Well it’s fine to feel this way and that way about what you want to wear. I’m the same boat that I wish guys had more clothes we can wear. My main problem is when you start to make claims about yourself that is not factually true like ‘I’m a woman’ when you are in every other way a man. And also the 100+ various genders out, like WTF people? I miss the days where it was simply, a guy was just very gentle and a girl was just very boyish. Like my sister was boyish, I didn’t care for her to wear a dress as it made her very shy. She can wear it now as she find styles that fit her. When they are a girl, they will find their own time to be girly. There’s no need to force.
Yes, the labels have gotten out of hand. As a boyish sister myself, I find so many parallels between myself and trans men. But I have actually accepted myself for who I am and live without a care for how others see me, where they stress over the validation they desire for something they cannot have.
Yes, all these gender labels make a mockery out of gender. I can see if someone is trans and wants to transition to live as the opposite gender/sex. Other than that, I like the label "gender nonconforming", and leave irt at that. Making up 100 new genders, just makes a mockery out of the whole concept of gender.
Not so quick. Masculinity and femininity are closely associated with biological sex (male/female), but there are exceptions. A small fraction of a percent in society are trans men/women. and another fraction of a percent are intersex (Turners & Klinefelters) that are arbitrarily assigned boy or girl at birth. Of course, for most people, men are male and women are female. Some societies have a 3rd gender like "lady boys" or "berdache", but for most cultures, it's just men and women.
My stance on this: Gender is a topic of biology that has manifested itself in society through stereotypes assigned to the two genders. There are people who don't identify with the stereotypes assigned to their gender and they will say that they feel like the opposite gender or at times rather not feel like any of these genders. Now, there arises a problem: When you say you don't feel like a man: What is that even supposed to mean? How do you know what it feels like to be a man or a woman? Have you compared it and found out the specific differences in how it feels? You cannot know. You cannot even know wether there is a male or female feeling or not. I will accept you saying that you want to BE a woman and live your only life as a woman. But don't come up to me telling me you FEEL like a woman, because that doesn't make any sense. What one often hears is that well, there was a difference in gender and sex, what I am talking about was sex, not gender. Gender would be your social, your spiritual association to male, female or whatever it might be. But this would imply that there is a soul of yours seperate to your body, which is neither scientifically nor even philosophically proven. And now even assigning to it, something that is not even known to exist, a gender is rediculous. This idea is solely based on the assumption that, for there are people whose supposed identity does not match with their physiology, there must be something else. However, it might aswell just be an error. A point that you have made was that there was a tribe that did not accept a female biologist as a woman dispite acknologing all the biological indicators of her being a woman. But this does not mean that there now would be something sociological that determines your gender, it only indicates that the sociological perception of your gender may divert from biological reality, yet perception will always remain perception and cannot change reality. This is rather a prove that gender in society is only a matter of stereotypes, as the woman's behavior did not match with the tribe's expectations for how a woman behaves or dresses.
While I agree that stereotypes and expectations assigned to gender often play a role in some cases, gender dysmorphia (in a physical sense) does play a part for sure. Some people with gender dysphoria literally report feeling like parts of their body are "wrong" and that feeling goes away post-operation. This doesn't necessitate the existence of a soul. We currently do not know the physical basis of gender dysphoria, however one of the current hypotheses is that there are male/female brain structures and dysphoria may be caused by a mismatch between biological sex and the sex implied by those brain structures. This would not require the existence of a soul. Ultimately I don't understand it, nor do you. But not understanding it is not the same as it not existing or being "real" in any sense. I also cannot fathom how someone can fail to believe that gender is a social construct different from biological sex, but I know they exist and I believe they are being genuine in their arguments. I don't claim they are only pretending not to see the difference because it's a conservative social fad. Regarding your description of gender stereotypes, I personally feel that the important part isn't our perception of these stereotypes, but rather the sociological cost you have to pay to violate them. In her video, Cam specifically mentioned the fact that it's considered "perverted" for a cis-man to want to wear women's clothing. Or the fact that we divide men and women's bathroom and sports. You are welcome to think that these norms are justified, but they are still sociological norms. There is no fundamental biological reason why men and women don't use the same public toilets. Until relatively recently, it was common knowledge in western society that men were the breadwinners and women were the homemakers, and anyone who wanted to break that mold had to pay a price. As long as there is a social price to pay for violating gender norms, these norms are more than just a perception. They are more than simple stereotypes.
