darktable ep 135 - New features in 4.6
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ย. 2024
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In this episode, we look at the new features in darktable 4.6.
Here's the link to the release notes:
www.darktable....
And here is the link to the in-depth explanation of sigmoid's new Primaries panel:
discuss.pixls....
00:00 teaser
00:22 intro
00:34 editing history
01:49 rgb primaries module
02:48 sigmoid primaries
03:43 liquify and retouch
04:54 partial screen redraws when zoomed in
06:22 cancel long import jobs
07:13 visualise raster masks
08:08 highlight reconstruction
09:01 filmstrip improvements in darkroom
09:52 how multiple paths are displayed
11:20 new collections search criteria
12:15 generate thumbnails in background
13:13 new variables
14:10 chroma subsampling for jpeg exports
15:25 Mac users only - use Command key for copy/paste
15:53 Mac users only - dt support for MacOS
16:22 wrap up
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Hey, the fact that I'm a Mac user does not mean I'm willing to shell out whatever the current monthly subscription price is for Lightroom. I've always used Darktable and that's not likely to change in the foreseeable future. Thanks for your work on this channel, it's one of the most valuable educational resources for me.
No problem!
Bruce, you are a gentleman doing the good work for us.
Haha. Thanks!
It is great to have you back! Wellcome back to the TH-cam world.
Thanks mate!
Thank you for darktable's videos Bruce, they have helped me a lot in developing edits of my photographs, I'm still at the beginning, but thanks to your videos I have achieved good results.
Great to hear!
Thanks Bruce for all this information 🎉
My pleasure!
Merci beaucoup
No problem! :)
Looking forward to your next investigation. Thanks for now.
Cheers!
Thank you for this update!
No problem!
Thanks Bruce, some interesting additions.
No problem... that's what I'm here for! :)
Thanks for the video Bruce and glad to see you back and active. I’ve made a list of chapters for you. Feel free to paste the following into your description and change the wording if you wish:
Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:35 #1 - Auto save interval
01:49 #2 - RGB Primaries
02:49 #3 - Sigmoid new RGB primaries panel
03:45 #4 - Access to crop area from liquify and retouch
04:54 #5 - Performance improvement on pan & zoom
06:23 #6 - Cancel long import task
07:14 #7 - Visualise raster masks
08:09 #8 - Highlight reconstruction for JPEGs
09:02 #9 - Filmstrip manipulation in Darkroom view
09:53 #10 - Mask manager tweaks
11:20 #11 - New parameters in Lightroom search criteria
12:15 #12 - Changes to thumbnail generation
13:13 #13 - Two new text variables
14:10 #14 - Change to JPEG exporting
15:26 #15 - Changes to Mac version of Darktable
16:23 Outro
Mate, thanks for that! But I already have the chapters in the description! Click the '''...more" button.
Dear Bruce, a Happy New Year for you and yours!
Thank's for this clear overview.
For the statistics: I'm a Mac user.
Greetings, Thomas
Thanks Thomas. Happy New Year to you too!
Thank you so much!
You're welcome!
I am switching from LightRoom to darktable and your videos have been the main ingredient to my success. The feature I have not been able to replicate in darktable is red eye removal. Would you consider a future video demonstrating how this is done? Thanks and keep up the good work!
Great idea. I could do that.
In the mean time, colour balance rgb module, with a drawn mask over the iris, and then use the hue shift slider to correct the colour.
Just to show that there might be a greater interest for the red eye removal like it worked in Lightroom: Me too has moved from Lightroom to Darktable and even if my path started with TJ Free I ended up on your channel and is very pleased. But as @jeffmeyers8726 points out I haven’t found a smooth way for red eye removal yet. I’ve laborated with masks with ok results but the way there was not smooth. So, thank you @jeffmeyers8726 for a good comment and thank you Bruce for a great channel! (By the way, I’m on both Windows and Linux with Windows as my main system.)
Thanks Bruce, good intro to 4.6. (BTW my DT on Windows 10 crashes quite a lot!)
