope access mate, you have tow backup devices, and the reference to primary is the one I prefer, thanks for the basic and uneducated comments, hopefully your now educated
How do you get your waist straps to stay tight on that harness? I'm soo sick of Petzl like how did they not catch that before mass production?
This type the international, has web elastic on the sides, you must thread the excess towards the back and pass the web elastic over the buckle, i find this ensures no slippage, i have over 100 of these in service and have had no issues with slippage doing this! I also feel the same about your comments prior to production
Can we use maillon quick links for harness to attach the descenders and work on it
You can if you like but they are not flexible, meaning once its on it stays on, i like to be able to take gear on and off without having to unscrew a maillon 10 full turns... but yes its an option
Thanks for sharing 👍
Good explation
Not sold on this set up, seems like a lot of messing about in comparison to a bullnose, like other people have mentioned it's cluttered. Plus figure eights at the ends just leave a huge knot.
Well we all have an opinion, for me in the 20 years using this it’s always worked, 8’s on the ends make for a universal knot and about 20mm bigger than a barrel knot that only hold the karabiner in the incorrect orientation.
The bulls nose serves no purpose and I know of only a few training centres teaching this, and most who use this nose have no real use for it,
Thanks for your comment though
@@chrisdavies5515 a bull nose is a lot easier when aid climbing or passing a re-belay, it's just shorter and it saves messing about having an alpine on your middle rope. Each to there own I guess
Figure 8s are an extremely common and standard termination; you haven’t mentioned the major advantage of a barrel - and it’s not because it’s “short”. A bullnose does not guarantee redundancy.
@adaptivo yer it’s personal preference I guess
What is? Having redundancy in your lanyards? That’s subjective, but usually you’re bound by some kind of procedure or code of practice.
Very good its 1000
Sorry, what do you mean?
Hi sir
primary backup device ...secondary backup device ... this is a joke right? you need 2 backup devices? you plan into cutting the ropes? 1 backup is more than enough ...anyway probably the main rope should never break if proper used with protection over edges and stuff.
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For beginners your too fast they can hardly understand u very well, its seems your attention it was for those who knew already but thxs
Hello Peter, thanks for your comments, but this is not an instructional video for beginners to gain a qualification. the idea is you already have a base knowledge, and this is for refreshing (confirmation),
Like many of these videos they are reminders...
@@applusropeaccesstraining1179 alright please, u know sometimes even us beginners we always try to such instruction to gain experience, but thxs for information
Its obviously an overview video, if you want a slowed down and detailed how-to look elsewhere.
You can change settings and slow down videos champ. Great video!!