I like this video. Youre right, gender is just sterotypes.. and its down to the invidual how much they internalize or believe in those sterotyoes. As a Gen X i grew up in a generation where men wore skirts and eyeliner and women wore boxers and could beat up your dad, we didnt need identity labels to validate our choices and we didnt need social affirmation. I find it facinating to watch the younger generations reigniting belief in the binary traditional sterotypes, and how they also project that onto the rest of society by requesting validation.
Reminds me of my like one year of college where I did a sociology class and learned about the concept of trans people for the first time. I grew upevery closed off from lgbt people and didn't even know a gay person until I was 19. The teacher explained how gender and race are social constructs and was very pro lgbt. I was about people doing whatever made them feel good but also was like "if this is all a social construct, why people so ride-or-die for a social construct?" I identify as a man but have never done things because I am a man. No desire to wear dresses but it is never because "girls do that and boys do this." But I guess relating it to race, which is a social construct I feel very connected to. I can see how a person struggling with gender could feel. But it still seems like creating these boxes are so unnecessary. Like if you want to wear dresses and makeup just do that. But I get that these labels provide community for these people
The way I see it the only reason to separate the concepts of sex and gender is to politicise them. As has been pointed out in other comments most other cultures don't even bother differentiating between the two. There's also the point that if something is based on a phenotype then it is biological in nature, not a social construct. Just because something is biological does not mean any one person is better or worse than any other and it's about time that people focused more on their individuality and self confidence as opposed to what flag they want to fly and blindly defend that day. I'm pretty sure practically no one has ever made a decision purely because of their sex/gender, but the hormones your body produces will affect how someone makes their decisions. I completely agree with your second last sentence though. I understand the empathy in not wanting people to be outcasts, but finding a like minded community isn't really the same thing as forging good relationships. I guess the way I would put it is that friends bring love and groups bring agendas.
Yeah, they tend to overthink what they want. As a female, Ive never had an issue wearing mens clothes and rejecting most of the feminine stuff when I was young. I didnt think about my gender, I just wanted to do what I wanted. When these people focus on labels, it becomes shallow and superficial
You say gender, I think you mean gender roles and traits. A trans man is still female, but has masculine characteristics that almost make them appear as men. Her sex is female, her "gender" is that of someone that is female that identifies as a man (trans man) and how she would express this is by being masculine. But isnt that in itself sexist? To say that a masculine female is therefore more likely to be male just reinforces sexist stereotypes. Same to say that a feminine man may be trans. But there are inherent differences between men and women that will never be erased. There is a natural power dynamic between males and females. It can vary from culture to culture and in different species, but these things are still considered separate. When you are hype focused on gender, it confuses people, I agree on that.
Yes. It is definitely sexist for females to think that because they do stereotypically male things that they ate male. Vice versa for men. But that is trans ideology. It's inherently sexist.
@jebdoublej No sexism is stereotypes and discrimination because of one's sex. Eg, girls can wear dresses but boys shouldn't, or men work harder and should get paid more.
I feel like far too often in these conversations/debates/screaming matches that aesthetics are the driving factor behind a lot of it, and I don't think that's really the best base to be starting from. Lassy in the video mentioned herself that the idea that she has male clothing in her closet somehow holds weight by itself and I honestly don't see why it should. I'm male, even though I never talk like this, I identify as a man but I have rather long hair and I'm reasonably short being 5'5". Both of those aesthetic descriptions are regarded more as female yet nothing about them stops me being a man, so why would simply dressing a certain way all of a sudden make you something different than you were? I also feel it's worth pointing out that the more fractured this new vague way to view gender is the more people seem to be regressing back to blind ideological thinking, and that benefits no one but the groups filling up their ranks.