Thanks. Sorry, not sure what to tell you about windoze... I'd love to leave it forever, but I need it for my audio work. That's all I do with it these days. Everything else is on linux.
Thanks, Bruce. Just an idea: when you do your video on sigmoid, maybe you can get into comparisons with the (old? classic?) filmic rgb workflow, including the (new) option to make sigmoid the default for new images
Before I can do THAT video justice, I need to read up on the changes to FilmicRGB. I'm fairly certain Aurélien has developed it further since I last looked at it in depth.
Nice video Bruce..As for the primaries its very similar to what Adobe calls camera calibration. If you think of the colorspace/gamut triange that you see and think of the slider in the module for hue as rotating those in one direction or the other and the purity sliders are akin to saturation so you are moving those points closer to the center ie the white point and farther out so fully saturated ie to pure blue etc. Finally the tint lets you more or less shift the white point position in that triangle... So your tweaking the overall color space impacting all the colors by redifining what is red what is blue what is green and what is white... Its really powerful to deal with skin tones, concert or other lighting and you can make subtle hue rotations and bump or attenuate saturation in a fairly predictable way. Primaries lets you bump and attenuate where as the sigmoid sliders are more about attenuation for lighting.... One main difference is you can specify working primaries in the sigmoid module and so use it as a sort of gamut control.... eg for srgb output you can use those and the module will correctly bring things back to the working space but in gamut so the output profile doesn't have to work so hard.... THe smooth preset is a small set of tweaks offered to provide as best as can a universal setting for nice color tranisitions..... have fun.... One thing you can do to see this thing is take an image of a color checker. Crop to the primary row of 6 colors ie reg green blue cyan magenta yellow.... set the histogram to the vectorscope and set it to show the selection on that... you will get 6 dots of color aligned in the vector scope losely oriented to each node...now you can play with the sliders and see how things move.... have fun....
Thanks for this. I'll investigate.
Hi Bruce, Thank you for all of your videos on darktable. I am fairly new to darktable, your videos have been extremely helpful in this huge learning curve. I am just now getting a flow with my pictures. I have dt v 4.2. I am a hobbyist photographer. Are the changes from v 4.2 to 4.6 worth my time and effort? If I change to the newer version what do I need to do with my collections in order to save them? Thank you for any suggestions you can offer. Karen
Karen, thanks for the kind words.
As for the differences between 4.2 and 4.6, I would suggest that you google "darktable 4.x release notes" (change the x to whichever version you're interested in. The devs put out release notes for each version, and that is your quickest summary of what has changed between versions.
Alternatively, you can watch my "new features" videos.
Apart from the new RGB primaries module, and primaries in Sigmoid, I don't remember all the new stuff in 4.6, and as for 4.4... well, that was 7 MONTHS ago!! I can't be expected to remember THAT far back! :)
Yeah, check the release notes. That's your best bet.
Cheers.
Great video, thanks! I see you are using MX Linux now. Great distro!
Yes I am! So far, so good.
Thanks for the summary!!
Anyone know what's the keyboard shortcut for moving left or right on the filmstrip while on darkroom?
No problem. Not sure of a keyboard shortcut for navigating the film strip... I just use the mouse wheel.
spacebar moves forward and backspace takes you back.
D'oh! Yes, of course! :)
Wow! Your channel is epic! I'm currently debating whether to switch to Lightroom or continue using Darktable as I'm a newbie. If I were a professional, I'd probably switch to Lightroom for the time-saving benefits in photo editing and the high performance now available with AI. However, as you mentioned earlier, the commercial model can be a barrier if you're not a professional. So, it's fine to spend more time with Darktable. My question is whether we can achieve the same results with Darktable. I'm a fan of photography pages on Facebook, and I'm far from achieving results as good as the ones I see there (when I inquire about the post-processing, 90% of the time Lightroom is mentioned). I mainly use a D750 and a Nikkor 24-70mm, which I think is not a bad combo, but I've never managed to achieve results like the ones I've seen. I understand that there's a learning curve for Darktable, and I just discovered your channel today, but I'd appreciate your advice in terms of comparing results, given your tremendous knowledge of Darktable. Thank you for this channel!