You can tell gender by the hip structure. Men and women have 2 different bone structures where as women have a wider hip displacement for giving birth. But that's just science.
The people that replied earlier than me, really dont understand wtf you just said. lol Though, they are right in the video. Gender doesnt really mean what you were born as? Its a social construct that blah blah blah. Its just that... Sex is the correct word to use, but people dont like using it. It is akin to Cunt in cuss words. Its dirty. I believe the victorian era plays a huge part in this, because sex is generally looked at as dirty, perverse, unspeakable stuff. So even the shear mention of the world "sex" is just... icky and gross. So people use Gender to mean Sex. Changing this is going to be like Neo learning that hes a Battery when hes 20 and not 5. The brain cant really handle that change. Of course, people do the same thing for Talent and Skill. Talent being something you are innately born with and Skill being something you studied and practiced to learn. THough, over the decades those words have shifted to mean the exact same thing. This just happens to be the most modern push to separate Gender from Sex and its got a leg to stand on because of the other pushes that the LGBT Community (Reads: Activist) have been trying for.
For most of the world, gender is the same as sex. Many languages don't even distinguish these two. It's a set of physical and psychological components used to define and identify the role. The truth is that people should be themselves. It means being woman, man, tomboy, crossdreser etc. And be accomplished and safe in that role. American society is fixated on sexuality, in really weird ways. So many taboos, strange prudity but everything is overly sexualized. American culture, has problem with acceptance, that is trying to fix by redefining words making it into even worse problem and spreading it to the world in popculture. There's no need to question the gender, there's need to accept people differences and uniqueness.
It is far deeper than gender. Sex is the physical form you are born with. Gender is the adopted societal things that have varied throughout history and culture. Like Cam said in the video, clothing and how you are perceived and taken. Girls generally having long hair and men having shorter hair is a gender role. These things change. At one point pink was masculine but now it is seen as feminine
#1 - gender is very much associated with biological sex. There are plenty of traits that you can see in every culture that are definitely masculine or feminine, even if the cultural expressions of gender roles are different. Women do tend to be more maternal, and men do tend to respond better to physical danger & hardship. Gender nonconformity exists, but is rarely if ever the rule. So gender does not exist in a vacuum separate from biology. #2 - The social experiences of men & women are different. Trans men/women transition so that they can be seen as the gender they identify with. Gender involves social experiences that are just as important as one's personal identity. #3 - So gender is tied to biological sex, personal identity and social experience. It does not exist in a vacuum as personal identity alone. Gender nonconformity should be accepted, but don't expect everyone around you to automatically accept you as being a gender you deem for yourself that has not been understood by society. I can see us officially recognizing a 3rd nonbinary gender category, but that will take effort to change society's view of gender. Society is starting to accept gender nonconformity, though, so that is encouraging.
Like you said, society treats males and females differently and trans don't escape this. They have the same social construct. A boy who wears dresses gets treated like a boy who wears dresses not like a girl. A girl who plays with trucks and plays football get treated like a girl who like trucks and plays football, not like a boy who does those things. All females have a similar social construct to each other, as do all males. The only difference between trans and the rest of us is thinking gender is stereotypes. A male can't actually know what a woman feels they can only guess based on their stereotypes. Gender is a binary.
@@mjones8170 Some societies have a 3rd gender category, which is a social construct, not based on biological sex. That's not the case with our society. You're right that the gender binary is the rule. Only trans individuals that transition can really have the experiences of the opposite sex. I'm glad we agree that a gender nonconforming individual is still constrained by the experiences of the gender binary. Most of the self identified nonbinary individuals don't get it that they are still constrained by this gender binary.
We believe in Cameron Baba supremacy in this household. Glad you're back, Cam. Feedback on your cis-guy friend that likes wearing women clothing, that's actually quite normal. Some guys enjoy being their masculine self but there's something with wearing the opposite gender's clothing that makes them feel special/attractive/nice about it. It doesn't have to be a sexual thing, it just feels nice.
I don't think it's morally wrong to wear clothing of the opposite gender, but it isn't normal. What's normal is man dressing like men and women dressing like women. Also, there is no such thing as "cis."
@@matthewatwood8641 nah man, what isn't normal is caring what other people wear or not wear, and then being upset about it. Let people wear anything regardless of gender.
@@farasapt6579 I think people should be able to wear what they want to, but that doesn't make dressing like the opposite sex normal. Normal is what's typical. People typically dress according to their sex. It is absolutely normal for people to be concerned what others are wearing. I think that getting upset about it betrays a lack of maturity, & think most people would not.
@@farasapt6579I'd say caring about what other people wear is quite normal. We do it everyday with every new impression of any person we meet. Especially if they're eccentrically dressed. The deviancy of one's attire respective to their sex is not illegal. It's not morally indecent. From an outside perspective, it's a question on whether that person's health. Are they virtuously wearing that attire for any other means besides some whim on an aesthetic they're unsure of? (Narcissism would be a half-decent answer) Or are they dressing compulsively because they're insecure in themselves? It's normal to judge people, especially if they're our friends or someone we care about.
That’s a new term, “Gender abolitionist.” Is that Thea of removing the focus and overall idea of gender in our society and culture and progress to one that focuses on sex (not the act) instead?
Male clothing is pretty plain. So a girl wearing something made for a guy doesn't really stand out, it just looks loose fitting. It's modest, even. Female clothing is usually highly specific to a feminine physique. Highlighting physical aspects that are appealing, so a male wearing that is jarring.
I was literally just thinking to myself the other day how women are never referred to as crossdressers. If they dress like boys, at most they get called tomboys. And while there are certainly girls out there who have mothers that would/will force them to dress more feminine, society as a whole generally has no issues with girls or women dressing like boys, but the second it's the other way around it's wrong. People should be able to dress how they want.
They should... But we're humans, and animals mostly. Doing what we want is limited to the place where what we do affect other people.. So we can do what we want but it has consequences that we don't want to face.
I agree for the most part, though there will always be different expectations between the sexes. There are things that women can do that men cant and that men can do and women cant. I mean, if a man hits a woman, most anyone will intervene. But when a woman is hitting a man, people will stay out of it. If a woman is crying, most will want to help. If a man is crying, not many will step in, and many, men and women, may mock him for this. Its normal to see a man doing the physical labor while a woman is sitting nearby. But if you say a wife doing the hard work while the man didnt join in, youd likely want the man to do something. Most women expect men to pay for dates. There are a lot of differences between us and some we simply cannot change. Men will always be expected to be stronger than women and that isnt a bad thing. Everyone should be strong in any way they can be. But men are expected have more
The only reason why this is a topic is because life is too easy ..wait till things get hard and all of this fairy dust goes out the window
Well it’s fine to feel this way and that way about what you want to wear. I’m the same boat that I wish guys had more clothes we can wear.
My main problem is when you start to make claims about yourself that is not factually true like ‘I’m a woman’ when you are in every other way a man. And also the 100+ various genders out, like WTF people?
I miss the days where it was simply, a guy was just very gentle and a girl was just very boyish.
Like my sister was boyish, I didn’t care for her to wear a dress as it made her very shy. She can wear it now as she find styles that fit her. When they are a girl, they will find their own time to be girly. There’s no need to force.
Yes, the labels have gotten out of hand. As a boyish sister myself, I find so many parallels between myself and trans men. But I have actually accepted myself for who I am and live without a care for how others see me, where they stress over the validation they desire for something they cannot have.
Yes, all these gender labels make a mockery out of gender. I can see if someone is trans and wants to transition to live as the opposite gender/sex. Other than that, I like the label "gender nonconforming", and leave irt at that. Making up 100 new genders, just makes a mockery out of the whole concept of gender.