Thanks for the kind words.
Having now spent about 8 years with darktable, I genuinely believe that MOST lightroom users don't know the first thing about colour science. I knew nothing when I started on darktable, and in the time since, I've probably learned about 20% of what I need to know.
Most lightroom stuff has saturation cranked beyond what is reasonable, and over-sharpened out the wahzoo.
But to your notion of "I don't get results like some of the stuff I see done in lightroom"...
Let's agree that the majority of PROFESSIONAL photographers in the world (and serious hobbyists as well) all use lightroom. The LR market share is, without exaggeration, millions of photographers. The dt market share is maybe 10-20 thousand (at a guess.... I don't know what the actual number is).
So let's assume that for photographers at ANY level, there's probably 100,000 times as many using LR as there are using dt. Then, you factor in the social media algorithms that promote high-engagement photos, and demote low-engagement photos... it stands to reason that based on sheer numbers alone, even the best work done in darktable (btw, darktable is ALWAYS spelled in lowercase) is almost never going to surface above the sheer weight of images cranked out of lightroom.
Just my theory, anyway.
@@audio2u Thank you for taking the time to respond to my thoughts on darktable and LR. I will delve into the extensive guide you've provided for the passionate community. What I've gathered from your response and others I've seen is that there isn't a single best tool, but rather different approaches and philosophies. David has his place alongside the LR Goliath. Thank you Sir!
David and Goliath is a very apt analogy!
9:52 it also works in Map and in Lighttable timeline.
Good to know! Thanks.
Thanks Bruce. Off-topic question but what made you move from Linux Mint?
I don't recall the specifics, but it was something to do with one of the darktable dependencies needing to be newer than the mint version of that same dependency. Obviously it's not affecting everyone else, so I'm not sure exactly why I had to move distro. It was recommended by someone who was helping me out at the time.
Good one. Nice to have a brief overview of the new features. In respect of the filmstrip. I have not been able to see my filmstrip in the darkroom for about a year. I collapse and expand the bottom area but it is just a blank space. It is a bit of a pain and I thought maybe an update would bring it back. More searching necessary,
And you've tried control+f?
@@audio2u I might have done. I've tried various but I gave up trying to fix it. I'll try again. Thanks.
Yes, now tested that and it brings up or collapses the bottom section which is completely blank. @@audio2u
I'm using 4.6 on Linux Manjaro. On my Mac where I have an older version (4.2 I think the bottom section does bring up the film roll). As an aside I have always used Cmd in the place of CTRL on Mac, also just did this to confirm that I wasn't misremembering.
Hmmm, weird. Sorry, I don't have any other suggestions, short of raising an issue on the github page.
I know this is a bit niche for a video, but how do you create a frame?style? with the right crop to upload pictures to Instagram
For framing, you can use the framing module, or if you're on 4.8, the new Enlarge Canvas module.
As for styles, find an image where you've created the various attributes you want to save to a style. Go to the lighttable view/styles module, and select 'new'. It will bring up the history of the currently selected image. Select the modules from that image's history to create you Style.
Happy DT on mac user here. You can't get around the fact that Apple has really compelling laptop hardware right now.
Each to their own. I've never been a fan of Apple, particularly in the days of Steve "Play By My Rules Or Don't Play At All" Jobs. :)
The inability to customize the OS to your liking being a big one. This was especially true of iOS, which is why I became an Android devotee.
But if you like the hardware, then more power to you!
Is that MX Linux I see? How do you find that for a photo editing / production distro?
Yes, it is! So far, I'm liking it a lot.
@@audio2u Sounds good!
As an update it looks like Kubuntu 24.04 has broken some of my workflow essential appimages, so I think I'll end up going to MX Linux KDE!