Love that you submit full TH-cam ready videos for school assignments
@@illegalsmirf What's sad is how much of a lame you are
Gender isnt a weird topic its really pretty easy. Male and Female thats it.
Not so quick. Masculinity and femininity are closely associated with biological sex (male/female), but there are exceptions. A small fraction of a percent in society are trans men/women. and another fraction of a percent are intersex (Turners & Klinefelters) that are arbitrarily assigned boy or girl at birth. Of course, for most people, men are male and women are female. Some societies have a 3rd gender like "lady boys" or "berdache", but for most cultures, it's just men and women.
From an 18th Century dictionary. Gender: type or sort wrt sex.
My stance on this:
Gender is a topic of biology that has manifested itself in society through stereotypes assigned to the two genders. There are people who don't identify with the stereotypes assigned to their gender and they will say that they feel like the opposite gender or at times rather not feel like any of these genders.
Now, there arises a problem: When you say you don't feel like a man: What is that even supposed to mean? How do you know what it feels like to be a man or a woman? Have you compared it and found out the specific differences in how it feels? You cannot know. You cannot even know wether there is a male or female feeling or not. I will accept you saying that you want to BE a woman and live your only life as a woman. But don't come up to me telling me you FEEL like a woman, because that doesn't make any sense.
What one often hears is that well, there was a difference in gender and sex, what I am talking about was sex, not gender. Gender would be your social, your spiritual association to male, female or whatever it might be. But this would imply that there is a soul of yours seperate to your body, which is neither scientifically nor even philosophically proven. And now even assigning to it, something that is not even known to exist, a gender is rediculous. This idea is solely based on the assumption that, for there are people whose supposed identity does not match with their physiology, there must be something else. However, it might aswell just be an error.
A point that you have made was that there was a tribe that did not accept a female biologist as a woman dispite acknologing all the biological indicators of her being a woman. But this does not mean that there now would be something sociological that determines your gender, it only indicates that the sociological perception of your gender may divert from biological reality, yet perception will always remain perception and cannot change reality. This is rather a prove that gender in society is only a matter of stereotypes, as the woman's behavior did not match with the tribe's expectations for how a woman behaves or dresses.
While I agree that stereotypes and expectations assigned to gender often play a role in some cases, gender dysmorphia (in a physical sense) does play a part for sure. Some people with gender dysphoria literally report feeling like parts of their body are "wrong" and that feeling goes away post-operation. This doesn't necessitate the existence of a soul. We currently do not know the physical basis of gender dysphoria, however one of the current hypotheses is that there are male/female brain structures and dysphoria may be caused by a mismatch between biological sex and the sex implied by those brain structures. This would not require the existence of a soul.
Ultimately I don't understand it, nor do you. But not understanding it is not the same as it not existing or being "real" in any sense. I also cannot fathom how someone can fail to believe that gender is a social construct different from biological sex, but I know they exist and I believe they are being genuine in their arguments. I don't claim they are only pretending not to see the difference because it's a conservative social fad.
Regarding your description of gender stereotypes, I personally feel that the important part isn't our perception of these stereotypes, but rather the sociological cost you have to pay to violate them. In her video, Cam specifically mentioned the fact that it's considered "perverted" for a cis-man to want to wear women's clothing. Or the fact that we divide men and women's bathroom and sports. You are welcome to think that these norms are justified, but they are still sociological norms. There is no fundamental biological reason why men and women don't use the same public toilets. Until relatively recently, it was common knowledge in western society that men were the breadwinners and women were the homemakers, and anyone who wanted to break that mold had to pay a price. As long as there is a social price to pay for violating gender norms, these norms are more than just a perception. They are more than simple stereotypes.
I like this video. Youre right, gender is just sterotypes.. and its down to the invidual how much they internalize or believe in those sterotyoes. As a Gen X i grew up in a generation where men wore skirts and eyeliner and women wore boxers and could beat up your dad, we didnt need identity labels to validate our choices and we didnt need social affirmation. I find it facinating to watch the younger generations reigniting belief in the binary traditional sterotypes, and how they also project that onto the rest of society by requesting validation.
Reminds me of my like one year of college where I did a sociology class and learned about the concept of trans people for the first time. I grew upevery closed off from lgbt people and didn't even know a gay person until I was 19. The teacher explained how gender and race are social constructs and was very pro lgbt. I was about people doing whatever made them feel good but also was like "if this is all a social construct, why people so ride-or-die for a social construct?" I identify as a man but have never done things because I am a man. No desire to wear dresses but it is never because "girls do that and boys do this." But I guess relating it to race, which is a social construct I feel very connected to. I can see how a person struggling with gender could feel. But it still seems like creating these boxes are so unnecessary. Like if you want to wear dresses and makeup just do that. But I get that these labels provide community for these people
Gender ideology is insidious & completely made up. It is not based on anything real or legit. You your instincts are dead on right.
The way I see it the only reason to separate the concepts of sex and gender is to politicise them. As has been pointed out in other comments most other cultures don't even bother differentiating between the two. There's also the point that if something is based on a phenotype then it is biological in nature, not a social construct. Just because something is biological does not mean any one person is better or worse than any other and it's about time that people focused more on their individuality and self confidence as opposed to what flag they want to fly and blindly defend that day. I'm pretty sure practically no one has ever made a decision purely because of their sex/gender, but the hormones your body produces will affect how someone makes their decisions. I completely agree with your second last sentence though.
I understand the empathy in not wanting people to be outcasts, but finding a like minded community isn't really the same thing as forging good relationships. I guess the way I would put it is that friends bring love and groups bring agendas.
Yeah, they tend to overthink what they want. As a female, Ive never had an issue wearing mens clothes and rejecting most of the feminine stuff when I was young. I didnt think about my gender, I just wanted to do what I wanted. When these people focus on labels, it becomes shallow and superficial
how is race a feckin social construct hahahaha omg
You say gender, I think you mean gender roles and traits. A trans man is still female, but has masculine characteristics that almost make them appear as men. Her sex is female, her "gender" is that of someone that is female that identifies as a man (trans man) and how she would express this is by being masculine. But isnt that in itself sexist? To say that a masculine female is therefore more likely to be male just reinforces sexist stereotypes. Same to say that a feminine man may be trans.
But there are inherent differences between men and women that will never be erased. There is a natural power dynamic between males and females. It can vary from culture to culture and in different species, but these things are still considered separate.
When you are hype focused on gender, it confuses people, I agree on that.
Sexism means the differences between the TWO genders, and there are differences
Yes. It is definitely sexist for females to think that because they do stereotypically male things that they ate male. Vice versa for men. But that is trans ideology. It's inherently sexist.
@jebdoublej No sexism is stereotypes and discrimination because of one's sex. Eg, girls can wear dresses but boys shouldn't, or men work harder and should get paid more.
I feel like far too often in these conversations/debates/screaming matches that aesthetics are the driving factor behind a lot of it, and I don't think that's really the best base to be starting from. Lassy in the video mentioned herself that the idea that she has male clothing in her closet somehow holds weight by itself and I honestly don't see why it should. I'm male, even though I never talk like this, I identify as a man but I have rather long hair and I'm reasonably short being 5'5". Both of those aesthetic descriptions are regarded more as female yet nothing about them stops me being a man, so why would simply dressing a certain way all of a sudden make you something different than you were? I also feel it's worth pointing out that the more fractured this new vague way to view gender is the more people seem to be regressing back to blind ideological thinking, and that benefits no one but the groups filling up their ranks.
Yep, clothing and style does not make someone a man or a woman, it just makes them feminine or masculine.
I completely agree.
None of it makes sense.
This is how the Roman’s fell.
I’m starting to believe this is being done on purpose to further divide us.