Thanks for your video. How come you are using a developlment version 4.7 instead of version 4.6? Did you experience any significant problem with the 4.6 version (I had a problem with the recursive import function for instance)?
I generally try to stay on the dev version just so I can be aware of new features that are coming, and so I can talk about them without sounding like I only saw it 5 mins before hitting 'record'!
No issues with 4.6 at all.
It took me a month to figure out that the recursive import is broken in version 4.6...
Really? It's working for me. Not that that helps you though. Not sure why it should be that way. Which OS?
4.6 Windows version
Hmmm, interesting. I've not had issues, but I'm on mx linux. I would definitely recommend posting on pixls.us in the darktable forum, and see whether anyone else is having this issue.
Hi Bruce
I'm new to darktable, when I import Raw file images they turn grey on the darkroom editing module and when I press the light and when I press the lighttable I'm able to see the pictures. What seems to be the problem ?
Sorry... you "press the light"?
@audio2u I'm not certain of that option, on the lighttable option I'm able to see how the raw file look like and not on the darkroom option.
Sorry, I don't understand.
I suspect that what you are asking about is the way that you can import a photo into darktable and it looks like the in-camera image in the lighttable view, but when you switch to the darkroom view, it's different. Is that what you mean?
@audio2u yes the darkroom is different. I only see a light grey grainy picture (no detail of image like in lighttable.
When you import a raw file into darktable, the Lightroom preview uses the in-camera jpeg.
But when you open the raw file in the darkroom, darktable discards the in-camera jpeg and shows you the raw file with no processing.
It's up to you to process the raw file to get the look that you want.
Hi Bruce .. I watched ep 135 alongside Dt on the other screen .. nothing seemed to match up .. Then I noticed you're demonstrating on V4.7 .. but the latest one I have is 4.6 and is downloadable..is 4.6... Is 4.7 still to be issued and youre previewing 4.7 or what ??? .. Many thanks for your efforts.. Paul
In the land of darktable, every stable release has an even number (4.2, 4.4, 4.6, etc).
In between each stable release, the dev version uses an odd number (4.3, 4.5, 4.7, etc). I generally use the dev version, but there really shouldn't have been that much different between 4.6 and my 4.7 version. What did you see that was different?
Thank you for clearing that up.. It seems that the next stable version V4.8 - will have these features plus more maybe... the video using v4.7 clearly previews some of those Regards to all@@audio2u
7:01 the cross was already there but, if you pressed it, nothing would happen.
Ahhh, interesting. Again, I thought the feature had been there previously.
Mr Williams good evening.
i have installed 4.6.1 on my debian distro.
Can i ask you why i use cut module and export to jpeg ,the final file is Completely black.
i 've tried many times ,when i disable cut module ,the software export very well.
thanks for the reply and complimenti per i suoi video.
sorry for my bad english!!!
Diego
Sorry, but I have no idea what the "cut module" is.
Thanks for your reply,I solved the problem, reinstalled the nvidia drivers and all went well😃😃.
thank you for your great work, I learned a lot from you!!
Good bye.
Great result! And thanks.
Great video. But what is this Linux distribution?
Thanks. I'm now on MX Linux.
@@audio2u thanks a lot man. I love your videos. I got really impressed with your technical knowledge in Darktable. Here in Brazil I stay tuned to your videos.
Thank you for the kind words. I love learning new stuff, and I enjoy sharing whatever I can with those who are keen to learn as well.
th-cam.com/video/PLF4ppM_V8I/w-d-xo.htmlsi=NehBZXXKLFy5dEfP&t=286 except that you are retouching pixels outside of the cropped area with px from inside the cropped area 😀 never mind: got the point anyhow. Looking forward for the next one!
Hahaha. Yeah, I should have used an image where source and destination were a bit more obvious! :)
12:13 sorry, but they are not new at all.
Funny, as I was recording it, I was thinking that this was not a new feature. I wonder why it was in the release notes?