When we die, our bones will be the only thing they go by. So how would one know the "gender" of the deceased??🤔
You can tell gender by the hip structure. Men and women have 2 different bone structures where as women have a wider hip displacement for giving birth. But that's just science.
Men and women have different skeletons. Mainly, wider hips to facilitate giving birth.
The people that replied earlier than me, really dont understand wtf you just said. lol
Though, they are right in the video. Gender doesnt really mean what you were born as? Its a social construct that blah blah blah. Its just that... Sex is the correct word to use, but people dont like using it. It is akin to Cunt in cuss words. Its dirty. I believe the victorian era plays a huge part in this, because sex is generally looked at as dirty, perverse, unspeakable stuff. So even the shear mention of the world "sex" is just... icky and gross. So people use Gender to mean Sex. Changing this is going to be like Neo learning that hes a Battery when hes 20 and not 5. The brain cant really handle that change.
Of course, people do the same thing for Talent and Skill. Talent being something you are innately born with and Skill being something you studied and practiced to learn. THough, over the decades those words have shifted to mean the exact same thing. This just happens to be the most modern push to separate Gender from Sex and its got a leg to stand on because of the other pushes that the LGBT Community (Reads: Activist) have been trying for.
One skeleton will lie still, unmoving. The other one will sit up and start complaining about gender.
@@wilurbeanI’m 💀 I can’t with this comment 😂😂
For most of the world, gender is the same as sex. Many languages don't even distinguish these two.
It's a set of physical and psychological components used to define and identify the role.
The truth is that people should be themselves. It means being woman, man, tomboy, crossdreser etc. And be accomplished and safe in that role. American society is fixated on sexuality, in really weird ways. So many taboos, strange prudity but everything is overly sexualized.
American culture, has problem with acceptance, that is trying to fix by redefining words making it into even worse problem and spreading it to the world in popculture. There's no need to question the gender, there's need to accept people differences and uniqueness.
It is far deeper than gender. Sex is the physical form you are born with. Gender is the adopted societal things that have varied throughout history and culture. Like Cam said in the video, clothing and how you are perceived and taken. Girls generally having long hair and men having shorter hair is a gender role. These things change. At one point pink was masculine but now it is seen as feminine
@@TwoScoopsXD repetition mean you think I'm dumb. Why then even post anything? And you totally missed what I was talking about.
@@Anarchiusz sorry. I meant to leave this on a comment that was below this
"From the vault" even though the issue has been around for more than 5 years.
#1 - gender is very much associated with biological sex. There are plenty of traits that you can see in every culture that are definitely masculine or feminine, even if the cultural expressions of gender roles are different. Women do tend to be more maternal, and men do tend to respond better to physical danger & hardship. Gender nonconformity exists, but is rarely if ever the rule. So gender does not exist in a vacuum separate from biology.
#2 - The social experiences of men & women are different. Trans men/women transition so that they can be seen as the gender they identify with. Gender involves social experiences that are just as important as one's personal identity.
#3 - So gender is tied to biological sex, personal identity and social experience. It does not exist in a vacuum as personal identity alone. Gender nonconformity should be accepted, but don't expect everyone around you to automatically accept you as being a gender you deem for yourself that has not been understood by society. I can see us officially recognizing a 3rd nonbinary gender category, but that will take effort to change society's view of gender. Society is starting to accept gender nonconformity, though, so that is encouraging.
Society has long accepted gender non conformity. Tomboys aren't new. Also only a male can be a transwoman and only a female a transman.
Like you said, society treats males and females differently and trans don't escape this. They have the same social construct. A boy who wears dresses gets treated like a boy who wears dresses not like a girl. A girl who plays with trucks and plays football get treated like a girl who like trucks and plays football, not like a boy who does those things. All females have a similar social construct to each other, as do all males. The only difference between trans and the rest of us is thinking gender is stereotypes. A male can't actually know what a woman feels they can only guess based on their stereotypes. Gender is a binary.
@@mjones8170 Some societies have a 3rd gender category, which is a social construct, not based on biological sex. That's not the case with our society. You're right that the gender binary is the rule. Only trans individuals that transition can really have the experiences of the opposite sex. I'm glad we agree that a gender nonconforming individual is still constrained by the experiences of the gender binary. Most of the self identified nonbinary individuals don't get it that they are still constrained by this gender binary.
We believe in Cameron Baba supremacy in this household. Glad you're back, Cam.
Feedback on your cis-guy friend that likes wearing women clothing, that's actually quite normal. Some guys enjoy being their masculine self but there's something with wearing the opposite gender's clothing that makes them feel special/attractive/nice about it. It doesn't have to be a sexual thing, it just feels nice.
I don't think it's morally wrong to wear clothing of the opposite gender, but it isn't normal. What's normal is man dressing like men and women dressing like women.
Also, there is no such thing as "cis."
@@matthewatwood8641 nah man, what isn't normal is caring what other people wear or not wear, and then being upset about it. Let people wear anything regardless of gender.
@@farasapt6579 I think people should be able to wear what they want to, but that doesn't make dressing like the opposite sex normal. Normal is what's typical. People typically dress according to their sex. It is absolutely normal for people to be concerned what others are wearing. I think that getting upset about it betrays a lack of maturity, & think most people would not.
@@farasapt6579I'd say caring about what other people wear is quite normal. We do it everyday with every new impression of any person we meet. Especially if they're eccentrically dressed. The deviancy of one's attire respective to their sex is not illegal. It's not morally indecent. From an outside perspective, it's a question on whether that person's health. Are they virtuously wearing that attire for any other means besides some whim on an aesthetic they're unsure of? (Narcissism would be a half-decent answer) Or are they dressing compulsively because they're insecure in themselves? It's normal to judge people, especially if they're our friends or someone we care about.
no its a sexual thing. always.
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That’s a new term, “Gender abolitionist.” Is that Thea of removing the focus and overall idea of gender in our society and culture and progress to one that focuses on sex (not the act) instead?
You are bonkers... not your socialist construct... that's my lived experience... respect to you sir/madam..
It's called transvestism. No big whoop.
What is a woman?
Male clothing is pretty plain. So a girl wearing something made for a guy doesn't really stand out, it just looks loose fitting. It's modest, even. Female clothing is usually highly specific to a feminine physique. Highlighting physical aspects that are appealing, so a male wearing that is jarring.
Your knowledge about fashion is very limited....
@@CordeliaWagner1999 Enlighten me. If you're going to try to disagree with someone, actually say something as a counter point.
You think too much.
Reality is very simple.
Gender is personality...... Stop making it complicated.
Do you really have 12 fingers like in your thumb nail?
LMAOOO i used AI to zoom out on a still from the video, and in classic AI fashion it messed up the hands. well spotted omg
@@CameronBaba Cam using AI art
I was literally just thinking to myself the other day how women are never referred to as crossdressers. If they dress like boys, at most they get called tomboys. And while there are certainly girls out there who have mothers that would/will force them to dress more feminine, society as a whole generally has no issues with girls or women dressing like boys, but the second it's the other way around it's wrong. People should be able to dress how they want.
They should... But we're humans, and animals mostly. Doing what we want is limited to the place where what we do affect other people.. So we can do what we want but it has consequences that we don't want to face.
I agree for the most part, though there will always be different expectations between the sexes. There are things that women can do that men cant and that men can do and women cant. I mean, if a man hits a woman, most anyone will intervene. But when a woman is hitting a man, people will stay out of it. If a woman is crying, most will want to help. If a man is crying, not many will step in, and many, men and women, may mock him for this. Its normal to see a man doing the physical labor while a woman is sitting nearby. But if you say a wife doing the hard work while the man didnt join in, youd likely want the man to do something. Most women expect men to pay for dates.
There are a lot of differences between us and some we simply cannot change. Men will always be expected to be stronger than women and that isnt a bad thing. Everyone should be strong in any way they can be. But men are expected have more